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merlyn v6 on the cpan depends on Sub::Multi, which isn't on the CPAN. ? 03:57
audreyt @seen clkao 03:59
lambdabot clkao is in #perl6. I last heard clkao speak 1 day, 3 hours, 26 minutes and 22 seconds ago.
audreyt merlyn: it has an underscore 04:01
merlyn oh, well that's no good.
can't install from the CPAN if it's not normal
audreyt I'll release.
merlyn the index from Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:29:12 GMT doesn't contain Sub::Multi
Termy me voy... buenas :) 04:02
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clkao hi 04:02
audreyt clkao: hey!
clkao zz
audreyt clkao: release 0.002?
clkao sure 04:03
audreyt ok. I bumped version for you
svnbot6 r11558 | audreyt++ | * Sub::Multi - version bump to 0.002 04:04
r11559 | Darren_Duncan++ | perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6/ : in both v6.pm and README, restored the 'invalid header' example from v6-alpha to v6, so it is actually invalid
r11560 | audreyt++ | * perl version dep: 5.8.x 04:07
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clkao audreyt: meanwhile, get yourself comaintainership. i need some sleep 04:09
audreyt okay. 04:10
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dduncan about that last commit, why 5.8.0 exactly ... considering that it is close and makes the largest number of fixes or improvements, how about 5.8.1 instead? 04:12
then we know we're getting Unicode 4 for one thing
audreyt uhm, for Sub::Multi doesn't matter
sorry, it's just for Sub::Multi not pug 04:13
pugs
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dduncan still, I question why anything would list 5.8.0 as a minimum dependency ... if you're going above 5.6.x, I would start with 5.8.1 04:14
but whatever
audreyt I understand this sentiment 04:16
as 5.8.0, like 5.6.0, is very unstable
clkao the force_todo_junction in test.pm can be undefined. wouldn't that generate a warning? or was it intentional and i missed something? 04:18
audreyt it might generate a warning 04:19
but pugs's warning system is a bit borken
it was intentional
clkao well, in v6 it does generate a warning
should that default to an empty string then?
audreyt yes.
it was a junction
pmichaud discussed with me and we made junction a nonmandatory req for Test.pm 04:20
so it was lost in refactoring
so empty string is fine
clkao *nod*
how's jifty/moose?
audreyt obra shows it passes most of HM tests 04:21
some type constraint errors remain
though he's not here so we havn't synced what remains
meanwhile, doing ::Action::Param design now 04:22
also Jifty's autovivification and structural constraints and Class::Accessor compat
makes interesting Moose features
clkao mmmm
audreyt so also going to exercise my Moose commit bit
clkao would you like to do that for svk as well? ;)
audreyt I've long wanted structural constraints
for perl6
dduncan quick question that's a tangent to my last p6l post ... 04:23
audreyt and Moose would be a good place to experiment with them
dduncan does := work anywhere, such as on attributes or array elements?
eg $!foo := $!bar
or @foo[0] := @bar[0]
audreyt yes and yes. 04:24
dduncan excellent
probably the main places I would use it right now
audreyt though for compat arrays
maybe it'd be forbidden
dduncan I'm just thinking of normal arrays, such as declared with @foo or []
audreyt my int @x; @x[0] := ...
is probably insane
but normal arrays, sure.
dduncan eg, for easiest perl 5 implementation, the Set::Relation type will use an array internally to hold its elements 04:25
if I derive one from another like with a UNION, I would want any elements in common to just be stored once
hence assignement to array elements 04:26
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dduncan on a related note, if I wonder if I can get that using @foo.push(), or whether I have to subscript only 04:26
still, a minor matter for now 04:27
audreyt .push takes rvalue 04:29
so it can't do implicit alias
clkao 499 tests pass tonight 04:47
merlyn 499 tests pass in the night... 04:49
audreyt clkao: have you written ingo about uploading? 04:51
clkao: also can you post a smoke.html somewhere (say on feather)?
