»ö« Welcome to Perl 6! | perl6.org/ | evalbot usage: 'perl6: say 3;' or rakudo:, niecza:, std:, or /msg p6eval perl6: ... | irclog: irc.perl6.org/ | UTF-8 is our friend!
Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
00:02 flussence joined 00:04 envi_ joined
colomon just added ties to the abc2ly.pl script in the ABC module. Too easy! 00:05
00:08 lestrrat joined 00:21 bbkr joined 00:25 plobsing joined 00:26 espadrine joined
colomon r: my $a = "hello "; $a.subst(/\s+$/, ")$0"); say $a; 00:26
p6eval rakudo c4f9b1: OUTPUT«hello ␤»
colomon r: my $a = "hello "; $a.subst(/\s+$/, "boo"); say $a;
p6eval rakudo c4f9b1: OUTPUT«hello ␤»
colomon n: my $a = "hello "; $a.subst(/\s+$/, "boo"); say $a; 00:27
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«hello ␤»
colomon wonders what stupid mistake he is now making
n: my $a = "hello "; $a.subst(/\s+/, "boo"); say $a;
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«hello ␤»
colomon doh!
n: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/\s+/, "boo");
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«helloboo␤»
colomon n: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/\s+$/, "boo"); 00:28
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«helloboo␤»
colomon n: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/\s+$/, "boo$_");
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1223 (warn @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 235 (Mu.Str @ 10) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.settin…
colomon n: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/\s+$/, "boo$/");
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1223 (warn @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 235 (Mu.Str @ 10) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.settin…
colomon n: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/(\s+)$/, "boo$[0]");
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Non-variable $ must be backslashed at /tmp/p1dePGaETt line 1:␤------> = "hello "; say $a.subst(/(\s+)$/, "boo⏏$[0]");␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
colomon n: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/(\s+)$/, "boo$0");
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1223 (warn @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 235 (Mu.Str @ 10) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.settin…
00:29 wolfman2000 joined
TimToady "boo$0" is evaluated before the .subst is called 00:29
colomon TimToady++ 00:31
n: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/(\s+)$/, { "boo$0" });
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«helloboo ␤»
colomon r: my $a = "hello "; say $a.subst(/(\s+)$/, { "boo$0" });
p6eval rakudo c4f9b1: OUTPUT«helloboo␤»
colomon TimToady: and now slurs work too in the abc2ly, thanks to you. 00:34
00:35 zhutingting joined
TimToady just so they're PC slurs 00:39
00:39 raiph joined
colomon Mac, actually. ;) 00:41
lichtkind good night 00:50
separated glossary and main index + some other improvements that took unearthly efforts
[Coke] is reminded by the impending parrot release that he's up for rakudo this week. 01:00
01:02 drbean joined
[Coke] rakudo release coming up: please update the ChangeLog/ROADMAP, etc. 01:05
I am tempted to use my home PM for the name this month.
01:05 scott____ joined
[Coke] but will probably use Brazos Valley 01:06
01:10 envi_ left 01:24 raiph left
dalek kudo/nom: 424936c | coke++ | docs/announce/2012.04:
Add preliminary release announcement
 01:28
01:46 PZt joined 01:48 wolfman2000 left 01:55 espadrine left, whiteknight left 01:58 pjcj joined, buubot_backup joined 02:01 orafu joined 02:12 uvtc joined 02:14 godfrey999 joined 02:22 bbkr left 02:23 bbkr joined
uvtc Anyone know if the [cheatsheet](raw.github.com/perl6/mu/master/doc...sheet.txt) is currently up-to-date? 02:24
sorear I think it is 02:25
uvtc I don't see "gather/take" on it. Excuse my ignorance, but should it be on there? 02:26
sorear you'd have to ask TimToady; I know for a fact it was updated more recently than gather/take was added 02:27
I think last year
(there have no major syntax changes since then)
uvtc Thanks, sorear.
02:29 tokuhirom left 02:55 raiph joined 02:59 orafu left, orafu joined
colomon oh noez, seg fault in the ABC code (under Rakudo) 03:08
intermittent seg faults. sigh. 03:13
03:16 cognominal_ joined 03:32 bbkr_ joined 03:33 bbkr left 03:41 jaldhar joined 03:50 kborer joined 03:59 mucker joined 04:02 raiph left 04:12 mucker left 04:16 Qiang joined 04:17 Qiang left 04:33 envi_ joined 04:49 raiph joined
raiph phenny, tell lichtkind i chatted with uvtc. i agreed to do the lookup-to-index (b2a) etc. links to complete his conversion to Pandoc-Markdown. Then we can use that instead of socialtext or raw html. 04:50
phenny raiph: I'll pass that on when lichtkind is around.
raiph phenny, tell lichtkind if we go this route (please!) we'll want moritz to create a perl6 repo from www.unexpected-vortices.com/temp/ta...ocs.tar.gz (as published at www.unexpected-vortices.com/perl-6/...tion.html) and stick to editing that repo. 04:51
phenny raiph: I'll pass that on when lichtkind is around.
04:51 NamelessTee joined 04:55 raiph left 05:09 birdwindupbird joined, sivoais joined 05:11 odoacre joined, Juerd joined 05:12 hugme joined, ChanServ sets mode: +v hugme, [Coke] joined 05:13 kaleem joined 05:19 mucker joined 05:24 plobsing left 05:28 GlitchMr joined 05:37 FACEFOX joined 05:40 envi_ left 05:42 machine2 joined 05:55 NamelessTee left 06:00 uvtc left 06:08 lestrrat left 06:09 lestrrat joined 06:16 thou joined 06:22 GlitchMr left 06:23 plobsing joined 06:26 thou_ joined, thou left 06:32 thou_ left 06:35 thou joined 06:41 thou left, thou_ joined 06:48 thou_ left, thou joined 06:52 thou left 06:55 thou joined
tadzik 52.56% in jaffa4's test 06:59
I'm curious about the correct answers now
07:01 thou_ joined, thou left
zhutingting perl6: multi sub identify(Int $a) { say "Int $a" } identify(42) 07:02
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«Int 42␤»
..rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/aIhOD4CiY0:1␤»
..niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Strange text after block (missing comma, semicolon, comment marker?) at /tmp/bj9v2RJAx7 line 1:␤------> ti sub identify(Int $a) { say "Int $a" }⏏ identify(42)␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
zhutingting perl6: multi sub identify(Array @a) { say "Array" } identify(1..10) 07:03
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Strange text after block (missing comma, semicolon, comment marker?) at /tmp/MEwOon7HDJ line 1:␤------> i sub identify(Array @a) { say "Array" }⏏ identify(1..10)␤Other potential difficulties:␤ @a is decla…
..rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/8BBsFbQ3Le:1␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Array␤»
sorear zhutingting: Array @a means an array of arrays 07:04
zhutingting: also, you need a semicolon after the closing brace for p6eval 07:05
zhutingting can perl6bot remember my command? 07:07
tadzik nope
zhutingting perl6: my $a = 1
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $a is declared but not used at /tmp/KHSfvy4Xe5 line 1:␤------> my ⏏$a = 1␤␤»
..pugs, rakudo 424936: ( no output )
zhutingting perl6: $a.say
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Variable $a is not declared␤at /tmp/h9f2cYNwhx:1␤»
..niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Variable $a is not predeclared at /tmp/YVyELTAXAM line 1:␤------> <BOL>⏏$a.say␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1366 (die @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niec…
..pugs: OUTPUT«*** ␤ Unexpected "."␤ expecting "::"␤ Variable "$a" requires predeclaration or explicit package name␤ at /tmp/aYRmYduETq line 1, column 3␤»
07:07 brrt joined
zhutingting one question about sort 07:10
perl6 give Schwartzian Transform for free
tadzik sort of 07:11
zhutingting so it generates a array ref or a hash %cache?
moritz that's a statement, not a question
frettled Well, not entirely.
