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| daxim | I can't install Test::TAP::HTMLMatrix as part of Task::Smoke because it fails. it's the same failure as recorded at cpantesters.perl.org/show/Test-TAP-...atrix-0.05 | 02:22 | |
| lambdabot | Title: CPAN Testers: Reports for Test-TAP-HTMLMatrix, tinyurl.com/ywph6n | ||
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| audreyt | nothingmuch: thoughts re www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.t...24381.html ? | 03:16 | |
| lambdabot | Title: FAIL Test-TAP-HTMLMatrix-0.05 sun4-solaris-thread-multi 2.9 - nntp.perl.org, tinyurl.com/2fqrek | ||
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| nothingmuch | audreyt old Test::TAP::Model | 03:32 | |
| i think | |||
| hmm... no | |||
| i'll look into it tomorrow | 03:33 | ||
| the error is what you used to get when it was not using the object but a hash | |||
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| audreyt | strange thing is only half of cpan testers get it | 03:35 | |
| thanks for looktomorrow | |||
| nothingmuch | how's metaland coming along? | 03:36 | |
| audreyt | very well | 03:37 | |
| continued filling in Pugs.Meta.* is the current task | 03:38 | ||
| probably going to tackle PerlSV (that's Perl 5 objects) | |||
| because one of the highlight of MO is that it can handle heterogenous layout/dispatch systems | 03:39 | ||
| and what's better a "foreign object system" to test with than perl5's :) | |||
| nothingmuch | =) | ||
| audreyt | so a new responder interface construction bridge | ||
| should do it | |||
| nothingmuch++ # a joy to use | |||
| I mean | |||
| nothingmuch 's grand plan seems to be proceeding as anticipated | |||
| audreyt | nothingmuch++ # MO is a joy to use | 03:40 | |
| nothingmuch | i'm, uh... flatterred ;-) | ||
| audreyt grins | |||
| nothingmuch | anymoose, /me is done babysitting and stevan must now drive /me home (hotel) | ||
| audreyt | have moose | ||
| nothingmuch | i'll moose my best | 03:41 | |
| audreyt | bon moose! | ||
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| nothingmuch | you moose! | 03:41 | |
| oh by the moose, have you moosed my mooses from new moose city? | |||
| i think they came out pretty moose | |||
| gallery.woobling.org/ny_2007 | |||
| lambdabot | Title: NY 2007 | ||
| nothingmuch | anymoose, faremoose | 03:42 | |
| offby1 | buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo | ||
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| Patterner | snakes? | 03:47 | |
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| ingy | nothingmuch: where are you? | 04:31 | |
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| nothingmuch | ingy: Old Saybrook, CT | 05:19 | |
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| xinming_ | ?eval my $t = localtime; $t.perl; | 05:55 | |
| evalbot_r15410 | "\\undef" | ||
| nothingmuch | ?eval localtime | ||
| xinming_ | ?eval my $myl = &localtime; my $t = $myl(); $t.perl; | ||
| evalbot_r15410 | undef | ||
| "\\Time::Local.new((\"day\" => 3), (\"hour\" => 6), (\"is_dst\" => Bool::False), (\"min\" => 55), (\"month\" => 3), (\"picosec\" => 303242000000), (\"sec\" => 45), (\"tz\" => 3600), (\"tzname\" => \"CET\"), (\"wday\" => 7), (\"yday\" => 61), (\"year\" => 2007))" | |||
| xinming_ | You osee? | ||
| you see? | |||
| It seems, that multi is broken in some case. :-) | 05:56 | ||
| nothingmuch | ouch | ||
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| Teratogen | is there a standard file extension for parrot code | 06:46 | |
| ? | |||
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| Teratogen | aj, .pbc | 06:50 | |
| @ | |||
| ! | |||
| =D | |||
| gah, can't type straight | 06:59 | ||
| what is .cola? | |||
| Patterner | a language | 07:00 | |
| well, it's in $PARROT/languages/cola, so I assume it is one :) | 07:01 | ||
| Teratogen | different than Perl 6, but compiles to parrot? | ||
| ok | |||
| nothingmuch | it's a demo language | ||
