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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
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sorear is pondering the API for tied scalar variables 05:28
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Layla_91 hola o/ 07:17
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jnthn o/ Layla_91 07:33
Layla_91 jnthn: \o/
jnthn :)
Layla_91: How's things? 07:34
Long time no see... :)
Layla_91 erm.. I am not good in using irc.. can you open a separate room? :)
moritz Layla_91: /msg jnthn OH HAI 07:36
that starts a private conversation 07:37
Layla_91 moritz: thanks,,, oh hi by the way ^_^
moritz :-)
Layla_91 ops.. extra work tasks :( coming back soon 07:39
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jnthn oh noes...I had to focus on $dayjob and missed layla :( 07:48
moritz
.oO( no liayson :-)
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jnthn :P 07:51
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tadzik hello zebras 09:05
moritz hello panda!
tadzik (: 09:06
how are things?
moritz $work progresses rather slowly 09:07
tadzik oh. I have a week of learning Physics just ahead :) 09:08
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moritz nopaste.snit.ch/39484 # somebody in #perlde asked, so I made a small Match.pretty demonstration 11:48
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dalek ecza: 745e365 | pmurias++ | hoopl/ (2 files):
started hoopl-based optimizer (and possible future haskell backend ;)
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takadonet morning all
pmurias takadonet: hi
takadonet pmurias: how are u sir? 12:22
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mberends tadzik: ping 12:22
pmurias takadonet: fine 12:25
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jnthn o/ mberends :) 12:28
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mberends wb jnthn ! 12:33
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jnthn :) 12:35
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mberends jnthn: I'll be ready to start installing a new Popolnik on pivo by the end of the week, could you please make me a sudoer for that? 12:35
jnthn mberends: Yes, but not right now (doing $dayjob bits). Will tyr and remember this evening...harrass me more if I forget. :) 12:36
tadzik mberends: pong
mberends tadzik: when I stopped work on Pod6 some time ago (mainly for performance reasons), I promised myself that I would come back and re-do a lot of work in C one day. that day is coming soon, so I thought I'd let you know before your GSOC application goes in that I may be doing some work concurrently with you, on a C based Pod6 parser. We may be able to compare ideas on spec changes, unit tests and algorithms. 12:39
tadzik mberends: that's awesome. If I'll get accepted of course :) 12:40
(otherwise that's half awesome (:)
mberends tadzik: I have full confidence in your proposal being accepted :)
tadzik yay, that's my 1/n of the success :) 12:41
mberends o/ # $work 12:44
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dalek ecza: 39ddf6a | pmurias++ | hoopl/nam.hs:
[hoopl] parse more unit attributes
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ecza: f909045 | pmurias++ | hoopl/nam.hs:
[hoopl] handle bottom ref
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dalek ecza: ea3e9f8 | pmurias++ | hoopl/ (2 files):
[hoopl] added a .cabal file
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tylercurtis Hello, #perl6. 16:20
tadzik hello tylercurtis 16:22
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colomon \o 16:28
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jnthn #phasers? 17:24
In...35 minutes? 17:25
95 minutes?
:)
jnthn suspects daylight saving time happened while he was away :)
huf if we have to have this foolishness, at least we could have the switchover on the same day everywhere... 17:33
jnthn I'm wondering if Taiwan simply doesn't have this foolishness at all :)
Clocks certainly didn't change while I was there, and I think they did here in Europe.
huf you were gone a long time then, i think it was weeks ago 17:34
tadzik yep, the weekend before the last weekend
huf or maybe just days and my sense of time is useless again :D
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jnthn tadzik: Yeah, that weekend's when I was at OSDC.TW 17:35
:)
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masak o/ 18:46
hm, I seem not to have missed #phasers :>
PerlJam it's in 12 minues isn't it ? 18:48
er, minutes
jnthn I'm guessing it's 9pm under our latest time regime. :)
colomon it's in 12 minutes as far as I know
masak PerlJam: 12 minuets :P
colomon I can't do 12 minuets before 3pm! 18:49
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masak I hope that, if someone jumps on the project of making a bytecode version of SIC for a C interpreter to run-very-fast, they name it seaSIC. ;) 19:34
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TimToady if slow, sicdog 19:40
Util_ Which repo houses Winxed?
