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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
sorear random note: 00:11
the draft proposal of UTS18 for Unicode 6.1.0 completely removes the requirement to use "full" case folding in regexes 00:12
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slavik1 uts18? 01:27
geekosaur unicode.org/reports/tr18/ 01:28
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sorear wonders what "case conversion" means for a regex engine 02:13
_not_ "case folding"
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Tene sorear: "replace this with the same thing in lowercase"? 02:15
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sorear Tene: ...oh. I'm suprised that that is considered part of the perview of a regex engine 02:21
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geekosaur \L, \U 02:24
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sorear aren't those qq()'s domain? 02:30
geekosaur they're also supported by p5's regex engine. I admit I don't recall if p6 specced them 02:31
Radvendii b: say <2/6>.perl 02:33
p6eval b 1b7dd1: OUTPUT«"2/6"␤»
Radvendii according to perlcabal.org the output should be 1/3 has this not been implimented by rakudo yet?
perl6:say <2/6>.perl
perl6: say <2/6>.perl 02:34
p6eval pugs b927740, rakudo 64fd76, niecza v12-6-gb5cc22a: OUTPUT«"2/6"␤»
sorear Radvendii: this is an area where @Larry is not on the same page 02:38
Radvendii @larry? 02:39
is that the guy who makes rakudo? 02:40
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Radvendii and why does he disagree? 02:44
is there a way to get the equivalent function? 02:46
sorear: ?
awwaiid @larry is the collective of language designers, who often modify their previous views and don't always write the new version down right away 02:47
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awwaiid or something like that. I just lurk. 02:47
geekosaur in other words, whether it should reduce to lowest terms or not has not yet been decided 02:48
Radvendii ah
okay
awwaiid nicely put
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Radvendii is there any function for reducing it now? (besides prime factoring and dividing out) 02:49
geekosaur is curious
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awwaiid not that I know of 02:51
sorear uhm, it's not an issue of "lowest terms"
every fractional number is automatically lowest terms
but
perl6: say <2/6>.WHAT
p6eval pugs b927740: OUTPUT«Str␤»
..rakudo 64fd76, niecza v12-6-gb5cc22a: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
awwaiid perl6: say (2/6).perl
p6eval pugs b927740, rakudo 64fd76, niecza v12-6-gb5cc22a: OUTPUT«1/3␤» 02:52
sorear _it is not a number at all_
Radvendii bam
say <2/6>.perl
# 1/3
sorear Radvendii: there's no consensus on that
geekosaur thnk you, I was wondering what the angle brackets were about
Radvendii says perlcabal.com. apparently they were wrong
awwaiid I'm not sure if that is a language feature or a implementation
Radvendii b: (2/6).WHAT 02:53
p6eval b 1b7dd1: ( no output )
Radvendii b: say (2/6).WHAT
p6eval b 1b7dd1: OUTPUT«Rat()␤»
Radvendii ah
i see
sorear Radvendii: perlcabal.com is run by...
Radvendii: us right here
Radvendii haha
so it's not updated yet
should i report that it's not what actually happens in some way? 02:54
sorear Radvendii: it cannot be updated until there is something to update it to
Radvendii: the specs are not documentation
Radvendii: they are a description of our _goals_
Radvendii ah
sorear sometimes our goals change
Radvendii okay, so not always reliable. good to know
sorear sometimes we decide that our goals need to change, but don't change them right away 02:55
this is the latter case
there are a lot of subtle issues with <2/6> working as original envisioned
it's not clear if the issues can be resolved, or if we need a different approach
Radvendii got it 02:56
thanks 02:57
sorear Radvendii: the True Perl6 exists in the collective minds of this channel. Sxx is a bad prose reflection, the implementations are code reflections
a lot of things are only in Sxx because they are "easier said than done"
s/code/bad code/
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Radvendii how can i get involved in the design of the language? 02:58
(im probably not a good enough coder to do any of the crazy stuff)
or is it mostly a closed thing... 03:01
colomon Radvendii: talking right here does wonders 03:08
sorear hang out here. get involved in discussions. Write Perl 6 programs and don't be shy to point out the rough edges in the language
get to know well the current language and its immutable philosophical bases 03:09
colomon and you probably *are* a good enough coder to do some very useful stuff -- that's partially the theme of my next Advent post. (well, not you in particular, though you are mentioned as setting things in motion.) 03:10
sorear but the language design is 90% done; even I came in too late to have much effect on the language per se
colomon sorear: we've both had some effect on the details of the language, though.
changes do still happen, if you can convince TimToady something is wrong. :) 03:11
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Radvendii so we actually are close to a real release to the public? (i was under the impression this was a long way off, although i dont know why. rakudo has worked for me for everything i want to do...) 03:16
colomon Probably the biggest obstacle right now is performance. 03:17
sorear Radvendii: Rakudo and Niecza both make releases to the public monthl
Radvendii: the public still haven't caught on, because the system is slow and doesn't have a killer app 03:18
Radvendii haha
fair enough.
colomon but they are definitely usable -- I've got apps written in both. :)_ 03:19
Radvendii nice.
sorear right now there's not much point in using Perl 6 for a member of the general public
Radvendii oh, speaking of which, i can't seem to get panda operational
colomon Radvendii: is it a bootstrapping issue? the bootstrap stuff is apparently broken atm 03:20
Radvendii yeah, but even when i use the rakudo-star versoin
sorear it's a very nice language, much cleaner than Perl 5, but it doesn't have any advantages compelling enough to overcome the speed and library issues
Radvendii i get a error:imcc:loadlib directive could not find library `nqp_group' error
sorear: i see. 03:21
colomon Radvendii: oh, really? what platform?
Radvendii mac os x
colomon version?
