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diakopter oh 19:05
Wolfman2000 Lots of ops today. Wonder what the occasion is.
19:05 diakopter sets mode: +o Wolfman2000
Wolfman2000 diakopter: I don't idle in here long enough. Besides: soon as I disconnect/quit, it's gone. THanks anyway. 19:06
19:06 Wolfman2000 sets mode: -o Wolfman2000
TimToady long weekend, is all, and attacks often happen on long weekends 19:07
colomon still hasn't figured out what he can do as operator...
Wolfman2000 colomon: set the topic, kick people, ban people, control channel modes
TimToady mostly, /kick people who are misbehaving
colomon gotcha, /kick. that I think I can remember.
Wolfman2000 Of course, there are plenty that have autojoin set up on their client, so kicking doesn't always work 19:08
diakopter /ipkb ircname
TimToady that's what bans are for
rgrau_ ban works then
Wolfman2000 TimToady: Care to explain how I can set up XChat Aqua so that I only automatically rejoin specific channels? 19:09
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colomon TimToady: I don't think I buy the idea of not reducing fractions if one denominator is a multiple of the other. It seems like the only case it really makes sense for is dollars and cents. 19:09
TimToady but generally just the presence of operators prevents most griefers from trying
why would I care to explain something I know nothing about?
btw 'care to explain' is one of those phrases that aspergery people should avoid using because it makes neurotypical people think you're being snotty when you're not 19:10
Wolfman2000 ...noted 19:11
I'll simplify the issue then.
My IRC client only allows a blanket "auto rejoin" for all or none
TimToady then don't :)
I've never used autorejoin myself 19:12
Wolfman2000 One particular server I take part in often does kicks for...well, "fun".
It's primarily for that server.
TimToady yes, well, I think we should optimize for how we want it to be, not necessarily for how it is 19:13
and personally I just stay away from such servers
diakopter or p0wn them with one of the many /usr/bin/perl backdoors 19:14
Wolfman2000 ...depending on certain situations, that may happen in a few months.
TimToady you could probably run separate client processes in different windows somehow
Wolfman2000 diakopter: I'm not going to get myself klined
diakopter (I wasn't referring to Wolfman2000)
Wolfman2000 diakopter: wasn't obvious. My apologies. 19:15
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masak o/ 19:25
Wolfman2000 afternoon masak
masak Wolfman2000: evening.
Wolfman2000 Did November work this time around? 19:26
masak yup.
Wolfman2000++
someone want to help me reply to this Twitterer? twitter.com/fail2code/status/6109938235
Wolfman2000 masak: trying to come up with a reply 19:27
masak I'm looking for a combination of honest, witty and understanding. 19:28
[particle] something like: try implementing it. talk about horror...
Wolfman2000 my thinking...
@fail2code Can you explain more of your feelings about this? What is fascinating? What is horrible? Input helps make the language better. :)
lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
masak [particle]: aye, something like that. :)
jnthn The horror is about how fascinating you find it? ;-)
Wolfman2000 guess I wasn't what you were looking for.
masak Wolfman2000: good thinking, but we lost him at 'explain'... :)
Wolfman2000 ...right, I did that again 19:29
/botignore @fail2code What are your feelings of Perl 6 in more detail? What is fascinating? What is horrible? Input helps make the language better. :)
Wolfman2000 isn't in witty mode yet 19:30
[particle] jnthn: what's the size of perl6.obj on your system?
i think i may be out of disk space, and that's why my rakudo build is faliing. 19:31
my figners ar eflaiing too
masak Wolfman2000: I took [particle]'s suggestion and merged yours in at the end.
Wolfman2000 masak++: gotcha. I thought you wanted all of us to reply 19:32
jnthn [particle]: 22.3 KB or so.
[particle]: Note that the PBC ends up in a resource file.
masak Wolfman2000: I did. I find this PR stuff fascinating, to the extent that I grok it.
[particle] hrmm, i've got 5.5MB free
jnthn [particle]: Which we link in separately.
[particle] oh, right, how big is perl6.exe? 19:33
jnthn [particle]: I think I last encountered that situation in like, 1995... :-)
[particle] yeah, well, it's a vm.
jnthn [particle]: 4.3 MB but that's in ng, so I suspect master is bigger.
