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unobe hi everyone 04:22
i finally got pugs built with readline 5.1 on os x, and it seems to run smoothly even in interactive mode 04:23
but during the build, I got two build errors, both the same but on different files: "Build failed: 2816 at util/build_pugs.pl line 96."
I searched the archives for #perl6 and noticed that this issue has been discussed before 04:24
the reason why I bring it up again is because has_ghc_package('readline') in Makefile.PL, or the subsequent test on the same line, wasn't properly discovering that I had readline support for ghc 04:25
I ended up just copying and pasting "$ghc_flags .= ' -DPUGS_HAVE_READLINE '; # -package readline';" so that it's in the corresponding else {} block of Makefile.PL 04:27
has anyone else tried building pugs with readline support recently, or is there something else that is faulty with having readline built-in that I don't know about? 04:28
scw Hurray~ SoC accepted! 07:24
rgs woot
svnbot6 r10410 | scw++ | Pugs::Compiler::Rule 09:42
r10410 | scw++ | * update compile_p6grammar.pl to work with :ratchet :sigspace
clkao scw: t/basic....Not a CODE reference at t/basic.t line 8. 09:54
clkao scw: btw, it's really fast now. can you see if we can compile the signature ruiles by aufrank? 10:07
(when you have time)
meppl gugu 11:47
svnbot6 r10411 | szabgab++ | test slurp in list context 12:22
cognominal svk-- # agacant ces numeros de revisions differents en local et en remote 12:24
oops
ETOOMANYOPENCHANNELS
szbalint Happened with me too yesterday. :) 12:25
svnbot6 r10412 | szabgab++ | more tests for mixed_multi_dimensional data structures 12:37
gabor529 good afternoon 12:49
how can I use getc on STDIN ? 12:50
theorbtwo In perl 6? 12:51
integral $*IN.getc? 12:54
(but what does getc get? a codepoint? multiple codepoints (eg. combining chars)?)
cognominal I have trouble to get used to these new names for global variables
integral cognominal: pronounce the * as STD? 12:55
cognominal good mnemonic indeed
gabor529 integral: thanks 13:11
integral np
gabor529 can I somehow trun off the automatic echoin on the screen while typing on command line? 13:13
s/command line/*IN/
like what one should do while accepting a password on STDIN 13:14
integral see perldoc -q password for perl5 13:15
that covers what to do with stty(1), just do the same :)
(or write Term::readKey for perl6 ;-)
particle_ ?eval say abs -3.3; 13:31
evalbot_10383 OUTPUT[3.3 ] Bool::True
particle_ i'm reading S29 and implementing builtins 13:32
it seems some math ops are implemented in Math::Basic, and / or Num
are they available in the root namespace as well? (imported by default or something?) 13:33
svnbot6 r10414 | fglock++ | Pugs::Compiler::Rule - CPAN version 0.04 13:58
clkao fglock: you know miniperl6 is failing tests with new pcr? 14:01
cognominal: what happened to svk?
cognominal nothing, I just happen to dislike message with remote revision numbers... 14:02
this is a minor grief :) 14:03
gabor529 is there a way to list all the available functions of P6 from within P6 ? 14:09
PerlJam There will be. I'm not sure if it's implemented anywhere though (or even specced fully) 14:11
fglock clkao: looking 14:14
Juerd gabor529: When the time comes that you're actually going to do this, it helps to have a clear definition of "function". 14:23
svnbot6 r10415 | fglock++ | compile_p6grammar.pl - added "use Pugs::Runtime::Match::Ratchet;" 14:25
fglock clkao: I think it should be using 'token' instead of 'rule' 14:29
svnbot6 r10416 | szabgab++ | Very simple shell 14:30
gabor529 Juerd: I would need that list for the shell toy I just committed in my other self 14:31
svnbot6 r10417 | fglock++ | compile_p6grammar.pl - changed switches to { s => 0, ratchet => 0 } in order 14:54
r10417 | fglock++ | to keep MiniPerl6.grammar running. The compilation of MiniPerl6.grammar
r10417 | fglock++ | needs further debugging.
