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Tene huf: that *is* a bug, and is *not* the desired behavior, but Rakudo doesn't do quantified zero-length matches right yet. 00:02
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sorear Tene: Where is that specced? 02:19
Tene I don't see anything in S05. 02:21
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alester Yay, I found my first Rakudo bug. 03:24
pmichaud: What's the current method of submitting pathces/diffs/whatever 03:25
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sorear alester: send mail to rakudobug@perl.org with [PATCH] in the subject, wait 4-8 days for manual spam filtering 03:28
alester kthx
so we're still sending manual patches
sorear If you don't expect it to need public reveiw you can just link it here 03:29
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wayland76 www.rakudo.org/submit-a-bug-report 03:34
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dalek kudo: ded33e1 | pmichaud++ | docs/release_guide.pod:
Update release guide to note new publication strategy for
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melte alester: what's the bug
unless it's a secret bug
alester It might be.
Maybe it's my secret pmichaud bug.
melte if you share with me I'll share with you :P 03:46
alester oh, it's not a bug I'm reporting
I have the fix.
melte that's even better 03:47
alester I didn't even find the bug. GCC did. 03:52
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dalek kudo: 38f9f12 | duff++ | docs/release_guide.pod:
volunteer for the Oct release
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wayland76 Is this where I make comments like "secrecy bugs me"? :) 04:39
alester It's not secret.
Can't git format-patch say "Just make a patch for a single commit"? I can't see how
sorear -1 --stdout?
alester I gotta specify the commit. 04:40
sorear commit..commit^
? 04:41
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alester ok, patch sent 05:15
Should Rakudo be using PMCNULL and PMC_IS_NULL? 05:18
like the rest of Parrot?
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[Coke] as opposed to? 05:31
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sorear needs to overhaul the regex system, it's gotten to "AGH MY BRAIN" complexity and it can't even handle subrules properly 05:54
dalek ecza: 14e1c86 | sorear++ | (5 files):
Convert Cursor into a low-level type
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ecza: 0454014 | sorear++ | (3 files):
Start infrastructure for regex captures
ecza: 2925456 | sorear++ | (3 files):
Parsing for <foo> and <.foo>
ecza: 83b026b | sorear++ | (5 files):
Improve trace output; non-working attempt at <foo>
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moritz_ good morning 06:13
Visitor99 hi... 06:16
i have a file with a line that reads "[GENERAL]" without the quotes...
running a program that reads that file (with the "lines" function) 06:17
i got Confused at line 22, near "[GENERAL]\\n" 06:18
moritz_ Visitor99: show us the code, please 06:19
it looks like you're compiling the file, not reading it
Visitor99 slurping the file on repl works, though
pastebin.ca/1913688 06:20
plobsing shouldn't that be .perl.say and not the other way around? 06:21
Visitor99 this is the file im reading: pastebin.ca/1913690 06:22
moritz_ Visitor99: I get no error when I run that code 06:24
Visitor99: are you sure there's not an eval or so later in your file? 06:25
plobsing: it will just produce .perl of True (from successful say())
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rcfox Is there a preferred module-starting program for Perl 6 modules? 06:26
plobsing moritz_: yes, but in void context, that's fairly useless
moritz_ Visitor99: or are you accidentally running perl6 zservrotation.conf # instead of perl6 yourscript.pl zservrotation.conf ? 06:27
plobsing: useless, but harmelss
rcfox: none at all. I plan to write one soonish though
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moritz_ Visitor99: still alive? 06:32
phenny: tell pmichaud www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=853727 time to split the core compilation, no? :-) 06:33
phenny moritz_: I'll pass that on when pmichaud is around.
Visitor99 sorry i was busy.... well i can't reproduce the error either :S i'm trying to 06:34
no, i didn't try to run the config file... just checked the command history 06:35
moritz_ that's where I get the same error as you did 06:36
anyway, shower &
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cono rakudo: my %h = <a b>; my @x .= push(1); my $l = %h; @x.push($l); @x.perl.say 06:58
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«[1, {"a" => "b"}]␤»
cono how to omit $l ?
sorear @x.push($(%h)) maybe? 07:02
rcfox Uh. I thought they were trying to get away from that?
cono sorear: thanks 07:04
melte rakudo: my %h = <a b>; my @x .= push(1); @x.push({%h}); @x.perl.say # why not? 07:08
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«[1, {"a" => "b"}]␤»
sorear because it clones the hash 07:10
I think, there is an argument to be made here for push to impose scalar context 07:11
since you can always use |@foo if you want to push the elements of an array
rcfox Why can't we just get a reference to the hash? :P 07:12
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cono I guess $(%h) is a reference 07:13
sorear %h is a flattening reference 07:14
$(%h) is a non-flattening reference to the same item
cono rakudo: my %h = <a b>; my @x .= push(1); @x.push(%h); @x.flat.perl.say 07:15
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«[1, "a" => "b"]␤»
cono rakudo: my %h = <a b>; my @x .= push(1); @x.push($(%h)); @x.flat.perl.say
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«[1, {"a" => "b"}]␤»
rcfox Why $(), and not \\ ?
cono rakudo: my %h = <a b>; my @x .= push(1); @x.push(\\%h); @x.flat.perl.say
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«[1, \\("a" => "b")]␤»
melte rakudo: my $x = 5; say $($($(a))) 07:16
rcfox :\\
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &a␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/EFXYxTxDg9␤»
melte woops
rakudo: my $x = 5; say $($($(x)))
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &x␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/J62xd5xIBT␤»
sorear \\%h creates a capture
melte rakudo: my $x = 5; say $($($($x)))
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«5␤»
sorear a capture would do something similar, but it need to be explicitly derefernced
melte rakudo: my $x = 5; say $($($($x))).WHAT 07:17
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Int()␤»
melte yeah.
sorear rakudo: my $x = 5; say \\\\\\\\$x.WHAT
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Capture()<0x5ee2380>␤» 07:18
moritz_ www.dagolden.com/index.php/947/thou...mment-3977 dagolden++
and I see pmichaud and I commented nearly simulateously with similar replies :-)
melte "Rakudo is slow" implies "Rakudo is", and that's a big step forward. 07:19
hah, nice
moritz_ actually I meant to link to the blog post, not only my comment 07:20
but I sure you know how to scroll up :-)
melte :P 07:21
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tadzik morning 07:31
moritz_ o/
pmichaud good morning, #perl6 07:36
phenny pmichaud: 06:33Z <moritz_> tell pmichaud www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=853727 time to split the core compilation, no? :-)
sorear I've already tried to split Rakudo's core compilation 07:37
it resulted in headaches and no progress
sorear suspects that fixing #1734 will improve the situation greatly 07:38
pmichaud sorear: hearing you say that makes me even more inclined to try to add it soon. 07:40
baest pmichaud: that's the spirit :) 07:41
rcfox Is it possible to define a coersion from one type to another? 07:42
pmichaud I'm not so sure it'll be that big of an improvement.. but you often have really good intuitions on things like that and I'm inclined to trust thie one. :)
rcfox: S13, "Type casting"
er, "Type Casting"
rcfox Thanks.
pmichaud but much of type casting and coercion is NYI in rakudo, because the spec is still a bit slushy in a few areas.
I suspect that the TypeName(...) syntax will survive as a casting mechanism however. 07:43
Also, $value.Type is likely to survive as well.
e.g., $value.Int should coerce to an Int (if $value knows how to do that)
sorear Are there any plans to make my Num $foo = 1.5 work? 07:44
pmichaud sorear: well, that's the slushy part. :)
I'm not sure we want autocoerce to be the default. 07:45
some speculation has been a trait on variables that indicates coercion -- e.g., my Num $foo as Num automatically coerces all foo values to Num 07:46
I suppose we could also do my Num $foo is coerced ...
rcfox Ew, you wouldn't want to write Num twice.
pmichaud My gut tells me that fundamentally we want to preserve some orthogonality between "type constraint" and "coercion" 07:47
but really a programmer probably really wants 07:48
my Real $foo = 1.5
or
my Numeric $foo = Num(1.5)
rcfox Perhaps Num was a poor choice for a name. 07:49
pmichaud that's one of those things that is probably not too late to change :-)
rcfox What's the difference between Real and Num?
pmichaud Real is the generic class/role for "things that represent real numbers" 07:50
rcfox Ah.
pmichaud i.e., it excludes Complex
rcfox How about Float?
pmichaud there isn't a Float type, atm. What we think of as Float is currently Num.
rcfox Yeah, so use that.
pmichaud I suspect calling it Float might be better. 07:51
at one point TimToady liked to preserve the symmetry that the concrete types had 3-character names, I think
rcfox Most of the time, when I write Num, I mean Numeric.
pmichaud but given that Nums are in fact much rarer than they previously were, explicitly calling them "Float" might be much correct-er. 07:52
of course, someone writing my Float $foo = 1.5; might still expect some sort of auto-coercion to take place.
(which I think we want to avoid)
rcfox I think you'd want to avoid auto-coercion on function arguments, but probably not on lexical variables. 07:54
rcfox probably used that term incorrectly.
I mean, if you're in the middle of writing a function, you probably want my Float $x = 1.5; to work. 07:55
pmichaud yes, but do you later want $x = 3/4; to work? 07:56
moritz_ is the idea that less references are kept around, so the GC can collect more?
rcfox If you're taking arbitrary values, then you probably want to make sure that your value is representable in a float.
moritz_ (wrt TT #1734)
pmichaud moritz_: Yes.
right now a subroutine holds on to all of the temporaries until it exists.
