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Set by moritz_ on 30 July 2009.
wayland76 ruoso also has problems with irc.parrot.org :) 00:05
And has in fact been banned. The error when he leaves that server is "Max SendQ exceeded" 00:06
ruoso wayland76, for some reason the machines keep dropping my connection
wayland76, that's because the connection with the server is too laggy
ancients is away (4[O.F.F.L.I.N.E]) 00:12
ancients is away (4[O.F.F.L.I.N.E]) 00:12
eternaleye (backlogging) wayland76: use :sigspace like this for now: m/:s <foo>/ 00:30
eternaleye rakudo: my $foo = 'bar baz qux'; say $foo ~~ /\w+ baz \w+/; say $foo ~~ /:s \w+ baz \w+/; 00:43
p6eval rakudo a948ca: ( no output )
eternaleye rakudo: my $foo = 'bar baz qux'; say $foo ~~ /\w+ baz \w+/; say $foo ~~ /:s \w+ baz \w+/;
p6eval rakudo a948ca: ( no output )
eternaleye rakudo: say 'alive' 00:44
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«alive␤»
eternaleye rakudo: my $foo = 'bar baz qux'; say $foo ~~ /\w+ baz \w+/; say $foo ~~ /:s \w+ baz \w+/;
p6eval rakudo a948ca: ( no output )
eternaleye slow bot is slow
eternaleye rakudo: my $foo = 'bar baz qux'; say $foo ~~ /\w+ baz \w+/; say $foo ~~ /:s \w+ baz \w+/; 00:44
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«␤bar baz qux␤»
eternaleye _there_. wayland76: ^^^^ 00:45
wayland76 Thanks :)
eternaleye np
azawawi std: "test" 03:12
p6eval std 27879: OUTPUT«ok 00:04 37m␤» 03:13
pugs_svn r27880 | wayland++ | [S32/IO] Separated IO::Filesystem and IO::Filesystems 03:51
__ash__ is perl 6's join documented anywhere? Like how you can do join(', ', (1, 2, 3)); and do (1, 2, 3).join(','); yet ().^methods(); doesn't have a join method 04:03
wayland76 S32/Containers 04:07
__ash__ thanks 04:08
wayland76 Tip: Get a SVN checkout of the Perl 6 specs, then use "grep" or "ack" on it 04:09
It was a while before I did, but it was well worth it
__ash__ i have it downloaded, just ummm had the whole rakudo project open when i did a search for join and kinda didn't think about only searching the spec directory 04:10
wayland76 Are you on Windows? 04:11
__ash__ nah, OS X (in textmate)
wayland76 Ah, ok. I didn't think you sounded like a Unix/Linux person :) 04:12
Although OS is Unix, admittedly :)
(But we're OS agnostic here, of course :) ) 04:13
__ash__ i am not as command line savvy as i should/could be, but i blame it on my lack of experience, or thats my current excuse while i am in college
wayland76 Well, I got a lot of my experience at Uni (== College here in Australia) 04:14
__ash__ ack is one of those commands i have to check the man pages for every time i use it, i never remember it, grep i know kinda though
wayland76 Of course, when I went through ('95-98), we had to log in to the Unix box to do our assignments, and it didn't have a GUI 04:15
I know grep fairly well. Ack is relatively new on me; the only option I know is "-a"
But I know Perl5 regexes quite well, so I use it sometimes 04:16
The big advantage of ack is that it ignores the ".svn" directory
__ash__ I have a gentoo-linux sandbox that i use to test most things i do on that has no GUI, and at my university we have a few computer labs with linux they use openSUSE
does it ignore all hiddens by default?
wayland76 I use Fedora at home, and there are some Debian boxen at work 04:17
No idea. 04:18
(afk, back in 3&)
__ash__ I must say that pastie.org/573559 produced some unexpected results IMO. I expected there to only be 1 method added, not 2. does perl just parse all the class statements before execution completely? 04:23
wayland76 In answer to __ash__'s question, the answer is effectively "yes". See the BEGIN block for further info (P5 works somewhat the same) 05:28
pugs_svn r27881 | wayland++ | [S32/IO] Clarification thanks to richard++ Since this does glob(), find(), etc, I'm 05:34
r27881 | wayland++ | intending that it be "Everything accessible via a filesystem path" sort of thing;
r27881 | wayland++ | NFS mounts included, but URIs not included.