clkao oh no! is it going to be slow like hell again 14:55
well it's actually still fast
fglock clkao: grammars are hard to debug :( 14:56
Kattana They are :( 14:57
Limbic_Region fglock - what are you trying to say? (freedom of speech)-- ? 14:59
fglock uh? :) 15:00
Limbic_Region constrained simple grammars are easier to debug so let's just not give anyone any freedom to make our lives easier
fglock no, it's just that it takes some time to get it right 15:01
Limbic_Region sorry, my humor probably is a bit off today - (working inside government bs)--
I didn't mean to imply that you were suggesting simplification
fglock so sometimes one have to make a temporary hack to keep things working until they are fixed for real 15:02
np
svnbot6 r10419 | szabgab++ | examples/shell.p6 - improved tab completition 15:15
gabor529 if eval "command" fails, where can I get the error message (what was $@ in P5) ? 15:27
scw clkao: since the :sigspace is default on now 15:39
clkao: I fixed compile_p6grammar.pl this afternoon and will fix MiniPerl6.grammar when I have time
particle_ notes that the Math::Trig section of S29 mentions a :$base adverb, which should probably read :base 17:00
does this syntax look funny? 17:01
our Num multi Num::func ( Num $x : :$base = 'radians' )
our Num multi Math::Trig::func ( Num $x, :$base = 'radians' )
fixed in S29. 17:05
svnbot6 r10420 | particle++ | [S29]: s/\$base/base/g in Math::Trig::func definitions
fglock scw: you can use 'token' instead of 'rule' - token doesn't default to :sigspace (token needs to be implemented in compile_p6grammar.pl) 17:28
svnbot6 r10421 | particle++ | [S29]: revert Math::Trig::func definitions 17:56
r10421 | particle++ | these were correct; my understanding of the syntax was incomplete.
r10421 | particle++ | :$base expands to :base<$base>
r10421 | particle++ | that's only good when your variable is actually named $base,
r10421 | particle++ | but it's a complaint for another synopsis
szbalint hey aufrank! 19:14
How did your SoC application go? :) 19:15
aufrank` no good for me 19:18
how bout you?
aufrank` wishes the full list were posted so he could congratulate the lucky ones
particle_ wonders if any list has been posted 19:19
szbalint I got accepted.
Not yet afaik.
Sorry to hear that aufrank :\
PerlJam szbalint: what did you apply to do?
szbalint Re(designing|writing) DBI in Perl 6. 19:20
aufrank szbalint: good luck with it :) 19:21
szbalint thanks!
aufrank where are you at school?
szbalint ELTE (Eotvos Lorand Tudomanyegyetem), Budapest 19:22
aufrank I may have seen a talk recently by someone from your institution, I think 19:24
szbalint (Eotvos Lorand University of Natural Sciences is the english name)
oh really? Nice :)
PerlJam szbalint++ that's a really good project to work on. 19:25
szbalint I agree. Also, Tim Bunce seems to be a really nice person to work with! 19:26
TPF only has 5 slots this year unfortunately so I bet a lot of good projects didn't get approved... 19:27
leo szbalint: looks like you got #5 slot ;)
particle_ wow, only 5? i guess soc got so popular, there look like many more sponsors this year
aufrank hopes fglock got approved 19:28
leo aufrank: doesn't seem so, sorry - but there are no official new yet 19:29
news even
szbalint leo: really? :) 19:30
aufrank szbalint: yeah, turns out he was from there. Mate Langyel. He's at the gatsby computational neuroscience unit at University College London now. 19:31
he did your institution proud-- it was a good talk :)
szbalint cool :)
leo I presume aufrank got a google mail and szbalint didn't
szbalint I did get a congratulations mail, but unfortunately there was an error at Google 19:32
they sent out 1800 "you're accepted" emails
integral google-- # webapps aren't their speciality ...
szbalint and had to retract some of them later.
well, most of them.
aufrank I got an "thanks but no thanks" email from google, yeah 19:33
szbalint So the only way to know for sure is to check the site.
fglock aufrank: I got that one too
leo nope - they didn't update organization sites yet :-(
integral anyone know who got the other tpf slots? I've spotted two others (and am doing POE myself) 19:34
leo fglock was #7, aufrank #8 in last ranking I can see
aufrank integral++ #congrats!
so szbalint is doing DBI in P6, and integral is doing POE 19:35
who's the third you've spotted integral?
integral goes to look up his logs
someone called "comet". saw them over on slashnet, but didn't get what they were doing 19:36
leo I don't hink that POE is in the accepted part of the list 19:37
szbalint yeah well I told you I'm not from the .uk integral :)
integral oh!
leo: o_O
szbalint so you counted me twice :P
leo # this is all not official yet - ignore me - just romors 19:38
aufrank leo is tell tales out of school!
s/tell/telling/
leo (or anyone): any chance we'll get to see the comments that TPF people made on our applications? 19:40
it'd be nice to see the criticism 19:41
PerlJam "Dude...this proposal *sucks*!" :-) 19:42
leo I don't know how anything about TPF policy WRT comments
aufrank well, the constructive kind, anyway ;)
szbalint sorry integral for causing confusion but I just like to keep these two sides separate :)
integral np, I haven't plenty of nicks too ;-) 19:43
integral just got someone called "OldeFortran" over on slashnet saying they're TPF SoC accepted 19:45
aufrank fortran on parrot? ;) 19:49
integral the MAD round tripping task they say 19:50
aufrank well tell 'em to get in here ;)
szbalint :P
szabgab szbalint: congrat for the Soc! 19:56
szbalint thanks :)
aufrank man, I assumed that was another one of your nicks, szbalint 19:57
you're blowing my mind here
unless you're just congratulating yourself on behalf of an alter ego
szbalint lol
aufrank in which case, get a room ;)
szbalint aufrank: haha! payback for audreyt - aufrank :)
aufrank :P 19:58
szbalint For the record I don't have many nicks. :) 19:59
szabgab aufrank: no, it is not szbalint
but we use the same hungarian notation
aufrank he does study in Budapest, I guess 20:00
leo hi Gabor btw ;) 20:01
szabgab hi leo
leo how goes?