*exits
and if there's something holding on to the closure, then those temporaries exist for an even longer period of time. 07:57
(types) it's possible that some types imply a coercion as well as a constraint. 07:58
rcfox Is there a difference between coersion and calling the <Class Name>() method?
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pmichaud rcfox: that's another part of the slushiness. The answer has varied over time and we haven't quite figured out the exact formulation. 07:59
rcfox Heh, okay.
pmichaud i.e., "Num" could be a type that coerces from Numeric if it can, otherwise it's a type check failure. 08:00
i.e., my Num $x = 1.5 will go ahead and coerce 1.5 to a Num since a Rat is numeric, but my Num $x = "1.5" might fail
moritz_ rakudo: say <a b c>[0..*-2] 08:01
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Method 'Num' not found for invocant of class 'WhateverCode'␤ in 'Cool::Numeric' at line 1757:CORE.setting␤ in 'Cool::Numeric' at line 1758:CORE.setting␤ in 'infix:<==>' at line 6581:CORE.setting␤ in 'Range::iterator' at line 4557:CORE.setting␤ in 'Any::postcircumfix:<[
..]>' at …
pmichaud the problem with that approach is that the programmer has to keep a mental list of which types are coercing and which are not. and in general we try to eliminate such arbitrary lists from p6
moritz_: I suspect that just needs a postcircumfix:<[ ]>(WhateverCode $x) method in Any-list.pm 08:02
oh, wait
that's not it
I suspect the problem is that 0..*-2 isn't coming out to be a WhateverCode
rakudo: say (0..*-2).WHAT 08:03
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Range()␤»
pmichaud aye, that's the problem.
feel free to submit rakudobug (if not already submitted) (more)
I have a local branch with a Range re-implementation (that speeds them up), I can probably get the WhateverCode variant there as well. 08:04
rcfox What about something like: "my Num:coerced $foo = 1.5" ? 08:05
sorear Why would there be a WhateverCode variant? 08:06
S02 is pretty clear about infix:<..> not currying Whateve4rs
moritz_ sorear: but *-2 curries
tadzik what is *-2 about to mean, in terms of (0..*-2) Range?
pmichaud From S03: "C<Whatever> types are also supported to represent -Inf/+Inf. If
either endpoint is a C<WhateverCode>, the range is curried into
another C<WhateverCode>.
"
so I suspect S02 is fossil.
tadzik: (0..*-2) in the context of postcircumfix:<[ ]> would mean "all elements but the last" 08:07
rcfox Does Perl 6 have heredocs? 08:08
sorear Yes.
pmichaud rcfox: yes, but NYI in rakudo. 08:09
rcfox Ah.
sorear niecza: say q:to"foo";␤Hello, world␤foo␤
p6eval niecza 8f98e61: OUTPUT«MAIN.cs(7,54): error CS1061: Type `Niecza.Frame' does not contain a definition for `DepthMark' and no extension method `DepthMark' of type `Niecza.Frame' could be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)␤MAIN.cs(34,54): error CS1061: Type
..`Niecza.Frame' d…
pmichaud rcfox: S02, search for "heredocs"
(may need to go down several occurrences)
"Heredocs are no longer written with C<<< << >>>, but with an adverb on
any other quote construct:
..." 08:10
sorear moritz_: it's been more than two hours and niecza still hasn't been rebuilt
rcfox I need the synopses all on one page. :P
moritz_ sorear: ah, niecza build fails with Can't locate File/ShareDir.pm
sorear: environment problems, I suspect
pmichaud EPERLMONKSTOOSLOW 08:11
sorear moritz_: pmurias added that as a dependency of STD
it's a CPAN module
sorear should update the README
pmurias it's used for installing data files 08:12
moritz_ sorear: it's installed, but probably not for the perl that the cron job picks up... which is why I said "environment problems" 08:13
manually rebuilt now... try again :-)
sorear pmurias: it's also used at runtime to find them
niecza: say q:to"foo";␤Hello, world␤foo␤
p6eval niecza 83b026b: OUTPUT«Hello, world␤␤»
sorear hmm 08:16
should it have removed the newline?
pmichaud I would think no.
sorear wait, wait, 'take' isn't syntax?!
pmichaud it's a function, like return.
moritz_ why should it be?
(syntactic, I mean) 08:17
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sorear moritz_: because it is as strongly tied to the lexical scope it is used from as, say, $foo 08:20
pmurias sorear: yes
pmichaud it is? take can be dynamic. 08:21
moritz_ sorear: I don't see the relation to lexical scope at all
return() has such a relation
pmichaud rakudo: sub xyz() { take 1; take 5; }; say gather { xyz() }; 08:22
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«15␤»
pmichaud moritz_++ # yes, it's lexotic like return
well, actually, 'take' might be strictly dynamic. 08:23
and not lexotic.
that's probably why it doesn't appear in the list of lexotics in S04. 08:24
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TiMBuS rakudo: my @a = (1,2,3); my %h<a> = @a; @a[1] = 'foo'; %h.perl.say; 08:28
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused at line 22, near "my %h<a> ="␤»
TiMBuS oh
moritz_ rakudo: sub f(&x) { x(4) }; f(*-2)
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: ( no output )
moritz_ rakudo: sub f(&x) { x(4) }; say f(*-2)
TiMBuS rakudo: my @a = (1,2,3); my %h; %h<a> = @a; @a[1] = 'foo'; %h.perl.say;
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«2␤»
rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«{"a" => [1, "foo", 3]}␤»
TiMBuS i guess that's intended 08:30
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moritz_ pmichaud: simply adding a an our multi method postcircumfix:<[ ]>(WhateverCode $x) { does not help, it doesn't get dispatched to 08:34
rcfox rakudo: say -sin(0); 08:44
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«-0␤»
rcfox -0. :\\
sorear -0 is a great number 08:45
rcfox rakudo: say (-sin(0)).WHAT;
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Num()␤»
pmurias sorear: did you add a debugging thing to STD recently which prints out AUTOLOAD something? 08:49
sorear I don't think so
Context?
dalek kudo: c1e19af | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog:
update ChangeLog a bit
 08:50
pmurias sorear: AUTOLOAD _SUBSUME gets printed out
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pmurias i'll use Carp::Always to find and kill that if it's nothing obvious 08:51
sorear what are you doing to get that? 08:52
pmurias compiling things using mildew 08:53
sorear sounds like you've broken one or more of the undocumented invariants of Cursor 08:54
moritz_ rakudo: say 'Foo::Bar::Baz'.subst(:g, '::', '-')
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Foo-Bar-Baz␤»
sorear possibly an invariant I didn't even know existed
pmurias sorear: i don't directly access cursors
sorear not directly, sure
don't just remove the print statement; the fact that it's being reached is a bug 08:55
_SUBSUME should only ever be called on cursors, not lazy iterators 08:56
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pmurias why is there an active debugging stmt in STD? 08:57
sorear someone probably forgot to change it to a die 08:59
pmurias sorear: maybe i have old something, sometime some STD temporary files get corrupted 09:07
TiMBuS rakudo: my $a = 0..*-2; $a(5).say; 09:12
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«invoke() not implemented in class 'Range'␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/KKGaxQ_kIC␤»
TiMBuS oh
rakudo: my $a = (0..*-2); $a[1].say; 09:16
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«Method 'Num' not found for invocant of class 'WhateverCode'␤ in 'Cool::Numeric' at line 1757:CORE.setting␤ in 'Cool::Numeric' at line 1758:CORE.setting␤ in 'infix:<==>' at line 6581:CORE.setting␤ in 'Range::iterator' at line 4557:CORE.setting␤ in 'Iterable::list' at line
..3569:…
TiMBuS oh so its parsing like (0 .. {$_ - 2}) 09:17
but its still a range? 09:18
rakudo: my $a = (0..*-2); $a.to.say;
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«_block114␤»
sorear yes 09:23
TiMBuS thats not fun at all
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moritz_ oh 09:38
it should curry over WhateverCode, but not over Whatever 09:39
pmichaud correct 09:41
I'm guessing 09:42
method postcircumfix:<[ ]>(WhateverCode $x) { self.[ $x(self.elems) ] } # or something like this 09:43
moritz_ s/WhateverCode/Callable/
pmichaud oh, I think we already have Callable, in which case it's not needed.
so we just need the range currying 09:44
moritz_ rakudo: say <a b c>.[-> $x { $x - 1 }]
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«c␤»
moritz_ indeed
pmichaud I know we have callable -- that's how .[*-1] works
our multi method postcircumfix:<[ ]>(&block) { self[&block(self.elems)]; }
yes, already there :-)
okay, I'll work on range currying when I pick up the range branch again. 09:45
(probably Monday sometime)
(yes, I know it's Monday already... but I'm still on Sunday thinking)
my sleep schedule is soooooooo messed up
mathw You're operating in a different time zone to the one your body is in
It's perfectly okay 09:46
Just confusing :)
pmichaud mathw: I wish it were that simple.
sorear YAPC::NA, OSCON, and YAPC::EU all in two weeks sounds like a good excuse
I don't have one.