Radvendii 10.6
snow lepoard.
leopard*
colomon yeah, that's what I'm running too
sorear What command do you get the failure during? 03:22
Radvendii in file '~/.perl6/lib/Shell/Command.pir' line 26
with any command
also, why isn't perl6 installed into /usr/bin/? even when i move the entire install/ folder into the respective folders in /usr/ it requires the rakudo-star folder to remain where it was... 03:23
sorear because third-party software should never go into /usr/bin on Unix operating systems 03:24
Radvendii what about /usr/local/bin or whatever
sorear /usr/bin is reserved for OS-provided software; stuff you install manually goes into /usr/local/bin
Radvendii oh
sorear perl6 is installed into whereever you installed Parrot 03:25
Radvendii oops. i probably shouldn't have put perl6 in /usr/bin then :P
oh?
sorear if you use --gen-parrot, you have to also use --gen-parrot-prefix
Radvendii good to know...
OH!
that's what it is!
thanks.
sorear it's not possible to have Rakudo in /usr/local/bin unless you also have Parrot there
Radvendii now back to the panda failiure?
sorear true story: I've never used panda 03:26
presumably you didn't run lib/Shell/Command.pir manually
Radvendii no
colomon which rakudo was the failure with?
sorear I'm interested in the command _you_ ran to cause that failure
Radvendii when i type panda install SDL6 at the command line it gives that error
or just panda
or panda install
or anything with panda at the beginning
it was with rakudo 2011.07 03:27
colomon is trying to figure out how he can test that version locally.... 03:30
Radvendii sorry for the trouble, it's not really that big of a deal... 03:32
colomon actually, first question probably should be, are you using the latest panda?
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Radvendii i dont know, i just installed rakudo-star and it installed panda for me... 03:33
colomon ah, hmmm. 03:34
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Radvendii like you said, bootstrap.sh doesnt work 03:35
colomon okay, I'm going to try it quick on my linux box just to see what happens. 03:38
Radvendii okay
also, why does perl6 support new characters like »? isn't that hard to type for some people (not that im complaining, just wondering) 03:41
colomon >> works just the same 03:42
Radvendii ah. that would make sense.
i thought perl had gone APL-style :P
although i read about someone making all of the APL functions in perl6 03:43
colomon it can... you can define all the unicode operators you want. ;)
geekosaur the "presentation form" uses Unicode but there are reasonable ASCII alternatives for everything 03:45
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geekosaur and it's not APLish silliness like lamp or quote-quad 03:46
but stuff that makes reasonable and readable sense to mortals
sorear afaik the only non-ASCII characters that are used in core Perl 6 are the French quotes 03:52
Radvendii: every self-respecting language now supports non-ASCII identifiers
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colomon Radvendii: ooooo, ===SORRY!=== 03:55
error:imcc:loadlib directive could not find library `nqp_group'
happens on linux, too.
actually appears quite a few times in the "make install" output. 03:56
with other errors too. :( 03:57
Radvendii yikes
sorear: okay. i assume that doesn't include java :( :P 03:58
colomon not sure if there's any point in trying to debug it; it's an evolutionary dead end. but it certainly sucks that it's happening.
Radvendii mhmm what do you mean evolutionary dead end?
colomon the next rakudo star will be based on a completely different code base 03:59
Radvendii oh. okay. 04:00
i guess i'll wait till then ;)
no biggy
colomon big thing is trying not to make the same mistakes again
Radvendii ah 04:01
that would be good
why is it called panda, by the way?
colomon ask tadzik. :)
I've got to go to bed now. 04:02
Radvendii okay
thanks for the help
colomon afk # sleep, perchance dream
sorear Radvendii: actually I think Java does support non-ASCII identifiers
Radvendii wow. java doing something right. im impressed.
(im a java hater, in case you hadn't noticed ;P)
sorear When Java was released, Unicode was the hip new technology
Java is, unfortunately, still stuck in the time of Unicode 1.0 04:03
Radvendii hahaha.
sorear especially when Unicode was widened from 16 to 21 bits
Radvendii im so happy it's suported though, i tried to write a program using it in perl5 and i remember i had to keep using weird notation to get things to work correctly. 04:04
sorear Java still doesn't handle characters above 64K that well
buubot_backup: eval: use utf8; my $万 = 1e4; say $万
buubot_backup sorear: ERROR: Can't call method "say" without a package or object reference at (eval 20) line 1.
sorear buubot_backup: eval: use utf8; my $万 = 1e4; $万 04:05
buubot_backup sorear: 10000
Radvendii wha?
TimToady perl6: constant 万 = 1e4; say 万
p6eval pugs b927740: OUTPUT«decodeUTF8': bad data: '\19975'␤decodeUTF8': bad data: '\19975'␤*** ␤ Unexpected "="␤ expecting ":" or "("␤ at /tmp/Nd01MS5ugE line 1, column 12␤»
..rakudo 64fd76, niecza v12-6-gb5cc22a: OUTPUT«10000␤»
Radvendii 1) what's buubot_backup?
TimToady p5
sorear buubot_backup: eval: use utf8; $Foo::万 = 1e4; print (keys %Foo::)[0]
buubot_backup sorear: ERROR: syntax error at (eval 20) line 1, near ")["
sorear buubot_backup: eval: use utf8; $Foo::万 = 1e4; print ((keys %Foo::)[0]) 04:06
buubot_backup sorear: ä¸1
sorear buubot_backup: eval: use utf8; $Foo::万 = 1e4; print length((keys %Foo::)[0])
buubot_backup sorear: 31
Radvendii oh? p5 can use unicode? i dont know what my problem was then...
what's le4?