szabgab lots of work, no time for HPW organization nor even to go to YAPCs, what about you ? 20:02
leo no HPW this year?
szabgab I won't help in it for sure, Andras might do something but I think he is full of work too 20:03
szabgab szbalint: will you organize it ? 20:03
leo I'm fine (again) - after some teeth troubles
ingy ho-la 20:04
szbalint szabgab: well, I think there is interest to do so on the mailinglist, so I could certainly do something with András
szabgab BTW can I somehow create a scope (for variables) that remains intact between two eval calls ? 20:05
aufrank hey ingy
szabgab so eval "my $x = 42"; eval "say $x" will work ?
aufrank you back stateside yet?
szabgab szbalint: yeah, some people started to talk about it, I won't have time to do anything this year 20:06
ingy hi aufrank
szbalint szabgab: I think András was full time working before too. I'll help out :) 20:07
fglock szabgab: { my $x; eval "\$x = 42"; eval "say \$x" } 20:12
szabgab fglock: yes, but I am trying to write a shell, so I don't know the variable names upfront 20:13
examples/shell.p6 can now accept commands and execute but it will forget my variables :-( not a good approach 20:15
fglock you should somehow be able to do this using continuations 20:16
szabgab fglock: ah, now I might have a reason to learn them, good, thanks 20:17
fglock you can call your prompt from inside the eval - so that the next eval will be in scope: eval "\$x = 42;" ~ " user_prompt();" 20:18
so the next eval will be executed from "inside" the previous one 20:19
szabgab that would mean to open up man many evals, rioght ? 20:20
... many, many evals, right ? 20:21
fglock yes
szabgab I can try that, though I don't really like the solution 20:22
ludan hi 20:22
aufrank hello 20:25
fglock szabgab: I've got a working version in P5 :) 20:33
pasteling "fglock" at 200.17.89.80 pasted "perl shell" (5 lines, 123B) at sial.org/pbot/17328 20:34
"fglock" at 200.17.89.80 pasted "perl shell - simplified" (3 lines, 91B) at sial.org/pbot/17329 20:36
ruoso fglock, doesn't this create a stack for the return value of the outer-most eval? 20:38
Limbic_Region anyone know how well recent Parrot compiles on Win32 using mingw?
particle_ l_r, i believe it compiles fine. 20:39
Limbic_Region got a shiny new machine today and is once again able to build Pugs at work
cool - if things go well, I can even link against Parrot then
particle_ l_r: there were some mingw patches for win a little while ago
so somebody's watching that space
Limbic_Region cool beaners - moldy chicken 20:40
Limbic_Region is up to 2.8ghz and 512mb of memory
particle_ runs off for some errands &
aufrank fancy, Limbic_Region
fglock ruoso: yes, but it is necessary to keep 'my' working between evals 20:41
szabgab fglock: nice, now let me try to somehow put it in my code 20:42
ruoso fglock++ 20:43
heh... 20:44
ruoso just run in the shell: my $a = 1; my $b = 2; oops, the shell is out...
szabgab my $b = '; print ">> "; my $s = =$*IN; eval $s ~ $b; '; eval $b; 20:45
this seem to be working in pugs
aufrank neat :) 20:48
fglock ruoso: there seems to be a problem specific to '$b' in Perl 5
ruoso heh 20:49
fglock print $@ shows 'Can't use string ("1") as a symbol ref while "strict refs" in use' - but this only happens with '$b'
ruoso fglock, duh... you do eval '$b'... but $b now is "1" and no more "print ">>"; ..." 20:50
fglock oh, it's because $b is the main program :)
heh
ruoso heh
fglock++
heh
szabgab great, I could add it to examples/shell.p6 as well, need to clean it up a bit 20:54
fglock szabgab: cool 20:55
svnbot6 r10422 | szabgab++ | examples/shell.p6 - recoursive eval to keep variable scope fglock++ 21:04
notThis Has anyone looked at converting Java interface definitions into (roughly) corresponding Perl6? 21:41
aufrank I don't know Java 21:44
but when it comes up it's generally in the form of "Roles could be used like Java interfaces, and other ways too"

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