[particle] ok, that's likely it, i'll see what i can delete. maybe msvc docs or some service pack files or something 19:34
jnthn wonders just how big the .exe is in master 19:38
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jnthn [particle]: If you're building 64 bit, you can almost half the size of it by building a 32-bit version instead, probably. ;-) 19:38
[particle] i've got 83MB now, rebuilding... 19:39
jnthn Yay 19:40
[particle]: What OS, BTW?
[particle] vista x86
as perl 5.10.1, msvc 2008
jnthn 's new laptop is Win7. 19:41
Well, will be.
:-)
[particle] i've been using win7 since this summer on my laptop. feels better, but not as good on the battery as i hoped
Wolfman2000 I tried Windows 7...it's even more of a Mac clone now 19:42
[particle] aha! perl6.exe is 6,888,448 bytes 19:43
Wolfman2000 that's...small 19:44
[particle] nmake still fails, but that's when trying to write perl6.exe.manifest, which i don't care about
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jnthn [particle]: Do you still get a perl6.exe out? 19:46
[particle] yes 19:47
but i can't make test, because make fails. sigh, i'll submit a rakudobug
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jnthn [particle]: Is it a Rakudo bug? 19:49
[particle]: Or a pbc2exe bug?
[particle]: I guess either way, I can look into it a bit when I've got Win7 about...which I guess will exhibit the same issue. 19:50
[particle] it probably will... are you xp now?
jnthn yeah 19:51
[particle] i haven't been able to build on my win7 laptop, with the same issue, so either it's my environment or my platform
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[particle] it's not entirely clear to me whether it's pbc_to_exe or rakudo makefile, but it's likely pbc_to_exe. question is, why isn't it a problem for me to build parrot, if it's pbc_to_exe? 19:52
eternaleye o/ 19:53
phenny eternaleye: 15:14Z <Wolfman2000> tell eternaleye I think parallelism is implemented...at least, on the rakudo bot
jnthn [particle]: Sure...if it's pbc_to_exe that has the issue it'll be installation or path related I guess.
[particle]: We won't know for sure until we get it tracked down. 19:54
[particle] ok, parrot does have parrot.exe.manifest... looking into the parrot makefile 19:59
ah, it may be a simple bug... 20:01
jnthn That would be nice. :-) 20:02
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[particle] from parrot's makefile: if exist $@.manifest mt.exe -nologo -manifest $@.manifest -outputresource:$@;1 20:04
from the rakudo make output: mt.exe -nologo -manifest perl6.exe.manifest -outputresource:perl6.exe.manifest;1 20:05
notice the output resource names don't match
with parrot, it uses $@, which is 'parrot.exe'. with rakudo, it's using 'perl6.exe.manifest' 20:06
check parrot's tools/dev/pbc_to_exe.pir, lines 654-72 20:07
manifest_file_name = exefile
manifest_file_name .= '.manifest'
embed_manifest_str = 'mt.exe -nologo -manifest ' 20:08
embed_manifest_str .= manifest_file_name
embed_manifest_str .= ' -outputresource:'
embed_manifest_str .= exefile
embed_manifest_str .= ';1'
this should result in '... -outputresource:perl6.exe;1'
but it doesn't.
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obra '$TIMEOFDAY 20:11
TimToady: I'd love to get your input on www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5....53965.html
[particle] hola obra
masak o/ 20:13
ironically, I'm getting slight mojibake in the fourth paragraph of that message. 20:15
TimToady I'm fine with generalizing \X to mesh more with the Unicode notion of graphemes 20:19
which is basically where Perl 6 is aiming for its default notion of "character" 20:20
Wolfman2000 無 <-- so is this a grapheme?
