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lizsac ii libperl5.10 5.10.0-15 Shared Perl library 00:51
i have libperl
i decided to scrap the whole haskel crap and pugs
i'll try out one of the other ones
PerlJam told me to do the rakudo 00:52
wayland76 rakudo is what I'm using 01:05
However, I should warn you that, unless getting it from SVN, the next version of parrot/rakudo is expected to come out on the Parrot website sometime today or tomorrow 01:06
(but then, I tend to download the tarball, and build it into an RPM, and go from there)
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wayland76 btw, people, I have a scalar (actually a PGE::Match) that can act as a hash, and I'm trying to do something like: for $M -> $k1, $v1 01:08
(where $M is the scalar/hash in question)
Should that work?
Ok, here's another question instead; if I have an object $M, is there a way I can get $IM to refer to what $M refers to, and then reassign $M for another purpose? 01:23
lizsac: Correction, the new version of Parrot just came out :) 01:24
YAY!
==================> PARROT PARTY TIME EVERYONE <======================================
:)
Hmm. I guess it hasn't come through CPAN yet :) 01:28
lizsac i just downloaded and built some parrot 01:29
i dunno if it's the latest
it compiled pretty quick
so if i just did a svn checkout of parrot i got the new one? 01:30
FireMinion the latest one, so yes 01:31
lizsac ok so i built parrot now what 01:33
FireMinion what you want to do? 01:34
lizsac create some perl6 scripts!
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wayland76 the latest parrot was 0.7.1, but is now 0.8.0. But SVN is even more up-to-date 02:09
But I insist on having all my software in RPM, and the RPM takes a long time to build
so I just use the releases :)
Anyway, hopefully in the process of building parrot, you'll also have gotten a perl6 executeable 02:10
If not, I have to admit I don't know how you'd get one, although going to the languages/perl6 directory and building there would probably be a step in the right direction
Then, you create a perl6 script, and run "perl6 scriptname" 02:11
Btw, I'm near Geelong, near Melbourne in Australia 02:12
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wayland76 Where are the other awake people? 02:12
:)
diakopter wayland76: they are here in this channel 02:13
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wayland76 diakopter: I know that, but I was wondering what country/timezone they're in (if they're happy to tell me -- I don't mind if people want to keep it secret :) ) 02:15
( diakopter: but that's exactly the sort of thing I'd say myself :) ) 02:16
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lizsac parrot: error while loading shared libraries: libparrot.so.0.8.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 02:31
i installed parrot in /usr/local
do i need to setup some kind of env vars to get it to see the libs?
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wayland76 hmm. Have you run ldconfig since compiling? 02:43
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lizsac nope 02:46
Parrot VM: Can't stat perl6.pbc, code 2. 02:47
main: Packfile loading failed
heh i rand ldconfig now i get that
parrot perl6.pbc hash.pl
that's the command i'm trying
aah unless i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH 02:52
wayland76 Have you tried perl6 hash.pl
?
lizsac no
command not found
wayland76 ok, depends on build options I guess
anyway, I'm glad you thought of the LD_LIBRARY_PATH 02:53
lizsac i just followed what they said on the parrot getting started page
wayland76 That would've taken me a while
ok :)
lizsac and then i read the readme and saw the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
But please note that dynamic libs will not be found for non-standard 02:54
locations unless you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or similar.
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johnjohn101 hello 02:54
FireMinion hey
johnjohn101 where can I read about the most recent progress for perl 6? 02:55
wayland76 Depends on what level of detail you want
FireMinion they just release the latest version
www.parrot.org/news/2008/Parrot-0.8...=node%2F48 02:56
lambdabot Title: Parrot 0.8.0, "Pareto principle" released! | Parrot VM, tinyurl.com/5soy3g
wayland76 There are three or four competing implementations of Perl6, but the one that seems to be both the most complete and progressing well is rakudo
www.rakudo.org/ 02:57
FireMinion for now :)
lambdabot Title: Rakudo.org:
wayland76 Its latest release is bundled with Parrot
which FireMinion just gave you the link for :)
johnjohn101 why so many implementations?