tann perl6: say caller.perl; # :) 06:03
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«Could not find non-existent sub caller␤»
..elf 27881: OUTPUT«Undefined subroutine &GLOBAL::caller called at (eval 124) line 3.␤ at ./elf_h line 5881␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Control::Caller.new((\("file", undef), \("line", undef), \("package", undef), \("sub", undef), \("subname", undef), \("subtype", undef))␤»
tann perl6: my %h; say %h<a><b>; 06:04
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«Method 'postcircumfix:{ }' not found for invocant of class 'Failure'␤»
..elf 27881, pugs: OUTPUT«␤»
finanalyst wayland76: ping 07:05
moritz_ use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=43537&cid=69894 ``"Spring" had a few other connotations that I liked for my purposes'' - my last name translates to "spring" ;-) 07:12
Su-Shee good morning, stars and starlets. ;) 07:38
moritz_
.oO( that startles me )
Su-Shee moritz_: pay up. ;) 07:39
uh. I need a pink button saying "rakudo starlet" or "starlet 6" ;) 07:41
moritz_ ;-) 07:42
Su-Shee the possibilities of "rakudo star" are endless I've realized this morning. 07:43
Matt-W Good morning 07:46
moritz_ pmichaud: what are your plans for merging the ins2 branch? I think now would be a good time; all of the recent reports I heard of were positive, and we've still got enough time before the next release 08:13
finanalyst hi there 10:52
moritz_ hi 10:53
finanalyst having a problem with hyper divide
rakudo: my @a=1..10; @b= 1<</<<@a; say @b.perl 10:54
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«Symbol '@b' not predeclared in <anonymous> (/tmp/prRJAkWGif:2)␤in Main (src/gen_setting.pm:3363)␤»
finanalyst rakudo: my @a=1..10; my @b= 1<</<<@a; say @b.perl 10:55
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«[1, 0.5, 0.333333333333333, 0.25, 0.2, 0.166666666666667, 0.142857142857143, 0.125, 0.111111111111111, 0.1]␤»
finanalyst oh it works here
moritz_ say (1 <</<< 1..10).perl 10:56
rakudo: say (1 <</<< 1..10).perl
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«[1]..10␤»
moritz_ rakudo: say (1 <</<< (1..10)).perl 10:57
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«[1, 0.5, 0.333333333333333, 0.25, 0.2, 0.166666666666667, 0.142857142857143, 0.125, 0.111111111111111, 0.1]␤»
finanalyst std: say (1 <</<< (1..10)).perl 11:04
p6eval std 27881: OUTPUT«ok 00:02 37m␤» 11:05
finanalyst std: my @a=1..10; my @b= 1<</<<@a; say @b.perl 11:06
p6eval std 27881: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤(Possible runaway string from line 1)␤Unable to parse quote-words subscript; couldn't find right double-angle quote at /tmp/8eexsOTeSw line 1 (EOF):␤------> y @a=1..10; my @b= 1<</<<@a; say @b.perl⏏<EOL>␤FAILED 00:04 39m␤»
finanalyst ah! that's what I was getting locally 11:07
moritz_ finanalyst: 1< is parsed as a subscript, like in %h<key>
moritz_ it's generally a good idea to use whitespaces around infix operators 11:07
finanalyst so how to differentiate?
moritz_ whitespace
finanalyst std: my @a=1..10; my @b= 1 <</<< @a; say @b.perl 11:08
p6eval std 27881: OUTPUT«ok 00:02 38m␤»
moritz_ the golfers will hate us :)
EDevil hehe.. What's a hyper divide? 11:14
moritz_ EDevil: a division applied automatically to each item of a list 11:16
EDevil moritz_: So we can use this hyper thing we the other operators as well?