tylercurtis masak: Given that yapsi could be considered a compiler, and that both "yapsi" and "yapc" could be pronounced "yap-sea", would you consider replacing the "si" with a picture of a sea? :) 19:41
tadzik googlecode
masak tylercurtis: even better. 'siSIC', then. :) 19:42
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Moukeddar hello there 20:13
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tadzik hello Moukeddar 20:15
Moukeddar i hope you're doing ok 20:16
masak hi Moukeddar! we're fine, how are you?
Moukeddar what fields perl is shinning in ?
i'm pretty good thank you ?
tadzik flexibility
PerlJam Moukeddar: um ... that list is too long :)
masak text munging.
web.
tadzik the joy of using
masak glue.
PerlJam Moukeddar: maybe you should ask us where we wouldn't use perl :)
Moukeddar why they use it to write exploits ?
masak for the above reasons.
tadzik because they feel comfortable with it, that's my guess 20:17
Moukeddar i'm thinking about trying it :)
masak try it! it's easy!
rakudo: say "hi Moukeddar!"
PerlJam Moukeddar: trying to write an exploit?
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«hi Moukeddar!␤»
tadzik Moukeddar: Perl 5 or Perl 6?
Moukeddar i'll also study it in my 3rd year in university :D 20:18
idk
what's the diff ?
tadzik whoa
PerlJam They are different languages.
Moukeddar really ?
masak Moukeddar: Perl 5 is the present. Perl 6 is the future.
Moukeddar lol
how obvious 20:19
masak ...except that Perl 6 is also the present and Perl 5 is also the future :P
it's... complicated. :)
Moukeddar wait
i'm confused
masak yes, sorry about that.
tadzik Perl5 ----------------->
PerlJam Moukeddar: that's okay, that's the way of things.
tadzik Perl6 \----------------->
bleh
Moukeddar lol
funny guys
PerlJam If you're not confused, you haven't been paying close enough attention.
masak PerlJam intruded into the nice ASCII chart :P
Moukeddar brb guys 20:20
tadzik guess Perl6 was too slow
(ha ha!)
masak :P
tadzik okay, if I has an windows, how do I compile Rakudo on that? 20:22
. o O ( Panda on Rakudo on Windows 7 on Virtualbox. I'll have to think for a new word for "Slow" )
PerlJam sloth 20:23
(a very punnable word too1 :)
er, s/1/!
masak molassesware. 20:24
Moukeddar back 20:26
so
perl6 or 5 ?
tadzik it depends
if you feel adventurous, definitely 6
if you want stable, die-hard piece of software with lotsa, lotsa modules, go 5
masak if you want speed and in-production values, definitely 5.
if you like the future, definitely 6 :) 20:27
Moukeddar i feel lost already
i want em alll
all of em
masak we do too :)
PerlJam Moukeddar: then try both
tadzik if you want to achieve fame and glory doing simple things only because no one did them before... take a guess :)
masak yes. try both, one after the other.
Moukeddar lol 20:28
i didn't know perl IRC channel was this awesome
masak Moukeddar: my two favorite languages right now are Perl 6 and Perl 5, in some unknown order. :)
Moukeddar right now all i do is C# 20:29
masak ooh, then you'll like our Perls :)
Moukeddar so i was thinking maybe it's time to try some Weird-ars yet powerfull language
masak rakudo: class C { method foo { say "OH HAI" } }; C.new.foo
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«OH HAI␤»
Moukeddar and that brought me here
masak Moukeddar: look at this: 20:30
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masak rakudo: say [+] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 20:30
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«15␤»
masak Moukeddar: '[+]' means "sum all of the values"
Moukeddar WOW
masak \o/
rakudo: say [max] 1, 4, 2, 7, 3, 5 20:31
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«7␤»
Moukeddar it's even weirder than those creepy scripting languages like LUA
i'm going to try it definitly
masak yes, Lua is a small fish next to Perl. :)
colomon rakudo: say (1, 4, 2, 7, 3).max 20:32
masak or, shall we say, a satellite...