| with a syntax like C | |||
| Teratogen | ah | 07:02 | |
| Patterner | read the README :) | ||
| Teratogen | reading it | 07:03 | |
| nothingmuch | READMEs are very postmodern with a name like that... Nobody has patience for postmodernism | ||
| Patterner sings "I am the very model of a Modern Pragmatic Programmer..." | 07:04 | ||
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| Teratogen | [slashsnot.org::leontopod::bash] ~ (Fri Mar 02 23:42:45) | 07:51 | |
| => tcc | |||
| bash: tcc: command not found | |||
| oops | |||
| beppu | fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc/ | 07:55 | |
| lambdabot | Title: TCC : Tiny C Compiler | ||
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| nothingmuch | /w 21 | 08:07 | |
| damnit | |||
| tene | hehe | 08:15 | |
| gaal | so, what should be further transcribed now into Pugs.Meta? | 08:24 | |
| and, is import Pugs.Prim ok from Pugs.Meta? | 08:25 | ||
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| gaal | I don't want to thrash e.g. with numerical prims | 08:26 | |
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| audreyt | gaal: import Pugs.Prim is fine | 08:48 | |
| the idea is that op* should be gone | |||
| at least for methods like .sqrt | 08:49 | ||
| clkao | audreyt: yo | 08:51 | |
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| gaal | audreyt: you mean opFloating etc.? | 08:54 | |
| could you checkin a basic P.M.Num with one example -- say sqrt -- and I'll add some more stuff? | |||
| (how) do we avoid doing a lot of patmatching against NDouble and NFloat? | 08:56 | ||
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| gaal | tal.forum2.org/static/cv/PhD.pdf | 10:19 | |
| # runtime aspect augmentation | 10:20 | ||
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| svnbot6 | r15411 | audreyt++ | * Remove the obsolete (and poetry-challenged) Pugs.MOP. | 13:46 | |
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| svnbot6 | r15412 | audreyt++ | * Refactor Feed and Capture out to Pugs.Val.Capture | 13:47 | |
| r15413 | audreyt++ | * MO: Instead of punning (data AnyFoo = AnyFoo x), use the | 13:50 | ||
| r15413 | audreyt++ | recommended Haskell style with strictness turned on by | |||
| r15413 | audreyt++ | default (data AnyFoo = MkFoo !x). | |||
| r15414 | audreyt++ | * MO.Base: Switch from a Perl5-esque [Invocant m] calling | |||
| r15414 | audreyt++ | convention to a full-fledged (Capt m) calling convention. | |||
| r15415 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Val.Base: Make a simple "Call" type synonym that | 13:53 | ||
| r15415 | audreyt++ | stands for MethodInvocation. | |||
| r15416 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Meta.Perl5: Beginning of routing-Perl5-SV-into-MO-land. | |||
| gaal | audreyt++ audreyt++ audreyt++ | 13:55 | |
| svnbot6 | r15417 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.AST: Expose Pugs.Meta.* instances by default | ||
| r15417 | audreyt++ | for oldland users. | |||
| r15418 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Class: Stub implementation of WHAT; also make mkObj a | |||
| r15418 | audreyt++ | Boxable class method so we can make class-less objects, | |||
| r15418 | audreyt++ | or objects whose .HOW is not backed by instances of the | |||
| r15418 | audreyt++ | Perl6 ^Class. | |||
| r15419 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Internals.ID: Remove the as-of-yet-unused IsString | 13:58 | ||
| r15419 | audreyt++ | instance now -- Punt until GHC 6.8. | |||
| r15420 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Eval: Chase Feed/Capture changes. (We switched | |||
| r15420 | audreyt++ | from a lazy [Val] into a parallel-friendly strict [:Val:].) | |||
| r15421 | audreyt++ | err, typo. | 13:59 | ||
| r15422 | audreyt++ | * To promote any boxable value to newland Val, use "mkVal" | |||
| r15422 | audreyt++ | now instead of the old (and ambiguous) "val". | |||
| audreyt | Perl5SV bridge almost there (~2hr more) | 14:01 | |