moritz_ EDevil: yes 11:17
for example >>+<< adds two lists of the same lengths, item by item
EDevil >>+<<? Not <<+<< ? 11:18
moritz_ the larger side points to the higher dimensions
so if there's a list on the left, it's >> 11:19
if there's a scalar on the left, it's <<
afk&
EDevil std: my @a=1..10; my @b= 1..10; say (@a>>+<<@b).perl 11:20
p6eval std 27881: OUTPUT«ok 00:03 38m␤»
EDevil rakudo: my @a=1..10; my @b= 1..10; say (@a>>+<<@b).perl 11:22
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«[2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20]␤»
EDevil Ah, nice. thanks
Matt-W rakudo: my @a=1..10; my $b = 2; say (@a>>+>>$b).perl
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«[3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12]␤» 11:23
finanalyst moritz_: is heretodoc still unimplemented? 11:43
colomon finanalyst: Pretty sure I saw it yesterday on the list of things that still needed to be done for Rakudo Star... 11:56
moritz_ fridim_: yes 12:11
colomon: when rakudo uses STD.pm for parsing it will get those for free
takadonet monring all 12:17
morning*
pmichaud Good afternoon, #perl6 12:36
moritz_ oh hai 12:37
pmichaud: it's so wierd that your timezone suddenly (roughly) matches mine :-)
I'd expected a "good morning" at that time of day
pmichaud moritz_: it will likely change again tomorrow 12:38
moritz_ I know :)
rakudo: say (1, 2, 3) X~ (0, 0, 0) X* (2, 2, 2) 12:40
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«202020202020202020404040404040404040606060606060606060␤»
moritz_ rakudo: say (1, 2, 3) X~ 0 X* (2, 2, 2)
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«202020404040606060␤» 12:41
takadonet ?
moritz_ rakudo: say (1, 2, 3) X~ 0 X* 2
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«204060␤» 12:41
moritz_ rakudo: say ~((1, 2, 3) X~ 0 X* 2)
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«20 40 60␤»
takadonet rakudo: say "hello world" 12:44
p6eval rakudo a948ca: OUTPUT«hello world␤»
moritz_ pmichaud: what are your thoughts on merging ins2? 13:01
celeon hello everybody! 13:10
moritz_ hi
celeon I just installed rakudo on my Debian Lenny Server to play around with perl6 13:11
I had no problems, but one small notice: 13:13
pugs_svn r27882 | lwall++ | [S02] Note that coercion to Nil provides "loop else" functionality 13:14
r27882 | lwall++ | Define what we mean by the Parcel type.
celeon "aptitude install build-essential libicu36-dev subversion" (which is mentioned in the README file of rakudo) won't run on Debian Lenny, because libicu36-dev is now called libicu-dev
moritz_ celeon: oh, you're right, libicu36-dev is the package from etch 13:16
I had it in my sources.list and it worked with that
celeon: thanks, fixed. 13:17
celeon++
celeon no problem. except for that I was really glad how easy the installation was. keep up with your good work! 13:19
moritz_ pmichaud++
he did most of the build system work 13:20
__ash__ moritz_: can i ask you something about class definitions in perl? 13:23
PerlJam guten tag #perl6 13:26
[particle] TimToady: how does one convert a Parcel to a Capture? 13:36
[particle] my $c = \$p; # like so? 13:37
PerlJam you speak parceltoungue. 13:39
PerlJam i kan spel gud 13:41
TimToady obviously, Capture($parcel) :)
masak oh hai #perl6 13:43
phenny masak: 05 Aug 17:56Z <literal> tell masak I can't make it to tonight's meeting, will give you an update tomorrow.
masak: 05 Aug 20:49Z <japhb> tell masak Please ping me when you're back; I need to pick your brain re: proto and various forms of World Domination
masak phenny: tell literal was going to tell you that I was going to miss yesterday's meeting, but was too preoccupied to do even that. looking forward to an update the next time we happen to intersect (my life will be returning to normality starting Sunday) 13:45
phenny masak: I'll pass that on when literal is around.
masak phenny: tell japhb (proto and world domination) -- sounds interesting, if not for other reasons than the fact that proto definitely _shouldn't_ figure in any world domination. :) I'm sort of mostly offline while in Portugal, but will be back home by Sunday. 13:47
phenny masak: I'll pass that on when japhb is around.
masak phenny++
masak reads pdd28_strings.pod
obra_ /w/go keri 13:50
obra_ hates his irc client 13:51
masak kinda likes his 13:53
ERC++
masak anyone else getting an error running t/spec/S12-introspection/walk.t ? 13:56
masak is getting 'Parameter type check failed; expected Any, but got Object for $class in call to block_86'
PerlJam masak: aye. same here. 13:57
masak PerlJam: you reckon we should try and fix it? :P
PerlJam double checks to make sure it's not just an artifact of his build (just in case) 14:00
(Is is just me, or has parrot gotten faster lately?)