clkao yes, it's on hiveminder
audreyt url? 04:52
clkao and it's going to feather/~clkao/
in pugs group
audreyt okie
clkao nedd to slzzp 04:53
currently only data_type/subtype causes infinite loop. it's about parsing "sub only_accepts_odds(Num::Odd $odd) { $odd + 1 }" 04:55
i tried to add signature_term to accept : and then perl segfauled
:/
so we now parse about 12% of the tests, and pass 5%
mugwump hmm, can objects have a custom way of generating .id ? 04:58
audreyt yes,
method id
I think it should really be called object_id somehow
mugwump say two objects are the same .id, then they =:=, right?
audreyt ruby people learned that lesson painfully
no, they would be ===
mugwump heh
audreyt =:= is something else altogether
$x =:= $y means variable($x) === variable($y) 04:59
merlyn the flying colon!
colon biplane
mugwump hmm, I want the effect of setting the object ID to be that if somebody creates a new object and after BUILD it determines that the object ID is the same as an existing object, to return the existing one 05:00
BUILDALL even
ie, a custom rule that $x === $y implies $x =:= $y 05:01
audreyt ok.
mugwump the application is, say, an object encapsulating a stream of bytes. we make the object id the sha1 sum of the contents, and if somebody creates a new object with the same contents, it's the same object 05:02
audreyt I understand. 05:03
simply have "method id" overridden will do that. 05:04
hm. help wanted 05:05
search.cpan.org/dist/v6-alpha/HACKING looks bad
lambdabot Title: The CPAN Search Site - search.cpan.org
audreyt because search.cpan.org/src/FGLOCK/v6-alpha...09/HACKING is not POD
is someone up to reformat HACKING into proper POD?
README too, if possible 05:06
oh, nvm README
just perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6/HACKING
mugwump you have to be careful in the Makefile.PL not to deliver extra .pod files like that :)
I do that with some of my modules, I have a Changes.pod
audreyt *wave* & 05:15
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dduncan mugwump, regarding: mugwump: the application is, say, an object encapsulating a stream of bytes. we make the object id the sha1 sum of the contents, and if somebody creates a new object with the same contents, it's the same object ... 05:38
is it possible for several streams to result in the same sha1 sum?
if so, then the returned object would be different than what was input 05:39
mugwump generally the assumption is that never happens
esp. in this case the sha1 sum hashes the length, too 05:40
swaroop audreyt, I've created a pod-ified version of HACKING, where do I submit the patch ? 05:41
dduncan in any event, what you described at BUILD time could more or less satisfy what I was wanting in my p6l post, or perhaps satisfy it better than that ... because duplicate objects are never created in the first place, never mind possibly eliminated if compared
mugwump swaroop: in the pugs tree
17:06 < audreyt> just perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6/HACKING 05:42
swaroop mugwump, yes, but should I ask someone to commit the patch for me or can I do it myself (it's not been reviewed...)
dduncan I thought of suggesting something like this myself, but I didn't know if it was normal for there to be a central index of all objects of a class
in the meta-something-er-other
mugwump swaroop: just commit, do you need a committer invitation?
swaroop mugwump, yes
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swaroop mugwump, ? 05:45
mugwump sorry, I was just checking rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/?Queue=270. You'll need a project admin to send you the invitation 05:46
lambdabot Title: Pugs -- OSSF
mugwump there are a lot of admins :) 05:47
swaroop mugwump, ok :), but whom do I ask ?
mugwump Well normally asking here is the right place. However this is a bad time of day for interactive questions. Unless someone with an admin bit steps forward, then perhaps send a request to the perl6-compiler list. If you're in a hurry drop it in a nopaste somewhere and I'll commit it for you. 05:48
swaroop mugwump, ok sure 05:49
mugwump, thx :)
dduncan curiously, that admin list seems to include me
mugwump well perhaps you'd like to take swaroop aside and run through the initiation rites with him then, dduncan ? 05:50
dduncan but given mugwump's involvement, I'm surprised it doesn't involve him
mugwump mehs
dduncan I will have to learn how to do that though
never actually used admin privs before 05:51
I'll figure out how to login first, and then see if sending an invite is obvious 05:52
svnbot6 r11561 | snowstalker++ | Pod-ified according to Audrey's request (
r11561 | snowstalker++ | colabti.de/irclogger/irclogger_log/...el=72#l135 )
lambdabot Title: #perl6 2006-07-16,Sun
mugwump login password should be same as svn
swaroop I recollected that I had a previous login as a diff id, so committed :)
If you guys could send me another committer bit, i'd like to use the same user id across parrot and pugs :) 05:53
mugwump ok, dduncan : login, there is a "Project Admin" menu on the left. Go to "Members", then there is a form
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dduncan okay, I've finally logged in ... 05:59
okay, swaroop, what is your email address? 06:02
also, mugwump, check your email 06:05
I've tried to upgrade you to an admin
see if you get an email saying that
swaroop, I will need your email address in order to send you a committer invitation 06:06
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dduncan mugwump, if you find out swaroop's email address before I do, you can now add him yourself, afaik 06:11
oh wait ...