TimToady yes
masak thinks so
TimToady also happens to be a codepoint 20:21
Wolfman2000 a code point somewhere...hang on
.u 7121
phenny U+7121 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-7121 (無)
Wolfman2000 that's the one
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dukeleto pmichaud: any comments re: github.com/leto/nqptap/commit/fbb06...245173b563 ? 20:42
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pmurias diakopter: is anyone other then us using V8.pm? 20:43
masak I have an enum. how do I get a list of its values, in the order I defined them? 20:44
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masak er, a list of the names of the values. 20:44
jnthn rakudo: enum Foo <a b c>; say Foo.^methods(:local) 20:45
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
mberends \o guys 20:46
jnthn mberends: o/
masak hi mberends! 20:47
mberends Foo.perl probably NYI
colomon is very confused by the last few minutes backlog...
diakopter pmurias: I don't know.. :) did you know it was originally named ACME::JavaScript (I think)? 20:49
dukeleto pmichaud: nevermind :)
colomon ah, my client dropped a key line from masak.
diakopter read that as "key lime" 20:52
I must be hungry
jnthn hands diakopter some citrus fruits
masak with keys in them?
colomon now wants key lime pie... 20:53
jnthn masak: Your comment doesn't appeel to me. :-P 20:54
masak jnthn: pear not, I'm very grapeful. 20:55
jnthn Those are appling. 20:56
masak
.oO( sour grapes )
jnthn blows a raspberry at masak 20:57
masak I think we've had that idiom up for discussion before. still, I had to go look it up again. :) 20:58
'to make a rude noise by putting your tongue between your lips and blowing'
arnsholt masak: A labio-lingual trill =D 21:00
masak I love it when you talk dirty. 21:01
std: subset Foo of Int where sub($_) { return 1 }
p6eval std 29203: ===SORRY!===␤sub() interpreted as function call at line 1; please use whitespace instead of parens␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row) at /tmp/3TgSVH0PgV line 1:␤------> subset Foo of Int where sub($_) ⏏{ return 1 }␤ expecting
..an…
masak std: subset Foo of Int where sub ($_) { return 1 }
p6eval std 29203: ok 00:01 105m␤
masak ok, so where clauses to subtypes can be subs, if declared as such. that helps.
colomon :O
arnsholt masak: There's a stale old pun I really have to combat making right now ^^
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jnthn masak: Erm. I'm not too sure on that. 21:02
masak arnsholt: does it contain fruit?
jnthn: works in Rakudo. :)
jnthn masak: Oh.
arnsholt masak: It contains linguists
jnthn keeps quiet :-)
masak arnsholt: are they cunning?
arnsholt And, er, cleverness
masak right.
I think we'll leave it at that.
this is a family channel.
colomon what the heck does Foo back there do?
arnsholt Yeah, I think we better 21:03
jnthn Yeah, let's prune this punning.
arnsholt I prefer raisins, meself
colomon partridge berries. 21:04
masak rakudo: sub foo(@bar) { [<] @bar }; subset Ascending of List where &foo; say (1, 2, 4, 7) ~~ Ascending 21:05
that works locally! \o/ 21:06
std: sub foo(@bar) { [<] @bar }; subset Ascending of List where &foo; say (1, 2, 4, 7) ~~ Ascending
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
std 29203: ok 00:02 131m␤
masak that means where clauses can be separated and re-used. woot!
jnthn std: subset Ascending where { [<] @^xs }
p6eval std 29203: ok 00:01 106m␤
sjohnson yo masak
and colomon
masak sjohnson: hello! 21:07
colomon greetings!
masak++ for factoring wheres
jnthn colomon: I just realized why it works fine. 21:08
:-)
jnthn is a bit slow today
colomon jnthn: it is supposed to work, I hope?
jnthn colomon: Yeah. We treat the RHS of the where, if it's not a block, as something to smart-match against. 21:09
But smart-matching against a sub invokes it and uses the result. :-)
colomon woot!
jnthn So however it's treated, it does what we want.
masak convenient.
jnthn In other words, even if we pick the wrong way to treat it, we still get the right answer anyway. 21:10
;-)
masak The Impossible Dream of Babbage!
colomon does that mean you can do something like $x where 1..5 ?
jnthn masak: Heh. Now we just need to make the rest of Perl 6 fall out that way, and we won't have any more bugs. ;-) 21:12
TimToady where is always smartmatch, the subs aren't an exception
masak jnthn: speaking of bugs...