EDevil Is there a place we can check for what still needs to be done for rakudo *?
PerlJam: I think they are removing the sleep() calls. :) 14:01
PerlJam EDevil: spec tests that are TODO :)
masak PerlJam: it's just you :) 14:02
PerlJam yeah, maybe I just haven't watched it do it's thing when compiling rakudo in a while.
masak EDevil: perhaps a better question is asking yourself what _you_ need. 14:03
PerlJam: compared to nine months ago, it's definitely slower.
PerlJam: (but probably also more correct)
EDevil masak: I'm just motivated to fill bugs since I was at your presentation. 14:04
I suppose this is bad: 14:05
Null PMC access in isa()
in sub Test::is (Test.pm:67)
called from Main (t/spec/S03-operators/autoincrement-range.rakudo:93)
t/spec/S03-operators/autoincrement-range.rakudo.................. Dubious, test returned 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
Failed 63/96 subtests
Matt-W null PMC access is ALWAYS bad
masak EDevil: yes. 14:06
masak EDevil: please file. 14:06
EDevil: *however*...
if you're keen on going the extra mile, you should check what in that test file it is that causes the Null PMC Access.
sort of try subsets of the file and find the minimal subset that errors out. 14:07
that helps the devs immensely.
EDevil Ok. That seems doable for someone who hasn't tried perl6 yet.
masak it is, that's the nice part. 14:08
you're basically exercising a black box.
PerlJam: here's the golfed error in walk.t: 14:09
rakudo: 1.WALK(:name<m>,:descendant) 14:10
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Parameter type check failed; expected Any, but got Object for $class in call to block_86␤in sub Perl6Object::block_86 (src/gen_setting.pm:1416)␤called from sub Perl6Object::block_86 (src/gen_setting.pm:1419)␤called from sub Perl6Object::block_86
..(src/gen_setting.pm:1419)␤called fro…
masak actually,
rakudo: 1.WALK(:name,:descendant)
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Parameter type check failed; expected Any, but got Object for $class in call to block_86␤in sub Perl6Object::block_86 (src/gen_setting.pm:1416)␤called from sub Perl6Object::block_86 (src/gen_setting.pm:1419)␤called from sub Perl6Object::block_86
..(src/gen_setting.pm:1419)␤called fro…
ancients is away (4[O.F.F.L.I.N.E]) 14:11
masak ancients: how can you be in the channel and offline at the same time? 14:12
EDevil masak: The line that fails is marked with todo: autoincrement-range.rakudo:93 - todo('Hebrew'); is( ++$x, "\x[5d0]\x[5d0]\x[5d0]", "'\x[5ea]\x[5ea]'++ is '\x[5d0]\x[5d0]\x[5d0]'" ); 14:12
Matt-W masak: it's like magic
PerlJam I don't know if it's really relevant, but I recall reading a commit message from jnthn about changing something from Any to Object recently. 14:13
let me see if I can find it.
masak PerlJam++
EDevil: yes, fail is what TODO tests do, so that's expected. 14:14
__ash__ i am sure i am 'doing it wrong' but what is the right way of doing pastie.org/574050 in perl 6?
masak looks
__ash__: looks like you'd want to do metaclass fiddling to accomplish that. 14:15
__ash__ masak: okay, i'll look around in the spec to see if there are any examples of what i am doing, there probably are and I just missed them 14:18
PerlJam __ash__: you *might* be able to do it with judicious use of eval 14:20
masak but, I think, there are known holes in that cheese.
PerlJam Well, I can't find the commit from jnthn I was thinking of, so I may have actually been conflating a couple of other commits in my head.
PerlJam rakudo doesn't understand junctional types yet does it? 14:22
my Int|Str $ffo;
masak rakudo: my Int|Str $foo = 5; $foo = "five"; say $foo 14:24
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Malformed declaration at line 2, near "Int|Str $f"␤in Main (src/gen_setting.pm:3363)␤»
TimToady might never, in that form
problem is that | is also prefix for capture
__ash__ i noticed that perl seems to compile the whole class regardless of the if's, i am just used to languages like ruby that do a single pass to figure everything out, kinda surprised me when it was adding all the methods to the class, then it seemed to be running the code after that, so its not evaluating the class definition at runtime
masak TimToady: won't that disambiguate, just like prefix:<+> and infix:<+>?