| unfortunately my HP is running very low... | |||
| need to take a ^C and bbl for more commits+blogposts | 14:02 | ||
| bbl :) & | |||
| gaal hands audreyt a potion of Moose | |||
| audreyt feels much better! --More-- | |||
| gaal | (I wonder what -parr does in r15414? there's no arrow code in that patch that I could see...) | 14:03 | |
| audreyt | !: | 14:04 | |
| devbot6 | audreyt: Error: ":" is not a valid command. | ||
| audreyt | probably doesn't need -fparr | ||
| but then, doesn't hurt :) | |||
| gaal | there's also an import og GHC.PArr but what... oh | 14:05 | |
| succinct magic :) | |||
| audreyt | (!: 0) | ||
| :D | |||
| PArr is like Seq except it's fast and compact and extra-sugary | |||
| it can even be used as pattern | |||
| case x of | |||
| [::] -> ... | |||
| [:i:] -> ... | |||
| etc | |||
| gaal | oh, no relation to Arrows? | 14:06 | |
| audreyt | nope. Parallel Arrays | ||
| or rather, Parallelizable Arrays | |||
| gaal | (the docs I was looking at don't have that module) | ||
| ah ok ok | |||
| audreyt | need to look at source | ||
| GHC/PArr.hs | |||
| reason is that haddock dies on it | |||
| ;) | |||
| gaal | hehe | ||
| svnbot6 | r15423 | audreyt++ | * util/munge_haddock.pl: Munge parallel array notation | 14:08 | |
| r15423 | audreyt++ | [:...:] to list notation [...] for "make haddock" | |||
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| lichtkind | audreyt really glad your back hope your glad too that im back to write man pages :) currently an article about perl6 but after that | 14:10 | |
| gaal | hmm if we flip (++) on mkBoxPureClass, we can get static overrides | ||
| lichtkind | audreyt some things you wish to be recognized about perl6? | ||
| or pugs | |||
| gaal | unless actually we get them now because the scan is linear on the list? | 14:11 | |
| audreyt | it gets turned into a map | 14:13 | |
| gaal | so methods ++ [defaults] is not as good as [defaults] ++ methods | ||
| audreyt | fromList is left-biased no? | ||
| gaal | assuming fromList overrides like that? | ||
| looking... | 14:14 | ||
| audreyt | oh wait | ||
| it's right biased | |||
| so yeah. flip it | |||
| lichtkind: hm, all kinds of things :) | |||
| I like www.perl.com/pub/a/2007/03/01/perl-...ssing.html | |||
| lambdabot | Title: perl.com: The Beauty of Perl 6 Parameter Passing, tinyurl.com/2x2opj | ||
| audreyt | some more things along that line will be great | 14:16 | |
| gaal | flup. | ||
| audreyt | gaal++ | ||
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| svnbot6 | r15424 | gaal++ | * flip order in defaults and user-defined methods, to allow static | 14:18 | |
| r15424 | gaal++ | overriding of WHICH etc. | |||
| pasteling | "evalbot_r15411" at 194.145.200.126 pasted "Pugs build failure" (457 lines, 26.1K) at sial.org/pbot/23271 | ||
| moritz | hm, one of audreyt's commits requires a "make clean" or "make realclean" | ||
| at least for me | 14:19 | ||
| gaal | probably the one that changed the cabal file | ||
| moritz | ?eval 1 | ||
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| gaal | in fact probably it requires just a Makefile regen, but if you do that you may as well clean | 14:19 | |
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| moritz | ok, so a later version compiled | 14:20 | |
| gaal | I'm lovin' 'make ghci' | ||
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| moritz | gaal: what does it do? | 14:20 | |
| gaal | do you know ghci? | 14:21 | |
| it's an interactive haskell shell | |||
| moritz | a bit, yes | ||
| though I don't really know haskell too well ;) | |||
| gaal | so the make ghci target builds pugs as just another library you can see from ghci | ||
| lichtkind | audreyt nice but im writing for a different nonenglish perl magazin | 14:22 | |
| xerox | gaal: and import starred, for example? | ||
| moritz | Gothmog_: ok ;) | ||
| sorry for hilightspamming, I meant gaal ;) | |||
| gaal | this has several benefits, the quickest to see being very fast rebuilds | ||