wayland76 Because people couldn't agree :)
But I think it'll converge down to two in the near future 02:58
(well, within the next year)
lizsac still can't run it
hrmm
wayland76 Pugs is the first one, but it's written in Haskell, and so people have trouble with that
lizsac Parrot VM: Can't stat perl6.pbc, code 2.
what does that mean?
wayland76 lizsac: What's the error now? If it's long, use the pastebot :)
Oh 02:59
lizsac is it not finding perl6.pbc?
wayland76 yes
but not sure what code 2 is :)
lizsac yeah it's not in there
wtf is perl6.pbc?
wayland76 Hmm. Well, that needs fixing.
johnjohn101 thanks, I think i have what I was looking for
wayland76 Have you investigated doing a build in the languages/perl6 directory
lizsac doing a build? 03:00
ahh like make perl6 ?
wayland76 johnjohn101: Rakudo is the one built on Parrot, and the one that I think will eventually develop into the main perl6
lizsac that would make sense i guess :)
wayland76 lizsac: languages/perl6/README
that has directions, I think 03:01
oh, wait.. :)
yeah, that README will help :)
johnjohn101 i'm probably not going to mess with it until it's released. I am still loving perl 5.
but I was curious,
wayland76 johnjohn101: The current estimate for the 1.0 release is Christmas 03:02
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lizsac is there a way i can set a prefix dir for installing perl6 ? 03:04
johnjohn101 very cool. I hope to look at it in 2009. i'm sure it will be well received
lizsac i want to put it in /usr/local
lizsac reads the Makefile
wayland76 johnjohn101: You may also be interested in svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk/language...l6/ROADMAP 03:06
That's the plan for what happens next in Perl6
lizsac hrmm don't see a way to install perl6 into /usr/local
wayland76 but it was written in August, so there's been some progress
lizsac do i have to manually move it in there? 03:07
wayland76 lizsac: That doesn't sound right. Mine doesn't have a makefile right there; let me have a look around...
johnjohn101 tx wayland76
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wayland76 lizsac: have a look at parrot.spec (which is for building RPMS), and do a search for "make" 03:09
johnjohn101: No worries :). I was doing the same thing a year ago :) 03:10
lizsac: See the one that says make reallyinstall DESTDIR=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
that might be worth a go :)
lizsac i already did that
wayland76 but try it with DESTDIR=/tmp/testwhatever 03:11
ok, and what happened?
lizsac ohh i mean i did a prefix in the config
hrmm
i already installed parrot in /usr/local
wayland76 ...but now it will have more files to install? 03:12
(I'm guessing here)
back in 10, hopefully :) & 03:13
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wayland76 back :) 03:16
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lizsac how do i install perl6 after i've compiled it? 03:19
ohh ohh i see 03:20
like compile parrot then compile perl6 then make install parrot? 03:21
wayland76 I hope so :)
that's the sort of thing I was assuming
lizsac hrmm
wayland76 (although rpmbuild -ta parrot.tar.gz is a little simpler, but takes longer)
lizsac i don't have rpms
wayland76 yeah, I know 03:22
RPMs have advantages :) (and disadvantages, I guess :) )
lizsac it looks like it's in /usr/local/languages/perl6/perl6.pbc 03:23
does parrot look there by default for .pbc files? 03:24
wayland76 Hmm. No idea 03:25
lizsac also do i need to put anything in the top line of the perl script?
you know like #!/usr/local/bin/perl
wayland76 The stuff at the top of the perl script is only necessary if you don't want to type the extra on the command line
For example, if you have a perl5 script called test.pl 03:26
if you run "perl test.pl", you don't need the #! line
...but if you want to run it as just "test.pl", then you do
The #! line is utterly ignored by perl, and only the operating system takes any notice 03:28
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TimToady actually, no, perl looks at the #! line anyway 03:32
wayland76 Does it? 03:33
ok, there we go
TimToady is the expert here
literal wayland76: some options have to be set on the command line, setting them on the #! line can be too late 03:34
in Perl 5 anyway
wayland76 ok :)
TimToady like -T
wayland76 oh, of course :)
I remember reading that about -T
Anyway, to answer the original question, I'm currently using perl6 without the #! lines :) 03:35
TimToady I doubt rakudo pays attention to #!, but I don't know for sure 03:37
wayland76 great! We can pool our ignorance then :) 03:38
FireMinion heh
wayland76 Anyway, I have things that need doing, so unfortunately I'll have to leave your conversation to scintillate without me :) 03:48
lizsac well i know where perl6.pbc is but parrot doesn't
wayland76 lizsac: Have you tried putting the path in?