TimToady 1, not l
sorear 1e4 is scientific notation
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TimToady does your font not distinguish 'one' from 'ell'? 04:06
Radvendii oh. those letters need to look more different
yeah 04:07
what's a good font to use? courier clearly isn't
:P
sorear likes Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
Radvendii doesnt have that one
Radvendii has, in terms of fixed-width fonts, andale mono, courier, menlo, and monaco 04:08
sorear wonders if Radvendii can see the character used in the buubot example
Radvendii can indeed
Radvendii decides he likes andale mono 04:09
sorear it's called "buubot_backup" because buu disappeared taking buubot with em
TimToady so now it's back up? :)
Radvendii what's buu?
sorear buu was a #perl bigshot and MAGnet oper in ages past 04:10
Radvendii isn't 1e4 just 1?
sorear no
1e4 is 1 * 10 ** 4
Radvendii oh right
x10^
can one use superscript in a perl program?
sorear no
Radvendii that would be cool. 04:11
sorear Perl accepts a sequence of characters
TimToady well, sure you can, for certain values of superscript
sorear the vast majority of programming languages use plain text
is ColorForth still alive?
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TimToady perl6: sub postfix:<²>($x) { $x * $x }; say 42²; 04:13
p6eval pugs b927740: OUTPUT«decodeUTF8': bad data: '\178'␤decodeUTF8': bad data: '\178'␤1764␤»
..niecza v12-6-gb5cc22a: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ &postfix:<²> is declared but not used at /tmp/VhIbw8jKsk line 1:␤------> sub postfix:<²>⏏($x) { $x * $x }; say 42²;␤␤Unhandled exception: System.Exception: invalid digit in 42²␤ at Niecza.EmitUnit.ExactNum (Int3…
..rakudo 64fd76: OUTPUT«1764␤»
Radvendii so it works in rakudo?
TimToady yes
Radvendii how did you do the superscript in the command line though? 04:14
sorear that's not _real_ superscript
Radvendii what is it?
sorear .u ²
phenny U+00B2 SUPERSCRIPT TWO (²)
TimToady I typed COMPOSE ^ 2
sorear it's a separate character
Radvendii COMPOSE ^ 2
sorear Unicode has a few "superscript" versions of existing characters
Radvendii oh. but it's not a generic thing?
sorear Radvendii: you need to press the Compose key on your keyboard
correct 04:15
Radvendii i dont have a compose key.. :'(
TimToady what OS?
Radvendii mac os x
™
sorear .u SUPERSCRIPT MINUS
phenny U+207B SUPERSCRIPT MINUS (⁻)
sorear TimToady: does that have a compose sequence?
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TimToady ¯ 04:16
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TimToady apparently so 04:16
sorear compose ^ - does nada for me
.u ⁺
phenny U+207A SUPERSCRIPT PLUS SIGN (⁺)
sorear yet I have that
TimToady ⁺
sorear thinks this compose file may be insane 04:17
but I have my macros back so I'm not too annoyed
TimToady most of 'em are
JimmyZ TimToady: how do I know whether it's a trap or not ? re: yesterday's wrap issue
sorear er. macroNs 04:18
completely different
Radvendii is there a keyboard layout for typing perl? 04:19
also: can you redefine the sigils? ($, @, %, &, etc) 04:20
JimmyZ TimToady: there is not DWIM and no any tips
sorear afaik all of the important latin keyboard layouts (qwerty, azerty, dvorak, etc) work fine
TimToady I'd like to have the vim digraphs as compose sequences... 04:21
Radvendii yeah, but to have quick access to the $ key for example
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sorear Radvendii: what keyboard layout do you use? 04:23
Radvendii 2⁽⁴⁺⁵⁾
hee hee
primarily us extended
but that was with the unicode hex font, where i have to type in the entire unicode value to type the character. 04:24
sorear wonders what Radvendii's languages and/or culture of origin are
Radvendii My family is from europe (poland, germany) and a little bit from israel from way back when (most of my grandparents went through israel at some point). im jewish, and i speak english, understand some hebrew, and am working on german and learning spanish at school. im also making a conlang of my own 04:26
oops. i forgot about the /me :P
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sorear hello geekosaur 04:31
TimToady JimmyZ: I don't understand: "no any tips" 04:32
sorear Radvendii: grandparents from isreal, you must be quite young 04:33
Radvendii: you will find there is quite a lot of linguistics interest here
JimmyZ TimToady: I mean, if it doesn't DWIM, it should outputs some message.
TimToady: so I know why it doesn't work
Radvendii i should say palestine (as it was at the time) 04:34
TimToady it's not always possible to detect what the user means
Radvendii but yes, i'm also still in high-school
JimmyZ TimToady: and how do I fix it
Radvendii TimToady: Dwim?
TimToady well it needs to be possible to pass a routine as a parameter without cloning it somehow 04:35
sorear Radvendii: the community is scattered over a large area, I would say mostly central/northern Europe and the US but we've got people everywhere
Radvendii: for some reason quite a few of us know East Asian languages
TimToady Radvendii: DWIM == Do What I Mean
JimmyZ rakudo: sub cached(Routine &r) { my %cache; &r.wrap(-> |$c {say 'process';my $key := $c.gist;%cache.exists($key) ??%cache{$key} !!(%cache{$key} = callsame)});}; cached sub foo($a) {return 2 * $a;}; say foo(1);say foo(2);
p6eval rakudo 64fd76: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '&r'; expected Callable but got Sub instead␤ in sub cached at /tmp/_lS2XLKPEV:1␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/_lS2XLKPEV:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/_lS2XLKPEV:1␤»
JimmyZ rakudo: sub cached(&r) { my %cache; &r.wrap(-> |$c {say 'process';my $key := $c.gist;%cache.exists($key) ??%cache{$key} !!(%cache{$key} = callsame)});}; cached sub foo($a) {return 2 * $a;}; say foo(1);say foo(2);
p6eval rakudo 64fd76: OUTPUT«2␤4␤»
Radvendii yeah, i'm on the #conlang channel too, and they talk about programming :P it's a really diverse community on the IRC. not.