mugwump swaroop: what is your parrot account that you want activated? 06:12
thanks dduncan
dduncan so snowstalker is swaroop's committer id?
I didn't backlog for some reason, so I guess he's in already
I'm in the same situation though, different committer id from chat id 06:13
that's legacy for you
mugwump yeah. I guess there's no way to rename an account. 06:15
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dduncan I wish there was ... would have done it a year ago then 06:15
oh, fyi ... I don't know if I've told you or just others, but in light of the availability of v6.pm, I do not intend to further develop my newest CPAN modules in Perl 5 code, but only the Perl 6 versions, because they should integrate into Perl 5 reasonably well any time now 06:18
mugwump great to hear. 06:19
dduncan and other perl 5 code should be able to use it / be used by it
its what I really want to do
and it gives more impetus to test Moose et al in action
indirectly
fyi, the moment v6.pm is able to fully run any of my perl 6 modules, they will go on CPAN independently like a normal perl 5 distro 06:20
and to assist that I will be keeping my language footprint requirements reasonably small 06:21
anyway, back to work ...
swaroop dduncan, sorry just came back, my address is [email@hidden.address]
dduncan thank you, but did you just say before that you already had a different committer id? 06:22
eg, are you snowstalker?
swaroop dduncan, yes, but I want to change the user id to just 'swaroop'
dduncan, yes
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dduncan you know, it occurs to me that I could likewise change my id from Darren_Duncan to dduncan by just making another account ... if they accept the same email address for 2 of them 06:23
I resisted that thought a year ago, but maybe now it'll be different
meanwhile, sure, will try it for you 06:24
swaroop dduncan, thx :)
dduncan check your email 06:25
swaroop dduncan, got it 06:26
dduncan now, I don't know if it'll work for me exactly, since I want to use the same email for both ... on the other hand, I've already discovered that they handle the emails case sensitively, while the domain system doesn't, so I'll try a different case if I need to ...
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dduncan okay, so it is case-insensitive in some cases 06:29
I'll leave it alone for now 06:30
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nothingmuch morning 07:03
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pmurias nothingmuch: morning 08:15
nothingmuch pmurias: morning 08:17
busy-ish
but i will still respond
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pmurias clkao: if i wanted to write an new emitter for pX, what would be the (best) way to do it? 08:36
(i'm thinking of writing an AST emitter) 08:37
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nothingmuch pmurias: what AST? 08:58
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gaal hello there 10:03
edwardk heya 10:04
gaal here's some advance notice :)
perlmonks.org/?node_id=561539
lambdabot Title: OSDC::Israel - Call for Participation
gaal February, and everyone's invited :)
edwardk its a bit of a swim =)
nothingmuch would *love* to see some haskell at OSDC 10:05
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gaal nothingmuch: word. 10:05
nothingmuch yo homie rezpect
gaal goes off for lunch. 10:06
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pmurias nothingmuch: the new shiny p6notes.hs and notes/p6ast_draft AST 10:45
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nothingmuch pmurias++ 10:46
but arguably that is more of an execution oriented AST 10:47
i would also like to see v6 refactored in such a way that an AST that has high source fidelity but is very much not a parse tree is the first stage
pmurias nothingmuch: what are the pros and cons of Jifty and Catalyst? 10:50
nothingmuch Jifty is a full stack
it requires you to bend to it a bit
but gives you much more as a result
catalyst is more of a toolkit type mix and match approach
use what works for you
but has lower expressiveness as a result
you can think of ruby on rails as a tricycle (can't remove training wheels) 10:51
and of jifty as an uber cool mountain bike
and of catalyst as a DIY kit
pmurias dosn't like mountain bikes were much 10:53
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wolverian I definitely like catalyst. haven't touched jifty yet, scared of the docs (or lack of) and mason :) 10:55
but, yes, catalyst is very diy.