TimToady doesn't work if we have juxtaposing & 14:25
masak oh.
right.
PerlJam __ash__: in perl, many things happen at compile time rather than run time. I like to think that this is an advantage ;) 14:26
__ash__ PerlJam: I think it is too (thats why you can actually have macro's in perl, for instance) but how would one go about adding methods at run time? 14:27
masak __ash__: using the metaclass.
__ash__: see Moose for prior art.
PerlJam for some reason thinking of Moose as "prior art" for Perl 6 strikes me as funny. 14:28
edpratomo hello 14:29
is this svn.pugscode.org/pugs/docs/Perl6/FAQ/Capture.pod obsolete?
masak PerlJam: yeah, it's actually a bit of a horizontal transfer things, which kinda destroys the tree view of history. :) 14:30
TimToady looking
edpratomo i'm trying to understand the difference between $x = (1, 2, 3) and @y = (1, 2, 3)
the FAQ said $x.push(0); # FAIL: cannot find method: List.push 14:31
but it works just fine
masak edpratomo: correct. I think that nowadays, that List is promoted somehow to an Array.
TimToady rakudo: my $x = (1,2,3); say $x.WHAT
edpratomo masak: ah.. i see
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Array()␤»
TimToady that's actually not according to spec
masak but don't take my word for it... what TimToady said. :) 14:32
TimToady but it may promote to Parcel rather than Capture
edpratomo listening to mr timtoady
masak edpratomo: in case you're wondering, "Parcel" hit the spec a couple of minutes ago :)
TimToady is still looking at the Capture FAQ
there are many places that say Capture that will probably end up saying Parcel insteaqd 14:33
edpratomo masak: aah that's why it sound unfamiliar :-)
clkao "trouting parrot" 14:34
masak tries to look up a verb meaning of 'trout', fails 14:37
PerlJam masak: you need clkao's dictionary
[particle] cursing in front of a large audience of perl hackers?
masak yes, that was my fallback meaning :)
JimmyZ rakudo: HOW(Str).methods; 14:40
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Method 'methods' not found for invocant of class ''␤»
JimmyZ masak: hello, We lost this spectests.
I don't know which file to add it. 14:41
masak we lost it, or we never had one?
JimmyZ we never had one.
masak (and hello to you too)
JimmyZ It's referred to by S02 14:42
Or S12?
masak JimmyZ: S12-introspection, somewhere.
moritz_ re 14:43
JimmyZ the HOW function was referred to by S02, but HOW method mostly was by S12
moritz_ __ash__: feel free to ask
JimmyZ and some was by S02 too.
masak JimmyZ: that's probably mostly incidental. they're the same, after all.
__ash__ moritz_: oh, yeah, sorry about that last night, it was late and I went to bed, masak answered my question 14:44
TimToady there is a lot of stuff in S02 that needs to move elsewhere
masak __ash__: I was discussing this with jnthn yesterday. 14:46
moritz_ __ash__: ah, just read your nopaste in the backlog. That's something that should work in Perl 6, but is not implemented in Rakudo
masak we'll probably be looking a bit at how Moose handles metaclasses, and stick to that when we can.
I have a mind to look at Moose tests for this, and port them to t/spec
TimToady stevan's MOP role got composed into both p6 and p5 :) 14:47
JimmyZ masak: I will add it. 14:47
masak JimmyZ: great. 14:48
moritz_ that Parcel... does it store if something is handled as a named argument? 14:49
masak it has to, no?
moritz_ the example in S02 says it stores a Pair, but that's not sufficient to know if it's named 14:49
masak oh! 14:50
I'm still sometimes a bit unnerved by the mixing of Pairs and nameds.
[particle] multi foo(Pair $x) {...}; multi foo(:$x) {...}; foo( x => 1 ); # what happens? 14:52
TimToady when we convert a Parcel to a Capture, any Pairs in the list become named args
masak TimToady: so, what about when you want to pass a pair?
TimToady (:foo) is a Parcel, so isn't named 14:53
func( (:foo) ) doesn't turn its arg into a Capture
masak ok.
