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Set by TimToady on 25 January 2008.
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pugs_svn r21523 | lwall++ | [STD] globalize $DEBUG 00:19
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pugs_svn r21524 | Auzon++ | [gsoc_spectest] moved one-pass-parsing test into spec. Added tests for regex creation syntax. (added 11 tests, fudged for rakudo) 00:26
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Auzon both S02-whitespace_and_comments/one-pass-parsing.t and S05-metasyntax/regex.t can be added to spectest_regression 00:28
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stephen :D ^_^~~~ 01:22
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stephen Ingy dot Net is on the left side of the room. ^_^~ yah for Ingy. 01:24
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ua Hello St. Louis!! Whoo! Yeah, Bon Jovi! 01:30
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meppl good night 01:49
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ruoso are we live? 01:58
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s1n rakudo: ^0.1 02:33
p6eval rakudo 29733: RESULT[0..^0.1] 02:34
s1n rakudo: [^0.1]
p6eval rakudo 29733: RESULT[[0]]
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s1n rakudo: ("d".."a").perl 02:56
p6eval rakudo 29733: RESULT["\"d\"..\"a\""]
s1n rakudo: ("d"^.."a").perl 02:57
p6eval rakudo 29733: RESULT["\"d\"^..\"a\""]
pugs_svn r21525 | s1n++ | [pugs_s02,s03] moved the auto-reversing range tests to the S03-operators section. cleaned up the 03:21
r21525 | s1n++ | S02-builtin_data_types to mostly test the auto-reversing ranges can be created. filled in a few
r21525 | s1n++ | single boundry tests that seemed missing.
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pugs_svn r21526 | moritz++ | [spec] range.t: fixed tests for decreasing ranges, fudged again for rakudo 06:47
rakudo_svn r29734 | moritz++ | [rakudo] three more test files for spectest_regression, Auzon++ 06:58
moritz_ do we still have \N{CHAR NAME} escapes in Perl 6? 07:12
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pugs_svn r21527 | fglock++ | [PCR] added 'isGraphemeLink' 08:08
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pugs_svn r21528 | fglock++ | [PCR] unicode fixes 08:38
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pugs_svn r21529 | fglock++ | [PCR] version 0.34 09:00
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pugs_svn r21530 | fglock++ | [v6.pm] 0.26 09:15
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agentzh heh, OpenFoundry is upgrading to RoR 09:25
moritz_ from what? 09:27
agentzh maybe Perl
not sure
moritz_ RubyOnSticks? ;-)
agentzh heh 09:28
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Patterner Ruby is on rails, so you can run over it with a train. 09:36
moritz_ is reminded of sun's "data center in a container" which would also fit nicely on a train 09:37
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pugs_svn r21531 | pmurias++ | Array.elems and Array.postcircumfix:<[ ]> (called postcircumfix:<{ }> temporarly) work 12:47
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pmurias pugs: $*OUT.print("hello world\n"); 13:00
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT[hello worldā¤]
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masak perl6: $*OUT.close; $*OUT.print("hello world") 13:04
p6eval elf 21531: OUTPUT[Can't call method "close" on an undefined value at (eval 115) line 3.ā¤ at ./elf_f line 3861ā¤]
..pugs: OUTPUT[*** Unsafe function 'IO::close' called under safe modeā¤ at /tmp/7CitqEnr4n line 1, column 1-12ā¤]
..rakudo 29736: OUTPUT[src/io/io.c:1047: failed assertion 'io'ā¤Backtrace - Obtained 15 stack frames (max trace depth is 32).ā¤ (unknown)ā¤ Parrot_confessā¤ PIO_putpsā¤ Parrot_print_p_sā¤ (unknown)ā¤ (unknown)ā¤ (unknown)ā¤ (unknown)ā¤
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xinming_ perl6: "hello, print".say; 14:00
p6eval elf 21531: OUTPUT[hello, printā¤]
..pugs: OUTPUT[hello, printā¤]
..rakudo 29736: OUTPUT[hello, printā¤]
xinming_ "hello, world!".say.say; 14:01
perl6: "hello, world!".say.say;
p6eval elf 21531: OUTPUT[hello, world!ā¤1ā¤]
..pugs: OUTPUT[hello, world!ā¤1ā¤]
..rakudo 29736: OUTPUT[hello, world!ā¤1ā¤]
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pugs_svn r21532 | ruoso++ | [smop] test/14 passing finally! the object was being held in the namespace. 14:21
r21533 | ruoso++ | [smop] p6opaque mostly done, other features will be added as needed 14:22
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pugs_svn r21534 | fglock++ | [v6.pm] minor fixed in ranges, error messages 14:50
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pugs_svn r21536 | fglock++ | [v6.pm] more SKIP Unicode tests from cpan-tester reports 15:21
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rakudo_svn r29737 | pmichaud++ | [rakudo]: spectest-progress.csv update: 107 files, 1845 passing, 56 failing 15:58
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xinming_ TimToady: ping 16:17
@tell TimToady hi, Since we can consider [infix_op] <a b c>; and raw version of foldl in haskell, Will there be a foldr version in perl 6? :-) 16:19
lambdabot Consider it noted.