sorear Radvendii: not diverse? 04:36
TimToady niecza: sub cached(&r) { my %cache; &r.wrap(-> |$c {say 'process';my $key := $c.gist;%cache.exists($key) ??%cache{$key} !!(%cache{$key} = callsame)});}; cached sub foo($a) {return 2 * $a;}; say foo(1);say foo(2);
p6eval niecza v12-6-gb5cc22a: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method wrap in class Sub␤ at /tmp/rHmx8_wxkG line 1 (cached @ 2) ␤ at /tmp/rHmx8_wxkG line 1 (mainline @ 1) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 2225 (ANON @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting l…
TimToady pugs: sub cached(&r) { my %cache; &r.wrap(-> |$c {say 'process';my $key := $c.gist;%cache.exists($key) ??%cache{$key} !!(%cache{$key} = callsame)});}; cached sub foo($a) {return 2 * $a;}; say foo(1);say foo(2);
p6eval pugs b927740: OUTPUT«*** ␤ Unexpected "foo"␤ expecting "=", subroutine parameters, trait or block␤ at /tmp/f3TH_6nnca line 1, column 158␤»
Radvendii if the #perl6 channel is into linguistics and the #conlang channel talks about programming? 04:37
TimToady note that Routine &r is just wrong
Radvendii everyone's into the same stuff. :P not a bad thing, since i'm into it also, just interesting.
sorear I would not say overlap is the same as lack of diversity
TimToady that means a routine that *returns* a Routine
JimmyZ oh ... 04:38
sorear we like linguistics but very few of us are that involved with conlangs
TimToady the & already implies Callable
Radvendii mhmm.
JimmyZ I thought it's &r type
sorear you're not our only high school student 04:39
Radvendii im not _so_ surprised
sorear TimToady has designs to get people really young, but so far it hasn't quite worked out
Radvendii convert them to perl before their minds fully form. buahahah. :P 04:40
TimToady well, someone needs to subvert all the grade-school teachers first :)
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JimmyZ rakudo: sub cached($r is rw) { my %cache; $r.wrap(-> |$c {say 'process';my $key := $c.gist;%cache.exists($key) ??%cache{$key} !!(%cache{$key} = callsame)});}; cached sub foo($a) {return 2 * $a;}; say foo(1);say foo(2); 04:41
p6eval rakudo 64fd76: OUTPUT«2␤4␤»
sorear Camelia is our secret weapon
Radvendii yeah, perl6 is gonna be the new python
why?
JimmyZ butterfly effect? 04:42
Radvendii what's camelia? a person?
sorear raw.github.com/perl6/mu/master/misc/camelia.txt 04:43
Radvendii: camelia is the logo 04:44
Radvendii ah 04:45
nice
»ö« :D 04:50
that's going to be my new signature for emails
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tadzik good morning 06:56
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moritz \o 07:32
jnthn o- 07:41
...oh...surprise keyboard layout causes funny greeting
moritz: what was the % and :s issue you mentioned yesterday? got a test/simple example? 07:46
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eiro hello world 09:04
jnthn, you wrote the best doc on perl6 i read: programmer heaven perl6 faq 09:05
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eiro is it still up to date? (we plan to translate it in french) 09:06
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jnthn eiro: no, it's very out of date...I should probably update it, though I don't work there anhy more :) 09:23
think it's a wiki based thing though so I should be able to do it.
eiro jnthn, would be nice to have a git based version of it: up to date translation would be easy 09:26
moritz jnthn: there's a test file, let me dig it up for you... 09:30
jnthn eiro: There's the slight unfortunate situation that I did it for PH while as an employee there, so I don't own the copyright on it.
eiro: So it's not really mine to just take and show in a git repo.
*shove 09:31
eiro jnthn, sad! perhaps we can do better one?
;)
jnthn yes, I think so :)
moritz eiro: feel free to contribute to faq.perl6.org
jnthn moritz++ has started a new Perl 6 faq effort. Maybe we should contribute to that ratehr thaqn start another thing.
moritz it's on github, perl6/faq 09:32
jnthn argh, ahte this keyboard
moritz eiro: you should have commit access already; if not, please tell me so
jnthn: t/spec/S05-metasyntax/repeat.t search for 'nom regression' 09:33
jnthn moritz: (test file) ok, thanks. If you have ICU, please can you also build/test my :i patch from last night?
