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Set by Tene on 29 July 2008.
Tene If there's anything that's not clear in the synopses, btw, it really should be, so that's a bug. 00:03
So feel free to harass the list or TimToady or whatever to fix it for you. 00:04
wknight8111 Perl 6 is a really big damn language. It's hard to appreciate just how much stuff is in it
Limbic_Region wknight8111 - not really, STD.pm isn't even 1MB with all the comments :-) 00:05
ruoso still having a hard time with smop plumbing 00:51
ruoso sleep &
s1n pmichaud: is it better to test w/ !defined or !blah.defined? 04:20
literal hm, rakudo.de/ 04:57
lambdabot Title: Rakudo - A Perl 6 Compiler
literal ^--- how big is the entire test suite?
and how much of Perl 6 does it cover? 04:58
ah, never mind, got an answer from #parrot @ MAGnet 05:05
diakopter chuckles at "Applications written in any non-English languages (except complex script languages) can now be successfully virtualized and deployed via App-V." on blogs.technet.com/softgrid/archive/...-rtms.aspx 05:07
lambdabot Title: The App-V Blog : Microsoft Application Virtualization 4.5 RTMs!, tinyurl.com/6kzjla
diakopter ab5tract: take a look at the irc logs for this channel... they're searchable [for smop]. 05:40
ab5tract nice pl 05:41
moritz_ good morning 06:41
pmurias diakopter: you told ab5tract to search the logs for smop, why? 07:31
ab5tract bcuz i asked about it in #parrot on irc.perl.org 07:32
pmurias ab5tract: anything you want to know? ;)
ab5tract after seeing perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/22-state.html
lambdabot Title: blog | Perlgeek.de Blog :: The State of the implementations
ab5tract well, i'm particularly curious about how it relates to parrot 07:33
the intended sharing nature of them both would make it ironic if they didnt share with each other :)
moritz_ I think we have some 20k to 22k tests now 07:34
but it's hard to obtain real numbers without an implementation that runs them all 07:35
the coverage... even harder to say
maybe 60% to 70% of what is currently in non-draft-synopsis 07:36
pmurias ab5tract: we don't share code at the moment
pmurias i think it will be possible to add a PCT smop backend 07:38
moritz_: you misspelled my name it's Paweł, not Pavel 07:39
moritz_ pmurias: sorry, will fix 07:40
(offline writing)-- 07:41
pmurias v is not part of the polish alphabet by the way ;) 07:42
moritz_ that's all greek to me ;-)
ab5tract glad to hear it 07:47
ab5tract i guess you could say my support of the project hinges on the developers' intentions re: parrot 07:48
pmurias @tell ruoso i think the leak in 21 is cause by a circural reference between the $back register and the back frame
lambdabot Consider it noted.
ab5tract if it is something in the future to take a shine to, then yes
!
with enthusiasm
pmurias ab5tract: support, you mean you intend to contribute? 07:49
ab5tract but if there was a consideration to not integrate with parrot even if such a thing wer possible, would be disappointing
i am intrigued by the concept of smop 07:50
pmurias we intend to integrate with many other vm's with perl5 in particular 07:51
ab5tract what language are the test written in
pmurias mixture of C,m0ld,sm0p and Perl 6
ab5tract is there web docs for m0ld? 07:52
took a look at smop wiki at perlfoundation.org 07:53
and at slides...
pmurias www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index.cgi?smop_mold
lambdabot Title: SMOP Mold / Perl 6
pmurias the yapceurope2008 slides?
if you have any question about m0ld/mold i'll expand the wikipage 07:54
ab5tract i can name the registers whatever i want, right? 07:56
pmurias yes 07:57
ab5tract well, the opcodes part is readable to me as is 07:58
though im not sure how the functionality of $r10 and $r11 are determined. unless... by argument? 07:59
pmurias functionality here means?
slime/sm0p btw is on the way out, so you don't need to bother with it 08:00
ab5tract good to know
pmurias $r10 and $r11 store a SMOP__Object* as all registers 08:01
ab5tract: did you spend time learning slime/sm0p
?
ab5tract no just found out about SMOP tonight 08:02
[01:28am] ab5tract: but i guess they are right. perl 6 is just a smop. 08:03
[01:30am] ab5tract: the object responder interface... that's clean c
[01:30am] ab5tract: "just a macro to a callback", yeah you know nothin serious
[01:33am] ab5tract: will it connect with parrot?
ab5tract oops 08:05
stupid colloquy 08:06
i think it sounds great
20k+ tests isn't snot in tissues 08:07
moritz_ (these tests are the Perl 6 ones, not the smop ones, just to be sure ;)
ab5tract ruby 1.9 is a dependency, interesting 08:08
i've been learning ruby in bleeding-edge ruby land. 08:09
even there ruby 1.9 is not a dependency
:) 08:10
pmurias ruby 1.9 is a problem for you?