tadzik ( H A H A H A )
moritz zhutingting: actually rakudo doesn't really implement the Schwartzian Transform, but something equivalent which is faster 07:12
zhutingting: it sorts the indexes of the original array
zhutingting oh perl6 secret sort
moritz zhutingting: so it doesn't have to allocate a data structure for every single array element
07:14 xinming joined
moritz see src/core/List.pm lines 243-264 07:14
zhutingting thx moritz ;-) 07:15
07:18 machine2 left, fglock joined 07:25 machine2 joined 07:26 thou_ left, thou joined 07:33 wtw joined 07:35 tarch joined 07:37 kresike joined 07:42 FACEFOX left, FACEFOX joined
moritz meh, chromatic blogs about bugs instead of submitting them 07:49
(doing both would be fine too :-0 07:51
s/0/)/
07:51 thou left
jnthn mornin' 07:56
moritz \o jnthn 07:57
jnthn Submitting them would be much wiser. I read the bug tracker. 07:58
moritz in this case it's about a p5 module 07:59
jnthn oh 08:05
08:11 daxim joined
masak ante-noon, #p6. 08:23
arnsholt Moin, moin
08:23 plobsing left
arnsholt jnthn: Thanks for the enclueing yesterday 08:23
Setting a CArray child now works, but I've somehow triggered a NULL pointer in P6int.c when reading 08:24
jnthn That's...a curious place to trigger a NULL pointer... 08:26
moritz arnsholt: fwiw if your changes to nqp don't cause any regressions in existing code, it would be nice to merge them soonish, because the Rakudo (and thus nqp) release is on Thursday
arnsholt That's what I thought as well
moritz great 08:27
08:27 dakkar joined
arnsholt That last was actually intended for jnthn, but yeah. That too 08:27
moritz :-)
jnthn arnsholt: Stack trace would help
arnsholt jnthn: 'sec 08:28
jnthn I'm actually at $on-site-client today so can only give this so much attention at the moment.
arnsholt Sure. I'm probably supposed to do worky stuff as well
jnthn ;) 08:29
arnsholt gist.github.com/2404545 08:30
So one thing I mulled over on the subway this morning is the lack of member typing on the CArray child of the CStruct 08:31
Had to kill that to stop Rakudo from complaining about type mismatches when binding 08:32
moritz arnsholt: backtrace missing from the gist 08:33
(type bt\n in the debugger, but I guess you know that :-)
arnsholt Derp 08:34
There. Copypasta braino
08:41 bacek joined
zhutingting perl6: sub star($a, *@a) { @a.say }; star(1, 2, 3); 08:49
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«2 3␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«23␤»
..niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $a is declared but not used at /tmp/PZPMTpZRcK line 1:␤------> sub star(⏏$a, *@a) { @a.say }; star(1, 2, 3);␤␤2 3␤»
zhutingting perl6: sub star($a, *@a) { @a.say }; star(1..10); 08:50
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $a is declared but not used at /tmp/TOF7Qdpz_U line 1:␤------> sub star(⏏$a, *@a) { @a.say }; star(1..10);␤␤␤»
..pugs, rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«␤»
08:50 lestrrat left
zhutingting how to sent an array as a list not ref in parameter transport? 08:50
08:51 mdupont joined
moritz perl6: sub star($a, *@a) { @a.say }; star | 1..10 08:51
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&prefix:<|>' called (line 1)␤»
..niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $a is declared but not used at /tmp/XEx40Z2rYe line 1:␤------> sub star(⏏$a, *@a) { @a.say }; star | 1..10␤␤Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method Capture in class Int␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.se…
..pugs: OUTPUT«␤»
moritz perl6: sub star($a, *@a) { @a.say }; star |(1..10)
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«Method 'FLATTENABLE_LIST' not found for invocant of class 'Range'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/c0_DgA4dH4:1␤␤»
..niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $a is declared but not used at /tmp/2Mj_tloExN line 1:␤------> sub star(⏏$a, *@a) { @a.say }; star |(1..10)␤␤Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method Capture in class Range␤ at /tmp/2Mj_tloExN line 1 (main…
..pugs: OUTPUT«␤»
08:52 lestrrat joined
zhutingting perl6: sub star($a, *@a) { @a.say }; star(|1..10); 08:52
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&prefix:<|>' called (line 1)␤»
..niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $a is declared but not used at /tmp/S02TcsIyiK line 1:␤------> sub star(⏏$a, *@a) { @a.say }; star(|1..10);␤␤Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method Capture in class Int␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.s…
..pugs: OUTPUT«␤»
moritz wow, that sucks. It should work that way
perl6: sub star($a, *@a) { @a.say }; star |(1..10).list
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $a is declared but not used at /tmp/xhSgZKPZ8E line 1:␤------> sub star(⏏$a, *@a) { @a.say }; star |(1..10).list␤␤2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10␤»
..rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«␤»
moritz that works in niecza and rakudo, though niecza warns about unused $1
erm, unused $a
perl6: sub star($, *@a) { @a.say }; star |(1..10).list
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«*** ␤ Unexpected ","␤ expecting formal parameter␤ at /tmp/BfKDmkDfRR line 1, column 11␤»
..rakudo 424936, niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10␤»
zhutingting use | preappend yeah 08:53
masak oh wow. github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II 08:56
08:57 fhelmberger joined
masak I would like to say "this brings back memories", but I'm not sure I ever quite forgot this game. 08:58
09:01 araujo joined
jnthn arnsholt: data=0x0 09:09
There's your problem...
arnsholt: I'm guessing the CArray isn't set up properly somehow...
jnthn tries to work out for $dayjob, how is PIVOT query formed? how data get rotated? :) 09:10
moritz fun 09:12
09:23 plobsing joined 09:28 icwiener joined 09:29 alvis joined
masak p6: say ord("𐌈") 09:37
p6eval pugs, rakudo 424936, niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«66312␤»
masak \o/
09:39 mdupont left
bbkr_ moritz: I've spotted 2 new warnings on OS X: rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=112492 and I'm not sure if those were caused by fix in rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=112310 09:48
my C skills are way too rusty to verify that
moritz bbkr_: the "function returns an aggregate
" thing is well known
yes, we return an aggregate. It's valid if you know how to handle it
09:49 jaffa4 joined
jnthn The fix is to turn off the warning. 09:49
It's because old compilers could not handle it.
This is 2012.
jaffa4 hi
09:50 bacek left
masak hi jaffa4 09:50
jaffa4 Can niecza handle grammars at all?
masak yes.
Niecza's Perl 6 parser is written with Perl 6 grammars.
jaffa4 I keep gettiong Cannot dispatch to a method on pq because it is not inherited or done by Cursor 09:51
masak a minimal piece of code where you get this, posted to a pastebin, will help us diagnose that error for you.
bbkr_ ok, I copy pasted this decision to silence warning into ticket about aggregates
jaffa4 pastebin.com/uikRPgHy 09:52
masak jaffa4: glancing quickly, I'd say problem is /<pq::S>/ 09:53
moritz too
masak I'm not sure the :: syntax figures in grammars at all any more.
moritz well, it works(-ish) in rakudo again 09:54
masak jaffa4: check S05 for how to use pq.parse instead.
or MyGrammar.parse in general.
moritz if pg.parse($str, :rule<S>) { ... }
jnthn Rakudo handles <pq::S> style things pretty well these days 09:55
We pass tests for them, anyways.
moritz r: grammar pg { token identifier { hello }; rule S { <identifier> } }; say 'hello' ~~ /<pg::S>/
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«=> <hello>␤ pg::S => <hello>␤ identifier => <hello>␤␤»
jaffa4 n: grammar pg { token identifier { hello }; rule S { <identifier> } }; say 'hello' ~~ /<pg::S>/ 09:56
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Cannot dispatch to a method on pg because it is not inherited or done by Cursor␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 250 (Mu.dispatch:<::> @ 3) ␤ at /tmp/WxXGJ70Yxe line 1 (ANON @ 4) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.settin…
moritz n: grammar pg { }; say pg ~~ Grammar 09:57
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«True␤»
moritz n: grammar pg { }; say pg ~~ Cursor
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«True␤»
masak I'm not sure I like that (mis-)use of ::
moritz that looks like a nieczabug
masak :: is for packages.
moritz yes, but the error message says that pg doesn't do/is Cursor
but it is
masak yeah. 09:58
that's odd.
moritz n: grammar pg { token identifier { hello }; rule S { <identifier> } }; pg.parse('hello', :rule<S>) 09:59
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: ( no output )
moritz n: grammar pg { token identifier { hello }; rule S { <identifier> } }; say pg.parse('hello', :rule<S>)
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«#<match from(0) to(5) text(hello) pos([].list) named({"identifier" => #<match from(0) to(5) text(hello) pos([].list) named({}.hash)>}.hash)>␤»
moritz n: grammar pg { token identifier { hello }; rule TOP { <identifier> } }; say pg.parse('hello')
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«#<match from(0) to(5) text(hello) pos([].list) named({"identifier" => #<match from(0) to(5) text(hello) pos([].list) named({}.hash)>}.hash)>␤»
masak decommutes
moritz r: grammar pg { token identifier { hello }; rule S { <identifier> } }; say ('hello' ~~ /<pg::S>/).keys
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«pg::S␤»
10:02 envi_ joined
felher Hm, can someone confirm that './perl6 t/spec/S11-modules/require.t' fails? 10:10
moritz confirmed 10:12
jaffa4 What is this MyGrammar.parse($string, :actions($action-object))?
action-object?
moritz an object on which methods are called whenever a parsing rule finishes successfully
that's handy for building result objects
jaffa4 WHat should be the structure of that? 10:13
moritz just a class with methods of the same name as grammar rules
I'm sure I've written an example somewhere, let me dig it up... 10:14
jaffa4 and they $/ argumentt?
and they have $/ formal argumentt?