moritz jnthn: sure
jnthn And if it works, bump NQP version in Rakudo
(the patches were in NQP) 09:34
moritz: Oh, that repeat.t fix is probably easy. Can do it this evening. 09:36
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eiro moritz, ok thanks 09:41
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moritz nom: say so 'a b' ~~ /:s\w \w/ 09:47
p6eval nom 64fd76: OUTPUT«Bool::True␤»
moritz nom: say so 'a b' ~~ /\w \w/
p6eval nom 64fd76: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤»
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moritz jnthn: fwiw the :i implementation has a bug that b also had for a while: it doesn't apply :i to variables 09:58
$ ./perl6 -e 'my $x = "A"; say "a" ~~ /:i $x /;' 09:59
#<failed match>
jnthn: but the case with literals seems to work
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jnthn moritz: ah...that may be a slightly trickier fix :) 10:01
But perhaps not so bad. 10:02
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jnthn moritz: Did it get fixed in b? 10:03
b: my $x = "A"; say "a" ~~ /:i $x /
p6eval b 1b7dd1: OUTPUT«␤»
moritz $ ./perl6 -e 'say "aA" ~~ /:i (.)$0/' 10:04
#<failed match>
jnthn: might need a fix in LITERAL
jnthn b: say "aA" ~~ /:i (.)$0/
p6eval b 1b7dd1: OUTPUT«␤»
jnthn heh, all b bugs too
moritz: yes
I suspect it needs to be passed :i
and then made to dtrt 10:05
dalek kudo/nom: d9890fb | moritz++ | t (2 files):
bump to a NQP revision which implements :i

also mark some tests as #icu that now need it		 10:07
jnthn moritz: btw, the take bug is easy enough to fix, but it's masking another bug that is then harder to fix :(
moritz :/ 10:10
jnthn there's a comment in take about it 10:11
you could always try what it suggests and see if the other issue is gone, though
moritz will try later on 10:12
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dalek ast: a054084 | moritz++ | / (4 files):
:i unfudges for rakudo
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dalek kudo/take-recont: 2453985 | moritz++ | src/core/Num.pm:
return integers from rounders
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kudo/take-recont: 8c38b99 | moritz++ | / (2 files):
use nqp::p6recont_ro in &take
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moritz hopes to get around to write an advent post in the next few hours 11:31
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jnthn moritz: Did 8c38b99 regress any spectests? 11:47
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flussence bah, I have to go redo a bunch of data points for my spectest graphs because I set `ulimit -t` too low... 11:48
jnthn moritz: oh, only just noticed you did it in a branch :) 11:58
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flussence (that screwup gave me an interesting take on rakudo's speed though: 10-15% of the spectest files don't finish in under 30 seconds on a desktop CPU yet...) 12:31
moritz jnthn: it causes an infinite loop in t/spec/integration/99problems-01-to-10.rakudo 12:34
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jnthn moritz: ugh. sounds familiar. 13:12
moritz two nested gather/takes 13:13
not sure if that's the real issue though
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jnthn i suspect the comment in take is accurate about what's the real issue, or at least close 13:15
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moritz moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/lexicality-a...bility.pod 13:24
any comments before I post it as today's advent calendar? 13:25
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ixxvil hi 13:29
did you guys get a logo for rakudo?
moritz you mean besides rakudoperl.org/wp/wp-content/upload...o-1001.png ? :-)
ok, posted perl6advent.wordpress.com/2011/12/0...izability/ 13:32
[Coke] hey, did aloha stop karma-replying? bacek++
moritz I'll be gone rather soon... everybody feel free to edit the post to corect errors, typos, grammeros etc. 13:33
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jnthn moritz++ 13:35
dalek : 35a45b6 | moritz++ | misc/perl6advent-2011/schedule:
fill out todays schedule
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[Coke] moritz++ 13:38
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colomon moritz++ 13:57
moritz sometimes thinks his post are too far away from application, and too abstract for many readers 13:58
[Coke] weird. on feather, I have changes in my roast directory that I don't think I made. 13:59
[Coke] glares at moritz.
(many of them are in tests relating to :i)
moritz yes, I made such changes in roast 14:00
but not in [Coke]'s copy of the roast repo :-)
[Coke] very weird.
moritz [Coke]: you mean, uncommitted changes?
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[Coke] perl6: say +Match 14:01
p6eval niecza v12-6-gb5cc22a: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.FormatException: Invalid format.␤ at System.Double.Parse (System.String s, NumberStyles style, IFormatProvider provider) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ␤ at System.Double.Parse (System.String s, IFormatProvider provider) [0x…
..rakudo d9890f: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in numeric context␤0␤»
..pugs b927740: OUTPUT«0␤»
[Coke] moritz: yes, the files are edited. 14:02
moritz [Coke]: maybe a git pull --rebase that resulted in a conflict?
[Coke]: or a git reset maybe?
[Coke] moritz: Perhaps I was coding in my sleep. 14:04
std: say +Match
p6eval std be1f10e: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 119m␤»
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dalek ast: e05e9cc | coke++ | S (2 files):
niecza fudging
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ecza: 6243435 | coke++ | t/spectest.data:
run fudged test.
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ast: fba1e39 | moritz++ | S02-names-vars/perl.t:
(un)fudge perl.t for rakudo
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[Coke] So, I'm on the (non-hague) grants committee. Haven't seen many submissions from p5 folk, and virtually none from p6 folk lately. 14:12
also, masak++ for getting the web.pm stuff as far along as he did.
moritz already has one grant running, and won't consider a second until the first is finished
[Coke] Very reasonable.
dalek kudo/take-recont: a7eed04 | moritz++ | t/spectest.data:
run perl.t
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[Coke] Just mentioning here in case other folks want to apply for a grant.
moritz [Coke]++
moritz -> afk 14:15
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PerlJam [Coke]: perhaps a blog post to re-educate people on what is available, how to submit, what the typical grant looks like, etc. would spur some interest? 14:29
[Coke] "what is available" that information is available only to the treasurer. ;)
and alberto did that some months back to drum up interest again. 14:30
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[Coke] so I mention it here to people who I KNOW can handle applying. ;) 14:30
whoops, meetings.