masak just got a Null PMC access in his new script
jnthn masak: Surprise! 21:13
masak awww... for me? you shouldn't have... :P 21:14
sjohnson muri dana
jnthn
.oO( next time, use "Peved!" instead )
masak Preved! \o/ 21:15
jnthn masak: Do you think the rest of the channel can bear us making puns in Russian too? :-)
masak jnthn: I think you just went a bit too fir. 21:16
jnthn OK, I've leave off. 21:18
colomon I pine for the days when people around here spent more time programming than punning...
masak yeah, but what's the pun in that? 21:19
rakudo: my @a = 1, 2, 3; my @b = (@a.shift for ^3); @b[0].WHAT
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Null PMC access in find_method('WHAT')␤in Main (file <unknown>, line <unknown>)␤
masak there's my bug.
masak submits rakudobug
jnthn That's an...odd...one.
masak the odd ones are the only ones left nowadays. :) 21:20
as a bug hunter, one learns not to be choosy. 21:21
colomon unless you want to work in ng 21:22
masak yeah, but then you don't have any features, instead. :P
are ranges and lists supposed to flatten inside of the list of values in enums? 21:23
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TimToady it would be rather weird to have the name of an enum element be an unflattened list 21:25
masak TimToady: how do I get all the names the elements of an enum, in order? 21:30
TimToady: simplest one I've found so far is SomeEnum.pick(*),sort
colomon Does there "where" thing work in reverse for "when"? By which I mean, if you have when { ... }, will it execute the block and fire the when's block if it returns true? 21:31
masak hardly very idiomatic.
TimToady colomon: don't know what you mean by "in reverse"; when and where are really the same thing, they just use their boolean differently 21:32
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TimToady both do a smartmatch on the current topic, but where assumes the topic is a type, and when just uses $_ 21:33
colomon TimToady: I mean, we're "used" to where's clause being a block, and when's being something which is smartmatched.
TimToady speak for yourself; where has always been a smartmatch to me :)
masak man, this is the funkiest code I've written in Perl 6. 21:35
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TimToady masak: you might try SomeEnum::.keys since Type:: is supposed to be the stash of the type; no guarantees about rakudo though 21:39
masak TimToady: oki, thanks.
TimToady doesn't guarantee order either 21:40
though of course, enums are only conventionally in a particular order
they're just a convenient way to write a lot of constants
colomon my impression is that rakudo's enums are pretty dodgy right now. 21:41
jnthn colomon: They're better now than they were. Trouble is, the spec seems to want them to be a bunch of different things at once... 21:42
TimToady well, STD's enums are probably even dodgier, given it can't even evaluate a list
jnthn colomon: I'm just not sure at all how to put them back in ng.
I guess I could try and delegate 'em to Pm since my previous 2 attempts ain't been so awesome. ;-) 21:43
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jnthn TimToady: fwiw, the problem is more giving them all of their runtime semantics/behaviors rather than producing the name to value mapping... 21:44
TimToady an enum is just sugar for constant declarations, and constants are values that can also be used as subsets representing that single value
jnthn TimToady: Yeah, but there's also an expection, that the enum's name can also function as a role. 21:45
TimToady: And that you can do .pick on it
TimToady .pick is minor
jnthn TimToady: And other bits.
Well, all of the bits on their own are minor.
I just didn't find a nice way yet to do do *all* of them. :-)
TimToady I don't know if "but" really needs a role, mostly it just has to intuit a has-a relationship for the enum property, I suppose, and a role might be one way to do it 21:48
but yeah, that part is a bit mushy
might be more of a punning thing too 21:49
but that might just be something that "but" does rather than something enum knows how intrinsically 21:50
so I'd ignore "but" for the moment
does that help?
jnthn TimToady: Perhaps. I fear we have tests trying to use the enum name on the RHS of "does" too. I guess we can always declare 'em wrong... 21:51
TimToady: The test file S12-enum/as-role.t for example.
TimToady in other words, if you wrote a fake enum entirely by putting constants into a module, it might still work just as well in 'but' and 'does'
but it would do so by some kind of role generation 21:52
that's how I see it today, but maybe I'm forgetting something fundamental
I do that once every decade or so...