pmurias s/were/very/ 10:56
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nothingmuch wolverian: mason is not a "strong" dep anymore 11:00
but this needs a little more work
that said
i've seen a lot of jifty during YAPC and obrathon
and I was *really* impressed
but you need lots of freedom to be able to decide to use Jifty
pmurias why? 11:01
eq. convincing your boss or does it forces you to do some things a specific way? 11:07
i suppose the latter 11:14
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svnbot6 r11562 | nothingmuch++ | update stub template 11:24
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svnbot6 r11563 | nothingmuch++ | update other stubs as well 11:27
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scw S05.pod line 637: 12:06
/ <after pattern> / # was /(?<pattern)/
should be /(?<=pattern)/
(asked perlre to ensure that I didn't forget the syntax :p) 12:07
gaal nothingmuch: moose 12:09
are you not jetlagged?
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pmurias scw: you are right 14:03
(?<pattern) is invalid 14:04
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svnbot6 r11564 | audreyt++ | * bump Parrot requirement to 0.4.6 (not yet released), 16:35
r11564 | audreyt++ | for vsoni++'s recent work on making imcc reentrant.
r11564 | audreyt++ | This is needed because parrot currently lacks a sane way to
r11564 | audreyt++ | distinguish 0.4.5 from 0.4.5-devel in C-preprocessor land.
r11565 | iblech++ | * Improved the error messages of the smokeserver. 16:38
r11565 | iblech++ | * Diagnosed the cause for the rejection of the v6.pm-smoke (xrl.us/o5jt):
r11565 | iblech++ | "Not all of the required fields (pugs_version osname) exist."
lambdabot Title: Metamark
clkao iblech++ 16:40
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svnbot6 r11566 | audreyt++ | * now that PARROT_REVISION support svk checkout (r13320 by 17:05
r11566 | audreyt++ | yours truly), we can go back to support Parrot 0.4.5
r11566 | audreyt++ | more reasonably with #define magick.
r11567 | audreyt++ | * Excise PIL-Run from Pugs -C/-B's list of helper directories
r11567 | audreyt++ | now we've switched fully to v6-alpha.
xerox quotes audrey's blog "iblech++'s multi-month PIL2JS journey on getting a few more tests passing each day" 17:09
Man, this iblech!
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nothingmuch ingy: ping! 17:34
clkao moose 17:36
xerox moo
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svnbot6 r11568 | nothingmuch++ | Mailing list summary for 2006-03 by kudra++ 17:47
r11569 | clkao++ | Simple emit for %hash{}, passes statements/array_values_in_bool_context.t 17:52
r11570 | clkao++ | force_todo_test_junction is actually a string, not junction.
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clkao eval in perl5 sets $@ to empty string. but test.pm seems to be expecting $! to be undefined when eval works 18:14
merlyn in the old days, $! was never unset, only set
vsoni hi audreyt
merlyn I don't know when someone broke that, but it's broken now 18:15
oh wait. it apparently still works right
eval shouldn't affect $! at all though, unless things inside the eval do syscall-related things 18:16
clkao i was saying perl6 test.pm ;) 18:25
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svnbot6 r11571 | clkao++ | kill warnings about redefining my $i. 18:40
r11572 | clkao++ | When testing defined-ness of $!, it is testing the emptiness of $@ in perl5.
r11573 | nothingmuch++ | fix pod links 18:43
r11574 | nothingmuch++ | hack dumb links so that there aren't escaping issues 18:52
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clkao ?eval my $g; for (0 .. 5) sub { $g = $g ~ $_; }; $g 19:22
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evalbot_11574 \"012345" 19:22
clkao ?eval if(1) sub { 1 }
evalbot_11574 Error: unexpected "s" expecting comment, operator or block
clkao so for can take a sub? 19:23
merlyn how come Module::Compile doesn't do the right thing when there's no .pmc file? 19:36
is that impossible?