ab5tract not at all
i am excited
i know ruby
i was making a joke about how yarv is for some reason shunned by the web development in ruby community 08:11
pmurias we don't use ruby directly, it's used by STD_red the parser used for elf 08:12
ab5tract i see. ruby grammar is a powerful tool, at least in that its got me excited about programming again. 08:13
i expect i will like the two-column variable-namespace-signifier of perl6 quite a bit though 08:15
pmurias: nice talking to you. i will be back later to understand more. 08:18
pmurias see you 08:20
later 08:21
pasteling "flob" at 41.225.0.137 pasted "testing" (1 line, 5B) at sial.org/pbot/32121 09:44
flob some one here ? 09:45
Tene flob: yeah, what's up? 09:50
flob cool :-)
well i'm asking about the cgi irc bot
flob io 10:47
ruoso Hello! 11:28
lambdabot ruoso: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
pmurias ruoso: hi 11:53
ruoso hi pmurias 11:54
pmurias i think will need weak references if we want to solve the leaks with refcounting 11:55
s/will/we will
ruoso pmurias, I've sort of implemented it in mold 11:57
if mold receives itself to store in a register, it already keeps it as a weak reference...
mold frame, I mean 11:59
moritz_ flob: I
erm
pugs_svn r22204 | pmurias++ | [m0ld] changed identifier syntax in m0ld to letter or '_' + zero or more alphanumerics or '_'s
moritz_ I'm the one to ask about the logging bot
pmurias ruoso: but it works only on self-references 12:00
ruoso indeed..
do you think we have deeper circular references? 12:01
pmurias yes
rakudo_svn r30980 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Add argumentless ... stubby exception generator.
pmurias outerframe -> Code -> innerframe -> outerframe
pmurias ruoso: is there a way to print the reference counter at any given point? 12:05
s/any given point//
ruoso yes... it is stored in the obj->data struct
ruoso pmurias, I've solved that kind of circularity in slime by having the "forget" operator 12:07
but it's not the proper way of fixing it, I know... 12:10
flob moritz_ 12:14
flob you are the one i search i think 12:14
moritz_ can you help with installation ? 12:16
moritz_ flob: perhaps. But I don
't ahve access to the sources right now
(and a keyboard that I'm not used to, as you might see ;)
flob grr 12:17
i have d/l what you have on your site one by one lol
moritz_ why?
you can get it from SVN 12:18
flob and what is SUN ?
moritz_ subversion, a version control system 12:19
flob i want what i can upload on a cgi dir 12:21
moritz_ you need cgi/ and /lib 12:23
and database.conf
do you have shell access on that machine?
flob sure no!
so we need this ? :/ 12:24
moritz_ well yes, you have to start the logging bot somehow
flob if i have shell access i'll got for an eggdrop
moritz_ can't parse that sentence 12:25
flob no i want a bot withtout any shell access 12:26
moritz_ well, good luck
problem is, a bot has to be always running, and you can't achieve that reliably from a CGI script 12:27
flob understand
flob ty mf for help anyway :) 12:28
pmurias ruoso: do you have a dual core machine? 12:31
rakudo_svn r30982 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Make split method a little more liberal about the multi parameters it takes, so $*IN.slurp.split(...) will work. 12:38
rakudo_svn r30983 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] $(), @() and %() now mean the same as $($/), @($/) and %($/), as per S05. 13:18
pugs_svn r22205 | jnthn++ | [spectest] Unfudge a test that Rakudo now passes. 13:23
pugs_svn r22206 | pmurias++ | [smop] added my $interpreter;my $scope; to .m0ld files 14:09
rakudo_svn r30985 | moritz++ | Enable parallel testing in rakudo. 14:37
r30985 | moritz++ | Patch courtesy by Michael Schwern and Ron Schmidt
rakudo_svn r30987 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Fix !OUTER, so things like if 'foo' ~~ /o/ { say $/ } will now work. Since !OUTER no longer seems to produce exceptions after this fix, we'll try not wrapping it in an exception handler any more and see what comes of that - none of spectest_regression depends on it. 15:07
pugs_svn r22207 | jnthn++ | [spectest] Untodo a test Rakudo now passes, but also make it not dependent on being able to auto-increment undef (since we're not actually testing that here). 15:17
rakudo_svn r30988 | moritz++ | [rakudo] tools/autounfudge.pl: skip a few more files by default 16:11
pmurias @tell ruoso do you think it makes sense to add MARK to the RI and add a SMOP_MARK macro? 16:53
lambdabot Consider it noted.