10:14 mdupont joined
moritz well, you can call the parameter whatever you like 10:14
but $/ is usual, because the argument that is bound to that parameter is a Match object after all 10:15
oh of course, there's an example and some explanation in Using Perl 6
10:15 bacek joined 10:16 scott____ left
moritz www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=842792 also has some examples 10:16
felher Good so that was not introduced in my added exceptions. It may have been introduced with 1c862bc2bd3a222156cc443518291f4a2f135228 10:17
10:17 xinming left
jaffa4 What is the difference between a rule and a token? 10:18
moritz jaffa4: see S05
10:30 xinming joined 10:37 zhutingting left 10:40 NamelessTee joined
jaffa4 a good faq would not hurt 10:41
10:42 kborer left
masak jaffa4: both tokens and rules do ratcheting. additionally, rules consider whitespace to be significant. 10:46
jaffa4: moritz is referring you to the spec all the time for the simple reason that the questions you ask often have very well-defined and precise answers in the spec. he is aware that you're averse to reading it, but he probably considers that it would save the both of you some time if you did. 10:48
it's the germ of the "if you didn't do any research, why should we help you?" culture that I see in other places dedicated or partly dedicated to helping newcomers with questions. 10:49
not saying it's good or bad. just saying it tends to establish itself as a cultural strain.
jaffa4 There are many ways of doing things including helping. 10:52
masak indeed.
I think the synthesis of it all is that "helping" is a bidirectional thing, where both parties have to listen and be adaptive. 10:53
jaffa4 Is this so in your culture? 10:54
gfldex if it takes as long to answer the question then to say "RTFM" it might be better to just stay silent
the spec is not the best documentation for a language one could wish for 10:55
masak I remember alester++ reacting about the fact that esr's "How to ask questions the smart way" has too much of this "If you didn't do your homework, why should we help you" mentality.
even the we/you distinction in there, which becomes increasingly clear as you read that text, is a little bothersome, if you ask me. 10:56
gfldex: it's not meant as learning material or documentation for the language. but as it happens, it's still the best resource for that, in early 2012.
jaffa4: I don't mean "culture" as in "Northern Europe". I mean "culture" as in "#perl6". 10:57
this is very much an online/Internet/IRC thing.
10:58 bbkr_ left, bbkr joined
jaffa4 I met this approach of helping you are advocating. 10:58
By the way, you answered. 11:01
masak I wasn't advocating the approach, I was explaining to you why you sometimes receive the answer "see S05" or a variation thereof. 11:03
I was highlighting the social mechanisms behind such an answer.
jaffa4 I thought some else was behind it, not this. 11:04
masak ooc, what did you think was behind it?
jaffa4 "I have no time for this.."
masak oh, that's probably part of it. 11:06
something like "I learned this from reading S05, so why couldn't you do the same?"
it boils down to the same thing. the feeling that some questions are unwarranted because they're easy to find answers to, if you would just bother to look in the right place. 11:07
again, I'm not taking sides. 11:15
jaffa4 ok 11:17
Woodi allo 11:19
11:20 att joined
masak Woodi! \o/ 11:20
Woodi but in Unix and around and "use man pages" is so _the best_ answer. it's like looking for what '-x' means for 'command' and then you discover new, big and unknown universe... 11:21
it like this with Perl6 in many cases 11:22
just wanted to catch tadzik to ask about Oslo but something came up in bakery for Saterday... 11:23
masak you have a bakery? 11:24
Woodi family have :)
masak awesome.
Woodi not bad. and sweet :) 11:25
brrt oh, btw
using perl 6 - i'd like to create an epub if that was ok.. and I'd like to create that using perl6
masak go for it.
brrt i just need ZIP support :-)
which i could write myself, but which will take time 11:26
and, specifically
I need a pack() unpack() replacement for
masak maybe be pragmatic and do qx[zip]
brrt masak: could not parse that 11:28
whats qx?
masak shell command. 11:29
brrt that could work
:-)
masak in that vein, either run() or shell() (or both) are available, too. 11:30
and might be more idiomatic than qx[] if you aren't interested in the output.
Woodi but using C library from Perl6 should be possible now
brrt any good xml handling libraries arround? 11:31
timotimo use regex for xml for great win
moritz jaffa4: once you've found out what the difference between regex, token and rules is, feel free to contribute it to github.com/perl6/faq/ 11:33
good documentation comes from people writing the documentation, not from wishing there was one 11:34
brrt yeah, that'll work :-) anyway, i'll figure it out
thanks
brrt has to go now, study
masak sure wishes there were p6<->C bindings to a good XML, so that he could do DOM/SAX/XSLT/XPath in Perl 6 11:39
arnsholt Have you looked at the feasability of binding to libxml with zavolaj?
masak no. 11:41
maybe I should.
11:41 godfrey999 left 11:42 NamelessTee left 11:43 noam joined 11:47 joik joined 11:48 joik left 11:52 pernatiy joined 11:55 benabik joined
masak wishes he woin't so busy 11:56
11:58 icwiener left
sjn masak: no worries, only a few more days, and you can have a relaxing weekend in Oslo :) 11:59
moritz I thought we were supposed to hack, not relax :-)
sjn stressful hacking? o_O 12:00
masak .oO( we're supposed to rehax )
sjn: yes, I'm counting on winding down in Oslo. that doesn't prevent me from being wound up now :/
sjn well, I can always ask krunen to bring drum he uses to keep the rowing slaves on his boat in tact. :) 12:01
moritz :-)
masak .oO( 1 commit per beat )
jaffa4 r : sub postfix:<!> is equiv:<++> ( Int $x ) {} 12:08
r: sub postfix:<!> is equiv:<++> ( Int $x ) {}
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/nwHPk3rvbf:1␤»
jaffa4 r: sub postfix:<!> is equiv:<++> ( Int $x ) { return 2;}
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/_2QD8e2zjM:1␤»
12:11 tokuhirom joined
tadzik Woodi: 'sup? 12:12
Woodi allo tadzik 12:13
can't go Oslo this year/week, need to repair something here 12:14
but looking on subject for hack, few was meta-perl-like and I would like to add (not sub I hope) few thinks... 12:17
masak "meta-perl-like"? 12:19
Woodi need to sit and write yet
marketing and other not technical :)
not quite technikal :) 12:20
nvm for now. but also no free, relaxing time for now :) 12:21
masak sjn++ seems to want us to think about the non-technical bits. 12:22
12:22 drbean left 12:23 drbean joined 12:28 sftp joined
sjn masak: well, the non-technical bits have a very strong base in the technical bits :) 12:29
so we'll get to do both :) 12:30
12:31 icwiener joined
masak *nod* 12:33
Woodi sjn: you organize impraza ? 12:34
becouse I remember I mentioned one day pizza for p6 developers, would to so something about this if possible :) 12:36
sjn Woodi: I don't know the word "impraza" :-/
sjn organizes this weekend's hackathon in Oslo
moritz phenny: "impraza"?
phenny moritz: "impraza" (it to en, translate.google.com)
12:37 brrt1 joined, brrt left
Woodi hmm, sec 12:37
festival or meeting with friends, or general for picnik like time :) 12:38
jaffa4 sjn: What are you going to do?