TimToady or rather, it's a Capture of (Parcel)
moritz_ [particle]: x => 1 is named, so it'll call the second candidate 14:54
masak right.
moritz_ [particle]: 'x' => 1 would be positional pair (first candidate)
[particle] ok, that was my next question :)
TimToady we can always tell where named args are wanted at compile time 14:54
TimToady though the Parcel -> Capture transformation is what is happening underneath 14:55
[particle] Parcel(Capture($parcel)) lossless?
moritz_ my $x := (2, 3, 'x' => 4, :x(5)); foo(|$x)
TimToady no
moritz_ that would be two named, right? 14:56
TimToady yes, | does the P2C 14:56
and then stitches in the Capture
[particle]: P(C(P)) is likely to lose nameds 14:57
unless you say P(|C(P)), I suspect
it's possible that P() has to be special at some level to suppress capturization of its args 14:58
moritz_ just like postcircumfix:<( )> is special :-) 14:59
masak moritz_: it works now in Rakudo, btw :)
jnthn++
[particle] |C(), hrmm
moritz_ masak: what? conditional methods/attributes?
masak rakudo: class A { method postcircumfix:<( )>() { say "OH HAI" } }; my $x = A.new; $x() 15:00
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«invoke() not implemented in class 'A'␤in Main (/tmp/3RGjos1eOt:2)␤»
masak hmm... :/
jnthn: ping
moritz_ masak: I thought that needed the PCC rewire? 15:01
masak moritz_: so did jnthn, but it turned out there was an easy fix.
but I suppose he hasn't pushed it yet.
moritz_ seems like
masak there was something about a non-API Parrot call, which jnthn had to clear with pm. he did, though. 15:03
moritz_ push it, push it! 15:05
maybe postcircumfix:<( )> should get a special name, since it's special anyway
something that's less ugly to type 15:06
:-)
masak moritz_: there's always &.() 15:07
(from S13)
moritz_ std: class A { method &.() { } } 15:08
p6eval std 27882: OUTPUT«ok 00:02 38m␤»
moritz_ oh wow
moritz_ I wonder if that'll make a good obfu 15:09
masak moritz_: it's certainly good for Web.pm, whose API needs things with postcircumfix:<( )> 15:11
moritz_ it needs? 15:12
so how could you live without it so far?
masak yes.
moritz_: I worked around it and called it 'call'.
moritz_ s/it needs/it benefits from/
masak moritz_: no, the final API needs it. 15:13
masak gist.github.com/163370 15:25
JimmyZ rakudo: ^Str.methods.join(", ").say; 15:26
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Method 'methods' not found for invocant of class ''␤»
JimmyZ rakudo: Str.HOW.methods.join(", ").say;
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«too few arguments passed (1) - 3 params expected␤in Main (/tmp/40s5hc4DUc:2)␤»
JimmyZ rakudo: Str.HOW.methods(:local).join(", ").say;
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«invalid arg type in named portion of args␤in Main (/tmp/UqWjj1WGiO:2)␤»
moritz_ rakudo: say ^Str.methods.join(", ").PARROT
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Method 'methods' not found for invocant of class ''␤»
JimmyZ rakudo: Str.HOW.methods('').join(", ").say; 15:27
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«pred, encode, succ, ACCEPTS, perl, WHICH, sprintf, Scalar, trim, chr, floor, rand, 1, round, 1, 1, 1, split, 1, grep, words, values, can, lcfirst, srand, 1, map, 1, cis, kv, samecase, 1, min, capitalize, max, first, trans, flip, does, 1, p5chop, lc, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, reduce, 1,
..ceilin…
moritz_ rakudo: say Str.^methods.join(", ").PARROT
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Str␤»
moritz_ rakudo: say Str.^methods.join(", ").say
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«sprintf, Scalar, pred, encode, succ, ACCEPTS, perl, WHICH, ord, capitalize, 2, round, 1, 1, split, 1, words, p5chop, lc, join, reduce, srand, trim, reverse, isa, 1, 1, 1, ucfirst, 1, rand, 1, fmt, first, trans, 1, 1, grep, 2, 1, 1, uc, 1, chr, pairs, samecase, 1, flip, does,
..1, can…
JimmyZ rakudo: say Str.^methods.join(", ").perl
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«"pred, encode, succ, ACCEPTS, perl, WHICH, sprintf, Scalar, 1, join, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, ceiling, trim, p5chomp, pairs, unpolar, ord, rand, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, grep, values, 1, roots, reverse, isa, ucfirst, kv, samecase, capitalize, fmt, bytes, flip, does, p5chop, lc, reduce, chr, 1,
..1, 1…
JimmyZ We needs more tests ;) 15:28
masak aye.
moritz_ sure, feel free
masak patches welcome.