pmichaud sorear: well, Hawai'i too (and it was six weeks)
but yes, that's partially why
I suspect it even goes back to not getting sufficient sleep in March and April 09:47
sorear What did you do in Hawai'i?
mathw puts pmichaud down for hibernating in September
pmichaud family vacation :-)
sorear (Variable)th.outer.outer.outer.outer.outer.outer.outer.outer.lex[@"Any"] // I think I need to optimize this 09:48
moritz_ you can know at compile time which outer pad holds the variable 09:49
sorear yes
pmichaud anyway, speaking of sleep, it's time for me to get some.
moritz_ 'night
sorear but not which instance of it...?
mathw sorear: also, that code's not very flexible :)
sorear mathw: generated code 09:50
the compiler counts the number of outer links that need to be followed
mathw ah
you're right though, still not very optimal
that's potentially a lot of needless method calls 09:51
sorear field lookups only
still
mathw still not great 09:53
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sorear ok. now, I can start handling regexes saner, maybe 10:09
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dalek ecza: b732455 | sorear++ | (8 files):
Implement gather/take
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ecza: 6a1c284 | sorear++ | README:
Add new dependency
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patrickas hello #perl6! 10:29
moritz_ hello patrickas :-)
patrickas hello moritz_ can someone take a look at a small peice of code and tell me if I am doing something horribly wrong ? gist.github.com/515259 10:32
moritz_ patrickas: probably needs another variant that deals with * on the RHS 10:34
patrickas moritz_ the problem is a bit weirder so I thought I was doing something wrong on a more fundamental level. let me try an example with evalbot 10:39
moritz_ patrickas: that eqv thing also won't work on 1, -2, 4 ...^32 or so 10:40
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patrickas rakudo: our sub infix:<...^> ($lhs, $rhs) {my @all := ($lhs ... $rhs);gather {loop {\tmy $current = @all.shift();\tlast if $current eqv $rhs;\ttake $current;}}}; say (1 ...^ 5.5); say (1 ...^ 5.5).join(', '); 10:43
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«12345»
patrickas there ... say (1 ...^ 5.5) works but say (1 ...^ 5.5).join(', ') gives nothing!
moritz_ rakudo: say ^5.5
p6eval rakudo 38f9f1: OUTPUT«012345␤»
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patrickas also I tracked the bug in MAIN reported a couple of days ago to this: 11:04
rakudo: sub foo ( $f = rand ) {}; say Capture.new() ~~ &foo.signature;
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«0␤»
patrickas rakudo: sub foo ( $f = 'string' ) {}; say Capture.new() ~~ &foo.signature;
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«1␤»
patrickas rakudo: sub foo ( $f = rand ) {say $f}; say Capture.new() ~~ &foo.signature; foo(); 11:06
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«0␤0.461541885367723␤» 11:07
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takadonet morning all 12:00
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smash hello everyone 13:26
takadonet smash: hey 13:27
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bbkr rakudo: my $x = 1 // *; $x.WHAT.say # bug? "1" is expected 13:38
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«WhateverCode()␤»
oha is there a way to put hardcode some bytes in a string in rakudo? 13:40
i do not really need a pack here, just a way to hardcode some bytes on a socket 13:41
mathw Strings in Perl 6 are unicode, so not really suitable for that kind of thing 13:42
you'll be wanting a Buf, I think
I'm not quite sure what the current state of those is in Rakudo
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oha i'll check about Buf, ty mathw 13:46
[particle] star: my Buf $x = qq{\\d104\\d105}; print $x" 13:47
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\\d' at line 22, near "104\\\\d105};"␤»
[particle] star: my Buf $x = qq{\\d104}; print $x"
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\\d' at line 22, near "104}; prin"␤»
[particle] star: my Buf $x = qq{\\x68\\x69}; print $x" 13:48
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused at line 22, near "print $x\\""␤»
mathw oha: Buf is designed for binary I/O, so it's just the thing you need, and it's been worked on by masak++ for GSoC
[particle] lemme see if i can remember this syntax...
star: my Buf $x = "\\x{68 69}"; print $x 13:49
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\\x' at line 22, near "{68 69}\\"; "␤»
oha [particle], looking at the src, it seems a list of items...
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[particle] there's a way to list a bunch of hex, oct, whatever terms... i just can't remember it atm. sigh 13:50
moritz_ \\c[...]
frettled rakudo: Buf.new([35,45]).say 13:53
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«Buf()<0x5ebb4b0>␤»
oha moritz_, ty i'll check right now
[particle] star: my Buf $x = "\\c{68 69}"; print $x
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized \\c character at line 22, near "{68 69}\\"; "␤»
[particle] star: my Buf $x = \\c{68 69}; print $x
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<{ }>, couldn't find final '}' at line 22␤»
frettled rakudo: Buf.new(:16<6a>).say
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«too many positional arguments: 2 passed, 1 expected␤ in main program body at line 1␤» 13:54
[particle] ok, so maybe that isn't yet implemented
frettled duh
moritz_ str: my $x = Buf.new([:16<68 69>]); say $x.decode
frettled rakudo: Buf.new([:16<6a>]).say
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«Buf()<0x5a4c800>␤»
moritz_ star: my $x = Buf.new([:16<68 69>]); say $x.decode
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Malformed radix number at line 22, near "<68 69>]);"␤»
moritz_ star: my $x = Buf.new([:16(68)]); say $x.decode
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«h␤»
frettled moritz_: I think radix numbers use the <> syntax without being listy
moritz_ star: my $x = Buf.new([:16(68)]); say $x 13:55
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«Buf()<0x683eb90>␤»
frettled star: my $x = Buf.new([:16<6a>]).Str.say 13:56
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«Buf()<0x83a6c30>␤»
slavik star: for 1..10 -> $a,$b { say $a,$b; } 14:00
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«12␤34␤56␤78␤910␤»
slavik star: for 1..10 -> @a { say @a; } 14:01
p6eval star 2010.07: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '@a'; expected Positional but got Int instead␤ in <anon> at line 2:/tmp/u7Lei6xv2w␤ in main program body at line 1␤»
slavik :(
moritz_ star: for 1..10 -> *@a { say @a; }
p6eval star 2010.07: ( no output )
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slavik moritz_: I am wondering how I can restrict that array to a specific number of elements 14:02
moritz_ slavik: with a 'where'-block, or with a subsignature 14:03
rakudo: (-> @a ($, $, $) { say ~@a}).(1, 2, 3) 14:04
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '@a'; expected Positional but got Int instead␤ in <anon> at line 22:/tmp/p7CdJJiE92␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/p7CdJJiE92␤»
moritz_ rakudo: (-> @a ($, $, $) { say ~@a}).([1, 2, 3])
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
moritz_ rakudo: (-> @a ($, $, $) { say ~@a}).([1, 2, 3, 4])
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 4 but expected 3 in sub-signature of parameter @a␤ in <anon> at line 22:/tmp/2aDopife1l␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/2aDopife1l␤»
bbkr std: s///
p6eval std 31912: OUTPUT«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m␤Regex not terminated at /tmp/BB7W_zhx1P line 1 (EOF):␤------> [32ms///[33m⏏[31m<EOL>[0m␤ expecting quantifier␤Undeclared routine:␤ 's' used at line 1␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:01 115m␤»
bbkr std: $_ = "0"; s/-/1/; 14:08
p6eval std 31912: OUTPUT«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m␤Undeclared routine:␤ 's' used at line 1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:01 116m␤»
bbkr who can explain this one?
moritz_ you need to escape - in a regex
and empty regex is disallowed 14:09
and std used to give good error messages for both, but it's borked now
bbkr moritz_: I know about escaping. but error is LTA in this case.
moritz_ bbkr: not only LTA. It sucks. 14:10
TimToady: (see above)
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bbkr rakudo: $_ = ""; s/1/{foo()}/; # curious if it will find undefined sub in parsetime 14:25
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: ( no output )
bbkr std: $_ = ""; s/1/{foo()}/; # curious if it will find undefined sub in parsetime
p6eval std 31912: OUTPUT«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'foo' used at line 1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:02 116m␤»
bbkr ha!
moritz_ known limitation :( 14:26
rakudo: $_ = 'FooBar'; s:ii/foobar/Perl6stuff/; .say
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«PerL6stuff␤»
bbkr already reported? 14:27
moritz_ I think so
bbkr we're approaching 666 tickets :) 14:28
std: my %foo XX= 1; 14:33
p6eval std 31912: OUTPUT«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m␤Can't cross with = because list assignment operators are too fiddly at /tmp/9tYIeXkYW5 line 1:␤------> [32mmy %foo XX=[33m⏏[31m 1;[0m␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:01 115m␤»
bbkr rakudo: my %foo XX= 1;
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: ( no output )
bbkr reports
std: my %foo == 1; 14:35
p6eval std 31912: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 115m␤»
bbkr rakudo: say eval eval eval eval 0.perl.perl.perl.perl.perl; 14:43
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«0␤»
bbkr \\o/
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tadzik what's the state of require in Rakudo? 15:03
moritz_ NYI 15:04
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tadzik is it close, or far in the plans? 15:04
moritz_ I tried to implement it, and didn't get the argument list to parse
once the parsing is sorted out, should be (relative) SMOP
patch howdy
moritz_ hi 15:05
tadzik hey
patch i'm looking for real-world examples of the quote-word operators <>, such as projects on github
here's one: github.com/masak/web/blob/master/lib/Tags.pm
the coffeescript team is considering adding it but would like to see more use cases 15:06
moritz_ patch: github.com/moritz/svg-plot/blob/mas...lot.pm#L35
github.com/moritz/Math-Model/blob/m...row.pl#L25 15:07
moritz_ -> out 15:09
patch moritz_: thanks!