(ie. parrot /usr/local/languages/perl6/perl6.pbc example.pl) 03:49
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lizsac parrot /usr/local/languages/perl6/perl6.pbc hash.pl 03:49
Statement not terminated properly at line 7, near ". kv->$gir"
eternaleye Heh, www.parrotcode.org/release/devel is a lottery ticket 03:54
I 403'd at secsup and 404'd at datapipe before hitting a good mirror 03:56
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lizsac yay i ran my first perl6 script 04:08
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lizsac perl6 say.pl 04:16
Hello World
heh
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eternaleye That's odd. zlin.dk/p/?YWY4ZjAw 04:44
lambdabot Title: K-nopaste
eternaleye While making "./perl6" 04:45
My memory was nowhere near full, nor my ulimit - I have 2gb ram and 4gb swap, and my ulimit is set to match 04:47
It never even swapped out 04:48
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eternaleye This error occurs in "make languages": zlin.dk/p/?YThiZTU1 04:58
lambdabot Title: K-nopaste
lizsac i just did a make perl6 05:00
didn't know you could make languages
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eternaleye I'm trying to make an ebuild for gentoo - the newest one in the tree is 0.6.1 :( 05:09
It happens in "make reallyinstall" too
lizsac ahh
well i know that making an ebuild is good practice but when it comes to development environments i try to keep them seperate from the system 05:10
i usually do from source and keep them in /usr/local without root privs
eternaleye I'm just wanting to submit it on bugzilla to be put in the tree so more people on gentoo will try it :D 05:19
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lizsac yeah it's crazy when i first upgraded to 5.10 and started getting into the features i found that it's been around for years and same with perl6 05:32
but yet it's not streamlined
i keep hearing too much talk about ruby and python 05:33
i'm going to check them out but i think perl6 deserves a chance too 05:34
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ab5tract lizsac: perl6 deserves a chance but parrot makes it dance 06:00
parrot.has %w( ruby python perl6 ) == 'perfect' 06:01
parrot.has %w( ruby python perl6 perl5 ) == 'perfect++' 06:02
lizsac so parrot is king in this matter? 06:04
eternaleye If it isn't now, it will be then. 06:06
lizsac i was looking at some of these .pir deals
wtf is .pir
eternaleye Parrot Intermediate Representation
Higher-level than PASM, which is higher-level than PBC (Parrot Byte Code). All are lower-level than Perl 6 06:07
www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index...al_and_faq
lambdabot Title: PIR Tutorial and FAQ / Parrot, tinyurl.com/5mhdqv 06:08
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[particle] lizsac: parrot is a virtual machine. pir is the language humans use to program at the virtual machine level. it's like assembler for the vm, but with some sugar that makes it easier on the eyes. 13:22
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IllvilJa Hello! Planet perl 6 (planet6 14:31
(oops... hit return too early)... Planet perl 6 (planetsix.perl.org) has a lot of entries recently that do NOT relate to Perl 6 at all. 14:32
Anyone here who has any "hooks" into the RSS aggregation for that site who can have a look if the proper RSS feeds are used?\ 14:33
moritz_ IllvilJa: since it's a perl.org site, you should contact webmaster at perl.org. 14:39
IllvilJa: i guess that Geoff's blog should be filtered by tag or something
IllvilJa Yes. I'll bring it up with them. (I was hoping some of those guys were around here, yes, I confess, I am a bit lazy at times) 14:40
moritz_ I think they tend to hang out in #p5p, if at all on IRC. 14:43
IllvilJa Ok! 14:44
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[particle] emailing [email@hidden.address] is probably the best way to get their attention 15:01
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moritz_ can I extend a class lexically scoped? 15:03
ie add a method List.foo that's only visible in the current scope? 15:04
'my sub foo(@List:, $other, $args) { ... }' perhaps?
