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meppl gute nacht 01:09
azuroth is killing IRC 09:57
it's been good talking to you guys, see you in a few months :-) 09:58
tomyan audrey|ingy: trying to grok how Module::Compile works... 12:47
came accross what I thought was a bug with the contents of HEREDOCS being replaced with a digest, but from the tests this looks like expected behaviour
ping audre 12:48
Limbic_Region use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/29666 # Complaint from Ovid that running make test takes 4 1/2 hours 13:01
cognominal I thought that audreyt has fixed that recently? 13:09
Limbic_Region well, it certainly is way faster 13:10
but I haven't ran nmake test in months
but I am just the messenger - Ovid apparently did this very recently and is still seeing a 4 1/2 hour time to complete 13:11
ingy hi tomyan 13:34
tomyan hi
ingy what's up?
tomyan think it was cos there was an error compiling so it didn't finish
ingy so is there a bug? 13:35
tomyan i see now that it translates the digest back to the contents of the heredoc
was having trouble seeing what the error was
made it go away by moving the use MyFilter; ... no MyFilter; earlier in the file
ingy ok 13:36
please report any bugs to rt.cpan.org 13:37
tomyan yeah, will have a poke at it later and see if i can make a failing test case
ingy tomyan: thanky 13:37
tomyan v cool mod btw
ingy yeah! 13:39
it needs a rewrite or two, but yeah
actually it just needs to be finished
basically more granular parsing of source code 13:40
^Nikos perl 6 is out? 15:21
PerlJam ^Nikos: a prototype called "pugs" is out.
The official perl6 compiler isn't done yet. 15:22
^Nikos i see
when will it be ready?
PerlJam when it's ready
^Nikos umm 2-3 month from now?
PerlJam ^Nikos: I believe there will be an alpha compiler release this year and a production release late next year or maybe the following year 15:23
^Nikos i see 15:24
will there perl ahs major changes?
PerlJam ^Nikos: um ... yes? 15:25
ingy ahs? 15:25
particle_ has
ingy aft hand side
audrey hand side
particle_ ^Nikos: see dev.perl.org/perl6/ for perl6 info 15:26
read the Synopses if you're interested in the differences/new features 15:27
cognominal ^Nikos, this will not be a mere major release 15:28
particle_ cog: sure, it's really 6.0.0.0.0 (community, major, minor, patch, bug/fix) 15:29
cognominal as a revolution, it will be way more than perl5 without the epicycles 15:30
ayrnieu hah! It can't possibly work without epicycles.
PerlJam All I know is that we need to release perl6 before TimToady gets too insane. ;-) 15:31
cognominal arynieu: I would like to avoid retrograd movement like version strings :) 15:32
particle_ perhaps grandfatherhood will slow the pace of his insanity...
PerlJam or speed it up
cognominal Timtoady is already insane, I fear the day he will become sane 15:33
particle_ pj: i guess you're the "brain half empty" type
PerlJam actually, I really only care that perl6 is released before *I* go too insane
ayrnieu insanity is just acceleration.
Limbic_Region particle_ - the law of conservation requires the degree to which TimToady's insanity is decreased by the arrival of the grandchild, the insanity shift in his child (grandchild's parent) will increase to the same degree
PerlJam particle_: my brain is always empty. I'm constantly looking for things to fill it with.
cognominal superior order appears like entropy or insanity to the illiterate 15:34
Limbic_Region in fact, you can't even break even - the insanity of the child will increase more than that by which TimToady's decreased
particle_ "a brain is a hole in your head into which you pour money."
ayrnieu or time, which is also money.
particle_ to paraphrase the old quote about boats, planes, cars. 15:35
PerlJam work & 15:36
pasteling "masak" at 130.238.83.176 pasted "Is the fifth test in t/builtins/lists/reverse.t correct? I don't see any stringification." (8 lines, 272B) at sial.org/pbot/17297 20:01
PerlJam masak: is() imposes a string context on its first two arguments. Perhaps that's leaking somewhere. 20:20
masak PerlJam: the way I understand it, that would be too late for "foo" to become "oof" 20:21
masak now, had the test said reverse(~("foo", "bar")), that would be another thing 20:24
as it stands right now, I don't get it 20:25
particle_ suggests using svn blame to track down how that test got there 20:28
PerlJam What does item() do exactly? 20:29
particle_ the doc (S29) isn't too clear: "Forces generic Item context on its argument, and returns it." 20:30
PerlJam right. I don't know what that means. 20:31
particle_ hrmm, i suppose that stringifies it
as opposed to list context
masak particle_: in any case, stringification after reversing the list will not produce "oof" from "foo" 20:36
particle_ nope, but reverse(item(... should do it
masak hmm
?eval reverse(item("foo", "bar")) 20:37
evalbot_10383 ("bar", "foo")
masak not currently, no
particle_ hrmm
masak OTOH, I don't know either what item does
question is: can we, with our limited knowledge, conclude that the test is wrong? 20:38
in that case, I can patch it
otherwise we'll have to wait for someone to come along who knows more
particle_ i believe, given it's definition in S29, item should take some number of args, and return them in item (iirc, scalar) context 20:39
seems the test is wrong
masak i'm tempted to write stringification like this: reverse(~("foo", "bar")
because i don't know much about item() 20:40
particle_ that seems like it'll work, and avoid a poorly documented op
masak yes
i suspect the test is faulty from copy/paste
buu foo is bar 20:46
masak there. comitted. 20:49
svnbot6 r10396 | masak++ | * patched what I believe was a faulty test in t/builtins/lists/reverse.t
r10396 | masak++ | anyone qualified is welcome to check up on this
masak the test now passes on my box
masak sleep & 21:05
ruoso arrrrggghh: seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/271...are22.html 21:10
FurnaceBoy heh, makes me glad I didn't buy Tm stock 21:18
although it will probably do well now
PerlJam Does Linux still work for transmeta? 21:22
If so, does that mean that he's made a deal with the devil?
particle_ this is a new chip. crusoe still runs linux and win 21:24
ruoso particle_, the problem is filling the market with this crap and throwing regular-PCs prices to the sky....
particle_ ruoso: that won't happen. 21:25
pc prices have *never* gone up.
particle_ pj: and efficieon is fully x86 software and os compatible, per their spec sheet. 21:26
ruoso the question is if the "protocol" to talk with the chip security will be open... 21:30
Bleadof Gotta love the marketing www.transmeta.com/images/antivirusn...irusnx.jpg 21:37
arcady I think microsoft's theory is to make PCs cheaper 21:55
so that people will be more able to afford windows
ruoso still think there is a large market for low-profile PCs, which could cost about R$ 700 22:02
or less
QtPlatypus eval: bool::true 23:28
buubot QtPlatypus: Return: bool::true
QtPlatypus eval: bool::true | bool::false
buubot QtPlatypus: Return: bool::vs}we
QtPlatypus blinks "I thourt that was no longer bitwise" 23:29
eval: any(bool::True,bool::False) 23:31
buubot QtPlatypus: Error: Undefined subroutine &main::any called at (eval 174) line 1.
QtPlatypus eval: bool::True 23:32
buubot QtPlatypus: Return: bool::True
QtPlatypus evalbot_10383: bool::True | bool::False 23:34
QtPlatypus Has junctions changed while my back was turned? 23:39

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