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rwt can anyone help me with some perl programming 15:28
molcules rwt: Are you looking for help with Perl 5 or with Perl 6? 15:29
rwt perl5... 15:30
ilbot by mortiz 15:31
molcules rwt: The best place for that would probably be perlmonks.org/?node=Seekers%20of%20...%20Wisdom. However, what is your question? 15:32
Getty or probably suggest him irc.perl.org ?!
(sending an IRC user to a webpage... awesome ;) )
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rwt github.com/moritz/ilbot/blob/master...ot2.pl#L27 15:34
I wanting to only store lines that start with a certain sting into the databse
Getty rwt: i wouldnt use that one at all, its very stoneage 15:35
;) 15:36
rwt ?
literal if he just wants to store some lines in a database, then ilbot seems like an alright start 15:37
Getty literal: depending on the personal flavour, yes ;) but i still feel like that dude should first go to the right channel for it 15:38
literal perhaps
rwt mortiz page pointed here
[Coke] perl5-help is also at irc://irc.perl.org/perl-help 15:39
literal rwt: ilbot is ultimately based on POE::Component::IRC, which is what you might use to build an IRC bot, its IRC channel is #poe @ irc.perl.org
rwt k thanks ?
literal I can assist you there, if you like
rwt where 15:40
Getty lol ;)
rwt perl-help or poe
literal #poe
[Coke] current # of RT tickets: 666 15:44
cognominal std: say :a<> 15:45
p6eval std 31912: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ Pair with <> really means a Nil value, not null string; use :a('') to represent the null string,␤ or :a() to represent Nil more accurately at /tmp/cgEjRhSp4V line 1:␤------> [32msay :a<>[33m⏏[31m<EOL>[0m␤ok 00:01 112m␤»
cognominal rakudo: say :a<>
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unsupported use of <>; in Perl 6 please use lines() or () at line 22, near "<>"␤»
[Coke] would it be helpful to have RT ticket status updates get sent to channel? 15:46
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[particle] like, TT#666 status from 'new' to 'open' 15:47
if it doesn't include the title, it's not helpful to me 15:48
s/TT/RT/
[Coke] rakudo: class Failure is also { method defined { True } }; say .defined
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Illegal redeclaration of symbol 'Failure'␤»
[Coke] rakudo: class Failure is also { method perl { "HOLA!" } }; say .perl
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Illegal redeclaration of symbol 'Failure'␤»
[particle] augment class Failure
[Coke] rakudo: use MONKEY_TYPING; class Failure is also { method defined { True } }; say .defined 15:49
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Illegal redeclaration of symbol 'Failure'␤»
[Coke] rakudo: use MONKEY_TYPING; augment class Failure { method defined { True } }; say .defined
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤A method named 'defined' already exists in class 'Failure'. It may have been supplied by a role.␤»
[Coke] rakudo: class A { method foo { 1 } }; augment class A { method 15:50
> foo { 2 } }; A.new.foo
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Can't augment class A without 'use MONKEY_TYPING'␤»
[Coke] rakudo: class A { method foo { 1 } }; augment class A { method foo { 2 } }; A.new.foo
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Can't augment class A without 'use MONKEY_TYPING'␤»
[Coke] rakudo: use MONKEY_TYPING; class A { method foo { 1 } }; augment class A { method foo { 2 } }; A.new.foo
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤A method named 'foo' already exists in class 'A'. It may have been supplied by a role.␤»
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[Coke] [particle]++ 15:51
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[Coke] given a patch, what's the proper way to attribute it to the original author? 15:55
I can just do a patch/git commit, but I assume there is a more gitty way.
just "git commit --author" ? 15:56
(and what format should I use for the string in author. just email?
BinGOs usually the 'standard' git format 'Name <email@address>' 16:01
dalek kudo: 6d9691d | petdance++ | src/binder/bind.c:
Fix a problem of setting *error with itself. (RT #77098)
 16:02
alester my first Perl 6 fix, whee!
molcules are list generators not yet lazy in Rakudo? I get a segmentation fault for 16:03
perl6 -e'my @fib = 1, 1, *+* ... *; say @fib[11];'
But not for perl6 -e'my @fib = 1, 1, *+* ... 1000000; say @fib[11];'
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[Coke] `one more question, how to make git log show me the short commit ids? (git log --abbrev doesn't seem to do it.) 16:04
patrickas molcules: I think the list generatino is lazy but the assignement to an array is eager 16:07
BinGOs git log --abbrev-commit
patrickas star: my @fib = 1, 1, *+* ... *; say @fib[11];
p6eval star 2010.07: ( no output )
patrickas star: my @fib := 1, 1, *+* ... *; say @fib[11];
p6eval star 2010.07: ( no output )
patrickas rakudo: my @fib := 1, 1, *+* ... *; say @fib[11];
BinGOs You could also look at '--pretty'
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: ( no output ) 16:08
BinGOs &
[Coke] urk. what does --abbrev do, then?
patrickas rakudo: my @fib := (1, 1, *+* ... *); say @fib[11];
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«144␤»
patrickas molcules there you go ^^ 16:09
molcules patrickas: Thanks. So that is a feature, not a bug, right? That is, the eager list assignment?
patrickas molcules: I think so 16:10
pmichaud list assignment is eager
alester Coke, thanks for applyin' my patch. I'm working on a branch on rakudo right now to clean up the C code in there. Consting, localizing vars, etc
[Coke] alester: it seemed about the level of C I am comfortable with!
alester I really like how Rakudo magically slurps up the GCC compile switches. 16:11
[Coke] (also, let me close a ticket. those things are sprouting again.)
pmichaud however, it should be "mostly eager" -- i.e., it should stop when it can detect or determine that the series is infinite
I'm not quite sure how to do that in the case of a generic series, however.
afk, errands
molcules patrickas: pmichaud: Thanks!
tadzik pmichaud: what is the status of require? Is it to be expected rather soon, or rather later? 16:12
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[Coke] ISTR someone saying require was a SMOP at this point, given use. 16:13
.. but perhaps not. 16:14
masak oh hai! back in Sweden.
phenny masak: 08 Aug 21:34Z <frettled> tell masak The N-queen problem is not a matter of increasing/decreasing the number of nested loops, as you don't know the value of N. N may be -12, 0, 1, 6, 8, 11, and a proper solution has no special-case code for normal values (it is usually deemed acceptable to have a cut-off and say that there are zero solutions for N ≤ 0).
tadzik Maybe a weekly challenge? :)
masak frettled: so the board is still 8x8? I think I missed that.
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TiMBuS 'mostly eager' is ridiculous though.. you should be saying 'lazy --unless proven finite' and building on that philosophy, not the opposite. 16:15
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patrickas what should I do so that (1, 2 , 3 my-infix-operator 4 , 5 , 6) gets parsed as ((1, 2 , 3) my-infix-operator (4 , 5 , 6)) ? 16:21
masak use parentheses in the way you did to explain what you wanted to do? :P 16:22
alester So what do we have in the wya of Parrot profiling tools?
What are we doing to speed stuff up?
TiMBuS can you can set its precedence lower than infix:<,> somehow? 16:23
masak alester: I bet you'd get a much better answer to those two questions on #parrot.
TiMBuS: yes. but not right now in Rakudo, AFAIK.
alester Well, I meant for speeding up in Rakudo.
TiMBuS ah
alester I meant profiling tools for Parrot, so that we in Perl 6 can see which Parrot is getting called a lot.
masak alester: the plan for speeding up Rakudo is outlined in perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/notes-fr...athon.html 16:24
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alester thanks 16:25
masak swimming & 16:26
bbkr rakudo: my $x = 0; "{$x++}" x 4; say $x # is this a bug that string is evaled once, or expected behavior?
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«1␤»
alester hmmm, who's workin' on perl6doc?
tadzik I think masak++ 16:27
TiMBuS rakudo: my $x = 0; "{$x++}" xx 4; say $x # just curious 16:28
p6eval rakudo c1e19a: OUTPUT«1␤»
patrickas masak: lol for your (lack of) help :-p
huf this is how i'd expect x and xx to work based on perl5's x
;) 16:29
which isnt a good guide.
[particle] least surprising behavior surprises you?
huf no, but i dont expect it to work without checking or asking someone here 16:30
bbkr I asked because I cannot find in spec how many times left side is evaluated
oha in f()x4 i expect f() called only once. so the same for "{$x++}" 16:32
bbkr thanks, not a bug then
[Coke] alester: to get parrot-sub-level profiling, you can run "parrot -Dprofiling perl6.pbc <perl6 file or -e foo>" - this gets you a "pprof" file which you can then translate to a callgrind compatiable file and use those tools on. 16:33
alester ouch
I've never had happiness with callgrind
[Coke] this doesn't include the c-level calls, which you can get with cg itself. and it's slow. don't do it on a big program. :| 16:34
alester: thought was to use an existing tool instead of rolling our own.
alester understood
[Coke] I've used that process to find one speedup (that pmichaud had to fix for me 'cause I did it wrong), so it does help.
spectest is sooo slooow. :( 16:35
(on a par with partcl running the tcl test suite. =-)
molcules rakudo-star-team++ Thanks everyone for your work. 16:37
exit
alester masak? 16:39
purl, masak?
tadzik swimming
alester yeah, looking for email
tadzik 1821 masak | swimming &
alester got it. 16:40
patrickas masak so how do the already implemented operators get their precedence ? since "is equiv" is NYI ?