shouldn't it just act like a source filter then, compiling each time?
or am I missing sometihng?
if the .pm file and the .pmc file act *differently*, that's clearly not the intent of what .pmc was meant to do 19:37
diotalevi So you found a bug.
merlyn I don't konw.
it's not a bug if it's working as designed. I'm just trying to figure out if this is the design
in which case, I'd argue with the design. :) 19:38
diotalevi You're correct that they're supposed to act the same.
When it doesn't, it's a bug. 19:39
obra &
diotalevi Unless the intent changed in the last month. 19:40
merlyn well, I'm not convinced Module::Compile intends to fulfill my assertion about .pm and .pmc
not from a reading of the code
it looks instead as if ".pm is the source for .pmc" is more of the intention
and that the .pm is only accidentally in the @INC for convenience 19:41
but was never meant to be loaded
diotalevi No....
Maybe for the M'C using thing you're looking at but not M'C in general.
merlyn OK. I create Spew.pm, which uses Module::Compile -base. I write Mission.pm, which says "use Spew".
if I say "perl -MMission", it should act the same whether I've said "perl -c Mission.pm" or not 19:42
diotalevi yeah.
merlyn but apparently, perl -c Mission.pm compiles a Mission.pmc, that has an entire different behavior than the original .pm
that's what I'm saying is broken
diotalevi d'oh.
merlyn I should be able to "use Mission" that works the same whether the .pmc is there or not 19:43
although a lot slower if the pmc doesn't exist
since it'll have to go through the source filtering
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diotalevi yeah. typing 1 handed. vry slow. :-/ chips in other. 19:43
merlyn so am I misunderstanding Module::Compile, or .pmc, or my own observation (and reading of code)? 19:44
in other words, I view .pm => .pmc as "unoptimized => optimized", not "source => object" 19:45
diotalevi Well I suppose you don't write a .pmc when you load a .pmc.
merlyn apparently, Module::Compile currently views .pm => .pmc as "source => object" 19:46
pmurias merlyn: if there isn't a .pmc doesn't it create one automaticly, so the behaviour is the same
diotalevi that's a designed in difference.
merlyn "create one automatically"?
this is not my observation
and what if it can't write it?
what if I just install .pm in my tree as root, and you come along as a user 19:47
it should still work
albeit more slowly. :)
pmurias it should
merlyn as in, it currently does, except for my demonstrated bug, or as in it ideally should? 19:48
diotalevi If you load a .pm then a .pmc should be written if possible and the filtered version should be loaded regardless. If you load a .pmc then you just get the filtered version.
merlyn diotalevi - OK, then I'm seeing a bug
diotalevi btw merlyn, I've noticed that you can't use left shift anywhere in your module.
there's a currently failing test against that. 19:49
merlyn yeah, that silly precdence of operators.
or rather, operators with two meanings
diotalevi yeah. the one module i wanted to use M::C for had a few left shifts in it. They're not really optional either.
Bummer for me.
Well... I guess not 100% required. I mean I could go emulate left shift. That'd suck though. 19:50
merlyn ick
diotalevi /power-of-two. 19:51
merlyn heh
diotalevi er, *power-of-two.
wrong direction.
merlyn eval 'sub left_shift { shift <' . '< shift }'
left_shift(10, 4) 19:52
diotalevi the hell?
merlyn what?
diotalevi your shifts even have undefined order of operation.
in perl5 anyway.
merlyn it still works. :)
diotalevi yeah, yeah, whatever.
merlyn heh
anyway, so I'll report this bug in Module::Compile, and hope that it doesn't stop me from writing an article 19:53
Ahh - there's the problem. I need to return text from pmc_compile. Not just return. :) 19:58
return has to be not just an integer 20:00
diotalevi I gather you can name &pmc_compile as &FILTER...
merlyn otherwise the original text is used. OK
not a completely intuitive interface, but I now see why I thought it wasn't working
now I just have to wire the rest of Spew into it 20:01
diotalevi also, I email Ingy about the left shift thing. Right now parsing is a simple regexp. I suggested PPI and apparently there was some discussion between him and adamk about it and decided not to use PPI. 20:02
stevan merlyn: FYI - I added "no Moose" support into the most recent version 20:06
still can't do Moose::has yet, but that shouldnt be too hard
diotalevi stevan: can I tell do dependant destruction in moose yet? 20:09
wait, bad time to ask the question.
gotta go.