PerlJam I mean that more in terms of grant parameters ... "we typically give grants between $X and $Y"
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colomon [Coke]: looking at the +Match thing -- should that work? I believe Niecza is complaining that "" (ie empty string) is not a valid number, which seems kind of reasonable for an undefined Match. 14:37
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PerlJam moritz: you're infecting Parrot with adventitis? 14:50
moritz++ 14:51
[Coke] colomon: again, I'm highlighting things that are already in spec tests here. ;) 14:53
I don't know if that's a reasonable thing to ex-spec-t.
colomon yeah, I know, and with any luck your work will help improve the tests. ;)
[Coke] for now I'm doing the least amount of work possible. :)
niecza: say +"" 14:54
p6eval niecza v12-7-g6243435: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.FormatException: Invalid format.␤ at System.Double.Parse (System.String s, NumberStyles style, IFormatProvider provider) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ␤ at System.Double.Parse (System.String s, IFormatProvider provider) [0x…
[Coke] niecza: say +Match
p6eval niecza v12-7-g6243435: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.FormatException: Invalid format.␤ at System.Double.Parse (System.String s, NumberStyles style, IFormatProvider provider) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ␤ at System.Double.Parse (System.String s, IFormatProvider provider) [0x…
[Coke] so, yah, that seems like the same error.
colomon yes, I've seen it quite a few times myself. :) 14:55
perl6: say +Failure 14:56
p6eval rakudo d9890f: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in numeric context␤0␤»
..niecza v12-7-g6243435: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared name:␤ 'Failure' used at line 1␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 880 (die @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1139 (P6.comp_unit @ 32) ␤ at /home/…
..pugs b927740: OUTPUT«*** No such subroutine: "&Failure"␤ at /tmp/Z4sn5VQ2Qc line 1, column 5 - line 2, column 1␤»
colomon ah, not such a good test
[Coke] it does seem reasonable to expect rakudo's error, though, rather than an underlying VM issue.
s/issue/exception/ 14:57
(just like a NullPMCAccess is never right.)
colomon rakudo's is just a warning 15:01
but yeah, for sure the Niecza error message is inelegant! 15:02
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Woodi Parrot++ is quite fast... 10k Redis pings in 1.03s where PP Perl5 Redis module do 1.38s. and 10k pipelined pings into one send/receive operation is 0.07s where the best Perl5 XS module do 0.06s. all numbers on *that* box but % difference should be same on others 15:23
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Woodi however it probably is little apple to pear comparison becouse modules do function calls... 15:27
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tadzik wow anyway 15:29
[Coke] I imagine you'll see a lot more slowdowns when starting to invoke functions, but it's nice that the basics are working.
ixxvil moritz: checking
tadzik so Parrot's faster than Perl 5 in _something_ :)
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ixxvil moritz: thats the old logo 15:30
moritz: i thought you guys wanted sometihng new
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[Coke] has his mono-space inspired 可口可乐 on his whiteboard critiqued. 15:30
ixxvil: I hadn't seen any chat about a new logo on the channel; where are you seeing this? 15:31
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ixxvil [Coke]: this was like last yr 15:31
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sorear good * #perl6 16:05
colomon \o 16:06
TimToady greetings, earthlings 16:08
tadzik hello
jnthn phew, day's teaching done :)
jnthn -> hotel etc
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45PAAC234 Is there a way to make those "Use of uninitialized value" messages tell you where it happened? 16:38
lumi___ Sorry, that was me. There's a lot of lumis around I guess 16:39
tadzik lumi___: not that I know of
I'd like that fixed though :)
lumi___ I tried running Panda, it prints out a couple of those in various places... 16:40
tadzik yeah, I know
if you can find those, I'd be happy to accept a pull request :)
jnthn back 16:41
PerlJam making those messages print the line, column and variable (if applicable) that the uninitialized value came from would be awesome. 16:42
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dalek kudo/nom: a2f3f46 | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
S13-overloading/metaoperators.t passes entirely, so turn it on.
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Woodi I removed messages "Use of uninitialized value in string context" by change "is $re, Any, '8 ok';" to "ok(!$re.defined, '8 ok');" becouse I need "return Any;" :) 17:10
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fsergot hi 0/ 17:24
jnthn o/ 17:25
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japhb jnthn, I'd like to start tackling 'Failure outside of Any'. Step one was easy: making Failure inherit from Mu. You had said the next task was to make Failure have the same kind of dispatch magic as Junction. Can that be done entirely in Perl 6, or do I need to start looking in the C code? 17:34
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jnthn japhb: Dispatch stuff at least partly needs some C hacking 17:55
japhb Dang 17:56
jnthn You're not a C-er? :)
japhb: See bind.c and multidispatch.c. Just search for "junction"
japhb Not that I can't do C, but that there's a whole other world of Rakudo/Parrot/NQP stuff I need to learn to not just make a mess of things.
Just as I was beginning to get a feel for the Setting ... ;-)
jnthn japhb: Well, I think what you'd need to do in C would be (a) small and (b) quite contained. 17:57
japhb Well, won't hurt to have a look and see if I can cult my way to success.
That's good to hear
jnthn japhb: I've tried to comment it decently to explain what's going on.
japhb jnthn++ for that! 17:58
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japhb jnthn, OOC, in bind.c near the top, why do ACCEPTS and HOW not have the _str suffix of all the other static string names? 18:01
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jnthn japhb_: Well, HOW isn't even used any more... 18:07
japhb_: No good reason though.
Just a consistency fail.
japhb_ fair enough
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japhb Rakudo needs an illguts doc. ;-) 18:21
jnthn "illguts...really sick code" 18:24
japhb search.cpan.org/~gaas/illguts-0.09/ 18:25
woah, old link 18:26
search.cpan.org/~rurban/illguts-0.38/
That's more like it. 18:27
jnthn oh, *ill*ustrated 18:28
Not "unwell" :)
japhb Right. :-)
A lot of stuff I vaguely understood about perl5 from reading code got a LOT clearer when I read an early edition of that doc. 18:29
benabik jnthn: Having sat through a talk about making natives more native in P5 guts, I think it qualifies as both. 18:30
jnthn Sounds like a good idea. I did some diagrams in jnthn.net/papers/2011-tcpw-optimization.pdf and also (older) jnthn.net/papers/2010-osdc.fr-rakudo.pdf 18:31
the latter has some 6model ones
which are still largely accurate, it seems :)
hunger strikes! I'm off to find dinner 18:32
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jnthn bbl 18:32
japhb joy
*enjoy
[Coke] just finished a late lunch. stupid time zones. 18:56
japhb_ Y'all are making me hungry. 18:57
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[Coke] anyone have any comments on news.perlfoundation.org/2011/12/tes...-repo.html ? 18:59
PerlJam [Coke]: schwern++ ? 19:17
[Coke] PerlJam: heh. good enough. 19:19
PerlJam [Coke]: ooc, what was the proposed award amount? 19:23
(why does the grant report not link to the original proposal?) 19:25
[Coke] PerlJam: it's so old, it's probably not on the site. 19:26
we just closed down the last remaining stalled grants this month.