[Coke] patrickas: src/Perl6/Grammar.pm - 16:41
there's a list there in precedence order. 16:42
patrickas [Coke] thx!
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takadonet hey pyrimidine 16:46
pyrimidine o/ 16:47
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[Coke] nopaste.snit.ch/22651 - spectest failures. 16:54
moritz_ pmichaud broke t/spec/S03-smartmatch/any-bool.t. I've assigned him a ticket 16:57
smash that's because of the message you get now, no ? 17:01
moritz_ right 17:02
should be a warning, is fatal
smash nods. 17:03
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pmichaud tadzik: I think 'require' is sooner rather than later. 17:12
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tadzik pmichaud: Maybe for the nearest Rakudo release? 17:13
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pmichaud tadzik: maybe. 17:14
oha does the $!PIO attribute on IO.pm be very different than IO::Socket::INET?
pmichaud tadzik: there are a lot of features and bugfixes piling up, so I'm not yet sure about the order in which they'll be resolved.
tadzik pmichaud: sure thing
pmichaud tadzik: I'll probably want to get DESTDIR= working first. :) 17:15
oha i see that IO is able to returns Buf but not Sockets, and i was not able to hack it to do it
tadzik pmichaud :)
pmichaud oha: I suspect that the current IO implementation wants a bit of a refactor
currently the base IO class should perhaps be a role, and shouldn't be file-specific
oha i had that feeling, but also i get a bit disoriented too and i have no idea how to do it 17:16
i've just tried to paste something inside src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm to make some tests, but i think the $!PIO is not the same there
(and i must wait about 15 minutes to make rakudo, so it's not easy to "try and conquer" here) 17:17
pmichaud what many of us do is try to write the class without compiling it into Rakudo until it works, and then see about merging it into Rakudo
that way small changes don't require full Rakudo recompiles
oha something like making a IO2::*? 17:18
pmichaud I did that for the Range class, for example. I created a MyRange class to do all of my testing and prototyping, and then when it was working I started to merge it into Rakudo
oha: yes.
pyrimidine I did something like this with .trans, using MONKEY_PATCHING
oha so there are no problem using Q:PIR { ... } 17:19
tadzik loliblogged: ttjjss.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/so-...-6-module/
oha i'll try
[Coke] ttjjss.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/so-...-6-module/
bah. ww
oha but i fear i will bug yall here a bit more than i would liked
pmichaud if Rakudo bugs you then it's okay for you to bug us :-) 17:20
isBEKaml tadzik: good post. You'll probably want to mention that this is based on PIONEER in proto docs. Seen from there, everything's optional. ;) 17:21
oha i get confused about Cool.pm but i think i could skip it, am i wrong?
PerlJam tadzik++
tadzik isBEKaml: didn't I?
must have removed it by mistake when refactoring the post
isBEKaml tadzik: oh, btw, "Go and upload You new, shiny module.." ? 17:22
tadzik oh, a typo
isBEKaml++
isBEKaml tadzik: You've sentence-cased You and Your. Was that intentional? I like to think so. :) 17:23
tadzik isBEKaml: well, I tend to use that. Not sure about English, but in Polish You always Upcase „You” in the letters, to show the respect for the reader 17:24
bugs fixed 17:25
[Coke] english, it's reserved for "proper" nouns and sentence starts.
PerlJam I think you should make "You" and "Your" bold as well :)
tadzik :)
isBEKaml tadzik: I'm not a native speaker, but I do know that You and Your don't need to be capitalised, only proper nouns. :)
unless they start the sentence, of course.
tadzik will fix this in a second then
patrickas can someone review/comment a patch that adds the ...^ operator ? github.com/patrickas/rakudo/commit/...db18714b17
isBEKaml tadzik++ 17:26
pmichaud I think I'd prefer to see $all instead of @all. Then you can avoid the :=, too. 17:27
patrickas pmichaud ok doing that
pmichaud seems like you could avoid the @all[0] altogether 17:28
i.e.
my $current = $all.shift;
last if $current eqv $rhs || !$current.defined;
patrickas that's how it started ... But I had some errors ... let me get the exact case 17:29
pmichaud even better would probably be to change loop { ... } into a while
while $all { ... }
patrickas ok maybe coupled with the while it could work 17:30
pmichaud I'm not entirely sure why the undefined check is needed
patrickas I hate it ... plus the fact that I had to do it twice huge code smell :-) I'll try to do without
PerlJam What's the relationship between ...^ and ... ? 17:31
pmichaud ...^ doesn't include its rhs as part of the list
isBEKaml pmichaud: does that mean, x ...^y === x <= t < y ? 17:32
PerlJam So ... this is just an incomplete implementation?
isBEKaml t being any item inbetween x and y.
pmichaud isBEKaml: no, I don't think that's what it means 17:33
PerlJam: I don't understand.
isBEKaml rakudo: 1...^5 { .say }
p6eval rakudo 6d9691: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused at line 22, near "1...^5 { ."␤»
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isBEKaml PerlJam: NYI. 17:34
pmichaud: the above should print 1 to 4, right?
pmichaud isBEKaml: yes.
PerlJam pmichaud: ... sometimes needs more than one element from the list on the left 17:35
pmichaud PerlJam: it does?
oh, from the left
sure
isBEKaml pmichaud: that's what I meant when I said, x <= t < y. left inclusive but not right.
pmichaud PerlJam: in this case, $x probably ends up being the lhs list 17:36
er, $lhs
i.e., 1,2,3 ...^ $foo ends up being invoked as &infix:<...^>( (1,2,3), $foo )
patrickas pmichaud applied your comments, compiling and testing before pushing to my repo. 17:37
PerlJam doubts
pmichaud PerlJam: why do you doubt this?
patrickas PerlJam it does ...
pmichaud infix:<...^> has lower precedence than infix:<,>
patrickas that's why I was asking about how to set the precedence ... to make sure it does 17:38
PerlJam ah ... okay.
maybe
something is niggling the back of my brain, which means I need to see it in action :) 17:39
pmichaud I need to add operator precedence to the roadmap
I guess it's a priority 2
patrickas PerlJam unfortunately it needs a rakudo recompile since there are changes in grammar.pm (for the precedence)
tadzik pmichaud: so about that DESTDIR, is the postpone the module compilation and installation for after installing rakudo and parrot? 17:40
pmichaud tadzik: I'll have to review where we left off last week. Right now I'm trying to get re-settled in at home after being basically absent for a month 17:41
tadzik a'right
pmichaud I do plan to fix it before the next Star release
tadzik again, ready for testing and helping, to what extend I'd be able to 17:42
dalek kudo: 4bd4783 | pmichaud++ | docs/ROADMAP:
Add operator precedence traits to ROADMAP.
pmichaud I just need a day or two to get caught up at home. A lot of home-maintenance tasks have stacked up. :-)
isBEKaml pmichaud: I have already submitted slackbuild scripts separately for rakudo and parrot to slackbuilds.org site pending upload(parrot's approved, though). So, I'm only looking to be able to package modules and docs in the star release. I can help too. 17:43
pmichaud: for slackware linux.
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patrickas pmichaud: applied your comments ... github.com/patrickas/rakudo/commit/...3ab0385d28 17:43
Exodist wow, slackware, thats what I learned on... ah nastalgia :-D 17:44
isBEKaml Exodist: nice, I started off on ubuntu, finally stuck to slackware. :D
Exodist switched to gentoo when they removed a couple packages I needed in 7.2 or semothing, don't recall anymore 17:45
*when slack removed tha packages.
that was a long time ago. 17:46
isBEKaml Exodist: oh, you've been at it far longer than I do. I only started off from the Gutsy days. Settled on Slack since 12.1. :)
Exodist isBEKaml, awesome. ubuntu always breaks on me or keeps me from doing things I need to do, so I could never get into it. 17:47
isBEKaml Exodist: 7.x was so long ago. :)
Exodist heh, I remember spending 3 days w/ a download continuer to get the slacx iso on my 56k modem.
*slack
I was in highschool... now I feel old 17:48
(26)
moritz_ Exodist: most p6 hackers at YAPC::EU were older than that
PerlJam Exodist: 26 is old for highschool :)
isBEKaml Exodist: in my case, firefox just went into a loop in ubuntu. I gave up, dabbled in various other distros. Slack gave me some slack! :)
Exodist: in highschool at 26? ;) 17:49
Exodist I am 26 now...
I was in highschool when I dropped slack for gentoo.
isBEKaml :D 17:50
Exodist maybe a year out of HS.
patrickas and were in highschool 3 days ago when you started slack download ? :-O ! :-P
Exodist whatever the case I am still with gentoo, nothing else makes me happy.
patrickas, that jokes a stretch.
patrickas sorry cnr :)
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PerlJam Exodist: you've only lived approximately 2/3 as long as I have. You don't *really* feel old yet ... just "older" 17:51
isBEKaml patrickas: maybe he's time travelling? SCNR!! :P
Exodist are there ebuilds for parrot and rakudo?