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«7␤»
tadzik (ha-ha-ha!)
PerlJam "creepy scripting languages"? creepy?
masak Rakudo creeps :P
Moukeddar scripting creeps me out
tbh
masak Moukeddar: 'scripting' is just a state of mind.
tadzik oh, this snippet was waiting for this moment:
Moukeddar exactly and i had no intent to get involved
tadzik rakudo: my @a = "hip" xx 2; say ~(@a, @a.WHAT.perl), "!"
colomon rakudo: say (1, 4, 2, 7, 3).max( { abs($_ - 8) })
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«hip hip Array!␤»
rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«1␤»
masak tadzik++! 20:33
*lol*
colomon tadzik++
tadzik masak: I was keeping it in my mountain hideout for months! :)
Moukeddar lol
i'm so in love
tadzik masak++ # that's actually masak-san's snippet
masak huh.
tadzik ha-ha!
:D
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masak rakudo: my %h; say "Help, I'm in a {%h.WHAT} and I can't get out!" 20:34
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«Help, I'm in a Hash() and I can't get out!␤»
tadzik irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2010-08-06#i_2672629
masak rakudo: my %h; say "Help, I'm in a {%h.WHAT.perl} and I can't get out!" 20:35
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«Help, I'm in a Hash and I can't get out!␤»
tadzik rakudo: sub postfix:<_NOT> { !$^n }; say Bool::True_NOT
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«Cannot find sub Bool::True_NOT␤ in main program body at line 1␤»
tadzik oh you
Moukeddar tadzik, don't creep me
masak tadzik: _ is \w, hence identifier.
tadzik rakudo: sub postfix:<_NOT> { !$^n }; say 1_NOT 20:36
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤»
tadzik :)
Moukeddar: with great flexibility comes great responsibility
just see what people write in Perl 5
Moukeddar it's been a while since i used the "^" symbol
i'll kick some ass when i'll learn it 20:37
tadzik tee-hee
masak Moukeddar: here $^n means "$n is a parameter but we're too lazy to declare it" :)
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tadzik <obligatory fibonacci sequence example> 20:37
Moukeddar and all those Class noobs will be like
masak Moukeddar: 'sub foo($n) { say $n }' is the same as 'sub foo { say $^n }'
Moukeddar O_O What the heck was that ?
lol
masak :) 20:38
tadzik rakudo: (1,1,*+*...*)[^20].perl.say
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«(1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765)␤»
tadzik there we go
masak Perl 6 has classes, it's just not obsessed with them.
Moukeddar damn
tylercurtis rakudo: sub postfix<!>(Int $n where $n > 1) { [*] 1..$n }; say 5!
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 22␤»
Moukeddar right now i'm the one with saliva druling
tylercurtis rakudo: sub postfix:<!>(Int $n where $n > 1) { [*] 1..$n }; say 5!
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 22␤» 20:39
tadzik I think we should put the fibonacci example into the Zebras' House of Fear
moritz tylercurtis: precedence
where (...)
PerlJam other languages should use the "caste" keyword instead of "class" :)
tadzik :D:D:
masak Moukeddar: you remind me of sjonson's entrance :)
moritz or you need a block
tadzik IAL :)
masak Moukeddar: hold on, let me get the blog post for you :)
Moukeddar the what ?
tylercurtis rakudo: sub postfix:<!>(Int $n where (* > 1)) { [*] 1..$n }; say 5!
