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Set by nothingmuch on 12 July 2006.
dduncan for those oscon people looking here and not on #oscon@perl.org, ... tonight, in room E141 (OSCAMP) at 6:53pm is the Portland Perl mongers meeting ... see pdx.pm.org/kwiki/ ... it has unfortunately not been advertised very well, appearing only on the OSCAMP schecule ... it should be a good place for Perl folks to meet up and recognize each other, than can be under the larger crowds and many spread out sessions ... unfortunately this confl 00:37
lambdabot Title: PortlandPerlMongers - Kwiki
rlb3 how badly are the perl 6 essentials books out of date? 00:46
svnbot6 r11779 | fglock++ | v6 - quote bareword in class-method call 01:05
r11779 | fglock++ | v6-Compiler - added t/01-native.t
clkao fglock: why quote bareword? 01:11
svnbot6 r11780 | clkao++ | util/prove6 02:18
svnbot6 r11781 | clkao++ | In double quote, extract "&?ROUTINE.name" but not "$*PID." 02:36
clkao 920 tests pass 03:22
gaal clkao: where is prove6? 06:11
clkao gaal: util 06:13
gaal where's the actual code? that file is 2 lines
clkao code is in v6 06:14
gaal url?
clkao ?? 06:19
what actual code? it's just normal perl5 bin/prove with extra lib paths.
gaal ah 06:20
clkao so v6 is automatically loaded
gaal okay.
I thought it was a perl 6 harness...
glasser clkao: inspirational blog entry, maybe i will do a bit of that :) 11:22
does playing with v6 require a functional ghc install? 11:23
(darwinports ghc still doesn't support intel mac out of the box does it?)
nothingmuch morning 11:32
marcus_ stalks nothingmuch 11:35
nothingmuch waits for marcus_ to rape him in some alley 11:43
markstos v6 0.12 won't pass "make test" for me, I presume because Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.12 is required, but not yet available on CPAN. 11:50
qmole .2 12:04
oops
clkao oh doh. i thought 0.12 was released 12:13
so sorry. ping fglock if there's a chance. i won't be around much today 12:14
markstos Sometimes search.cpan.org lags, but the other parts appeared.
Ok. Thanks for the response clkao.
glasser ah, looks like you do need some ghc to do v6 stuff 12:22
clkao glasser: i don't think so 12:32
glasser well, pugs doesn't ship with a Makefile
and running perl Makefile.PL wants ghc
unless make build_perl5 is in some other directory?
markstos glasser: cpan -i v6 worked for me. 12:33
clkao ah. no - but you can see that from makefile.pl and do it yourself trivially
Dr_Pi The INSTALL file calls for Parrot 0.4.6, but it hasn't been released yet. 12:47
agentzh xinming: hi 12:52
xinming agentzh, hi... :-)
agentzh you're still in Kunming? 12:53
xinming agentzh, yes, I am, :-)
are you also in Kunming? :-)
agentzh heh
xinming agentzh, haha, Never met a perl people in China in real life. :-/
agentzh nope, i'm in Zhenjiang, Jiangsu province.
xinming agentzh, hmm, How do you know that I'm in Kunming currently? 12:54
agentzh here're a handful of perl hackers in my university
in fact i'm not sure. because you ever mentioned Kunming in this channel, i think 12:55
xinming hmm, I don't meet much, Maybe because I never go into univerisity... :( 12:56
agentzh currently i'm reading Perl 6 Synopses. I've found some typos and have reported them to p6-l.
audreyt is very responsive. 12:57
now i'm a perl 6 monger.
:)
xinming Yes. She'll fix bug and answer your question quickly. :-P 12:58
agentzh extremely quickly in fact. ;-)
hopefully i'll be able to help out fglock and clkao with the v6.pm stuff some time later 12:59
v6-alpha and PCR are really impressive. 13:00
xinming is newbie, and he can do nothing except writing test. :-/ 13:01
agentzh IIRC you've been rather active on the Perl 6 land for some time already. :-)
i often see your name while lurking here and p6-l 13:02
and it seems to me you're 1 year older than i. :-)
xinming but I'm not capable. :-/ 13:06
agentzh i don't think so. :=) 13:07
xinming agentzh, BTW, what are your version control system?