| xerox: moose. also, starred? | 14:23 | ||
| xerox | Yeah, ghci can import a module in different ways. | ||
| devbot6 | planet6: Audrey Tang: A beautiful calling convention. <pugs.blogs.com/pugs/2007/03/a_beaut...l.html> | ||
| gaal | xerox: I meant, what does starred import mean? | 14:26 | |
| brb | |||
| xerox | gaal: it is described in the user guide. If it's starred your environment is the module's ones own. If not, it works like you have just imported the module. | 14:27 | |
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| gaal | oh. I guess you can do that too then! :) you can do everything ghci can, for example :t functions (some have pretty strange types!) or, heh heh, use GOA to :pl expressions. (xerox++ :-) | 14:32 | |
| and also, of course, ghci now has a debugger! | |||
| sadly not in ghc 6.6 though | |||
| audreyt | @tell fglock t/regex/from_perl6_rules/capture.t now loops; t/regex/from_perl6_rules/exhaustive.t too; however there's 4 unexpcted successes | 14:36 | |
| lambdabot | Consider it noted. | ||
| lichtkind | audreyt but thanks for showing the article i just added my comment | 14:56 | |
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| svnbot6 | r15425 | audreyt++ | * Massive Haddoc-compatibility fix to make all modules | 15:39 | |
| r15425 | audreyt++ | haddockable. | |||
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| svnbot6 | r15426 | kudra++ | Placeholder | 16:00 | |
| r15427 | kudra++ | Ready to summarize | |||
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| sidnelson | hi | 18:30 | |
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| moritz | hi sidnelson ;) | 18:34 | |
| sidnelson | hi moritz | ||
| moritz: can u help me | 18:35 | ||
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| moritz | silug: it depends ;) | 18:47 | |
| damned tab completion | |||
| silug: sorry for hilight-spamming ;) | |||
| rindolf | Hi all. | 18:53 | |
| moritz | hi rindolf | 18:55 | |
| rindolf | moritz: what's up? | 18:56 | |
| moritz | rindolf: pugs is running 122 minutes on a smoke test... | ||
| rindolf | moritz: I see. :-( | 18:57 | |
| moritz | rindolf: perhaps an endless loop | ||
| rindolf | moritz: perhaps. | ||
| moritz: is it normal? Or does it usually take less time? | |||
| moritz | did anybody else make a smoke since r15425 | ||
| rindolf: this time I did a "make soon", so it is slower than usually | 18:58 | ||
| rindolf: but it should not be _that_ slow | |||
| gaal | make soon is very slow. | 18:59 | |
| that is, the pugs it produces is. | |||
| moritz | gaal: so slow that pugs needs more than 2 hours for a single test file? | 19:00 | |
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| gaal | if you have ghc6.6 and enough memory, there's no reason to use it really | 19:00 | |
| no, that must be looping. | |||
| which file? | |||
| moritz | gaal: I don't know | ||
| and now I interrupted it :( | |||
| gaal | scrollbuffer? | 19:01 | |
| moritz | gaal: I have 0.5GB, that's litte enough to drive "make" to swap :( | ||
| gaal | yeah :( | ||
| allbery_b plans to update and smoke later tonight, fwiw | 19:02 | ||
| but myt last smoke is from 15376 | |||
| moritz | gaal: scrollbuffer is not long enough :(, but even that wouldn't help that much since only failing tests produce a output | ||
| gaal | moritz: how are you running tests? | 19:03 | |
| moritz | gaal: with "make smoke" from the pugs root dir | ||
| gaal | fwiw "make smoke" prints the test file before running it... | ||
| moritz | I never saw that | 19:04 | |
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| allbery_b | the name of it, not the contents | 19:05 | |
| gaal | yep | 19:06 | |
| moritz | I never noticed that... I'll confirm it when "make" finishes ;) | 19:08 | |
| ok, you're right ;) | 19:27 | ||
| gaal | moritz: make smoke's jsut finished ext/ and entered t/sanity here... | 19:28 | |
| but I'm a little ill so I'll leave it to run for the night. | 19:29 | ||