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«120␤»
tylercurtis rakudo: sub postfix:<!>(Int $n where (* > 1)) { [*] 1..$n }; say 0!
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«Constraint type check failed for parameter '$n'␤ in 'postfix:<!>' at line 22:/tmp/0dR2MafU6K␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/0dR2MafU6K␤»
masak Moukeddar: strangelyconsistent.org/blog/how-pe...lls-itself 20:40
tylercurtis moritz++ thanks
We may be at risk of overwhelming Moukeddar with cool Perl 6 examples. 20:41
masak wouldn't be the first overwhelmed visitor :P
"Perl 5: it whelms. Perl 6: it overwhelms." 20:42
tadzik masak: oh, I haven't seen this one 20:43
there's also this "Perl 5 is a city, Perl 6 is a velocity", or is it?
oh no, it's a velociraptor and acceleraptor 20:44
masak though the city/velocity is kinda zen too. :P
tylercurtis masak: I didn't previously realize that "whelm" is a word.
tadzik is it? 20:45
masak seemingly.
tylercurtis With, according to wiktionary, roughly the same meaning as "overwhelm".
tadzik masak: I actually started laughing about this even before I finished typing :)
masak studying Latin, one realizes that English likes to prefix words with prepositions. the roots are still in there, somehwere. 20:46
Moukeddar holy crap 20:47
the blog post is hilarious
masak sjonson++ 20:48
Moukeddar lenght is a dirty word :p
masak er, sjohnson++
sjohnson what did i do? :)
Moukeddar the .pick is kinda like LINQ :)
sjohnson oh right, that blog thing
masak++ # #1 perl6 blogger 20:49
masak <3
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masak oh wait. this is a Unicode channel. 20:49
masak ♥
sjohnson haha
Moukeddar i see you stole some LINQ methods
lol
wait
masak generally, we try to steal all the good parts everywhere. 20:50
Moukeddar they might be the ones who stole it (M$)
i'll have to rethink
masak it's a linguistic thing. it's charitably called a 'loan' :)
Moukeddar: in all fairness, I wouldn't mind seeing something LINQ-like in Perl 6.
Moukeddar i don't mind either 20:51
benabik In academia, it's called "research".
Moukeddar being able to query collections is awesome
lol
masak rakudo: say ([1, [2, 3]] »+« [10, [20, 30]]).perl 20:52
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«[11, [22, 33]]␤»
masak Moukeddar: neat, huh?
Moukeddar i'm loving it
not the mcdonald thing
tadzik ta-da-ta-ta-ta!
oh
Moukeddar take it back :@ 20:53
masak it's not really "querying a collection", but it's a good start.
Moukeddar masak, it's pretty good
tylercurtis should really get around to continuing translating the code from Notation as a Tool of Thought into Perl 6.
masak rakudo: say ~["HO", "IAH"]».flip 20:54
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«OH HAI␤»
Moukeddar lawl
masak is in demo mode tonight
Moukeddar masak, too bad for the chicks 20:55
the don't touch thing
lol
masak yeah, well.
rakudo: sub postfix:<!> ($n) { [*] 1..$n }; say 5!
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«120␤»
Moukeddar i'd say To hell with python
this is much more exciting
masak presto, user-defined factorial operator.
rakudo: sub postfix:<!> ($n) { [*] 1..$n }; say 5!! 20:56
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«6.68950291344912e+198␤»
masak oops :)
flussence_ rakudo: say ~<HO IAH>».flip
moritz the only reason for it not being predefined is that we need a nice example of user-defined ops :-)
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«OH HAI␤»
masak moritz: I was thinking the same writing it :)
moritz: maybe that's why we don't have a built-in XML grammar either :P
Moukeddar no XML ? 20:57
masak Moukeddar: it's a joke. people like to write XML grammars in Perl 6 just for the fun of it, it seems.
tylercurtis I think people like to write grammars in general in Perl 6.