12:39 sivoais left
Woodi realy need to go to some not text only display :) 12:39
masak phenny: pl en "impraza"? 12:40
phenny masak: "impraza" (pl to en, translate.google.com)
12:41 LylePerl joined
Woodi sjn: your mail is on kaizendo ? 12:42
felher moritz: i tried to rewrite everything on True/Die which caused a lot of spectest to fail. I then tried everything with True/Failure which doesn't cause any spectest to fail. Also, i searched a bit in the specs. A few of the IO-Functions are spec'ed and those are spec'ed to return True/Failure. Maybe we should keep on that way?
sjn Woodi: [email@hidden.address] is fine
Woodi ook
sjn the kaizendo mail ends up there anyway :)
moritz felher: well, for now True/Failure is more risky, because our Failures don't explode in sink/void context 12:43
felher: which is why I'd prefer True/die until that issue is resolved
12:46 birdwindupbird left 12:47 LylePerl left
sjn jaffa4: at the hackathon? mostly see if I can help someone with something :) 12:48
masak sjn: you can help me with macros!
sjn jaffa4: also, trying to get some stuff done wrt. how to make Perl 6 easier to pick up
jaffa4 I have to imagine a big rooom with lot of computers.. where people sit in pairss. 12:49
or alone
sjn jaffa4: the venue is a bunch of meeting rooms and classrooms
so we get to choose where to sit :) 12:50
12:50 LylePerl joined
tadzik phenny: "impreza"? 12:50
phenny tadzik: "event" (pl to en, translate.google.com)
masak oh!
tadzik++
sjn that makes more sense :)
12:52 PacoAir joined
jaffa4 everybody brings his laptop style or there are computers already. 12:52
moritz laptops
12:52 sivoais joined
sjn laptop, that have been prepared with everything that's necessary to get stuff done :) 12:54
felher moritz: i see :)
moritz dearly hopes so
sjn spending time at a hackathon on setting up your computer, is fail.
moritz spending time at a hackathon on writing slides is also fail
moritz has done that too
felher moritz: okay. So feel free give your opinions gist.github.com/2405788 whenever you have time :) 12:55
moritz r: say 7.base(8)
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«7␤»
moritz r: say 7.fmt("%03o") 12:56
p6eval rakudo 424936: OUTPUT«007␤»
moritz felher: that might be better to get at least 3 octal digits, as unix folks are used to
felher moritz: oh, nice. Yes, surely an improvment :)
+e 12:57
moritz felher: apart from that it looks very nice 12:58
actually, even as it is now it's worth applying, but if you want to polish first, I'll wait for it 12:59
felher moritz: yes, i will at least change it to use fmt instead of base :) 13:00
moritz: can we expect everybody to think the mode is given in octal or should i keep the prefix '0o'?
moritz felher: keep 0o for now 13:01
if people complain, we can still remove it
13:04 bluescreen10 joined
[Coke] we have no rakudo compiler releases allocated after this week. 13:04
so, please pick a month and put your name down. (docs/rel*)
jnthn oh noes, does that mean this is the last release?!?!
[Coke] thanks! 13:05
jnthn plz sign up, folks ;-)
[Coke] jnthn: aye. it better be a good one.
masak yeah, let's see some new names on the list. 13:06
show how much you love Rakudo :)
jaffa4 IS there a way to specify priority when overloading operands? (I found is tighter does not seem to be working)
moritz is tighter works with niecza 13:07
dalek kudo/nom: b403135 | coke++ | docs/release_guide.pod:
allocate a release name.
moritz no support for that in rakudo yet
[Coke] hey, sorear you wanna do a rakudo release? ;)
dalek kudo/nom: 95a6d8c | moritz++ | docs/ (2 files):
update changelog and release announcement a bit
 13:11
masak surely Rakudo isn't so short on release managers that they try to enlist sorear now...? :P 13:12
13:12 FACEFOX left
felher moritz: okay, i updated the gist to use your fmt-idea. If you apply it, what about the spectest that will fail because of that? 13:12
13:12 FACEFOX joined
moritz felher: I can take care of them 13:13
13:13 kborer joined 13:14 birdwindupbird joined
felher moritz: okay then. If you want a list of spectest that fail i'm currently spectesting and creating a log. 13:14
moritz felher: great 13:15
I just noticed something odd 13:16
once we have a sink context, try function_that_fails; will die
masak & 13:17
moritz try won't react to the failure, return the return value of the function, and is then evaluated in sink context => boom
dalek kudo/nom: b401415 | moritz++ | docs/announce/2012.04:
[announce] note two incompatible changes in the release announcement
 13:20
moritz I'll leave the rest of the announcement fiddling to [Coke]++ 13:21
jaffa4 moritz: not for me 13:23
[Coke] moritz++ for those bits. 13:26
felher moritz: i added a complete 'make spectest' log to my gist 13:32
moritz felher: thanks. Just 4 files, not too bad 13:36
felher &afk
13:39 att left 13:45 GlitchMr joined
jnthn smiles as he uses Perl to apply refactors to a C# codebase :) 13:46
moritz :-) 13:47
I think I have the spectests sorted out, but running another pass just to be sure 13:48
most of it was Test::Util dieing on failed unlink() 13:49
jnthn I'll try and look at my require.t bustage.
Should have chance this evening.
jaffa4 jnthn: what do you use to refactor?
dalek kudo/nom: 36bbb40 | (Felix Herrmann)++ | src/core/ (2 files):
add a few typed IO exceptions

Signed-off-by: Moritz Lenz [email@hidden.address]		 13:52
ast: 84b3895 | moritz++ | / (3 files):
[IO] handle dying unlink and mkdir

Rakudo now throws exceptions for failed &unlink and &mkdir calls. This is a deliberate deviation from the existing tests (and maybe spec), because we don't have sink context yet, which leads to failures silently being ignored.
This commit fudges two tests for rakudo, and makes Test::Util happy again.
13:58 NamelessTee joined
jnthn jaffa4: Regexes :P The transform I wanted to apply was extrmely mechanical. 13:59
(Basically, API changes as part of unifying two MVP frameworks.)
14:02 tokuhirom left
[Coke] MVP? 14:04
jnthn Model View Presenter 14:05
14:07 bacek left
sjn !seen pmichaud 14:14
seen pmichaud
aloha pmichaud was last seen in #perl6 5 days 23 hours ago saying "kthx".
sjn right
14:15 att joined
[Coke] reads again that YAPC::NA::2012's hackathon is sold olt. 14:17
*sold out
moritz a hackathon can be sold out? 14:18
[Coke] jnthn: ... is that the same thing as MVC?
14:18 mucker left
[Coke] moritz: blogs.perl.org/users/jt_smith/2012/...d-out.html 14:18
sjn moritz: yep, if there's limited space, and people are willing to pay for being there :) 14:19
jnthn [Coke]: No, though they're in the same niche.
(e.g. both are design patterns for factoring UIs)
14:27 PacoAir left 14:33 kaleem left 14:35 raiph joined 14:39 alester joined
alester What branch in rakudo/rakudo is the one I should base work on? The equivalent of master? Is it "nom"? And if so, what does "nom" mean? 14:41
tadzik nom
new object model
it's the default branch
alester OK
There were some tickets that cmae through for quieting compiler warnings, and I was going to go after them. 14:42
moritz \o/
PerlJam alester++
alester I'm sort of responsible for them anywya, if Rakudo uses Parrot's GCC flags. 14:45
jnthn Yeah, it does.
Apparently the "thingy returns an aggregate" one is quite noisy on GCC
14:45 plutoid joined
jnthn Though that's when compiling nqp, not Rakudo itself. 14:45
alester Can someone point me at the current instructions for building Rakudo?
14:45 prammer joined
moritz (though note that the warnings come from clang in the case of these tickets) 14:45
jnthn ah 14:46
moritz alester: it's in the README, or on rakudo.org/how-to-get-rakudo/
alester That was too easy.