[particle] s/sub/method/ 15:05
not sure if lexical methods have been implemented though, i'd have to run the code
moritz_ I'm quite sure they aren't in rakudo 15:06
not even lexical subs are
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meppl good evening 16:37
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cognominal 1 loop; # is this an infinite loop or an error? 16:54
moritz_ in Perl 6? an error 16:55
std: 1 loop; 16:56
p6eval std 22696: OUTPUT[parse failureā¤]
cognominal std: 1 while 1; 17:01
p6eval std 22696: OUTPUT[parsedā¤]
cognominal i see them as synonyms 17:02
[particle] std: loop 1;
p6eval std 22696: OUTPUT[parse failureā¤]
cognominal std loop { 1 }
[particle] hands cog a :
cognominal std: loop { 1 } 17:03
p6eval std 22696: OUTPUT[parsedā¤]
PerlJam std: loop;
p6eval std 22696: OUTPUT[Unknown routines:ā¤ loop called at 1 ā¤parsedā¤]
cognominal this is loopy...
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ruoso Hello! 17:20
moritz_ hi ruoso ;) 17:21
ruoso hi moritz_
TimToady loop is not allowed as a statement modifier 17:34
it doesn't read well in English, and it's just too easy to not see 17:36
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TimToady cognominal_: loop is just too unusual and lightweight to serve as "change what the left side means" control flow 17:38
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pugs_svn r22697 | azawawi++ | css is moved to STD_syntax_highlight.css and is not inlined when --clean-html is used 18:53
r22697 | azawawi++ | fixed empty arguments check
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avar u.nix.is/fuck-sexy-girls-near-undefined.png <- /me tries to remember what language stringifies undef to "undefined" 19:13
Maybe it's just the image library they're using 19:14
masak hasn't been to undefined yet 19:15
seems like a nice place
Khisanth javascript!
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ruoso azawawi, how do I run STD_syntax_highlight? 19:19
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pmurias ruoso: like STD5_dump_match 19:20
ruoso: hi
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ruoso hi pmurias 19:22
pmurias ruoso: the viv tree is a bit different from the Match in places what works best for me when trying to understand how to implement something is to first look at the output of STD5_dump_match and then at the viv tree (should be both included with the --debug option to mildew) 19:28
util/gen_STD_ctags.pl helps when looking at STD.pm 19:29
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ruoso pmurias, I've been thinking... and there's a good reason for having the built-in types written in plain Perl 6 instead of the 'my $class = ::p6opaque.CREATE()' idiom 19:34
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ruoso if we make it plain Perl 6, it can be used by other implementations.. 19:34
if we make it with the specific idiom, we'll be completely smop-specific 19:35
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TimToady hmm, obvioulsy Object should stringify to U+FFFC OBJECT REPLACEMENT CHARACTER 19:53
*obviously
pity there's no JUNCTION REPLACEMENT CHARACTER...
moritz_ ;) 19:54
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ruoso wonders how Object looks like 19:54
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TimToady dunno, my font doesn't have it... 19:54
moritz_ class Object is boring { ... };
ruoso speaking of complements to class Object... 19:55
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ruoso TimToady, I think there needs to be a "class Foo meta Bar {...}" 19:55
that says that the metaclass for Foo is Bar
moritz_ in my font it's just the letter OBJ in a dashed frame
ruoso trying to remember how gnome accepts input of arbitrary unicode characters 19:56
ļæ¼
moritz_ xterm uses a quite different one than gucharmap 19:58
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ruoso Ctrl+Shift+U + code 19:59
Ctrl+Shift+U, code
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pmurias ruoso: other implementations will propably also use a REPR api of some sort 20:14
masak say I want to add a method to class X, but the method name is in a scalar variable $new_method. how would I do that, apart from eval'ing a string?