JimmyZ rakudo: Str.HOW.methods().join(", ").say; 15:29
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«too few arguments passed (1) - 3 params expected␤in Main (/tmp/wf9MsByEgS:2)␤»
JimmyZ rakudo: Str.HOW.methods.join(", ").say;
moritz_ commit bits handed out cheaply, in a limited action
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«too few arguments passed (1) - 3 params expected␤in Main (/tmp/r1wXye2IxY:2)␤»
moritz_ JimmyZ: that's not supposed to work
$a.^b is a shortcut for $a.HOW.b($a)
so if you use .HOW, you have to pass the original invocant as first arguments 15:30
JimmyZ moritz_: that's should be to work ( as default )
moritz_ it can't.
JimmyZ moritz_: Str.HOW.methods; # same thing with the prototype object Str, FROM S02 15:31
moritz_ JimmyZ: then this part of the spec need fixing 15:32
unless it's a default... 15:33
TimToady how could it know? 15:34
JimmyZ moritz_: S12 maybe should need fixing 15:36
moritz_: I think I can do that, If I think that is right.
MyClass.HOW.methods($obj) # get the method list of MyClass
It should be MyClass.HOW.methods() # get the method list of MyClass 15:37
and others place like this.
s/others place/other places/
moritz_ MyClass.HOW.methods($obj) is correct 15:38
JimmyZ what's the $obj? 15:39
what's it to do? 15:40
Whether S02 or S12 is wrong.
JimmyZ moritz_++; # if you fix that ;) 15:42
moritz_ sorry, I can't muster the concentration right now to look it up and answer
maybe later tonighter
JimmyZ moritz_: thanks, anyway.
TimToady MyClass.HOW.methods(MyClass) is correct
since MyClass is the object in question 15:43
that's what MyClass.^methods translates to
JimmyZ Is it redundance ?
since there were two MyClass
TimToady .HOW just returns the metaobject, so how is the method to know what the original object is? 15:44
moritz_ not all instances managed by the metaobject have the exact same structure
TimToady one metaobject can be managing any number of actual objects, and it has to know which one
moritz_ if you don't want the redundancy, call it as MyClass.^methods
JimmyZ moritz_: I see, thanks again. 15:45
moritz_ then you don't have to write MyClass twice
JimmyZ and thanks TimToady
JimmyZ rakudo: HOW(Str).methods(Str).perl.say; 15:46
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Method 'methods' not found for invocant of class ''␤»
JimmyZ Is it right?
Str.HOW.methods(Str) or 'x'.HOW.methods('x') 15:47
moritz_ right
moritz_ of course you can also write Str.HOW.methods('x') 15:47
the chances that Str and 'x' are managed by the same metaobjects are pretty high, I think
JimmyZ should I fix S02?
JimmyZ I think 'x'.HOW.methods is wrong too. 15:52
sorry. 15:53
it's ^Str.methods
dakkar rakudo: @a=<a b c d>;say @a[1.3];@a.splice(1.5,1);say ~@a 15:55
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«Symbol '@a' not predeclared in <anonymous> (/tmp/1K3xCfMgUR:2)␤in Main (src/gen_setting.pm:3363)␤»
dakkar rakudo: my @a=<a b c d>;say @a[1.3];@a.splice(1.5,1);say ~@a
p6eval rakudo 6ba717: OUTPUT«b␤a b d␤» 15:56
TimToady JimmyZ: sure, you may fix that
pugs_svn r27883 | jimmy++ | [Spec/S02-bits.pod] fixed spec, see S12 for more. 16:07
KyleHa Yay for spec fixes. 16:09
JimmyZ good night #perl6 16:10
__ash__ so is there a working spec/idea/stuff? about how the meta classes should work? S12-introspection/meta-class.t is rather um not specific about some things 16:35
moritz_ it just deals with introspection
so I know that there are ideas, but I don't think there are specs yet
japhb Damn. Missed masak again. 16:40
phenny japhb: 13:47Z <masak> tell japhb (proto and world domination) -- sounds interesting, if not for other reasons than the fact that proto definitely _shouldn't_ figure in any world domination. :) I'm sort of mostly offline while in Portugal, but will be back home by Sunday.