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stevan diotalevi: I am not sure what you mean by dependent destruction 20:21
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merlyn Yup. definitely getting different behavior if the pmc isn't there 20:27
Now i just have to figure out how to describe the problem to submit a bug report
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merlyn I guess this is not ready for prime time. I'll have to find a different topic now 20:28
darn it. wanted to promote perl6 stuff more. :( 20:29
kudra thinks it is bedtime. 20:31
Goodbye
merlyn files an rt bug 20:39
... rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=20494
lambdabot Title: #20494: newly-created .pmc file is not loaded/executed when built
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clkao seen nothingmuch 22:25
jabbot clkao: nothingmuch was seen 4 hours 51 minutes 15 seconds ago
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nothingmuch clkao: ? 22:36
clkao nothingmuch: where's your music 22:39
nothingmuch clkao: on my laptop 22:44
i can push it
or put it on my server
which do you prefer?
clkao from your server is good 22:48
nothingmuch what do you want? should i make a list of all the files? 22:52
ssh key please 22:53
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nothingmuch *yawn 22:56
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i want to sleep soon
clkao: hurry up
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clkao fglock: around? 23:10
fglock clkao: hi 23:11
clkao fglock: hey, i was just trying to add 'loop' support. 23:12
(decided to see why statement/* isn't passing 23:13
fglock: turned out "loop { zz() } while 1;" is parsed, expect a 'w' is eaten, if i remove the "<expression> while" rule, as it should require loop { } while.
fglock ok
clkao other things are 'elsif' (unless/if), given (given/do) 23:14
fglock 'loop <block>', right? 23:15
clkao no, "loop <block> while <expression>"
fglock: scsys.co.uk:8002/2798 23:16
lambdabot Title: freenode_web paste from "clkao" at 82.35.85.110...
clkao my current diff, can you tell what's obviously wrong?
fglock clkao: it looks ok - is it committed? 23:19
clkao no
it doesn't work
i can't make the 1st part's perl6_expression optional 23:20
adding ? doesn't work
maybe i should just commit it and let you fix it ;)
fglock clkao: I think that's a bug in PCR '?' 23:21
clkao :(( 23:22
fglock I think it only works after '()'
clkao fglock: and this causes anonsub to fail
for unknown reason 23:23
fglock it's easier to define an optional-expression, and then use that
clkao bare_block that is.
fglock I'll apply the patch here and try to fix it
clkao ok.
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leon Anyone here? 23:31
nothingmuch slightly
leon :-)
nothingmuch good night folks =)
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leon it's kinda silent for a channel with 130 people in it... 23:34
can anyone here answer a few questions about perl 6 development? 23:35
fglock clkao: it was missing a <ws> before '(while)' 23:43
clkao ah
and the optional thingy in exp[123] 23:44
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clkao should we do maybe_empty_expression_no_block ? 23:44
sounds very ugly ;)
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fglock testing... 23:48
clkao: ok! 23:50
svnbot6 r11575 | fglock++ | v6 - parser: 'loop(;;){block}' and 'look{block}while exp;' - applied clkao++ patch with a few changes
leon who should I report to for vandalized (spam) pugs wiki page?
fglock s/look/loop/ 23:51
leon: just say it here - people usually read the logs 23:52
leon is this channel always this silent? 23:53
i'm a bit surprised to see a channel with 133 users but only one message per minute 23:54
just wondering...
fglock it depends on which timezone most developers are - and most people just go sleep and don't logout :) 23:55
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leon that would explain a lot.. 23:56
what is a better time to be here? a few hours earlier? 23:58
clkao fglock: are you going to commit that?
fglock clkao: it's r11575 23:59

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