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Set by mncharity on 25 January 2009.
meppl good night 01:00
literal perl6: "foo \99" 02:11
p6eval rakudo f99045: OUTPUT«\123 form deprecated, use \o123 instead at line 1, near "foo \\99\""␤␤current instr.: 'parrot;PGE;Util;die' pc 129 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)␤»
..elf 25216: RESULT«"foo\ 99"␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«pugs: Error: Invalid escape sequence \99; write as decimal \c99 or octal \o99 instead␤»
literal heh, \o99? silly pugs 02:12
nety350 how to replace an (,) by an dot on an file with an regex? 04:44
nety350 anyone ? 04:45
alester ? 04:46
nety350 because I need to divide this after... 04:47
mberends coffee++ 08:11
masak in the interests of 'release early', here's the proto installer I talked about yesterday: github.com/masak/proto/ 10:35
it currently detects if you have Parrot and Rakudo installed, otherwise it installs them for you.
it's _very_ primitive, but it Works On My System 10:36
be happy to receive reports from other Perl 6 developers that it works for them too.
there are two ways to test it:
1. running the shell script with Parrot and Rakudo installed. the script should immediately exit successfully.
2. running the script after hiding the value of $PARROT_DIR. the script should download and install Parrot and Rakudo, and exit successfully. 10:37
I'm a bash script ignoramus, so I'd appreciate review of the script itself as well. 10:39
kthxbai.
szabgab masak, who or what else is using PARROT_DIR and is it defined somewhere where should it point to ? 11:24
masak szabgab: I'll have to think about that a bit. we use it in November.
perl6-examples also uses it. 11:25
szabgab what is perl6-examples?
masak but I'm not sure whether it originated there or whether it's a Parrot standard.
szabgab: github.com/eric256/perl6-examples/
contains some really cool stuff.
szabgab thanks I'll look at it
in Padre we require a PARROT_PATH variable to point to the root of the checked out trunk of parrot 11:26
masak that's what we call PARROT_DIR
szabgab so I'll change the name to PARROT_DIR 11:27
masak szabgab++
szabgab but I'd really like it people writing perl 6 code would check out padre and the perl 6 plugin
masak hm, Druid also uses it. I can't think of who first introduced it in November. maybe viklund.
szabgab: I'm on Mac OS X. is there any way I can use Padre? 11:28
szabgab there were some success reports on Mac though it is generally still a pain
mainly due to wxwidgets issues 11:29
masak that, along with general Emacs addiction, keeps me from using Padre right now.
but yes, I should give it a shot.
szabgab actually Teejay is quite close to an emacs plugin for Padre 11:30
masak szabgab: I'm sure you mean well, but... :)
szabgab do you sometimes write extensions to emacs? 11:31
masak no, I haven't gotten that far yet. but I think about it sometimes. 11:32
last summer I delved deeper into Emacs, with great results.
but it takes time.
I'm also a very satisfied vim user. come to think of it, I do most of my Perl 6 coding in vim.
szabgab so what if you wrote your editor extensions in perl 5 or perl 6 ? 11:33
masak szabgab: I... ooh! :) 11:34
masak will consider the implications of this
SamB doesn't think trying to integrate perl and elisp is the greatest idea ? 11:35
masak SamB: build it, and they will come.
lunch & 11:36
Matt-W I tried to learn elisp once, but I couldn't handle the syntax 11:49
SamB Matt-W: it HAS that ? 12:10
mberends </lurk> masak++ # proto 12:31
masak, we'll make a bash hacker out of you yet! 12:33
masak :)
mberends: just found Configure in the perl5.10.0 install tarball.
I'll be able to steal a few ideas from there. 12:34
mberends: btw, whether you want it or not, I'm adding you as a committer to proto. :)
moritz_: you too.
mberends :)
masak eric256: you too.
mberends <lurk afk="true"> 12:35
moritz_ masak: what is proto? 12:38
masak moritz_: see logs from yesterday. it's a build system. 12:39
github.com/masak/proto
please, everyone, give it a whirl and see that it works on your box. 12:40
szabgab: I'm adding you too.
moritz_ masak: nice
masak moritz_: thank you. :)
moritz_ won't protest against commit privileges 12:41
masak moritz_: good, 'cus you already have them.
I'm learning bash scripting on the go. :)
moritz_: do you know where the env variable PARROT_DIR originated? the first mention of it in November is August 20th, when it was renamed from PARROT_PATH to PARROT_DIR without explanation. 12:45
I'm curious whether November got it from somewhere or if it originated there.
moritz_ masak: no idea, but it seems sensible to rename it from path to dir 12:46
masak aye.
I guess I'll just have to ask viklund. 12:47
Matt-W SamB: yes of course it has syntax... the problem with lisp-like syntax is that it consists almost entirely of ( and ) 13:08
masak Matt-W: I found that to be a problem in the beginning as well. 13:09
turns out the secret to handling that lies in good indentation practices.
(as well as having an editor that does paren highlighting, but all decent editors do that, right?) 13:10
Matt-W which, actually, applies to a lot of language
masak _especially_ python.