pmurias ruoso: and the REPR api is supposed to be standard
ruoso: other implemenation = parrot,elf,pugs? pugs is dead untill audreyt resurrects it, elf could be easily influenced to use whatever we want by implementing it and parrot will likely do the metamodel in pir/C 20:17
and it's even less likely the other implementation will have a bootstrap the metamodel mode in the compiler 20:18
pugs_svn r22698 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] resources are now in ../ when --clean-html is used 20:19
ruoso masak, the MOP api should provide the interface to do that 20:22
masak sounds good.
ruoso pmurias, the REPR api is not a standard, at least not yet... it's something smop specific...
ruoso later & will backlog, as usual... 20:24
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pugs_svn r22699 | moritz++ | [docs] delete donate.pugscode.org, since it's hopelessly out of date. 20:33
pmurias masak: it would be something like MyClass.HOW.add_method($new_method,method {...}) 20:34
masak pmurias: oh, so you can use the method keyword like that, in the middle of an expression? 20:39
moritz_ std: my $x = method { ... }
p6eval std 22699: OUTPUT[Unknown routines:ā¤ method called at 0 ā¤parsedā¤]
moritz_ obviously STD.pm doesn't like anonymous methods 20:40
pmurias masak: yes, STD currently parses it incorrectly
masak oki.
pmurias you can also use a sub
masak I see.
pmurias with the invocant being mapped to the first positional
masak but declaring methods outside of classes is still disallowed, yes?
moritz_ but will the 'self' keyword work within a sub?
S12 has two examples of anonymous methods (at least) 20:41
S12:286 and S12:289
masak thanks. moritz_++
moritz_ ack++
moritz_ should make an alias specack='cd ~/pugs/docs/Perl6/Spec; ack' 20:42
masak moritz_: do it! 20:43
then you can answer my impertinent questions even faster :)
moritz_ we need a specack-bot!
masak aye 20:44
and what a success it would be :)
moritz_ hey, its line numbers could directly link to the HTML output...
moritz_ senses the opportunity for endless tweaking, for about 3 users a day, if at all ;) 20:45
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pugs_svn r22700 | lwall++ | [STD] allow anonymous methods for moritz++ et al. 20:46
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masak std: my $x = method { ... } 20:52
p6eval std 22700: OUTPUT[Unknown routines:ā¤ method called at 0 ā¤parsedā¤]
masak maybe I'm too quick on the trigger...
moritz_ masak: STD.pm isn't recompiled very often on the server... perhaps once per hour, or even less frequent 20:53
[particle]1 yes, sholud be hourly
masak makes sense.
[particle]1 so, try in 10 minutes or so
moritz_ [particle]1: do you have access on that server? ;-)
[particle]1 supposedly, but i've never attempted anything 20:54
moritz_ 0-59/18 * * * * sh /home/evalenv/build-std.sh >> ~/std.log 2>&1
[particle]1: that's not feather, but timtowtdi.org
[particle]1 ah
[particle]1 <== clueless()
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pugs_svn r22701 | moritz++ | [t] move instance.t to spec/, some small updates. 20:59
r22701 | moritz++ | Also updated deprecated-syntax.pod
pmurias TimToady: <== is parsed as a <= with the = meta operator 21:02
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pmurias it would be nice if free cpu cycles where automaticly devoted to rebuilding evalbot backends 21:05
pugs_svn r22702 | moritz++ | [t/spec] some fudging of instance.t, and small corrections 21:07
r22703 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] Right-aligned the syntax tree div and it is collapsed by default 21:09
r22703 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] Added Expand/Collapse and Help buttons along with keep results onclick functionality
r22704 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] Fixed css/divs to work with previous commit 21:13
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[particle]1 azawawi: i'm really digging the syntax highlighter 21:14
azawawi [particle]1: thx 21:15
right now loading so many spans can cause firefox to use like 450MB when closing the tab... -> jquery cleaning mouseover events from <span> tags 21:18
chrome does not exibit the same problem
[particle]1 yikes
azawawi Perl6 is pushing jQuery and browsers to their limits ;-) 21:19
STD_syntax_highlight does take a lot of CPU time especially on t/spec/..../rx.t 21:21
moritz_ azawawi: are the syntax hilighted test files online somewhere? 21:22
azawawi sial.org/pbot/32762
lambdabot Title: Paste #32762 from "azawawi" at 212.38.144.4
[particle]1 azawawi: you need to blog about this
azawawi feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/html/
lambdabot Title: Index of /~azawawi/html
azawawi 5486 secs for rx.t -> rx.html 21:24
avg secs for generating an html is like 30 secs 21:27
masak ooh! azawawi++ # html files
moritz_ tries how long it takes for STD.pm itself
azawawi avg 16 secs if we exclude rx.html generation
masak azawawi: something strange happens when hovering over comments. you're probably already aware of that. 21:28
pmurias an emty tooltip is displayed 21:29
* empty
azawawi really?