We should have the build instructions harder to find, like I assumed they were.
moritz I'll work on it :-)
benabik alester: You probably want to build NQP separately, rather than using --gen-nqp. 14:47
I find it's much easier to handle it that way.
alester How does one do that?
jnthn uses the --gen stuff and finds it easy to handle :)
benabik (For development. For users the --gen- options are awesome)
jnthn alester: --gen-parrot will build Parrot and NQP from git for you.
moritz in nqp directory, perl Configure.pl --with-parrot=$path/to/your/bin/parrot 14:48
but I disagree with benabik, just use the --gen- options for now
benabik does sometimes like doing things the hard way.
alester If I build my own parrot outside of Rakudo, and install that, then will Rakudo use Parrot's GCC flags somehow? 14:49
tadzik yes
alester Because the way I build Parrot is even more jacked up with warnings than a standard Parrot build.
tadzik it gets them from parrot_config I suppose
benabik alester: It grabs info from parrot_config
alester ok
14:49 fsergot joined
alester I build with GCC 4.8 from the dev snapshots. 14:49
Latest add in there: --warn-unnecessary-casts (or something like that) 14:50
fsergot Hello! o/
alester Got to clean up lots of goodness because of that.
tadzik hey fsergot
jnthn alester: ooc, does it warn about ones that a C++ compiler would need to have in there?
(not that I really care that my C is also valid C++, I'm just being curious)
alester It's a C++-only flag, as I recall. 14:51
I build my parrot with both g++ and gcc
g++ is typically more stringnet, but there are things that are gcc-only, too.
Basically, I'm using gcc/g++ as static analysis tool more than code generation. :) 14:52
jnthn ah :) 14:57
jnthn is aware that there are places that C doesn't care for casts, but C++ wants them
Anyway, alester++ for working on warning cleanup 14:58
Time to decommute here. bbl
tadzik the worst thing is that you can't name a variable "new" ;) 14:59
moritz that's not so easy in p6 either :-)
n: my \new = 3; say new 15:00
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«3␤»
moritz n: my \new = 3; new = 5; say new
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: assigning to readonly value␤ at /tmp/ZNLfxMBiIG line 0 (mainline @ 1) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3839 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3840 (module-CORE @ 65) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/li…
moritz n: my \new = 3; new := 5; say new
p6eval niecza v16-21-g1b64073: OUTPUT«5␤»
15:04 NamelessTee left 15:07 jferrero joined 15:10 ggoebel joined, mucker joined 15:12 wtw left 15:15 kresike left 15:17 cognominal_ left 15:19 cognominal joined
alester jnthn: What I've been finding in Parrot is casts from size_t to size_t. 15:21
For example.
15:22 thou joined, plutoid left
alester It mostly just seems like detritus of things that were once necessary but no longer is. 15:24
15:26 kborer left 15:30 jaldhar left 15:34 jaldhar joined 15:35 spaceships joined, HarryS joined 15:39 fglock left 15:45 lichtkind joined 15:48 Psyche^ joined, icwiener left
TimToady I suspect prefix:<|> should supply a list context to its argument so that 1..10 flattens without the need for .list 15:49
15:51 cxreg joined 15:52 uvtc joined, Psyche^ is now known as Patterner 15:55 jaldhar left
jnthn home 15:56
TimToady: If it supplies a list context, what about |$c and |%h ?
(Answer: we'll end up passing only the list part of the capture, and positionally pass the pairs of the hash...or so it seems to me...) 15:57
TimToady I see that 15:58
15:58 jaldhar joined
jnthn Don't disagree with the goal of 1..10 flattening. 15:59
Just think it's not as simple as list context.
TimToady nodnod
jnthn In Rakudo I handle | in argument lists syntactically at the moment.
(Since flatten flags need setting.) 16:00
In fact, I find it hard to imagine an implementation that doesn't have to flag the flattening somehow.
TimToady yes, it's rather cheaty wrt captures 16:01
it's another one of those almost-eval escape-hatch things 16:03
pmichaud good morning, #perl6
TimToady howdydoo
pmichaud well, I suspect that |$c shouldn't flatten, because of the $ 16:05
16:05 GlitchMr left
TimToady then what is the point of using it? 16:05
jnthn hi, pmichaud :)
pmichaud oh, perhaps I misunderstood. likely, since I'm definitely not anywhere close to 100% today
TimToady it's obviously meant to be a deref of some sort
pmichaud yeah, that makes sense. nm. 16:06
TimToady yes, well, mornings happen... :/
pmichaud <-- fighting allergies and losing
jnthn pmichaud: Ouch :( 16:08
TimToady <-- dueling hay fever and spring fever...or maybe they're cooperating...
jnthn TimToady: Ouch :(
16:08 brrt1 left
uvtc TimToady, is the [cheat sheet](raw.github.com/perl6/mu/master/doc...sheet.txt) current? 16:09
TimToady course, doing taxes doesn't help either...
uvtc I don't see gather/take in there.
TimToady uvtc: pretty much; statement prefixes like gather didn't make the cut
uvtc TimToady, how about [syntax for forcing context](perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/06-...xts.html)? 16:10
~ ? + - $( ) @( ) ...
TimToady those all still work
uvtc No, I mean, I was looking for them in the cheat sheet but didn't see them ... 16:11
TimToady there has to be *some* whitespace on the page :)
16:11 machine2 left
TimToady $() and @() are there on the right 16:12
uvtc Clojure has a pretty amazing cheat sheet ... with a version in the wings that has nice pop-up mini-docs for each of the items in the cheat sheet:
jafingerhut.github.com/cheatsheet-c...mmary.html 16:13
TimToady and + - ~ are listed in the precedence table
pmichaud fortunately I got taxes out of the way weeks ago
TimToady well, we were putting it off because we owe a lot this year, due to paying for house refurb from stock options 16:14
I think maybe the IRS sorts their acceptance list into priority of how much money is being paid, because they accepted our returns last night in a couple hours rather than days 16:15
16:15 thou left 16:16 machine2 joined
TimToady uvtc: maybe you should do a Clojure backend for Perl 6 :D 16:16
uvtc TimToady, sorry, I'm not seeing those operators for forcing context in the "operator precedence" section of the cheat sheet. If they are there, I'm expecting to see a line like: "context: ~ ? + - $() @() %() @@()" 16:17
16:17 skids joined
TimToady "context" is not a precedence level, look for the line that starts "unary" 16:18
uvtc If those operators (that syntax?) for forcing context are not a precedence level, why did you write above "and + - ~ are listed in the precedence table"? 16:20
16:21 jaldhar left
uvtc TimToady, re a Clojure backend for Perl 6, Clojure (well, "ClojureJVM") has a backend of its own: the JVM. And Perl 6 has got Niecza, of course. 16:21
TimToady why do you insist on having a category for "forcing context"? Everything forces context...
uvtc TimToady, I was just reading a Perl 6 snippet somewhere and saw "-$foo" and thought, "oh, hm, what context does that thingy force again?", and then thought, "oh, I'll check the cheat sheet". That's all. I don't mean to insist. :) 16:22
16:23 tarch left, jaldhar joined
TimToady compared to Perl 5, the notion of context is rather more nebulous, organic, functional, and lazy in Perl 6 16:24
16:25 att left, kaleem joined
TimToady on some semantic level, a context is just a coercer that can do the identity transformation when no coercion is necessary 16:25
the + in +42 is a no-op, really 16:26
16:27 Trashlord joined
uvtc TimToady, I don't know what you mean by "identity transformation". 16:28
TimToady in +'42' it's really doing something, but in either case, it can be viewed as a mere function (albiet a multi)
I mean it's a no-op
uvtc Ah. Ok.
TimToady it just returns what you passed it, if it doesn't need to change it
just as a list in list context is in no need of additional listification 16:29
uvtc Perl 6 has lazy lists, correct? If so, how do I tell Perl 6 that I want it to realize/unlazify the list? 16:30
TimToady the closest things in Perl 6 to real contexts are the various ways of binding lists to parameters
you can use eager for that
uvtc (Sorry if that's off the main topic being discussed presently ... it seemed vaguely related) 16:31
TimToady or you can just read the whole list and do something with it :)
uvtc Ah. Right. :)
TimToady eager() just does that then returns it for its "do something"
effectively, anyway, though any given implementation might cheat in various ways 16:32
16:33 kaleem left 16:37 kaleem joined 16:38 att joined, godfrey999 joined, thou joined 16:39 pernatiy left 16:44 thelazydeveloper joined 16:45 birdwindupbird left
TimToady moritz: re try failure(), in S04:1026 we have set_outer_caller's_bang(@handled) unless @unhandled; which should probably also force the return value to Nil when this CATCH's outer scope is going to be the unwind target 16:46
16:47 kaleem left
pmichaud yay, I get to head to the p6 patterns hackathon in oslo tomorrow! Then I read this: www.cnn.com/2012/04/17/travel/canad...?hpt=hp_t2 (Pilot sends plane into dive after mistaking Venus for oncoming plane) 16:47
TimToady well, this happens periodically 16:48
PerlJam pmichaud: uncanny timing ... Gary was just in my office asking about you :)
pmichaud Hi Gary!