Matt-W C++ needs good indentation to be readable
heh yes, Python just happens to enforce it
Haskell does too, although there's a non-indenty syntax available as well
moritz_ that's quite cool having both syntaxes available 13:11
Matt-W yeah
the thing is though
cls_bsd agree
Matt-W most people who use the non-indenty one seem to lay it out almost exactly like they were using the offside rule syntax 13:12
so I don't quite see the point, as they're just using extra characters to say the same thing
But if it keeps them happy...
masak :)
moritz_ Matt-W: it always makes me happy if I do things voluntarily, and not because I'm force to 13:13
masak Matt-W: do you have a github account?
Matt-W I don't see why syntactically-significant indentation is such a strong issue with some people
pugs_svn r25217 | hinrik++ | [util/perl6.vim] allow m// to take adverbs starting with a digit, also highlight almost all Perl 5 regex constructs in m:P5//
Matt-W it's not like C gives you any options about using { ; }
I think it's just because some people like writing messy code 13:14
masak: yes
masak Matt-W: what's the username?
Matt-W ummm
err
let me check
masak :P
Matt-W mattw
it's a fairly new account and I've not used it much yet 13:15
one repo with nothing in it
masak Matt-W: added you as a proto admin.
I'm adding everybody, because I want to emphasize that we're all in this together :)
Matt-W heh 13:16
and also you're hoping that I'll take the hint and write some of the code?
masak in this case, no.
I want to write it myself :) 13:17
Matt-W Oh okay
masak but I want everyone to have access to information about their own modules.
in case they need to change something.
Matt-W mm, good plan
masak plan of action during the next few days: establish a list of all extant Perl 6 projects on github, and make sure they can be installed through './proto install <module' 13:23
after that, create the first dependency (most likely by moving out something from November) 13:24
hm, I need to write to the november-wiki mailing list and alert the november devs about proto...
viklund thinks he invented PARROT_DIR, btw. 13:29
Matt-W wiggles his fingers and wonders what he can depend upon from November 13:39
masak there are some goodies in there. 13:40
I'm especially proud of the markup parsers, of course. 13:41
but there's also a whole lot of web stuff.
mberends </lurk> PARROT_DIR is not much of an invention, btw. The concept is decades old, eg perl5.004 has PERL_SH_DIR in README.os2 13:53
(but the best wheels get re-invented) 13:54
ajr I get a "mingw32-make perl6" error on Windows. How do I get updated source now that Rakudo has moved? 14:27
moritz_ ajr: cd parrot/languages; git-clone git://github.com/rakudo/rakudo.git; cd rakudo; perl Configure.pl 14:28
ajr: the last step assumes that parrot is already built 14:29
masak , while writing an essay in Mandarin, get sudden and worrying associations to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room 15:01
masak moritz_: are you available? 15:09
moritz_ masak: a bit 15:09
ajr Thanks for the clue, moritz
masak moritz_: I'm getting a strange error in proto when building without PARROT_DIR set. 15:12
I was wondering if you (or someone else) could try and reproduce it.
ruoso Hello!
moritz_ masak: how do I run it? 15:13
masak moritz_: just ./proto in that dir. 15:14
but if you have a PARROT_DIR set, you'll have to unset that first.
moritz_ masak: nopaste.snit.ch/15510 15:15
masak ah :)
so we have more fundamental errors to deal with first.
if you want a quick fix, it's this:
which perl > /dev/null 15:16
on line 14 of the script
and same but s/perl/git/ on l 23.
meanwhile, I'll commit that. :)
there, pushed. 15:17
moritz_ Build succeeded strangely. Giving up. See make.log for details. 15:21
masak aye.
it's parrot-0.9.0/languages/rakudo/make.log
moritz_ I just found that :-)
masak I'm changing that error message to 'Build failed' as we speak. :) much clearer. 15:22
moritz_ ./perl6str.pmc:168: error: ‘PARROT_FLOATVAL_INF_POSITIVE’ undeclared (first use in this function)
masak yes, but why?
the only difference, as far as I know, is that we're using the public clone URL here. 15:23
moritz_ masak: no, you also export PARROT_DIR, don't you?
masak um, yes... 15:25
but I usually build Rakudo with PARROT_DIR set.
besides, why would the exportation of PARROT_DIR affect the Rakudo build process? 15:28
moritz_ dunno 15:30
masak moritz_: anyway, thanks for confirming. I'll try and track down the error. 15:31
diakopter std: class MyTypeSystem does ParametricPolymorphism does DuckTyping { ; } 16:37
p6eval std 25217: OUTPUT«00:02 32m␤»
Coke news.perlfoundation.org/2009/02/200...osals.html :: community comments welcome for the next week before the grant committee votes on these proposals. (at least one of them is p6 related.) 18:54
pugs_svn r25218 | hinrik++ | [util/perl6.vim] a few small fixes, also highlight the majority of Perl 6 regex/grammar constructs 20:14
pugs_svn r25219 | hinrik++ | [util/perl6.vim] use '\K' instead of the more verbose '\k\d\@<\!' 20:20
pugs_svn r25220 | hinrik++ | [util/perl6.vim] random cosmetic changes 20:28
pugs_svn r25221 | lwall++ | [STD] parameterize setting file 23:24
r25222 | lwall++ | rename PERL:: to CORE:: and LANG:: to SETTING:: 23:25
r25223 | lwall++ | refactor pseudo-package names 23:27
r25223 | lwall++ | clarify use of protoobjects as responder to subcall interface

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