xinming_ @tell TimToady Will we be able to asign some dynamic attr to the reduce operator? eg. [infix_op]:l <a b c>; or [infix_op]:r <a b c>; 16:21
lambdabot Consider it noted.
rhr reduce ops take their assocativity from the infix op inside 16:23
xinming_ @tell TimToady Or will there be a postfix version of reduce op?
lambdabot Consider it noted.
xinming_ rhr: How do you think of this? [-] (1 .. 3); 16:24
rhr so you'd have to define another infix op to change the assoc
xinming_ rhr: But In my understanding, That's not the best practise. :-) 16:25
rhr infix:<-> is left assoc
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xinming_ rhr: yes, so, [-] (1 .. 3) will be ((1 - 2) - 3); But how about people wants to express it with (1 - (2 - 3)) ? 16:27
I don't know if there will be confliction with current syntax for (1 .. 3) [-]; version 16:28
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pmurias ruoso: hi 16:28
rhr something like: multi infix:<-r> is assoc<right> ($a, $b) { $a - $b }; [-r] 1..3 16:29
S06:1760 16:30
xinming_ rhr: In pod source? 16:32
I think it is.
rhr irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/today makes it a link :) 16:33
lambdabot Title: IRC log for #perl6, 2008-07-25
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pugs_svn r21538 | lwall++ | [is-rw.t] s/\xa0/\x20/g 17:00
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TimToady I think such rare cases should me mediated by something like foldr {$^a - $^b}, 1,2,3 17:05
lambdabot TimToady: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
TimToady @messages
lambdabot xinming_ said 45m 37s ago: hi, Since we can consider [infix_op] <a b c>; and raw version of foldl in haskell, Will there be a foldr version in perl 6? :-)
xinming_ said 43m 33s ago: Will we be able to asign some dynamic attr to the reduce operator? eg. [infix_op]:l <a b c>; or [infix_op]:r <a b c>;
xinming_ said 42m 14s ago: Or will there be a postfix version of reduce op?
TimToady or rreduce, or something human readable 17:07
either that, or there should be a metaoperator that reverses any infix operator 17:08
and then you could say [rev-] reverse 1,2,3
but I think a higher-order function is much better than complicating the operator syntax for something that will be rarely used 17:09
the point of huffman coding is not just to make everything short 17:11
xinming_ hmm, Ok, thanks, Why I think about this is because of the consistence. BTW, I think we have an op which toggles the association might be the best sollution to me. 17:14
But thanks anyway for your explaination.
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pmurias xinming_: you mean an metaop to toggle associativity? 17:17
xinming_ pmurias: yes. 17:18
But I know that we normally don't need to toggle this. So, what TimToady said is correct. It's a rare case. 17:19
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xinming_ TimToady: with 'our $.attr' vs 'my $.attr', Can we change the scope of these two? 'our $.attr' will be shared by it's class, and all subclasses. and 'my $.attr' will affect only the current class, when we call Class.attr, we will get the one defined with our, If there is 'my $.attr' for a specified class, then, that 'my $.attr' is accessed which overrides the 'our $.attr'. 18:07
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xinming_ just get some _random_ thoughts while reading the synopsis. 18:09
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pugs_svn r21539 | pmurias++ | [smop] removed io and hash from the boilerplate 18:24
r21539 | pmurias++ | Scalar does method delegation
pmurias xinming_: what would be it's use? 18:25
ruoso pmurias, hi 18:26
pmurias ruoso: hi
ruoso: what should i implement now?
xinming_ pmurias: hmm, I don't know, But since normally, my and our declarator are different. But with class attributes, they are almost the same which will confuse people IMO. :-) 18:27
ruoso pmurias, now we can take from the ROADMAP directly untill the point marked as 0.2.7 18:28
pmurias attributes then? 18:29
or Code?
the Code.new should take a slime frame? 18:32
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ruoso pmurias, oh... if Hash and Array are done, could you please move them from the roadmap to the changelog? 18:57
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pmurias ruoso: Hashes don't do any hashing, and i'm fixing Arrays to use [] now 19:01
rindolf Hi all. 19:02
ruoso pmurias, at this level, they just need to implement .{} correctly... they don't need to be too smart
.{} and .[] I mean
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pmurias ruoso: i update the changelog when i feel like fighting with openid again ;) 19:06
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ruoso pmurias, I could update it for you ;) 19:10
pmurias anok
* ok
ruoso so, I'll push Hash and Array down... 19:11
pmurias, have you ever considered signing into ohloh? 19:12
(btw, I've just updated the changelog... could you please check if I wrote your name correctly?)
pmurias, about the lowlevel code... I'm not sure they can store a slime frame because slime frames are dependant of the C context... 19:15
I think we're going to need the generation of a callback function specific for that code instance 19:16
at least in s1p
ruoso always feels good seeing "All tests successful" 19:19
pmurias what are the benefits of ohloh? 19:20
ruoso an "open source portfolio"?