masak: which one?
masak all of them, so far
[particle]1 and the tooltip is always anchored to top, rather than top of visible screen
i get statementlist for pod 21:30
[particle]1 checks comments...
azawawi is currently generating another round of improved htmls....
masak azawawi: it would also be worthwhile not to change the size of the spans when hovering on them. right now things jump around just a little. 21:31
pmurias azawawi: would a lightweight no-tooltip mode be usefull? i have an idea how to do it?
s/?$//
masak adding an invisible border to all spans should be enough.
azawawi those are already fixed... generating ;-)
masak :)
azawawi++
azawawi is waiting for sample S02 to finish 21:32
[particle]1 trouble here: feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/html/S11-...xport.html 21:33
lambdabot Title: STD_syntax_highlight ../../t/spec/S11-modules/export.t
[particle]1 see ## exp_no_parens 21:34
moritz_ [particle]1: you mean that the comment is parsed together with the preceeding block? 21:35
azawawi right now we're not getting pod comment nodes from STD.pm
[particle]1 yes, as opposed to the other comments
right, no pod parsing in STD (yet)
moritz_ [particle]1: I don't think that a <.ws> at the end of a rule means trouble
[particle]1 moritz_: i'd argue that a block should end at the first \n 21:36
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moritz_ [particle]1: I don't know enough about parsing to counter that argument ;) 21:37
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masak the parsing of === in the same file looks suspicious. 21:37
moritz_ aye, it's parsed as == =
[particle]1 yes, it's somewhat odd that === and <== parse differently than =:=
but, there's no =: op 21:38
so it has no other way to parse than =:=
moritz_ infix:<==> infix_postfix_meta_op<=>
masak I don't want excuses, I want results! :P
moritz_ azawawi++ # helping to identify parse errors with his shiny tool
[particle]1 you have a pugs commit bit, masak :)
masak true. 21:39
I also have homework...
moritz_ I don't want excuses, I want ...
[particle]1 sheesh, i've heard that before... from moritz!
masak :)
in all fairness, moritz_ does produce results. 21:40
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[particle]1 masak: expect namespace export/import to work soon in rakudo
pugs_svn r22705 | moritz++ | [t] move oo/can.t to spec/, and cleared up misleading test descriptions
masak [particle]1: yes, I've read about the good news. 21:41
[particle]1 good
masak not sure exactly what it means, though. 21:42
does it mean :: will start working for classes again?
we got sort of attached to that feature while it worked :)
[particle]1 it means, for example, module Test { sub plan is export() {...} }; <different file> use Test; plan(...) #works 21:43
masak that's good.
azawawi i uploaded the latest S02 htmls into feather.perl6.nl/~azawawi/html/S02-...ata_types. Can anyone test it since i have a stupid ISP caching proxy :-( ?
lambdabot Title: Index of /~azawawi/html/S02-builtin_data_types
[particle]1 which also means many pir subs can be rewritten in perl 6
masak yes, I think someone mentioned that. 21:44
moritz_ masak: are you aware of any other feature that you came attached to, and that's under-tested?
masak moritz_: well, it sucks that we don't have enough integer precision to use the bitwise operators for arbritary unsigned 24-bit integers 21:45
[particle]1 azawawi++ looks great!
moritz_ azawawi: the syntax tree doesn't show up for me (FF 2)
masak for me neither
azawawi moritz_: you have to enable it first 21:46
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[particle]1 hit the button! 21:46
azawawi ;-)
masak azawawi: things still jump around due to the borders on the hovered elements.