(fortunately, the pilot managed to avoid hitting Venus.) 16:49
jnthn ...Venus?! :)
TimToady good thing he didn't climb instead
jnthn That woulda been a long climb to avoid...
16:50 kaleem joined 16:52 PacoAir joined 16:54 kaleem left 16:57 cogno joined, cogno left, dakkar left 16:58 cogno joined 16:59 thou_ joined 17:02 thou left 17:04 Chillance joined 17:09 icwiener joined
sorear good * #perl6 17:12
fsergot sorear: o/ 17:15
sorear moritz: the error message says that Cursor doesn't do/is pg 17:16
moritz: <pg::S> becomes $c.pg::S(), and at the time I stole that syntax from Rakudo, it was checking for MRO presense of pg in $c
moritz sorear: "Cannot dispatch to a method on pg because it is not inherited or done by Cursor" 17:22
I read that as 'pg !~~ Cursor'
17:22 machine2 left
moritz and that's simply wrong 17:22
fsergot nom: say $*IN.^methods.perl
p6eval rakudo 36bbb4: OUTPUT«(method open(IO , Any , Mu %_!) { ... }, method close(IO , Mu %_!) { ... }, method eof(IO , Mu %_!) { ... }, method get(IO , Mu %_!) { ... }, method getc(IO , Mu %_!) { ... }, method lines(IO , Any $limit = { ... }, Mu %_!) { ... }, method read(IO:D , Cool:D $bytes…
moritz nom: say ~$*IN.^method 17:23
fsergot nom: say $*IN.^methods
p6eval rakudo 36bbb4: OUTPUT«Method 'method' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'␤ in method dispatch:<.^> at src/gen/CORE.setting:784␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/5NaImo1KBJ:1␤␤»
rakudo 36bbb4: OUTPUT«open close eof get getc lines read seek tell write opened print slurp d e f l r s t w x z copy chmod say <anon> <anon> <anon>␤»
fsergot Why does $*IN have print method?
benabik nom: $*IN.print('hi')
p6eval rakudo 36bbb4: OUTPUT«FileHandle is not opened for writing␤ in method print at src/gen/CORE.setting:6637␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/12_tWTtt57:1␤␤»
moritz fsergot: because it's the saem class as $*OUT
17:24 s1n joined
benabik nom: $*IN.WHAT.say 17:24
p6eval rakudo 36bbb4: OUTPUT«IO()␤»
moritz fsergot: and it would be more confusing if the IO objects didn't have the methods, than the current error message
fsergot Is there a meaning to write to $*IN
?
moritz: Oh, ok. :)
Thanks. :) 17:26
sorear moritz: it's a passive sentence. Would it be clearer to you if it said "because Cursor does not inherit or do pg"? 17:27
moritz sorear: it would be clearer, but doesn't make any sense to me either 17:29
17:29 machine2 joined
moritz because it would mean you can't inject subclasses of Cursor anywhere 17:29
sorear moritz: $c is an object of type Cursor, not an object of type pg 17:30
so when you say $c.pg::S(), you're trying to call a method that simply doesn't exist on $c
moritz sorear: but the error message doesn't talk about $c, it talks about pg
sorear The part of the system that generates that error message doesn't know the names of variables 17:31
TimToady p5 would probably say "Can't locate method S via pg"
moritz though of course the better fix would be to simply parse it as pg.S 17:32
as rakudo does today
sorear I don't understand how that works 17:33
moritz it parses anything of the form <name> [ '::' <name> ]+ as a special lookup 17:36
if the full name is a Grammar, it calls ThatGrammar.TOP
otherwise it takes the last of the names as the method name, and calls it on the rest of the name, taken as a package name 17:37
jnthn moritz: Er, it always takes the last component as the rule name, iirc.
moritz it does?
jnthn I think that's how I implemented it.
sorear: If it helps, it's using just about the same mechanism LANG does for langauge switching. 17:38
moritz r: grammar A::B { token TOP { foo } }; say 'foo' ~~ /<A::B>/
p6eval rakudo 36bbb4: OUTPUT«Method '!cursor_init' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤ in any find_method at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:143␤ in method OTHERGRAMMAR at src/gen/CORE.setting:8784␤ in regex <anon> at /tmp/m8OutHTDrZ:1␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:8819␤ in block <an…
moritz hm, right
r: grammar A::B { token TOP { foo } }; say 'foo' ~~ /<A::B::TOP>/
p6eval rakudo 36bbb4: OUTPUT«=> <foo>␤ A::B::TOP => <foo>␤␤»
jnthn moritz: I mean, we can make it work that way easy enough.
moritz: It just ain't how it currently is.
moritz ok
probably needs a spec clarification
jnthn And I'm not aware of any spec or tests that expect it to be that way. 17:39
17:39 mucker left, fhelmberger left
sorear jnthn: oh, so it actually switches language? 17:43
<foo::bar> in Rakudo works like STD expects [ :lang(foo) <bar> ]? I can manage that
jnthn sorear: yeah, basically that 17:44
sorear jnthn: Incidentally, I'd rather not do any Rakudo releases just now ... :D 17:45
jnthn Though pretty sure we don't ahve the :lang sugar for doing it
But it's how I'd expect to implement :lang too
sorear do you know of any tests for the <foo::bar> behavior? 17:46
jnthn I know we run some 17:47
I forget where they are
gotta afk for 10, can prolly find 'em when I'm back
17:49 thou_ left, thou joined 17:54 cogno left 18:08 godfrey999 left, daxim left
jnthn sorear: S05-grammar/namespace.t has one. It's todo'd for niecza. 18:11
I recall some others, but don't see 'em right off. 18:12
18:13 cogno joined 18:17 fglock joined 18:21 Eddie_Mty joined 18:23 s1n left, birdwindupbird joined 18:26 cogno left
lichtkind hai 18:30
phenny lichtkind: 04:50Z <raiph> tell lichtkind i chatted with uvtc. i agreed to do the lookup-to-index (b2a) etc. links to complete his conversion to Pandoc-Markdown. Then we can use that instead of socialtext or raw html.
lichtkind: 04:51Z <raiph> tell lichtkind if we go this route (please!) we'll want moritz to create a perl6 repo from www.unexpected-vortices.com/temp/ta...ocs.tar.gz (as published at www.unexpected-vortices.com/perl-6/...tion.html) and stick to editing that repo.
18:32 birdwind1pbird joined, birdwindupbird left, cognominal_ joined 18:34 raiph left 18:35 cognominal left 18:37 s1n joined
uvtc Where can I find the documention on the Test module. Specifically, docs on how to use Test? 18:42
18:43 machine2 left
PerlJam uvtc: Read the code? 18:43
uvtc: look at Test::More (perl 5 module) for ideas and inspiration? 18:44
uvtc: sorry I don't have any good answers.
uvtc: Look at existing code that uses Test.pm?
uvtc Does P6's Test mimic P5's Test::More?
PerlJam uvtc: it doesn't mimic exactly, but it's darn close
uvtc Ok, thanks, PerlJam.
18:49 sudokode joined, NamelessTee joined
uvtc I see that, at [the module directory](modules.perl6.org/) for documentation on creating your own modules, there's a link to tadzik's blog post from a little while back. I think that modules.perl6.org should have its own article on contributing modules. Perhaps this: 19:00
www.unexpected-vortices.com/perl-6/...dules.html
The source of that is at the same url, just change .html to .txt. 19:01
There may be errors in it. If so,
please let me know.
Feel free to take that and use it at modules.perl6.org, if you think it would be of use.