| see y'all tomorrow... | |||
| moritz | gaal: 'night ;) | 19:30 | |
| rindolf | moritz: I think I'll svn up and make smoke pugs now. | ||
| Just to help the revolution. | |||
| moritz | ;) | ||
| rindolf++ ;) | 19:31 | ||
| rindolf: btw how is your perl dialect coming along? | |||
| rindolf: is it implemented? | |||
| rindolf | moritz: nah. | ||
| moritz: there's a spec at www.shlomifish.org/rindolf/ , but that's it. | 19:32 | ||
| lambdabot | Title: Rindolf Specification | ||
| rindolf | moritz: I realised I wasn't particularly bothered by the things I proposed to actually implement them. | ||
| moritz | rindolf: yeah, I skimmed over the first bit | ||
| did you know the Moose modules when you wrote the specs? | 19:33 | ||
| rindolf | moritz: I started working on it way before the Moose modules. | ||
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| moritz | smoke currently works on t/builtins/strings/uc.t | 19:42 | |
| while r15399 only needs a few seconds | 19:43 | ||
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| moritz | weird, judging from its output the t/builtins/strings/uc.t has finished a few minutes ago, but no new test name is printed | 19:48 | |
| rindolf | moritz: still compiling. | 19:49 | |
| moritz | ok, now it continues - still very weird | ||
| rindolf | moritz: finished compilation. Now running make smoke. | 19:54 | |
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| TimToady | my make smoke loops on two of the regex tests | 19:58 | |
| moritz | the "Positional backref" in regex/from_perl6_rules/capture.t | ||
| offby1 | ooh smoke loops: are those like smoke rings? | ||
| TimToady | audreyt noticed it last night too | 19:59 | |
| and left a message for fglock regarding it | 20:00 | ||
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| rindolf | My Pugs "make smoke" hangs after 4 wallclock secs ( 0.00 usr 0.00 sys + 2.99 cusr 0.12 csys = 3.11 CPU) | 21:09 | |
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| Limbic_Region | rindolf - my pugs hangs during make smoke too but not sure on which test | 21:21 | |
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| sidnelson | i try to install a module perl but i have this erro : "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lrrd". i dont know what package is missing | 22:25 | |
| allbery_b | perl5? try #perl | 22:26 | |
| moritz is currently admiring the lunar eclipse ;) | |||
| sidnelson | yes | ||
| opss | 22:27 | ||
| moritz | sidnelson: you'll need to install the 'rrdtool's | ||
| sidnelson | i have | ||
| i install the by debian packages | 22:28 | ||
| moritz | sidnelson: librrd0 and librrd0-dev? | ||
| sidnelson | and i try to compile the module perl RRDs | ||
| i will search | |||
| moritz | why don't you try librrds-perl? | 22:29 | |
| sidnelson | ok | 22:30 | |
| works fine | 22:31 | ||
| i dont knew that have a librrds-perl debian package | |||
| thank moritz | |||
| moritz | sidnelson: np | 22:32 | |
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| moritz | kann man denn Sudoku-Raffeln während der MoFi? | 22:59 | |
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| PerlJam | Anyone alive? | 23:33 | |
| tene | Yep. | ||
| allbery_b | <checks pulse> nope | ||
| PerlJam | I started writing an article on perl 6 and I need some feedback. | ||
| any takers? | 23:34 | ||
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| tene | Sure. | 23:35 | |
| PerlJam | email? | 23:36 | |
| tene | [email@hidden.address] | 23:37 | |
| PerlJam | sent | 23:38 | |
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| moritz | [email@hidden.address] as well ;) | 23:41 | |
| PerlJam | moritz: on its way. | 23:43 | |
| unfortunately, I now have to go deal with crying kids. But if you have any comments, just email them thanks. | 23:44 | ||
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| moritz | PerlJam: ok, I'm reading... | 23:45 | |
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