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moritz_ azawawi: I pressed the button. Nothing happend. Same for "Help" 21:46
masak button doesn't work here.
[particle]1 yes, i see subtle (1px?) movements
masak Help!
[particle]1: aye.
azawawi i didnt use ff2 for testing 21:47
ff3
masak they're fixable, by adding invisible borders to everything
lizsac the button froze my firefox 21:49
azawawi i think jquery cleans span mouseover events from span elements recursively on window.unload that's why F5 causing FF3 to hiccup...
lizsac when i pressed unhide
[particle]1 hee, my ff is using 1.2GB now :)
azawawi show -> bind mouseover to all nodes, hide -> unbinds... 21:50
lizsac mines taking a dive
azawawi 15 secs max
lizsac heh my laptop is a pIII 21:51
azawawi lizsac: the funny thing is that dev google chrome is really faster on *.unbind... No problems there.
lizsac at least there was a stop script dialog that saved me 21:52
azawawi lizsac: jquery cleans automatically on window.unload...
lizsac yeah still waiting for the google chrome to be released for freebsd!
[particle]1 or maybe you should be running android 21:53
lizsac i couldn't get android to work
i wanted to start making android apps but never got the emulator working 21:54
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lizsac though my java ide is oracle's jdeveloper 21:54
it has really nice buttons 21:56
azawawi: ever play with php? 21:58
azawawi lizsac: nop
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lizsac force kills his firefox 22:00
azawawi i think i should be attaching mouseover events to nodes with actual text child nodes to reduce strain on browsers... 22:01
lizsac i'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem
it's just i only have 512mb of ram 22:02
and a pIII
on this laptop
moritz_ that doesn't mean that we should strain the user's browser more than necessary
azawawi lizsac: it took like 450mb to exit on my 2gb laptop [Firefox 3.0.3]
lizsac yeah it's amazing i have xorg even running with firefox in the first place 22:03
azawawi remembers moritz_++'s earlier talk about having so many <span>s ;-) 22:04
moritz_ lizsac: not quite; three or four years ago 512mb where standard, and people used it with FF and x.org or xfree86. Nothing special about it. 22:05
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lizsac 512mb was standard maybe 10 years ago 22:06
heh
moritz_ not for a poor student ;) 22:07
lizsac are poor students even considred a standard?
[particle]1 :)
moritz_ by poor students, yes.
moritz_ seriously doubts that 10 years ago any consumer PC had 512mb RAM 22:08
lizsac i found a 19" LCD by the dumpster in the parking garage a few weeks back 22:09
had a bad svga cable
i keep finding stuff out there 22:10
i need to stop dragging crap back to my apartment
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lizsac lemme see what are we talking about 98 22:11
yeah i remember everyone oogling over my p200 with 512MB ram! 22:12
i could buildworld in under 12hrs 22:15
moritz_ wow, STD_syntax_highlight took 12 minutes to hilight STD.pm 22:17
azawawi dev.jquery.com/ticket/2586
lambdabot Title: #2586 (Firefox3b4 hangs on page leave) - jQuery - Development
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azawawi moritz_: how many nodes for STD.pm? 22:18
moritz_: it will be shown on the right when you load it the first time...
moritz_ 77k iirc 22:19
now FF uses 1GB RAM
azawawi moritz_: 1GB when events are bound or at startup?
moritz_ now. After I clicked "show syntax tree" 22:20
77071 nodes
azawawi wonders if moritz_ can share it so he can test it 22:21
moritz_ sure, just a second..
actually the syntax tree does work. It's just awefully slow. 22:22
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moritz_ azawawi: moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/STD.pm.html.gz there you go 22:23
azawawi is testing it over chrome... 22:24
moritz_ speaking of going... need to go to bed now :(
azawawi me 2 it is 1:24 AM here ;-) 22:25
moritz_ sleep well ;)
[particle]1 you should come here, it's only 3:25p
TimToady yeah, but here it's 3:25p and warm 22:26
[particle]1 :P 22:27
i'll be in your neighborhood on friday
TimToady thanks, I'll watch out :)
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meppl good night 23:51
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