PerlJam, heh, gat married in December, that made me feel growed up,2 I think old comes next right? 17:52
where the hell did that 2 come from?
... oh yah, dvorak.
isBEKaml Exodist: ah, you feel old, alright. :D 17:53
Exodist ,2 is easy to do.
PerlJam Exodist: i'm married with 4 kids. Occasionally I feel "old", but then I realize a good chunk of the population is older than me :)
Exodist: and trust me ... kids will *really* make you feel old.
Exodist I finally fullfilled a desire I had in highschool, did it last night, dyed my beard blue :-D 17:54
PerlJam, my wife and I are warking on kids, we both really want to.
Blue Beard: www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=5...=536320835 17:55
crappy iphone photo, oh well. 17:56
pugssvn r31934 | moritz++ | [evalbot] add partcl-nqp target
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oha i have a method which expect 1 Int, when i use it rakudo say: too many positional arguments: 2 passed, 1 expected 17:59
pmichaud how are you using it?
oha if i add another argument (2 Int now): Not enough positional parameters passed; got 2 but expected 3
i can't replicate it in a minimal class, and i have no idea what's wrong around 18:00
tadzik oh, I got reddited
pmichaud oha: it would help if we could see some code. :)
patrickas what you you pass one extra argument ? do you get "got 3 but expected 3"
oha i'm calling it: my $buff = $sock.read(12);
moritz_ is $sock some weird, low-level parrot object?
oha nope
pugssvn r31935 | moritz++ | [evalbot] filter PCT backtraces from partcl-nqp 18:01
oha too many positional arguments: 2 passed, 1 expected
in 'IO2::Socket::INET::read' at line 85:IO2.pm
changing the name of the method make the same result 18:02
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oha maybe there is some unicode invisible char on the signature? 18:02
pmichaud 18:00 <pmichaud> oha: it would help if we could see some code. :)
moritz_ that would probably produce a parsing error
patrickas oha can you no paste the code ?
moritz_ or push it as a repo somewhere?
oha ok pasting it 18:03
pastebin.com/j5KM7eWk 18:04
calling write works correctly, not for the read tout
[Coke] partcl-nqp: puts moritz_++ 18:05
p6eval partcl-nqp: OUTPUT«moritz_++␤»
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[Coke] BOOYAH. 18:05
pmichaud oha: how is $sock being initialized? 18:06
oha default constructor
pmichaud code, please.
oha all the code is pasted
ohh ok
use IO2;
my $sock = IO2::Socket::INET.new();
$sock.open('127.0.0.1', 4730);
$sock.write(Buf.new([0,82,69,81,0,0,0,16,0,0,0,2, 79,75]));
my $buff = $sock.read(12);
(sorry didn't toug the use was an issue, cauz write() call worked) 18:07
pmichaud I think it's the call to recv() that is giving you the problem, not the call to read() 18:09
#
$S0 = pio.'recv'(nbytes)
If I'm reading correctly, Parrot's 'recv' method doesn't accept an argument. 18:10
i.e., it's pio.'recv'()
oha yes
pmichaud and that's why it's complaining about 2 arguments instead of 1
oha i had to findout by myself
pmichaud (the other argument being the invocant)
oha and also explain why the error message is different
tadzik that's a bit misleading
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oha well thank you pmichaud++ 18:14
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patrickas what a missed opportunity for some cool psychic debugging :-) 18:17
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Acer_ Hello, how can I generate pbc output from a perl6 source file via perl6 18:24
oha @a[$x..*] isn't working, right?
moritz_ Acer_: compile --target=pir, and then use the parrot executable to compile to pbc 18:25
*compile with
patrickas moritz_ I was telling you earlier today that I tracked the MAIN bug reported not long ago to 18:28
rakudo: sub foo ( $f = rand ) { say $f; }; say Capture.new() ~~ &foo.signature; foo();
p6eval rakudo 6d9691: OUTPUT«0␤0.949168307331519␤»
Acer_ generation of pir file worked, how can I generate a pbc file from the pir file using parrot ?
patrickas Am I matching the sig correctly? I think I got the way to do it from jnthn++ 18:29
Acer_ moritz: thank's - generation of pir file worked fine, how can I generate the pbc file from the pir file using parrot ? 18:35
[Coke] parrot -o foo.pbc foo.pir ? 18:38
(you might need more options depending on the PIR and things it includes, etc.) 18:39
patrickas [Coke] --output-pbc is not needed ? 18:40
[Coke] my line works. yours is more verbose and doesn't rely on the file extension. 18:41
patrickas oh ok ... "works" beats "more verbose" ;-) 18:42
Acer_ parrot -o foo.pbc foo.pir outputs error:imcc:syntax error, unexpected PREG ... running perl6 foo.pl worked
[Coke] Acer_: what version are you using? 18:43
Acer_ Raduko Star on windows
[Coke] ISTR pmichaud++ recently fixed this. 18:44
I think it's broken in star, but working in rakudo-compiler-latest.
Acer_ parrot 2.6.0
is this fix already available? 18:45
tadzik Acer_: what if You run parrot code.pir? 18:46
(bah, this "You" again :))
Acer_ get the same error: eror:imcc:syntax error ... 18:47
tadzik then yes, it's fixed in upstream
I remember the commit
Acer_ is a windows binary available or is it in the next release? 18:48
tadzik I think You'll have to wait for the next Star release, or You can try building the recent Rakudo from git
I'm not familiar with windows though
Acer_ thanks - i am looking forward to the next release 18:49
slavik I come from future ... 18:53
Perl6 has been released
and Christmas has been moved to that day
hooray!
I have no idea why ... but felt the need to do that
tadzik are you sure you didn't come from the past? :)
slavik tadzik: I don't know anymore 18:54
tadzik :)
slavik tadzik: if the futurama principle is right, time wraps around
tadzik slavik: never seen any futurama 18:55
slavik *gasp*
oh, nvm ... you live under a represive regime
tadzik excuse me?
I just don't watch television, that's all
slavik D: 18:56
tadzik trust me or not, I find it pretty boring
I barely stand films
slavik that's because you need to watch the good stuff
but you get formula1 on tv, no?
tadzik I wouldn't like to insult anyone, but formula1 seems pretty boring to me 18:57
slavik :(
tadzik damn, they're just riding in circles, how many times? Few dozens or something
slavik tadzik: no ... NASCAR is circles
tadzik oh
but they are doing a few dozens rounds, aren't they? 18:58
slavik and people think that's exciting
yes
tadzik so that't kinda repetitive :)
but at least that's not surrounded by ads all the time 18:59
ads are like if someone was chopping my brain into pieces and sucking the juice out of ti
like the music in the supermarkets
slavik tadzik: our national past time is hitting a ball with a stick and running around in a circle
tadzik baseball? :) 19:00
well, there's some variety :)
slavik yes, we even have a name for it
tadzik: it's because italy didn't win the world cup
isn't it?
tadzik I've never seen baseball too I must say. Is it exciting?
slavik hell no
3 hours of just sitting there
or something
it's like tennis, but worse 19:01
tadzik trust me or not, but I prefer tennis to voleyball
and table tennis. Maybe because I can play table tennis
slavik table tennis is teh awesome 19:02
but here it is "ping pong" ...
silly americans
oha i've always thought about that: is the people enjoy what they know, or know what they enjoy?
tadzik but that's basically two guys pushing the ball to the other side, isn't it? Watching it must be boring
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tadzik oha: philosophic 19:03
and interestingt
slavik Brazil is playing US in a friendly tomorrow, but nobody wants to come see it :(
tadzik football?
frettled masak: no, the board is also NxN
masak frettled: hm.
slavik yes
tadzik oh, masak. I wrote this blog post
rokoteko tadzik: isnt ping-pong one of the first computer games?
masak tadzik: url?
tadzik rokoteko: that's just "pon" 19:04
* pong
slavik ping is the player, pong is the game
rokoteko .. the idea is the same :)
tadzik masak: ttjjss.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/so-...-6-module/
frettled masak: The 8-queen problem isn't particularly interesting, but the N-queen problem is a challenge in algorithm efficiency :) (www.math.utah.edu/~alfeld/queens/queens.html has something about it)
tadzik rokoteko: ping-pong is 3-dimensional 19:05
frettled masak: Oh, I have some fugly C code for it.
literal related: youtube.com/watch?v=Pj2NOTanzWI#t=4m08 19:06
rokoteko tadzik: ah. I was only reacting to your comment which mention 'to the other side' .. it doesnt mention the concept of 3rd dimension.
tadzik: :)
tadzik rokoteko: oh, that idea :)
well, even volleyball is the same idea, but they have plenty of guys, or girls 19:07
but shh, there's a Perl 6 discussion now, they might accuse us of offtopic
frettled masak: This _must_ be possible to do in a prettier way: pastebin.com/4TPTP8AD 19:08
That code is legal in Norway, BTW (over 16 years old) ;)
moritz_ frettled: yes, recursion :-)
rokoteko hmm. quite switch back to perl. where was it, what I was wondering about. the example in S04. what goes wrong here: 19:09
rakudo: my @list = <a b a c d>; { my $previous; my @uniq = gather for @list { $previous = take $_; next if $_ === $previous; $previous = take $_ }; @uniq.perl.say }
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«["a", "b", "a", "c", "d"]␤»
moritz_ why do you think anything goes wrong? 19:10
rokoteko and even if its <a a b c d> (which the code above suggests, *to me*) it doesn't return a list with unique items.