I mean, do you use subversion or svk?
agentzh last year i was using svk.
but svk is very unstable on Win32. so i've switched back to SVN this year. 13:08
i'm a Win32 person. :=)
yesterday i "rant" on svk for that issue.
xinming hmm, I'd say, If you use svk, and need bootstrap files for pugs and parrot, you can get it from perlcabal.org/~xinming/
agentzh I think that's okay because clkao's svk is mostly rant-driven.
wow, you're a cabal memenber now? 13:09
*member
xinming svk is good, though, there are some tough bugs... eg. You can't use `svk push`, and then later using `svk -l push`, This will cause collision with server, in many commits. 13:10
agentzh looking...
xinming I don't know if you ever encountered this problem. 13:11
agentzh, account of perlcabal.org is easy to get... :-P
agentzh i often encountered this kind of problems in the past
really?
xinming agentzh, just /msg Juerd :-)
agentzh, or send mail to Juerd
agentzh gotcha
i really hope i can obtain a feather account from Juerd because i'm behind a firewall most of the time and i need CGI:IRC 13:12
xinming agentzh, but for now, I hardly use -l and --verbatim option, because these might screw up the svn server. 13:13
agentzh `svk push` is a source of pain.
xinming agentzh, without -l and --verbatim, It won't be a big pain.
agentzh i've used -l, i'm afraid. 13:14
xinming agentzh, don't mix these 2 kind of option, then, It's all ok,
agentzh sorry, i've never used -l
i don't think so. :-/
xinming agentzh, yes, -l and normal push might screw up the svn server. at least, My server is ever screwed up. :-)
lost nothing though. 13:15
agentzh but i've *never* used the -l option
and svk still misbehaved nearly every month
xinming then, I don't know why.
agentzh i'm wondering if it is a Win32-specific problem 13:16
i'm guessing there're always much fewer svk's Win32 users
xinming but the idea of svk is really good. working offline, and mirror repository is really powerful, which means, we don't need to connect to get the svn log. :-) 13:17
agentzh of course, svk is very very powerful. sadly it's unstable here. :(
i just feel safe while using svn since it has never driven me mad. 13:18
yes, getting svn log using an svn client really sucks.
xinming agentzh, BTW, why don't you use Unix-like OS? 13:20
hmm, xinming now needs to work, might reply not very soon.
agentzh because it's hard to find a Unix-like box in my university
everyone here uses windows.
i have no choice. :=) 13:21
daxim do you have your own computer? 13:22
agentzh no, i don't 13:22
daxim hm.
agentzh i'm always using others.
tweaking Perl on Win32 always needs significant efforts 13:24
for example, it's nontrivial to install CPAN modules (say, Jifty) to ActivePerl
so i've even ended up with an AgentPerl installer built for myself and happily all my classmates prefer it to plain ActivePerl. :=) 13:26
daxim what's the difference between them? 13:26
agentzh i've installed many modules to ActivePerl (just like PXPerl). 13:28
and i have made sure they *work* well together on Win32.
and i've also modified some modules to support Chinese encodings.
as well as many useful tools developed by myself. 13:29
daxim I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to your newsletter 13:30
do you have a webpage with the details somewhere?
wolverian vanillaperl! :)
fglock Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.12 sent to CPAN 13:31
agentzh daxim: sorry, there's not such a webpage. but i think you can download my AgentPerl from my personal page: 13:32
yxy.ujs.edu.cn/images/index.html
agentzh wolverian: vanillaperl can't compile IRC::Run and GraphViz, i'm afraid. 13:33
sorry, s/IRC:RUN/IPC::Run/
daxim trying to connect for 150 seconds now :( 13:35
agentzh sorry, the bandwith is very very limited.
daxim doesn't help if I s/ujs/jsust/
agentzh you're not in China, right? 13:36
daxim no
agentzh maybe you need a Chinese proxy. :(
i'm still a student and can't afford a server of my own. 13:37
yxy.ujs.edu.cn is my school's server.
too bad...
agentzh ... 13:41
agentzh is happy to see audreyt has applied all his patches sent to p6-l 13:42
svnbot6 r11782 | fglock++ | v6-Compiler - coerce:as from Match to AST, untested 13:52
svnbot6 r11783 | scw++ | Pugs::Emitter::Rule::Parsec 14:19
r11783 | scw++ | * sigspace implemented
r11783 | scw++ | * more \X syntax supported
agentzh audreyt, Timtoady: S04 line 459 says "A C<CATCH> block sees the lexical scope in which it defined, but the dynamic scope in which it is called, that is, as if it were called from the dynamic location that threw the exception. That is, ..." 14:38
audreyt, TimToady: is the grammar of this senstence correct?
audreyt, TimToady: To be honest, I've got completely confused. 14:39
daxim yes. the word "were" is in subjunctive mood.