PerlJam just found it. 19:29
[Coke] ah, then alberto is just muito preguiçoso
PerlJam The funniest part is (now) this: Duration: about five months 19:31
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.oO(Note to self: take time estimates from Schwern with a huge grain of salt ;)
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japhb
.oO( The waterbed theory of grant completion )
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PerlJam [Coke]: can the grants committee award more than was requested? 19:37
[Coke] I don't think that's possible, no. 19:38
We could suggest someone resubmit their grant before it's approved, I suppose. 19:39
(but in general, I'd expect that to go the OTHER way.)
PerlJam indeed. I was just curious.
[Coke] rules for GC operations are on the tpf site, somewhere. 19:40
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PerlJam wow, the grant for Web.pm is still open. (also from 2008) 19:43
[Coke] not for long.
colomon getting closed, or getting finished? 19:45
jnthn on nom :) 19:49
And dang, my patch for :s and % bug didn't work :( 19:50
Well, it did and it didn't :)
[Coke] colomon: closed. 19:52
expect a writeup soon (I thought one was out there already)
japhb jnthn, is the order of elements in the STable structure meant to be cache-optimal? 20:10
japhb has decided to just jump in and try to understand the binder in general ...
jnthn japhb: I can't say I've profiled it, but I did try to group things that are likely to be accessed temporally close together and aligned such that they should land on the same cache line. 20:11
japhb jnthn, gotcha, that's what it kinda looked like 20:13
jnthn japhb: the binder in a nutshell: one routine is a loop over the parameters, and another is called per parameter.
japhb: The rest are mostly "utility" stuff
japhb jnthn, also, it looks to my eyes like the complex if condition at bind.c:311-314 could be simplified if the BIND_VAL_* constants followed a bit shift progression like SIG_ELEM_* does, so it falls to just a shift/mask/compare. Is this a hot path? 20:14
Yeah, I've read some of the utilities, I'm working my way through Rakudo_binding_bind_one_param at the moment. 20:15
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jnthn japhb: the BIND_VAL values are currently set to align with some constants in Parrot, which is mostly why they're the way they are. 20:18
The binder is decidedly a hot path.
japhb Ah, I get it.
jnthn It can be tweaked, but it also takes a lot of decisions dynamically that it could take once statically. 20:19
I expect it to become more of a "signature compiler" than a "signature interpreter".
japhb wonders then if a quick static array lookup to convert BIND_VAL_* to SIG_ELEM_NATIVE_* would work for that if condition.
Ah, interesting. 20:20
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jnthn The binder's aggregate time in a profile does stand out. However, once you factor out the time it spends sticking stuff in lexpads, creating scalar containers, creating any Capture of Array objects for slurpies, etc, it isn't such a pig. 20:22
so/of/or
japhb nodnod 20:23
jnthn My notebook has some sketches on how to optimize away the need for some of those scalar containers, and we can probably figure out how to store in the lexpad by index, not by name. 20:24
Just didn't get to those yet :) 20:25
japhb Well, can't do *everything* at once, I guess. Only 20 or 30 things. :-) 20:29
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Woodi can exceptions bring some computations savings vs code like "$r = $socket.get() or return False;" ? Assuming a lot of line parsing in loops 20:30
japhb What is 'whence' again (in the context of containers)? 20:34
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jnthn japhb: It's to do with auto-viv. 20:44
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jnthn (something I need to figure out Real Soon if Pm doesn't get tuits to hack on the remaining bits of...) 20:47
japhb Ah, OK
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PerlJam japhb: my understanding (albeit poor) is that whence is a closure-ish thing that makes other things. 20:50
japhb PerlJam, hmmm
japhb files that info 20:51
jnthn yes, I believe $!whence holds a closure
See in Hash.pm for example.
PerlJam japhb: so, when you need to autovivify a hash element, you call the hash's whence to closure to get what an "empty" hash element should be
er, s/to closure/closure/ 20:52
japhb Ah, so allows the REPR to handle it's own autoviv magic. 20:54
s/autoviv/vivification/ 20:55
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jnthn container, not repr 20:57
REPRs are very low level things
In Perl 6 the b
vast majority of things are P6opaque.
A container is just a normal object that happens to also have a container spec entry in is STable. 20:58
*its
japhb Wait, I thought the container had the container descriptor directly in the container object 20:59
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japhb Or is a container descriptor different from a container spec? 20:59
jnthn different. :)
container desciptor is something Perl 6 specific.
japhb rolls his eyes overdramatically
jnthn the container spec thing is much more low level
japhb OK
jnthn You almost never thing about the cs.