I usually use it when I send a CV
and it's nice to see the "contributor map" of the project ;)
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ruoso SMOP takes 18.509s to execute 10000 dispatchings like the one in test/14, creating a new frame for each invocation... 19:32
pugs_svn r21542 | ruoso++ | [smop] first smop benchmark... 19:33
r21543 | fglock++ | [v6.pm] emitter hacks 19:34
pmurias ruoso: i registered on ohloh 19:35
ruoso :)
pmurias re slime frames are dependant on the C context, only at creation time
ruoso but they can't be re-used... 19:36
pmurias that's a problem 19:37
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ruoso yes... that's why they're called SLIME 19:38
but SLIME is only 100x slower than p5+moose ;)
pmurias what? 19:39
ruoso test/dispatch_benchmark
pmurias misread the number a 100% and was horrified
ruoso but I'm not quite sure the comparision is fair... 19:40
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pmurias isn't p5+moose as fast as pure p5 for method calls? 19:42
ruoso nope... it's about 10x slower
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ruoso maybe not... 19:46
I think my benchmark was wrng
anyway... 19:47
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ruoso SLIME have this name because it's the SMOP Lame Interpreter Implementation 19:48
pmurias ruoso: we can either .clone frames *or* replace SLIME 19:51
we have only 4 sm0p blocks + 2 in sm0p tests
ruoso pmurias, that we can promote to v6 blocks 19:52
pmurias that was what i meant ;)
ruoso ;) 19:54
and we need a better interpreter implementation
;)
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ruoso something less lame 19:57
pmurias i hopped to write it in perl6, but if work is to be wasted on sm0p we can replace it sooner 20:01
ruoso maybe we could wait a little longer 20:02
as we're not creating more sm0p blocks
we're not making the problem bigger
we can replace the v6 blocks implementation later with a small effor 20:03
t
pmurias it's not worth to extend something which will be thrown away 20:04
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pmurias would there be an major issues with a llvm jit only interpreter? 20:08
if we won't get away with it i don't see why shouldn't we do a replacement c one 20:10
ruoso pmurias, I think we can neglect that issue for now... considering we have the eval polymorphism and we can replace the interpreter itself later 20:12
and also considering we are already writing v6 blocks, which are implementation independent
pmurias ruoso: do you know to implement Code withough extending slime? 20:16
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ruoso pmurias, we can make it using a c callback (just like lowlevel method does) 20:16
pmurias that would mean emitting c from s1p :( 20:19
ruoso pmurias, oh... but s1p will be compiled down to C anyway 20:20
we'll implement the interpreter in s1p
then we don't need to generate C anymore
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ruoso pmurias, if you take a look in the ROADMAP, you'll see that we have two major milestones before implementing the AST types 20:23
and only after that we'll have the effective interpreter
ruoso will update the roadmap and replace KP6 by elf 20:24
pmurias, can I just s/KP6/elf/g? or is there any other important difference? 20:25
pmurias elf's grammar is in ruby so compiling it to smop would be a radically different task 20:29
ruoso hmmm...
maybe we could think about compiling STD to smop then 20:30
STD targets bootstrap, doesn't it?
pmurias yes 20:31
ruoso maybe we just go directly to STD
we use elf as the s1p compiler
pmurias, do you think that is possible? 20:32
(of course a lot of features will be needed before we actually get there...) 20:34
pmurias directly you mean instead of doing kp6? 20:35
or withough elf?
ruoso by using elf in s1p and port STD using s1p to bootstrap it 20:36
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pmurias makes sense 20:37
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ruoso so that part of the roadmap turns intp 20:38
* STD AST types
* STD AST -> runtime frames (effective interpreter) 20:39
* STD5 SMOP backend
* STD5 bootstraps STD in SMOP
* christmas ;) 20:40
pmurias, right?
pmurias those are all very big steps, but the basic order is right 20:41
ruoso cool...
pmurias, did I mentioned STD Ɨ STD5 correctly/ 20:42
?
I'm not completely familiar with them
(the difference between them)
pmurias STD5.pm was the name of the compiled to perl5 STD.pm 20:43
it is STD5.pmc
ruoso "was"?
pmurias i would just use STD everywhere
ruoso alright 20:44
pmurias s1p wiki page is totally outdated
ruoso indeed 20:45
pmurias, take a look into the updated rodmap "Perl 6 SMOP" milestone 20:46
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ruoso is it ok for the lowlevel attribute to support only scalar, array and hash as valid containers? 21:00
pugs_svn r21544 | lwall++ | [STD] parses 98% of t/spec 21:06
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pmurias ruoso: why do you need to special case it? 21:08
ruoso pmurias, to avoid having to look into the string of the attribute name to discover the container type 21:09
hmm... 21:10
but thinking again...
I don't need to do it..
if I store simply the container "type"
I can call "new" on the "type"
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ruoso then the compiler sets the container protoobject into the attribute 21:11
ruoso home & 21:12
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pmurias @tell ruoso i think it's better to do Code before Attribute as it should be possible to do Attribute in perl6 23:22
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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