(of course, if using, please remove the blockquote near the top) 19:02
lichtkind uvtc: ping
uvtc hi lichtkind. 19:03
19:04 lumi_ joined
jnthn Hmm....where has dalek got to? 19:04
Anyway, I just pushed a fix for the require.t regression I accidentally the other day. 19:05
19:08 spider-mario joined
[Coke] O_o 19:10
lichtkind jnthn: cheers
19:12 birdwind1pbird left
jnthn o/ lichtkind 19:12
19:13 benabik_ joined, birdwindupbird joined 19:14 benabik left, benabik_ is now known as benabik
lichtkind jnthn: im really in the mood to give you another microgrant :) 19:15
masak evening, #perl6 19:21
spider-mario \o
fsergot masak \o/ 19:22
masak \o/
sorear hi and bye, masak
masak $*IN, sorear $*OUT 19:23
uvtc phenny, tell moritz irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2012-04-17#i_5457320 -- took info from tadzik's post. Hoping that might be useful to have at perl6/modules.perl6.org. 19:25
phenny uvtc: I'll pass that on when moritz is around.
19:27 thou left
fsergot sorear o/ 19:27
19:31 mdupont left 19:32 sftp left
masak twitter.com/dsyme/status/192251427094138880 # CS autopun 19:33
19:34 sftp joined
[Coke] I don't get it. 19:35
lichtkind moritz: ping 19:36
[Coke] but tht's ok.
19:37 vlixes joined, benabik left
masak [Coke]: I'm not expert at coinduction, but it essentially means infinitely unfoldable cursors. 19:37
PerlJam I guess I'm starting to get to that age now. 19:38
Usually when I see a wikipedia article that starts with "In computer science ..." I've at least heard the term before and had at least some vague idea what it was. 19:39
not so for coinduction.
19:40 benabik joined
masak PerlJam: do you have the sense that you've applied the concept indirectly without knowing what it was called? 19:40
PerlJam yes ... ish 19:41
masak :)
PerlJam Actually, I'm pretty sure I've seen the term before, but it's not "connected" in my brain. 19:42
19:43 ggoebel left
uvtc It should be spelled co-induction (with the hyphen), IMO. I first thought it must have something to do with coins. :) 19:43
19:44 ggoebel joined
masak cöinduction :P 19:44
japhb I can tell I'm getting old when somebody brings up a pattern, data structure, algorithm, etc. that I've never heard of, and I look it up on Wikipedia only to find it's been around long enough to get its own driver's license -- and that's still *AFTER* I graduated from college.
uvtc abduction, reduction, coinduction
[Coke] doesn't help that I didn't study CS, per se.
PerlJam japhb: It only gets worse as you get older ... "That sounds vaguely familiar..." [later you realize that you wrote your thesis on the topic] ;-) 19:45
japhb *ouch*
uvtc hahaha
japhb I had that happen with a senior thesis a couple weeks ago, actually. Damn.
19:46 mdupont joined
[Coke] huh. I also have no thesis. perhaps I'm hanging out in the wrong channel. ;) 19:46
PerlJam [Coke]: It actually might help. The older I get, the less surprised I am that people come at CS concepts from some non-CS direction.
japhb [Coke], make up a thesis! Most pundits do ...
[Coke] PerlJam: it was computer systems engineering so it's not THAT far off. ;)
japhb: I briefly considered earlier this year going back for a master's or PHD. I just don't have the time. 19:47
(sad, given that I could probably get work to pay for it!)
PerlJam [Coke]: that's even better! I still have a hard time finding the science in computer science.
or computing science if you prefer
japhb PerlJam, when I was first deciding what to eventually take in college, I couldn't pick "CS" because that wasn't really an available major at more than a few colleges. Then thankfully that changed before I had to start applying, but my mother thought I was really lowering my sights when I told her I was no longer planning to double major in Math and Physics. 19:48
PerlJam [Coke]: I used to be a "jack of all trades, master of none" ... then I got a master's degree in computer science :)
japhb PerlJam, so ... no change then? ;-)
PerlJam heh 19:49
japhb: btw, I tend to agree with your mother ;)
19:50 leprevost joined, nebuchadnezzar joined
japhb Well, she may have had a point ... but I sure enjoyed myself more than I probably would have otherwise. 19:50
I only decided against a minor in Physics because of a class that I could tell from the course description was likely to cause me to go rather insane. 19:51
(which was of course required, as far as I could tell, as a form of hazing) 19:52
PerlJam insanity and confusion are natural human states
huf they're the only state we can be in :) 19:53
japhb
.oO( We're just insane enough to believe we're not confused *all* of the time ... )
 19:54
huf i think the insanity sometimes gets lost in the confusion and vice versa
19:54 ggoebel left
masak I consider hanging around here part of my rehabilitation from not having chosen a CS major. 19:58
jnthn tadzik: I have this memory of you giving me a tarball with a set of modules that caused some crash/problem. Alas, I've misplaced it...searching the irclogs ain't helping so far either. Don't suppose you have it? 19:59
japhb masak: I think you could switch the prefix before -habilitation and still have a valid statement.
Perhaps 'de-'? :-) 20:00
masak 'des-'? :P
jnthn tadzik: never mind, found it. :)
masak phenny: "deshabillé"?
phenny masak: "dishabille" (es to en, translate.google.com)
huf mis-?
masak oh, it's 20:01
phenny: "déshabillé"?
phenny masak: "undressed" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
japhb
.oO( Mentally undressed )
 20:02
Naked brains!
20:03 ggoebel joined
geekosaur zombie bait? 20:03
20:05 att left
japhb
.oO( The Martians from Mars Attacks! would probably be the ultimate zombie bait )
 20:06
masak I think you are being very vivo-centric, assuming that a zombie will care about nakedness in any shape or form. :) 20:09
japhb masak, well, naked in the sense of "no skull that might block the smell of those delicious brains" 20:10
Or if you prefer, naked as in singularity. 20:11
geekosaur was thinking the forer, no skull covering them 20:15
geekosaur kannot tipe
masak interesting point. 20:17
the zombies I know from the "literature" usually don't mind there being a skull in the way.
sjohnson masak! 20:18
how's it goin
20:19 thou joined
japhb masak: Yes, but I'm thinking, they would be drawn to naked brains from much farther away. Unless it was the "life force" following subtype, in which case all bets are off. 20:21
I'm clearly growing cynical as well. I was thinking "Man, Duck Duck Go is getting really good" and that was immediately followed by "I wonder if they've gone evil yet?" 20:24
20:24 FACEFOX left, ggoebel left, FACEFOX joined, FACEFOX left
masak sjohnson: hi! going well. busy today and tomorrow, but then... Oslo. \o/ 20:25
sjohnson: how're you?
sjohnson good.. i keep getting whacked by the proverbial bamboo stick on #perl 20:26
but i'm starting to like it
makes me realize how wrong i was about many p5 things
PerlJam sjohnson: kinky
sjohnson heh, wait till i start asking questions here
masak .oO( sjohnson would like Singapore )
sjohnson my back will be bloody, raw, bruised and sore
20:26 FACEFOX joined, FACEFOX left
masak glad to hear you're having fun learning. :) we all should. 20:27
PerlJam that's so true 20:28
20:28 FACEFOX joined, FACEFOX left
sjohnson for sure 20:28
20:29 fgomez joined
sjohnson perl5 for me seems like unfathomable ocean 20:29
i can't imagine taking on p6 (yet)
masak I'm not sure you need to think of it that way.
PerlJam p5 is the ocean, p6 is space?
masak both languages are big if you consider all the suburbs. 20:30
TimToady p5 is the atlantic, p6 is the pacific
20:30 FACEFOX joined, FACEFOX left
PerlJam TimToady: p6 has a ring of fire and some volcanic activity? 20:30
masak like, Edument's Intermediate Perl (5) course is mostly about getting to CPAN, and then learning to use CPAN well.
20:30 cooper joined 20:31 icwiener left
masak PerlJam: hell yeah! 20:31
masak it runs on geological time scales, though :/
20:31 FACEFOX joined, FACEFOX left
TimToady not always; sometimes it'll make the earth move 20:31
masak er, s/ (.*) / .oO( $1 ) / 20:32
20:32 raiph joined
masak gee, that was a p5 regex but with p6 insignificant whitespace. I should stop typing. 20:32
lichtkind masak: do you have same rights as moritz?
PerlJam lichtkind: moritz and masak are twins! Can't you see? 20:33
TimToady no, but he's got a wicket hook
masak no, he lives in Germany.