Moukeddar weird people i say
tylercurtis XML is just a frequently useful thing to parse. 20:58
masak Moukeddar: the history of it all is that regexes generally don't do well with the recursive-nested nature of XML. but Perl 6 grammars do.
Moukeddar amazing
masak tylercurtis: well, I'd much prefer to have something fast/versatile/complete in the XML case, than to have something Perl 6 native.
Moukeddar now i understand why they use it in certain fields
masak \o/
Moukeddar++ # you level up! :) 20:59
Moukeddar the mario style ?
or the RPG style ?
tylercurtis masak: This is true.
tylercurtis tries to remember if he has tried to write an XML parser in Perl 6.
Moukeddar tylercurtis, whenever i see your name the first thing to come to my mind is meat curtains 21:00
lol
tylercurtis doesn't understand.
Moukeddar oh really ? 21:01
flussence_ (I tried writing a CSS grammar using the CSS3 spec as a reference. Still recovering my sanity from that one...)
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Moukeddar i need more TEA 21:02
masak` flussence_: I still want to do that. 21:03
flussence_: but I need to finish my DOM library first for it to be useful.
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Moukeddar i'm working on a Stick-figure Game 21:04
FPS style
with realistic movements and effects
:)
tadzik masak has a tail!
Moukeddar that's would explain the Demo mode 21:05
masak` Moukeddar: I have a role playing game you might like :)
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Moukeddar i don't like roleplay 21:06
masak` strangelyconsistent.org/blog/perl-6-is-my-mmorpg
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tylercurtis rakudo: say "really?" if masak.^attributes.grep({ .name eq "tail" }) 21:06
Moukeddar however i think mixing stick-figure and FPS in 3D would be awesome
p6eval rakudo 4bf132: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &masak␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/nustOhdwFZ␤»
TimToady is just a wag
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masak Moukeddar: reminds me of this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExqFnD_xaH4 21:07
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sbp masak: the link to upload.0x1011.org/files/LearningCurve.jpg is broken 21:08
.head
phenny Can't connect to upload.0x1011.org/files/LearningCurve.jpg
Moukeddar yes
but 3D
and Weapons
:)
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flussence_ oh wow, I remember that xiaoxiao site 21:10
masak Moukeddar: there's weapons in that one. and some 3D right at the end.
Moukeddar not 3D
flussence_ and one of them *was* a 3D FPS, on rails but still
Moukeddar more like 360 cam stop motion
masak fair enough :)
Moukeddar anyway i'm building it from the scratch 21:11
no unity or engine crap
XNA and C# only :)
masak best of luck.
Moukeddar thank you good Sir 21:13
moritz masak: everbody has a "reinvent everything" wish at some point. We should understand that :-)
Moukeddar i just feel like engines take the whole fun of making a game
it's an end-of-study project too ;) 21:14
i don't want to hear "poor noob , he used the unity engine " crap
masak moritz: oh, I was sincere. I like it when people haven't become bitter by years of code reviews and failing projects... :) 21:15
moritz you shouldn't base your decisions on what others might think about yout
masak moritz: I still get the "reinvent everything" meme myself at times. 21:16
Moukeddar i'm not basing on them
i want to blow their minds
moritz currently reinvents isfdb.org
Moukeddar and also enjoy my time making this project
tylercurtis Moukeddar: ooc, have you done much with 3D graphics previously? 21:17
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masak 'night, #perl6. 21:17
Moukeddar yes
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tylercurtis Moukeddar: good luck, then. :) 21:19
Moukeddar thank you meat curtains :)
i'll need that luck after my good friend refused to model the stick men for me 21:20
tylercurtis isn't actually sure what a stick man should look like in 3D.
Should the head be a sphere?
Moukeddar yes 21:21
and the torso/hands/legs smoothed legs
i'm learning some 3D right now
the modeling :)
i mean smoothed boxes 21:22
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Moukeddar we just lost Holy Cow 21:26
ok guys 21:35
thank you for all the info
and talk to you soon
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