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jnthn :-) 21:53
TimToady: I'll keep those bits in mind when I/we get to looking at them again in ng. Thanks. 21:54
TimToady lemme think about it s'more in the meantime
pmurias diakopter: do you think if we were to release V8.pm on cpan bundling v8 would be a good idea?
TimToady bbl &
masak rakudo: sub foo($b) { $b == 42 }; subset FortyTwo of Int where &foo; say 42 ~~ FortyTwo 21:58
rakudo: sub foo($a, $b) { $b == 42 }; subset FortyTwo of Int where &foo.assuming(0); say 42 ~~ FortyTwo
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
diakopter pmurias: sure, I think that'd be cool 21:59
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
masak locally, the first one gives 1 and the second one gives a 'Not enough positional parameters passed'.
jnthn: should the second one work?
diakopter pmurias: just a snapshot of trunk (which is "stable") should suffice 22:00
jnthn masak: Um 22:01
masak: I *think* so.
diakopter pmurias: or you could include a switch in the Makefile.pl that could pull the latest from svn trunk if the user had subversion installed... of course, including it would also require dependencies on python, scons, g++ (or msvc++)
jnthn Since that should return a curry sub. 22:02
uh, curried
.oO( mmm...vindaloo )
masak :)
jnthn would almost go back to Riga again just for That Restaurant. 22:04
masak it was indeed a Good One. 22:05
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jnthn Yeah...it does kinda beat my local one here. :-/ 22:06
OTOH, there's a Very Good One back in England, where I'm heading next week.
masak OK. here we go. 22:08
gist.github.com/244255
that code works. it's a bit slow, but it classifies poker hands, down to the resolution of two hands of the same type.
jnthn o_O 22:09
You just introduced 2, 4, 6, 8... as type names. :-)
masak yeah, sorry about that :P
it does work, though.
jnthn lol
masak and there is prior art.
jnthn std: my 2 $x; 22:10
p6eval std 29203: ===SORRY!===␤Malformed my at /tmp/p6P4NB6VeF line 1:␤------> my ⏏2 $x;␤ expecting scoped declarator␤FAILED 00:01 105m␤
masak you can have subs called 1 in Perl 5.
jnthn std: enum Foo ( 2, 4, 6 ); my 2 $x;
p6eval std 29203: ===SORRY!===␤Malformed my at /tmp/b7QB5cmy4S line 1:␤------> enum Foo ( 2, 4, 6 ); my ⏏2 $x;␤ expecting scoped declarator␤FAILED 00:01 105m␤
jnthn rakudo: enum Foo ( 2, 4, 6 ); my 2 $x;
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Malformed declaration at line 2, near "2 $x;"␤in Main (file <unknown>, line <unknown>)␤
jnthn ooh, OK, not as type names.
:-)
masak jnthn: well, no, not as such.
jnthn rakudo: enum Foo ( 2, 4, 6 ); &2
rakudo: enum Foo ( 2, 4, 6 ); say &2.WHAT
masak I just name the enum values as numbers, which should be kosher.
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output ) 22:11
masak jnthn: I think you must quote the 2.
jnthn Oh well, at least Rakudo let you dod it, rather than exploding. :-)
subset FullHouse of PokerHand where OnePair & ThreeOfAKind;
wow!
masak :)
jnthn That's...beautiful.
masak this will do for blogging tonight. 22:12
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diakopter masak: I think FullHouse will hit on all ThreeOfAKind, as well..? 22:13
masak diakopter: well, shouldn't it? it's higher in the type hierarchy. 22:15
jnthn take Card.new(:$suit, :$rank); # heh 22:16
masak hm, I should probably have made that one a map. 22:18
jnthn masak: Yeah but "take Card" is cute. 22:20
(Cuteness Driven Development)++
masak yes, it is. slightly misleading, though, since we're not taking cards at that point. :)
jnthn Yeah, true. 22:21
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pmurias diakopter: unless you want to do a lot of build magic there is no way we can get rid of the dependency on scons 22:27
Tene masak: "$_ == $rank" -- does "==" work for "knight"? 22:33
masak Tene: yes.
Tene Huh.
masak Tene: it's numeric comparison.