pugs_svn r22208 | moritz++ | [t/spec] cleaned some tests on contextual scoping 17:12
r22209 | jnthn++ | [spectest] Un-skip some regex tests that Rakudo can now pass. 17:23
rakudo_svn r30989 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Re-work implementation of ... a bit. 17:31
pugs_svn r22210 | moritz++ | [t/spec] start to fudge quoting.t for rakudo 17:44
ab5tract download link on pugscode.org returns 404: rakudo.org/perl6/index.cgi?download_perl_6
moritz_ ab5tract: would you like a commit bit to fix it? 17:46
rakudo_svn r30990 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Methods written outside of a class, grammar or role should not be allowed unless they are anonymous. 17:47
r30991 | moritz++ | [rakudo] implement qq qw and q quoting forms 17:52
pugs_svn r22211 | ab5tract++ | fixed download link on homepage 18:05
moritz_ ab5tract++ # first commit 18:06
ab5tract :) 18:10
here comes another
pugs_svn r22212 | ab5tract++ | fixed the perl6 wiki link
rakudo_svn r30993 | moritz++ | [rakudo] refactored qq, qw, q parsing to be more efficient 18:25
pugs_svn r22213 | moritz++ | [t/spec] more quoting test[t/spec] more quoting testss 18:36
r22214 | moritz++ | [t/spec] more and corrected quoting tests 18:40
pmichaud note to smop developers: sometime this week I'm planning to restart the "This Week in Perl 6" series, to describe what's happening with Perl 6. Since I don't follow 'smop' too closely, I'd be very happy to include any news or reports of smop development. I'm going to try to write reports weekly on Sunday evenings (but it may back off to biweekly). 18:50
same for anyone else working on Perl 6 related activities
pugs_svn r22215 | moritz++ | [t/spec] many test fixes, mostly related to undef 18:53
pugs_svn r22216 | moritz++ | [t/spec] more test corrections wrt undef 19:06
pugs_svn r22217 | moritz++ | [t/spec] fixed return.t 19:11
pugs_svn r22218 | moritz++ | [t/spec] more test fixes wrt undef 19:18
r22219 | moritz++ | [t/spec] fixed a test 19:26
rakudo_svn r30994 | moritz++ | [rakudo] allow $stuff ~~ undef 19:35
pugs_svn r22220 | moritz++ | [t/spec] s/todo/skip/ in assign.t; those tests exhibited bogus passes 19:39
pugs_svn r22221 | moritz++ | [t/spec] partially fudge undef.t for rakudo. Pending fudge bugs. 20:10
r22222 | moritz++ | [t/spec] fudged return.t, all tests should pass again 20:16
pmurias ruoso: got the @tell message? 20:36
ruoso hm... maybe not 20:37
lambdabot ruoso: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
ruoso MARK being?
literal 22222! 20:38
pmurias MARK calling MARK on all the children and marking the object as live (perhaps using a callback)
ruoso ah... as the start of a trace gc... 20:39
pmurias yes 20:40
ruoso heh...
that would belong in the smop_lowlevel.h space
because only the objects that use the default smop lowlevel will use this gc implementation 20:41
but wait...
i've added RELEASE and REFERENCE to SMOP__ResponderInterface
if MARK is a needed infra-structure to support trace gc 20:42
it should belong in SMOP__ResponderInterface as well
rakudo_svn r31002 | moritz++ | [rakudo] fixed Failure.ACCEPTS, pmichaud++
ruoso with no-ops where needed
pmurias, does it make sense? 20:44
pmichaud, about "This Week on Perl 6", I'd be glad to help pointing the news about smop... do you plan to have a wiki or something? or are you planning just to compile news received by mail? 20:46
pugs_svn r22223 | moritz++ | [t/spec] unfudged smartmatch.t a bit for rakudo, +1 new test
ruoso home & # will backlog later, as usual 20:46
pmichaud ruoso: compile news received by mail or other sources 20:49
rakudo_svn r31004 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Fix assigning a proto-object. 21:01
pugs_svn r22224 | moritz++ | [t/spec] more Q:b quoting tests 21:32
pugs_svn r22225 | moritz++ | [t] move unicode.t to spec/ 21:36
r22226 | moritz++ | [t] merged a few tests into spec/ 21:41
pugs_svn r22227 | moritz++ | [t/spec] fixed plan in radix.t, fudged again for rakudo 21:48
pugs_svn r22228 | moritz++ | [t] moved underscores.t to spec/, simplified 21:54
r22229 | moritz++ | [t/spec] fudged underscores.t for rakudo, changed is $a, $b to ok $a == $b for 21:59
r22229 | moritz++ | a few numeric tests (not very consistently, though)
rakudo_svn r31005 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Fix to new in Perl6Object so we don't blow away PMC instances for PMCs we are inheriting from. 22:11
rakudo_svn r31006 | jonathan++ | [rakudo] Clear namespace after we leave one, so later rules don't get attached to earlier grammars. 22:38

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