agentzh i know that part.
gaal oughta be "in which it _is_ defined" (or was) 14:40
agentzh but does "but" mean there?
agentzh is the "but" leading a sentence or a phrase? 14:40
s/but/rather than/, maybe? 14:41
hugues23 would that not be rather: "A C<CATCH> block does not see the lexical scope in which it is defined, but ..." ?
agentzh yes, i second gaal's opinion. 14:42
gaal no, the lexical scope it sees IS the one in which it is defined
dynamically, it's the dynamic callchain from the exception site.
hugues23 gaal: ok, i must say that wording confuses me too ...
agentzh gaal: does a CATCH block see the dynamical scope in which it is called? 14:43
gaal there could just as well have been an "and" instead of a "but" there. 14:44
agentzh and? okay, gotcha
hugues23 gaal: that would help understanding, yes.
gaal there are always both lexical and dynamic scopes.
hugues23 s/understanding/my &/ 14:45
agentzh fair enough
gaal the sentence is saying what is in each of those scopes.
hugues23 gaal: got you.
agentzh gaal: would please send a patch to p6-l or to audreyt and larry?
gaal sure. 14:46
agentzh thanks. :D
hugues23 ditto.
pasteling "hugues23" at 158.50.204.4 pasted "compiling problem when 'making' svn pugs" (442 lines, 30.2K) at sial.org/pbot/18615 14:54
hugues23 would anyone have an idea on how to "solve" it ? 14:55
gaal hugues23: looks like the main pugs built OK, it's the v6 stuff you got errors on.
hugues23 gaal: that did'nt prevent me from "make install"ing, but i've had this error for a few days now ... 14:56
gaal: i tried to have a look at the indicated file, but i don't grok rules yet ;-) 14:57
gaal ping clkao/fglock about it
hugues23 gaal: thank's, i'll try that. 14:58
agentzh gaal++ 15:11
seen your mail to p6-l
jabbot agentzh: I havn't seen your, agentzh
agentzh hugues23: try to remove *.pmc and *.tc from your local directory? 15:15
not sure though 15:16
fglock hughes23: re: sial.org/pbot/18615 - Pugs::Compiler::Rule won't install properly if you have a previous version in blib/ - you need to 'make clean' 15:22
lambdabot Title: Paste #18615 from "hugues23" at 158.50.204.4
agentzh for anyone who knows, what does the word "unhindered" mean please? S04 makes use of that. 15:24
i can't find it in the dictionaries available in my place. 15:25
[particle] hinder is to slow down, to impede
agentzh [particle]: thanks a lot!
svnbot6 r11784 | fglock++ | v6-Compiler - s/class/role/ but it still looks wrong 15:46
fglock if AST 'nodes' are roles, then the return block in rules should be like { $/ does v6::AST::NBit } instead of { $/.as(v6::AST::NBit) } ? 15:50
{ return $/ ... } 15:51
aufrank that looks right to me
fglock what is the op to test if an object 'does' a role? 15:56
aufrank cando? 15:57
fglock aufrank: I think 'cando' only tests for methods 15:59
aufrank: I think the '.does' method is what I need 16:01
svnbot6 r11785 | fglock++ | v6-Compiler - s/.as()/does/ - AST nodes are role'd Matches 16:07
aufrank It's one of the unfortunate bits of english polysemy-- using the same verb to assert doing and to test doing 16:09
thanks for the clarification on cando
svnbot6 r11786 | fglock++ | v6-Compiler - updated docs, license; 16:37
r11786 | fglock++ | - '42' is a 'NUint'
svnbot6 r11787 | fglock++ | v6-Compiler - 'make clean' options 16:46
svnbot6 r11788 | markstos++ | Solve the need-GHC-just-to-play-with-v6 problem. 22:30
r11788 | markstos++ | See use.perl.org/~clkao/journal/30407 for a description and
r11788 | markstos++ | the specific problem I posted in a comment there.
r11788 | markstos++ | The solution:
r11788 | markstos++ | Instead of:
r11788 | markstos++ | perl Makefile.PL && make build_perl5 # Requires GHC!
r11788 | markstos++ | Just:
r11788 | markstos++ | ./make_build_perl5
lambdabot Title: Journal of clkao (1687)
svnbot6 r11788 | markstos++ | There is room for refinement:
r11788 | markstos++ | - This script is dumb about finding a good "make" to use.
r11788 | markstos++ | - perhaps it makes sense to roll in "util/src_to_blib.pl" ?

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