Tene Oh, "enum".
masak :)
Tene nice.
masak cunning, even. :P
Tene There should be a version of "grep" that smartmatches, IMO.
grep $rank, @cards>>.rank 22:34
masak that oughta work, actually.
masak makes local experiments
Tene rakudo: my @a = <a b c d e a e a>; say (grep 'a', @a).perl; 22:35
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ["a", "a", "a"]␤
Tene rakudo: my @a = <a b c d e a e a>; say @a.grep('a').perl;
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ["a", "a", "a"]␤
Tene Nice.
Yeah, do that. It looks much nicer.
masak yes, this works: 22:36
rakudo: enum A <a b c d>; my @a = a, b, c, b, c, b, a; for A.pick(*).sort -> $rank { say (grep $rank, @a).elems }
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
masak locally.
Tene++ # suggestion
Tene rakudo master doesn't have parameterized containers yet, right? 22:37
List[Card]
Rakudo: Bag.new(); 22:38
rakudo: Bag.new();
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: Could not find non-existent sub Bag␤in Main (file src/gen_setting.pm, line 324)␤
Tene Still, very nice work, masak. :)
masak thanks :)
Tene oh, one more...
colomon btw, masak, very interested to see this code you are working on. :) 22:39
Tene rakudo: my @a = <a b c d e>; say [lt] @a;
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: 1␤
Tene rakudo: my @a = <a b c d e a>; say [lt] @a;
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: 0␤
masak colomon: gist.github.com/244255
Tene can you use '<' on Enums? If so, do Straight with [<]
masak Tene: necessary but not sufficient. 22:40
colomon masak: for the book?
Tene Ah.
Right.
masak colomon: maybe.
colomon :0
masak colomon: after writing it, this piece of code, or something like it, feels like a good candidate.
colomon You certainly are doing interesting things with where. 22:42
jnthn masak: It could introduce both enums and subset types.
masak: "Other Typey Things" chapter? :-) 22:43
masak jnthn: well, the MMD example already uses enums currently.
don't know if it should, though.
jnthn Oh?
Isn't that the json one?
masak I mean the rock-paper-scissors one.
jnthn oh, OK. 22:44
wait, that uses enums?!
jnthn never wrote that one in terms of enums...
I guess you can....
masak no, I kinda rewrote it... :/
it looked much better that way.
but I'm not 100% sure it should stay that way.
maybe we should 'simplify' a little by not introducing enums at that point. 22:45
jnthn Yeah...we have to write some "not what a guru would write" code in the earlier chapters in some senses, I think. 22:51
It is, after all, OK to speak in baby speak too as a beginner. :-) 22:52
masak guru? moi? 22:53
only in the sense that the prices of my courses are exorbitant. :P
eiro haha ... yes you are
masak I just work here...
eiro hello all
masak o/ 22:54
arnsholt It amuses me that guru means heavy/weighty at the base ^^ 22:55
Even though it makes sense, I keep seeing some balloon-shaped guru, rather than the more standard mental image of the thin ascetic =) 22:56
Tene My job title is "guru". That's even what it says on my business cards. 22:59
arnsholt Very cool
jnthn Tene: But are you heavy/weighty at the base though? 23:00
:-)
Tene My feet are a little bit larger than usual.
jnthn That'll do! True guru! :-) 23:01
masak rakudo: enum SomeEnum <a b c>; say SomeEnum::.keys 23:03
locally, I get "invoke() not implemented in class 'Perl6Role'"
p6eval rakudo 7347ec: ( no output )
masak is that worth a rakudobug submission?
std: enum SomeEnum <a b c>; say SomeEnum::.keys 23:04
p6eval std 29203: ok 00:01 106m␤
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jnthn looks confused at what the indent was there 23:04
*intent
Oh
Treating it as a namespace...hm
masak yah. a stash, said TimToady.
jnthn is vaguely surprised Rakudo even parses that.
masak heh. 23:05
jnthn I guess if it ends with :: we're meant to treat it as a stash...I guess I can go with that.