*think
japhb Ah, OK, a ContainerSpec has an AttributeIdentifier and a fetch_method ... 21:00
And fetch_method doesn't appear anywhere else in the source tree 21:01
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japhb Oh, typo: line 22 of bind.h 21:02
'DEFINEDNES'
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PerlJam is that latin? :) 21:03
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jnthn heh :) 21:15
Missing "s"
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japhb bind.c:431-448 looks wrong in the face of objects that override .defined ... or are :D and :U really only supposed to check for concreteness? 21:26
jnthn yes 21:30
well
they were at the time that this was implemented, then I think the spec changed to :A and :C instead.
japhb Ah, OK, so now the binder needs to support both :A/:C and :D/:U? What's the syntax for 'concrete but undefined'? '$param:C:U' with no spaces? 21:32
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benabik Binding based on a method call seems like it will add much slowness. 21:36
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japhb benabik, unless I'm reading this wrong, there are already ways that can happen 21:37
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moritz \o 21:37
jnthn Yes, we really don't want to go doing the method call there
o/ moritz
Not in the common case.
japhb benabik, for example, instantiating a generic type, coercing an arg, binding a sub-signature, etc. 21:38
jnthn, yes, sure, these are all unusual cases.
benabik That said, looking at S12… It seems like :D and :U are defined based on DEFINITE (concrete), not .defined
jnthn Right, it's the common cases that need to be cheap
benabik: Oh, then it's already correct. 21:39
iiuc .DEFINITE is just the concreteness check we're already doing.
benabik jnthn: That's what I'm seeing.
japhb benabik, link?
(To the lines in question, I mean)
benabik japhb: perlcabal.org/syn/S12.html#Abstract...rete_types 21:40
jnthn I think there was once some speculation that :D and :U may also do something interesting with regard to Failure, but I suspect now we're moving Failure outside of Any then that is redundant.
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benabik I guess :U and :D used DEFINITE and // and the like use .defined? 21:41
jnthn oh, I musta been wildly wrong at :A and :C then :)
benabik: believe so, yes
japhb jnthn, well for example in the first table in the section benabik listed, :U is listed as "Allow only undefined (abstract or failure) ..."
jnthn oh, no 21:42
benabik japhb: But the table below says Int:U is Int:_ where not(DEFINITE($_))
jnthn yeah
just saw that
japhb: I'm not sure that makes sense these days
japhb Right ... I was about to say, the spec seems confused.
jnthn It predates the Failure changes
I got the impression form TimToady++'s commit on moving Failure out that it was the first of several. 21:43
japhb I guess the Failure change kills :T as well ...?
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japhb or maybe :T is still useful for Mu? 21:43
PerlJam :T ?
jnthn mebbe :)
japhb PerlJam, ":U where none(Failure)" 21:44
PerlJam ah
japhb FWIW, It feels to me like :_/:D/:U/:T are oblique to the independent axes. 21:47
(At least in their current definition)
benabik Huh?
PerlJam japhb: I've never quite known what to think of them, so I'm letting it stew for a while 21:48
jnthn OK, I'm too tired to do anything useful, so getting an early night.
o/
benabik o/ jnthn
japhb benabik: By which I mean, "definedness" and "type-constraintedness" seem like the wrong axes. It feels cleaner to me to use "concreteness" and "failness"
Good night, jnthn
tadzik o/ 21:49
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japhb phenny, ask TimToady Would you mind taking a look at perlcabal.org/syn/S12.html#Abstract...rete_types in the context of the discussion starting at irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2011-12-08#i_4808300 and clarifying your current intent? 21:57
phenny japhb: I'll pass that on when TimToady is around.
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Moukeddar good evening folks 22:03
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colomon o/ 22:04
Moukeddar how are you doing?
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colomon bit tired at the moment. 22:06
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Moukeddar ah, you need some rest 22:08
colomon got band rehearsal tonight, then a long weekend with my wife away (snow permitting), which probably means days of hanging out with my three-year-old and evenings with bad movies and perl hacking. :) 22:09
Moukeddar sounds cool and lovely
colomon you? 22:11
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Moukeddar preparing for the exams, the same boring stuff 22:13
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Moukeddar where is masak ? 22:21
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PerlJam Moukeddar: vacation 22:22
Moukeddar ah, good for him, he deserves it 22:23
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Radvendii is it just me, or does the interactive shell version of perl6 not accept unicode characters? 23:07
tadzik works for me
you probably need some external libs for that, not sure 23:08
Radvendii oh hey! it's the famous tadzik of panda!
(just because i've had some issues installing it and everyone was like "oh, talk to tadzik when he gets on") 23:09
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tadzik I fell unprepared for the fame 23:09
Radvendii haha
tadzik :)
so, what's up?
Radvendii well, the bootstrap.sh doesn't work, as im sure you know because it seems to be common knowledge. but the other issue arises when using the panda installed via rakudo star. 23:10
tadzik hmm
Radvendii i get the error:
===SORRY!===
error:imcc:loadlib directive could not find library `nqp_group' in file '~/.perl6/lib/Shell/Command.pir' line 26
tadzik bootstrap.sh fails due to Test::Mock test failures, which are beyond my comprehension :) 23:11
Radvendii fair enough.
i was told that this error would most likely be resolved in the next rakudo-star update, so i
i'll await that ;)
tadzik I suppose so
to be honest, I didn't use Star for a few months now
the error looks odd-ish however 23:12
Radvendii mhmm...
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Radvendii anyways, i had another question pertaining to unicode 23:13
if i define the • infix opperator to be the exact same as *, can i then redefine * to be exactly the same as **? 23:14
without loosing • as times?
tadzik I don't know, honestly, and I don't want to guess :0 23:16
:)
Radvendii okay. fair enough
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tadzik oh, and panda is named after my dog :) 23:25
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djanatyn okay, time for an epic perl hacking session 23:26
perl5, though :(
but after that, perl6 :D
tadzik :)
djanatyn i've got mountain dew, pizza, emacs, and Dancer 23:27
Radvendii tadzik: oh. nice. 23:28
djanatyn a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-...2448_n.jpg -- making good progress so far 23:33
it's completely perl, which is nice.
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tadzik what a mess in tabs :) 23:34
djanatyn tadzik: heh. I take an ADHD approach to web-browsing
tadzik oh, right, I'm the weird one who closes his web browser :) 23:38
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