moritz_: I assumed it returns unique items of the item passed in. am I wrong?
moritz_ rokoteko: you are wrong
rokoteko: what the code does is filter out subsequent identical items 19:11
rokoteko rakudo: my @list = <a a b c d>; { my $previous; my @uniq = gather for @list { $previous = take $_; next if $_ === $previous; $previous = take $_ }; @uniq.perl.say }
frettled moritz_: that C code _does_ use recursion. It's just cleverly hidden. ;)
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«["a", "a", "b", "c", "d"]␤»
rokoteko moritz_: nope. it does not.
moritz_ rokoteko: ok, it's supposed to :-)
wait
that is weird
rokoteko I thought so also. Tried to ask here earlier but got no comments. 19:12
... been going, slowly but surely, through the synopsis.
moritz_ rakudo: my @list = <a a b c d>; { my $previous; my @uniq = gather for @list { next if $_ == $previous; $previous = take $_ } }
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in numeric context␤Use of uninitialized value in numeric context␤Use of uninitialized value in numeric context␤Use of uninitialized value in numeric context␤Use of uninitialized value in numeric context␤»
rokoteko rakudo: my @list = <a a b c d>; { my $previous; my @uniq = gather for @list { $previous = take $_; next if $_ eq $previous; $previous = take $_ }; @uniq.perl.say } 19:13
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«["a", "a", "b", "c", "d"]␤»
rokoteko still wrong.
PerlJam rokoteko: just get rid of the first "$previous = take $_"
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rokoteko rakudo: my @list = <a a b c d>; { my $previous; my @uniq = gather for @list { $previous = take $_; next if $_ eq $previous; }; @uniq.perl.say } 19:14
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«["a", "a", "b", "c", "d"]␤»
rokoteko ahh.
rakudo: my @list = <a a b c d>; { my $previous; my @uniq = gather for @list { next if $_ eq $previous; $previous = take $_ }; @uniq.perl.say }
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«["a", "b", "c", "d"]␤»
rokoteko PerlJam: so it's an error in S04 then. ok thanks :)
PerlJam: I was very puzzled when reading this example. 19:15
PerlJam: now I can continue with the synopsis. hurray! \\o/ 19:16
.. or does calling state do something I dont quite understand? it's NYI, so couldnt test. :) 19:20
oha i hate ugly code! 19:24
i have @a; i need to "shift" $n items from @a to @b
PerlJam rokoteko: in the S04 example, they use state on the first call to $previous = take $_ ? 19:25
masak oha: splice
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masak oha: perldoc -f splice 19:26
oha masak, googling ty
rokoteko PerlJam: it's available at perlcabal.org/syn/S04.html .. search for "uniq = gather for"
PerlJam rokoteko: S04 is fine then. 19:27
rokoteko PerlJam: ok. what I don't understand?
PerlJam state $previous = take $_; # this assignment only happens once.
rokoteko PerlJam++: hmm. yes. if it's like my example above, it should act like that. very true. thanks for explanation, I was very sure there's something I just dont get here. :) 19:28
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dsrogers greetings. I see noise about tail call elimination in perl6. 19:31
is that implemented yet in raduko star?
err, rakudo rather.
sorear no
dsrogers ok. 19:32
what about threads?
I think not, as well...
tadzik they're not in Parrot, iirc
sorear threads haven't even been specced
tadzik (yet)
dsrogers ok
is fork available?
tadzik Yep 19:33
rokoteko when it is implemented (tail call elimination), what is the syntax supposed to look like (also a link to a synopsis is ok)?
tadzik But not sure if natively, I know you can use it through Zavolaj
sorear rokoteko: not yet decided
rokoteko sorear: ok.
dsrogers is there a CPS transform available (like a for comprehension or something)? 19:35
or do blocks maybe?
Casan rakudo: my @a = <1 2 3 4 5 6>; my @b = <7 8 9>; unshift(@b, splice(@a, 0, 2)).say; 19:36
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«12789␤»
Casan works, but ugly.
depending on taste. oha. try to make it more beautiful. 19:37
oha right now i've used: @b = @a[0..^$n]; @a=@a[$n..@a.elems]; 19:38
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dsrogers are there list comprehensions in perl6 ? 19:44
masak dsrogers: my @primes = $_ if isprime($_) for 1..100; 19:46
[Coke] is dsrogers a new perl6 implementation? =-) 19:48
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[particle] ooh, a wetware p6 compiler! 19:49
dsrogers has been upgraded
[particle] i wonder how well laziness is implemented 19:50
melte only problem is he's a little slow right now. but with practice we're sure he'll be optimized 19:52
dsrogers naw, the problem is that isprime() is not defined. 19:54
masak it might be, in some Perl 6 implementations :P 19:55
dsrogers are source filters planned for perl6? 19:58
(i.e. can we add more sugar?) 19:59
oha i want to write a signature for a function, which must accept a callback which have as signature an Int 20:00
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squeeky dsrogers: source filters, aka giving either damian conway or someone equally as mad a good reason to port Acme::Bleach over? 20:01
dsrogers lol
oha it seems to me that foo($code(Int $x)) is working, but i was not able to invoke it using a pointy block 20:02
dsrogers no, I just like my haskell do blocks (aka scala for comprehesions, aka compiler CPS transform)
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gfldex oha: perlcabal.org/syn/S06.html#Closure_parameters 20:03
oha gfldex ty
gfldex std: sub foo(&block:(Int --> Str)){} 20:05
p6eval std 31912: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 116m␤»
gfldex rakudo: sub foo(&block:(Int --> Str)){}
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤traits specified as colon pairs not yet understood at line 22, near "){}"␤»
dalek psi: b3af4ad | masak++ | lib/Yapsi.pm:
[Yapsi] fixed faulty <!after> workaround

original meaning of the thing being replaced. Otherwise, things will start to fail, and you'll have to debug them.
Casan Here is some p6 OO I'm troubling with.. proper problem description in the pastebin. I'm still struggling, maybe someone has a great hint? pastebin.org/462763
oha Casan, one thing i noticed is that you declares has @students[*] and iirw the * there is not working on rakudo 20:08
Casan I want to have the Student objects added to the Students container automatically as they are constructed/instantiated as part of the Student constructor which I've overriden to achieve this feature.
oha but you can just skip it
has Student @students;
Casan oha. yep it can just be ignored, just did it to be as explicit as possible.
oha Casan, but Student istance can't know in which container instance it must add itself 20:09
it is more straight if, having a Students $list you: $list.newStudent(...); 20:10
and it first invoke the new in Student, then add the result to himself and return it
Casan, does it make sense to you or i completely misunderstood what you were asking? 20:11
Casan oha: I guess what I want is something similar to an ArrayList in java, and collections. this time it is specific, but maybe later I want it to be generic. but maybe a Students $list would be more appropriate I don't know, right now I'm just experimenting, and wanted to start out with using an Array. 20:14
gfldex Casan: as i understand it your problem is that you need a singleton for Students that is declared in Student.pm6
dsrogers is >> parallelized in rakudo?
gfldex or you have to hand a reference to that container to each Student.new
Casan thanks, brb, phone.
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gfldex dsrogers: all hyper operators are candidats for autothreading, but given that there are no threads in rakudo yet, i doubt you will see much in parallel 20:18
sorear dsrogers: No source filters in perl 6 (yet). But macros are available. 20:24
dsrogers ooo
macros.
yum
sorear Perl 6 is parsed using a Perl 6 grammar
you can already do the equivalent of an "augment grammar Perl6::Grammar" to add syntactic productions in Rakudo 20:25
although this is highly implementation specific
implementation-independant macros are still being designed
rakudo: use MONKEY_TYPING; augment grammar Perl6::Grammar { token comment:sym<.oO> { <sym> <quote_EXPR> } }; Perl6::Grammar!protoregex_generation(); eval(' say 42; .oO( heh heh ); say 42;'); # from jnthn 20:27
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«42␤42␤»
sorear rakudo: BEGIN { use MONKEY_TYPING; augment grammar Perl6::Grammar { token comment:sym<.oO> { <sym> <quote_EXPR> } }; Perl6::Grammar!protoregex_generation(); }; say 42; .oO( heh heh ); say 42; 20:28
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤A method named '!PREFIX__comment:sym<.oO>' already exists in class 'Perl6;Grammar'. It may have been supplied by a role.␤»
sorear rakudo: use MONKEY_TYPING; augment grammar Perl6::Grammar { token comment:sym<.oO> { <sym> <quote_EXPR> } }; BEGIN { Perl6::Grammar!protoregex_generation(); }; say 42; .oO( heh heh ); say 42;
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«42␤Could not find sub &heh␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/8qCmAqm9tf␤» 20:29
Casan thanks for the feedback, I'll spend a few days(patience is a virtue) thinking more about it and consider your input, and we'll see where that leads me. 20:32
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squeeky MUHAHAHAHA! IT WORKS! I AM ONE CAN SHORT OF A SIX PACK! 20:52
[Coke] Oö 20:54
squeeky github.com/squeeks/homebrew/commit/...de986e7084 21:00
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masak ahoy! 21:38
squeeky avé! 21:39
masak :) 21:40
masak does some late-night Perl 6 hacking
dalek psi: bf1964c | masak++ | lib/Yapsi.pm:
[Yapsi] updated comment to fit with reality
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masak "They’re based on the proto PIONEER document, but remember, there’s no standard. It’s just a convention, You can accept it or ignore it." -- ttjjss.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/so-...-6-module/ 21:45
tadzik++
frettled masak: yay 21:46
alester hey masak. 21:47
got a few minutes? 21:48
masak I do.
alester let's talk u4x
masak yes, let's.
alester in about 5 mins when I get back from the john.
masak overshare :P
melte it'd be worse if it was "in about 5 mins when I get back ON the john." 21:49
masak let's not dwell on what would be worse...
dalek psi: e668b7d | masak++ | lib/Yapsi.pm:
[Yapsi] saner naming: renamed sub
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alester Yeah, you don't know how often I'm on perl6 doing number2.
masak we need to get rules or something on this channel. :) 21:51
a standard, perhaps.
alester I thought #1 and #2 were standard.