File rakudobug if you like.
masak likes 23:06
jnthn Many bugar today. :-) 23:07
masak min rakudo e kass. :)
arnsholt masak: Det tror jeg ikke på ett eneste sekund =p 23:08
jnthn Ja ar inte en bra compilerwriter.
*Jag
:-)
masak ja, ja.
we all suck to some extent. :)
jnthn Just remember: if you think you suck, black holes suck SO much more. 23:09
.oO( I should be a motivational consultant )
masak jnthn++ pmichaud++ # have written the most compliant implementation out there so far
Wolfman2000 back from errands and whatnot. masak: what implementation? rakudo?
masak Wolfman2000: yes, that one. 23:10
mathw Evening
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jnthn hi, mathw :-) 23:11
masak oh hai mathw! 23:12
mathw :) 23:14
I can haz sweet and sour chikn ballz 23:15
The cat's eyeing them acquisitively though
jnthn I can haz a jellus!
mathw you can join the cat in that then
masak stores the word 'acquisitively' in his brain; nice one 23:16
mathw oh dear 23:23
it seems the cat does have a taste for batter
mdxi i45.tinypic.com/2ptcxfr.jpg 23:24
mathw aaaaawww
jnthn awww...the cute! 23:25
mathw: That's...healthy. :-)
mathw keeps him quiet for a bit...
I'm off to bed shortly anyway, so I shall have to take it away from him
jnthn OTOH, it won't make that much difference, given the main component of a cat's diet is cheezburgers.
mathw quite
and it's far healthier than chocolate
...which is poisonous to cats 23:26
goodnight all
jnthn o/
mathw I may do some lolsql tomorrow :)
jnthn \o/ 23:28
masak mathw: 'night
jnthn Talking of SQL. I was doing some code review today (can't say what in...) and discovered something an incredible and innovative way to handle dynamic SQL query generation. 23:29
masak so, are there plans to do a Perl 6 advent calendar? where do I sign up for a few days' worth?
jnthn Produce chunks of SQL, interpolating variables into them (without escaping, so you get vulnerabilities). The chunks should correspond to the SELECt, FROM, etc. Then pass those SQL strings to a stored procedure. The SP then concatenates and execs them. 23:30
Yes, I actually encountered this!
The real world is a scary place.
The SP actually had parameters like @SelectClause.
I think using lolsql would actually have been an improvement. :-/ 23:31
masak probably.
jnthn I'm not quite sure what thought process you go through to actually create something like that... :-/ 23:32
It's like, enterprise level fail.
Thankfully my job is only to whine about the code, not to actually maintain it.
jnthn is glad the bulk of that is done and he can return to the much saner world of Rakudo hacking. 23:33
colomon masak: there are indeed plans afoot for an advent calendar.
arnsholt jnthn: It's the kind of thought process where you haven't heard of parameter binding I think 23:36
colomon PerlJam and I were discussing it this morning. But I think he may have taken discussion to one of them fancy google wave things, and I'm not on there yet.
jnthn arnsholt: Yes, but they'd actually heard of it enough to use it to pass the manually-constructed chunks of SQL to the SP. That was the bewildering part. :-) 23:37
arnsholt Now THAT is a WTF 23:38
jnthn Right. :-)
arnsholt Consider sending it to thedailywtf.com? =)
jnthn arnsholt: NDA. :-( 23:40
Thus the "can't tell you where it's from" at the start of this. :-) 23:41
oh gah
I just tried to sign up to blogs.perl.org. The signup form tells me, "Text entered was wrong. Try again."
arnsholt Point, point. Reading comprehension is not my strong point I suppose. At least not at one in the morning =)
jnthn ...and doesn't tell me which field I didn't fill in right. And they all look fine to me.
colomon jnthn: It just throws me out with mysterious errors every time I try to login. 23:42
jnthn colomon: Ah, not just me having issues then... 23:43
jnthn leaves it for another time
colomon jnthn: mind you, not the same error you are describing... 23:44
jnthn colomon: I get the impression they're still working out the kinks. 23:45
masak colomon: cool. anyway, I'm prepared to contribute some Perl 6 advent calendar day blog posts if need be.
colomon masak: \o/ I'm sure any contributions from you would be welcome. :) 23:46
afk (son's dinner)
masak sleep &
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