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Set by TimToady on 25 January 2008.
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meppl good night 02:28
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Muixirt hi 14:38
is there a way to build pugs with ghc version 6.6.1 ? 14:39
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syle is it possible to do async connect() with IO::Socket in perl5? 14:40
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allbery_b syle: this channel is for perl 6 development. try #perl for perl 5 questions 14:46
Muixirt hi allbery_b 14:47
allbery_b I haven't managed to get pugs to build in a long time... have heard someone was supposed to be working on fixing it, but that's all I know about it :( 14:48
Muixirt ok allbery_b 14:49
Muixirt wonders about the status of pugs
allbery_b essentially defunct; it served its purpose but development has moved on. parrot/rakudo is developing quickly, the pugs repo hosts the gtest suite, the Perl-6.0.0-STD specification, and "elf" which is a stage in an iterative self-bootstrapping system which is ultimately supposed to compile Perl-6.0.0-STD 14:57
I gather audreyt is sort of back part time, and is splitting pugs up into useful bits that can be reused elsewhere 14:58
(I think Pugs reched the point where it would have to be rewritten from scratch to catch up with the spec)
Muixirt i wonder if someone has listed somewhere the insights that came out of developing pugs 15:01
allbery_b I don't think so, not as such. most of them were figuring out what works and what doesn't from a language standpoint (i.e. what constructs are usable and what to change to make others usable) 15:03
as such they're mostly reflected in the synopses and the 6.0.0-STD spec
Muixirt i especially mean the insights into the shortcomings of pugs 15:07
allbery_b I think the main issue there is Pugs was audreyt's baby, and when health forced her to drop out it stopped where it was, while the perl6 spec moved on 15:11
not many people besides audreyt understand the implementation. (even if they understand Haskell. I was able to do some stuff with it but other things defeated me, for example there's something odd about the way the parser is implemented) 15:12
there were some things I tried to do that looked like they should work but have complex interrelationships such that making certain changes broke not-obviously-related aspects fo the parser 15:15
Muixirt ok thanks 15:21
allbery_b (some of it led to language reformulations, e.g. the Perl5-style filetests turned out to have too many interactions with parsing other things and were dropped in favor of adverbs (e.g. -r became :r) 15:23
the reuslt is arguably more perl6-ish, albeit foreign to perl5 folks. (syle: this is one reason #perl6 is not the place to ask perl5 questions) 15:24
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Muixirt bbl 15:48
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cj is it done yet? 17:42
cj ducks
wolverian yes, my thesis is... 17:43
thanks for asking :)
qmole congrats 17:45
wolverian thanks :)
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Limbic_Region salutations all 19:33
Auzon Hi 19:34
Limbic_Region YAPC::NA is just around the corner 19:39
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Auzon Oh, is that the one that has the Parrot hackathon? 19:46
Tene yeah 19:47
Limbic_Region I will be there for pre/post hackathon activities 19:49
Tene I plan to be there for the whole thing.
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rindolf Hi all. 19:51
Limbic_Region oh, has anyone read John M. Dlugosz's paper on p6's polymorphism?
rindolf Hi Limbic_Region
Limbic_Region www.dlugosz.com/Perl6/
lambdabot Title: Perl 6
rindolf Limbic_Region: are you subscribed to [email@hidden.address]
Limbic_Region salutations rindolf
rindolf - I do not believe so - no 19:52
rindolf Limbic_Region: is the weather nice outside?
Limbic_Region: ah, OK.
Limbic_Region not today, it was beautiful yesterday though
rindolf Limbic_Region: we had a bit of a flamewar.
Limbic_Region: ah, OK.
Limbic_Region: it was very nice day, but I had work to do. :-(
The spring is turning into Summer here.
Limbic_Region who is "we" 19:53
rindolf Limbic_Region: well, technically I Started it. 19:54
Limbic_Region: but it was very civilised until Elaine Ashton joined.
Limbic_Region: www.mail-archive.com/advocacy%40per...02161.html - if you're that interested.
lambdabot Title: Updating history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html
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rindolf Limbic_Region: what's up? 19:59
Limbic_Region: how is your kid doing? 20:00
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Limbic_Region just finished reading the thread 20:03
Limbic_Region laughs
rindolf Limbic_Region: heh.
That's HFB for you.
Limbic_Region rindolf - kids, plural. They are both doing fine
rindolf Limbic_Region: OK.
Limbic_Region: how old are they?
Limbic_Region rindolf - www.gatcomb.org/age.cgi 20:04
rindolf Limbic_Region: Arabic and Hebrew has a special form for "Two".
lambdabot Title: The Gatcomb Girl Ages
rindolf Limbic_Region: though in Hebrew this form is normally considered archaic.
Limbic_Region: I see.
Limbic_Region: can Jasmine talk yet? 20:05
Limbic_Region Jasmine has been speaking in complete sentences for some time now
rindolf Limbic_Region: oh, nice.
Limbic_Region heck, read www.gatcomb.org/joshua/2008/04/when...s-mor.html
lambdabot Title: When your 2 year old knows more than you - Joshua, tinyurl.com/5ln2zb
rindolf Limbic_Region: heh, nice. 20:07
Limbic_Region: how did she learn Spanish?
Limbic_Region Dora The Explorer
rindolf Limbic_Region: it's a good idea to talk to young children in as many languges as possible.
Limbic_Region: a show on T.V.?
Limbic_Region yes
rindolf - yes, I know - she will be multi-lingual 20:08
rindolf Limbic_Region: OK.
Limbic_Region the other day she made up a story for me: "Once upon a time, there was a princess - the end". "That's a good story Daddy"
rindolf Limbic_Region: my oldest second nephew is very intelligent for his age.
Limbic_Region in any event, the channel should probably be kept on topic
rindolf He could eject the CD tray and give me the DVD last year.
And this year he is able to operate a digital camera. 20:09
Limbic_Region kids are amazing
rindolf Limbic_Region: you should also talk to her in Perl 5 and Perl 6. 20:10
;-)
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rindolf Limbic_Region: bye. 20:11
Limbic_Region TTFN rindolf - nice chatting with you
rindolf Limbic_Region: likewise.
Ta ta for now?
Limbic_Region yes, from winnie the pooh
rindolf Limbic_Region: ah.
Limbic_Region: haven't read it yet.
Maybe I'll order it from Amazon.
Or something.
Limbic_Region it's a kid's story - and there isn't just 1 book 20:12
rindolf Limbic_Region: I know, I know.
Limbic_Region: still, I have a thing for children's literature.
Even as an adult.
Limbic_Region oh, today is the end of passover - /me extends whatever the proper greeting is for that and wanders off to spend the rest of his weekend with his girls
TTFN 20:13
Limbic_Region AFK &
rindolf At the moment I'm reading "The Virtue of Selfishness" and "I am Charlotte Simmons" by Tom Wolfe, but find it hard to keep up with both.
Limbic_Region: "Happy Mimuna"
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