OK, so, u4x.
it's a little project in pugs
and it's documentation
and I'm reading the README
masak so far, so good. 21:52
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masak alester: if you start wondering "but where's the contents?", it's because there's precious little of it so far. 21:54
dalek psi: ea9058b | masak++ | lib/Yapsi.pm:
[Yapsi] whitespace therapy
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alester hold on, fire
masak in the john? 21:57
by all means, put it out and then we can talk.
I respect when people have their priorities down.
alester oh, I got it.
I am enjoying the idea of "grok" as a tool.
masak literal++ did a GSoC and wrote grok last summer. 21:58
alester Do we actually want this to stay in pugs?
masak though it's far from done, and the content needs to be written.
alester: it's more like "do we actually want to call that repo 'pugs'?" 21:59
Pugs is not even in there anymore.
alester because the repo is now the general "everything that's perl 6 that isnt just Rakudo"
masak well, kinda.
alester I am not seeing grok in here
frettled masak: it will be a nice mystery for code archaeologists in half a century.
masak grok is not in there, correct.
alester where is it
masak it has its own github repo, ISTR.
masak looks
alester I'm thinking u4x ought to as well 22:00
masak alester: github.com/hinrik/grok/
alester hinrik = literal?
masak aye.
alester I can't keep people stragiht. 22:01
frettled alester: not your problem ;)
masak alester: one nice thing about having u4x in the Mu repo (as moritz_++ calls it nowadays) is that very many people have commit bits to it, and it's easy to hand them out.
alester true
masak that's why I put it there. 22:02
alester oh wait, grok isn't in p6?
that's crazy 22:03
but ok
dalek psi: c0dc9f1 | masak++ | lib/Yapsi.pm:
[Yapsi] used delegation instain copy-paste
masak should probably stop coding for the night :)
alester masak: "Who kill their babbies, because they cannot frigth back?" is not a question.
masak alester: it is in the source of that quote.
alester No, it's a statement. 22:04
masak checks
avuserow it's a meme, don't worry about it
alester They need to way instain mother who kill their baby because these baby can't frigth back.
now i'm gonna have to go watch it a dozen more times.
masak alester: no, it's a question. www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf
I thought I remembered the inflection right. 22:05
alester ok, ok, you're right
I thought it was a statemnet.
frettled To question or not to question the question, that's the question's question of the question.
alester I am truely sorry.
masak :D
for your lots.
lue hello o/ 22:06
masak lue: hi!
frettled \\o/ 22:07
masak alester: about literal's grok being written in Perl 5: I was the mentor on that project, and I didn't want the resulting product to be too slow to be usable. therefore I actually suggested Perl 5 as the implementation language. it also makes a lot of sense from a modules perspective. 22:08
alester ok, so what we need in u4x is the docs.
not code
masak yes.
happily, people seem to be converging on helping with u4x after the Star release.
I have been waiting for that, almost to the point of forgetting I was waiting for that. 22:09
now all we need is to scale up the structures for helping in pace with the number of helpers :)
lue
.oO(If only there was a good foss CAD program)
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masak lue: while OT is tolerated on this channel, it helps if the things mentioned bear even a teeny relation to Perl 6, Perl, or programming. even the things in thought bubbles. :) 22:13
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avar rakudo: my @a; push @a, (00..99, 111, 222, 777, 666, "XXXX").pick for 1..10; @a.perl 22:15
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: ( no output )
avar rakudo: my @a; push @a, (00..99, 111, 222, 777, 666, "XXXX").pick for 1..5; @a.perl
lue Sorry. It was a... pun.
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: ( no output )
avar that's slooow in a shell 22:16
$ time perl6 -e 'my @a; push @a, (00..99, 111, 222, 777, 666, "XXXX").pick for 1..10; say @a.perl'
[36, 27, 80, 32, 8, 13, 91, 72, 10, 91]
masak lue: oh. I missed the pun.
avar real 0m3.500s
masak avar: I think it was discovered recently that lists are unnecessarily slow.
avar no kidding :) 22:17
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lue Well, something like it. I'm looking for CAD/Architecture right now, so it's a pun-thing for me. 22:17
sjohnson afternoon #p6
masak sjohnson! \\o/
lue hai o/ 22:18
sjohnson hi guys
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masak lue: still don't see the pun. but that's OK. 22:18
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tadzik 'evening 22:21
masak tadzik: \\o
tadzik: kudos on the blog post.
tadzik: fwiw, I think you got the tone just right about what PIONEER is.
tadzik masak: I tried not to make You angry :)
masak heh. 22:22
tadzik so no "standard" is mentioned ;)
masak sorry for shouting "NO!" at you last time. :P
tadzik oh come on ;)
although there are some specs on the module case
someone even reddited me ;) 22:23
lue masak: I used the word 'pun' in the "I don't know what to call it" sense. (Like in the Monty Python `Dead Parrot' sketch) </offtopic> 22:24
masak tadzik: url?
tadzik masak: www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/cz5b..._6_module/
masak lue: ok. 22:25
tadzik: nice! 22:26
tadzik masak: I wasn't planning to reddit this actally, but as long as people are upvoting, I'm glad
sjohnson masak: what part of the world are ya in?
always curious about your timezone :)
masak upvotes tadzik 22:27
sjohnson: CET. I should be sleeping by now; for once I have a sane sleeping cycle going.
tadzik I wish I was writing such valuable Perl
sjohnson ahh cool 22:28
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masak sjohnson: where are you? 22:31
alester masak: So really, theres' not much here AT ALL 22:33
is there any reason to not start stealing from the perl5 docs as starting points?
masak alester: as long as it checks out with licenses, that's fine.
might even be a really good idea. 22:34
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alester and all this is perl 5 pod 22:34
so really I don't care about perl6.pod
masak yes. until we get a decent enough Pod (6) parser, it's Perl 5 POD. 22:35
frettled Perl 6 documentation should be called "pnd" (plain new documentation)
:)
tadzik :)
huf or ancient. after all, the hidden knowledge of the ancients is always better than the new stuff 22:36
frettled Taking it one step further, as I feel I must: pwnd (plain worldclass new documentation)
huf ;)))
araujo yeah, those ancient guys really knew lot of stuff
sjohnson masak: western canada 22:37
BC
masak araujo: those ancient were way before their time.
frettled araujo: they were a bit rusty concerning Duff's device, but who can blame'm?
araujo heh
pugssvn r31936 | andy++ | fixed whitespace and set the filetype to pod, not perl6, which it certainly is not
huf araujo: the ancients have foretold the coming of perl6. they knew enough. ;)
frettled stops fooling around and heads for that firm, comfortable bed. 22:38
masak is tempted, too
frettled masak: you haven't been fooling around enough yet ;) 22:40
'night!
tadzik 'night
masak frettled: 'night! 22:42
I didn't know there was a fooling-around quota one had to fill before going to bed... 22:43
alester masak: Will start looking tonight 22:45
masak \\o/
alester thinking maybe wikifying might be helpful at first
dunno
rolling around ideas.
ttyl
masak properly used, the pugs/Mu repo is a wiki.
that's how I've always thought about it, anyway. 22:46
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dalek psi: f469702 | masak++ | lib/Yapsi.pm:
[Yapsi] corrected recent change

trivial ones. That's what it's there for.		 22:53
tadzik goodnight 23:00
masak Living, baby!
sorear yapsi has a testsuite now? 23:01
tylercurtis rakudo: my $x = Mu // Whatever; for 1 ... $x -> $i { say $i; last if $i == 10 } 23:03
p6eval rakudo 4bd478: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤6␤7␤8␤9␤10␤»
sorear Whatever is undefined
* is defined
masak sorear: Yapsi has had a test suite from the start. it has decent coverage. this month's release had three regressions, one of which I fixed today. 23:04
sorear: the other two regressions are because I found a nicer way to create the static lexical scopes, but that made it more difficult to detect use-before-declaration. kind of a waterbed effect there. 23:09
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masak zzz & 23:19
waste anyone know which file implements the REPL? 23:22
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sorear waste: mostly HLL/Compiler.pm in the nqp-rx repo 23:38
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tylercurtis sorear: does the spec say that? Or is it just that way in Rakudo? Are there any particular implications of that(other than for things that check $foo.defined)? 23:47
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