japhb Thanks, phenny
masak_lolcat oh hai 16:47
japhb: you rang?
japhb masak_lolcat: ceiling cat got your tongue? ;-) 16:51
TimToady japhb: WiFi is very spotty here 16:52
japhb TimToady: bah. 16:52
japhb TimToady: and thanks for the heads up 16:52
TimToady we're at a cafe in south lisbon
japhb Too bad mesh networking hasn't gotten pervasive yet. 16:53
TimToady where "we" is N ≅ 12 16:54
japhb I'll try masak via email then 16:56
japhb Someone tell masak to check gmail. ;-) 16:58
dakkar_ japhb: done 17:00
japhb dakkar_: thx 17:01
pugs_svn r27884 | jnthn++ | [t/spec] Unfudge tests for junctions of code objects. 17:02
__ash__ are both parrot and pugs under active development? i thought i read somewhere that pugs was not being worked at the moment 17:05
moritz_ __ash__: that is correct 17:06
__ash__ is pugs_svn then just the home of the spec? 17:07
moritz_ it's the home of the spec tests, the spec, some documentation, smop, mildew, elf... 17:08
moritz_ some websites are also in there 17:08
__ash__ got ya
TimToady and, um, STD
moritz_ and camelia
japhb __ash__: the "pugs" repo is now pretty much a "generic Perl 6" repo. It just never got renamed.
moritz_ and kp6 17:09
TimToady it now stands for "public updates generate synergy" :)
moritz_ ;-)
pugs_svn r27885 | jnthn++ | [t/spec] Simplify some signatures; we're not testing slices or taking a capture in a signature in these tests at all. 17:12
alester pmichaud: Are you gonna be around this evening? That we can discuss some PR plans? 18:55
KyleHa Is it true that $var.isa($type) && $var ~~ $type ? 19:18
Does $var ~~ $type imply $var.isa($type) (barring deliberate attempts to override .isa and such)?
Is it true that $var.isa($var.WHAT) ? 19:20
moritz_ KyleHa: $a ~~ Type is the same as $a.does(Type) 19:24
ruoso f**king irc.perl.org server doesn't like me
moritz_ and $var.isa($var.WHAT) is true
pmichaud: I just gave your "cool Perl 6 operators" talk ;-) 19:26
KyleHa rakudo: use Test;plan 2; enum Color <white gray black>;ok Color.pick.does( Color ), 'enum does itself'; isa_ok Color.pick, Color.pick.WHAT, 'Color.pick makes no sense'; 19:27
p6eval rakudo 459f5a: OUTPUT«1..2␤ok 1 - enum does itself␤not ok 2 - Color.pick makes no sense␤# Looks like you failed 1 tests of 2␤»
KyleHa rakudo: enum Color <white gray black>;my $p = Color.pick; say $p.isa($p.WHAT); 19:28
p6eval rakudo 459f5a: OUTPUT«0␤»
moritz_ rakudo: rakudo: enum Color <white gray black>;my $p = Color.pick; say $p.PARROT 19:29
p6eval rakudo 459f5a: OUTPUT«Statement not terminated properly at line 2, near ": enum Col"␤in Main (src/gen_setting.pm:3366)␤»
KyleHa Prosecution rests.
moritz_ rakudo: enum Color <white gray black>; my $p = Color.pick; say $p.PARROT
p6eval rakudo 459f5a: OUTPUT«Perl6Role␤»
KyleHa It all started with this: 19:30
rakudo: enum Color <white gray black>; my Color $p = Color.pick;say 'oh hai'; 19:31
p6eval rakudo 459f5a: OUTPUT«Assignment type check failed; expected Color, but got Color␤in Main (/tmp/jkymX7iFDa:2)␤»
KyleHa "expected Color, but got Color" is even better than "expected , but got Foo".
pugs_svn r27886 | kyle++ | [t/spec] something wrong with .pick on an enum 19:38
KyleHa I found a typo for my first commit to Rakudo, to test when I have a bit for that. 19:39
Also, I figured out that one of my Test.pm patches is causing a spectest failure. 19:42
pugs_svn r27887 | kyle++ | [t/spec] Test for RT #68242 21:13

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