TimToady *wicked
PerlJam They're both and m<tab> away
s/and/an/
lichtkind masak: i just ask to change the cron job script for the tablets
masak I consider moritz to be more righteous than me.
20:33 att joined
masak lichtkind: oh, I may have such rights, but tuits: no. sadly not. 20:34
thanks for the flattering implication, though.
PerlJam masak: so what rights to germans have that you do not? 20:35
jnthn The right to cheap beer.
TimToady cheap beer!
Araq ... puns ... all I see is puns ...
20:35 FACEFOX joined, FACEFOX left, cooper left 20:36 HarryS left
masak PerlJam: I'm not sure, actually. I'm not an expert at legal matters. but I'm pretty sure the rights differ somewhat. 20:36
TimToady blames the pun control lobby 20:37
20:37 HarryS joined, FACEFOX joined, cooper joined
TimToady the lobby has two door, y'see, and sometimes the incoming puns cancel, and sometimes they reinforce... 20:38
masak visualizes a ripple pattern of pun across the opposite Wall 20:39
"professor, these puns refuse to decohere!"
"just observe them until they do!" 20:40
TimToady *doors 20:41
[Coke] ooh, beer. I have some nice Hefe-Weiße waiting for me at home. 20:42
TimToady "Why do you try to remove the splinter from someone else's eye when you have a Max Planck in your own eye?"
[Coke] I see what you did there.
Araq a beer is definitely a good idea ...
PerlJam "a beer"? 20:43
[Coke] PerlJam: every journey starts with a single beer.
PerlJam
.oO( I didn't know there was a such thing as a singular beer )
 20:44
masak TimToady: I didn't see the Max Planck because of measurement error!
TimToady you have to get your beer atom from one or another of them
japhb
.oO( Atomic-powered beer )
 20:45
Araq "Paulaner Hefe-Weißbier -- naturtrüb", better PerlJam?
20:45 ggoebel joined
japhb
.oO( "It's nuclear freakin' BEER!" )
 20:45
TimToady japhb: not going to be allowed in Germany soon
japhb well played
masak there you go. diff'rent rites. 20:46
TimToady especially Down Under, where it's not the Rite of Spring
20:46 birdwindupbird left
TimToady but they know a thing or two about beer atoms 20:47
masak assumes the reference is www.imdb.com/title/tt0096486/ 20:48
TimToady yes, a close relative of Young Max Planck 20:49
japhb
.oO( "What is the neutron cross section of a beer atom? What, all of you know? OK ... uh ... Bruce, how about you?" )
20:49 ggoebel left
japhb Does beer made in a barn therefore have a higher neutron cross section? 20:51
TimToady made in the loft, it'd be higher
TimToady should probably wander off before he does any more permanent damage... 20:52
afk &
masak japhb: :P 20:53
japhb I was waiting for that ....
masak sat in on a nuclear physics course once, so he gets it
Araq TimToady: too late, I'm drunk by now
PerlJam he said *permanent* damage 20:54
jnthn tadzik: Good news: I understand the problem. Bad news: I dunno how to fix it yet.
tadzik uvtc: nice guidde you've got there; it should probably land on modules.perl6.org instead of my aged blog post 20:55
20:55 ggoebel joined
tadzik jnthn: yay! oh noes 20:55
japhb So how is it that jnthn "I've tried beer in several dozen countries" manage to come in with an actual on-topic comment?
lichtkind masak: would you at least send us the cron file? 20:56
uvtc tadzik, Thanks. I'm hoping it's useful. Can you please look it over and let me know what errors it contains? I have not published any Perl 6 modules, so doubtless it contains errors.
tadzik, Yes, I had your blog post open in front of me while writing it. 20:57
jnthn japhb: Because I haven't tried beer in any country yet today? :)
tadzik uvtc: I'll take a closer look oncde I get back home
tadzik ircing from the metro. Take that, masak! :P
uvtc tadzik, would appreciate it. Thanks. My email address is on my homepage (linked to at the top of the doc, in the blockquote). 20:58
jnthn tadzik: Clue: replacing return Foo::Request.new; with return GLOBAL::Foo::Request.new; makes it go away.
tadzik hmmm
jnthn tadzik: Meh, that just means your metro isn't burried far enough underground :P
tadzik: Anyway, now I understand why it's getting it wrong, I should be able to figure out a fix. 20:59
20:59 thou_ joined
japhb jnthn, that's just begging for a "series of tubes" joke ... which I would of course *never* stoop to ... 21:00
tadzik jnthn: nah, it's just my provider who guarantees 3g or even 4g in the metro
\o/
PerlJam japhb: now you've made #perl go down the tubes
er, #perl6
japhb *ouch* 21:01
jnthn tadzik: Anyway, the issue is essentially that 21:03
module Foo::Bar;
use Foo;
21:03 thou left, uvtc left
jnthn Here, the first line creates a package Foo, and then installs a Bar in its .WHO 21:03
Then the "use Foo" actually brings in a class Foo
The global merger actually gets it right - we end up with Bar inside of the class Foo's .WHO, and GLOBAL::Foo points to the class. 21:04
tadzik cutw
jnthn The only problem is that we also have a Foo installed in the lexpad by "module Foo::Bar;"
Which doesn't get updated
Anyway, that's why Bailador::Request goes missing. 21:05
tadzik I see
jnthn GLOBAL::Bailador::Request, OTOH, is right there.
Took a little bit to work out...
Now I just gotta figure how to deal with it. 21:06
tadzik glad you've found it
[Coke] jnthn++
21:06 skids left
moritz \o 21:07
phenny moritz: 19:25Z <uvtc> tell moritz irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2012-04-17#i_5457320 -- took info from tadzik's post. Hoping that might be useful to have at perl6/modules.perl6.org.
jnthn hi moritz
moritz: Do we still have issues with pre-compilation of things like MiniDBI, or is it fine these days?
tadzik hello moritz
jnthn I know I fixed one issue in that space.
tadzik oh oh 21:08
jnthn can test it if moritz doesn't have a "broken last I knew"
tadzik dunno about MiniDBI, but eg SVG::Plot segfaults when you use it precompiled
jnthn tadzik: With latest, after I fixed the over-serialization issues? 21:09
21:09 cooper left
moritz it was still broken after that 21:09
haven't tested it today though
jnthn moritz: Which one, SVG::Plot?
moritz both 21:10
jnthn Hm
Lemme see if I can reproduce...
(the bug)
tadzik mmm, sweet cold beer 21:13
jnthn: at least on GPW it was still broken 21:14
Where did dalek go?
jnthn Yeah, reproduced the segfault here 21:15
tadzik cool
fsergot 'night #perl6! 21:17
tadzik o/
21:18 fsergot left 21:19 zpmorgan joined
masak what fsergot said. 21:19
'nyght
japhb o/ 21:20
tadzik bye
bah, uvtc gone
jnthn o/ 21:21
21:22 thou_ left
tadzik phenny: tell uvtc Few things: although there's actually no reason for having the project on github, I'm fine with recommending that :) I'd underline that it's recommended to write docs alongside the code itself, so the doc/ should be probably empty/nonexistent in 99% of the cases. Most people leave version : "*", and that's completely fine. 21:23
phenny tadzik: I'll pass that on when uvtc is around.
tadzik phenny: tell uvtc also, I'd note that the only things that are really necessary are either lib/ or bin/ and a META.info. Every other thing is completely optional. Aside from those it's great, way better than my blog post :) 21:24
phenny tadzik: I'll pass that on when uvtc is around.
21:26 thou joined 21:28 zpmorgan left, ggoebel left, ggoebel joined 21:29 bluescreen10 left 21:31 zpmorgan joined 21:34 fgomez left 21:38 zpmorgan left 21:39 zpmorgan joined 21:46 fgomez joined 21:50 uvtc joined
uvtc hi 21:50
phenny uvtc: 21:23Z <tadzik> tell uvtc Few things: although there's actually no reason for having the project on github, I'm fine with recommending that :) I'd underline that it's recommended to write docs alongside the code itself, so the doc/ should be probably empty/nonexistent in 99% of the cases. Most people leave version : "*", and that's completely fine.
uvtc: 21:24Z <tadzik> tell uvtc also, I'd note that the only things that are really necessary are either lib/ or bin/ and a META.info. Every other thing is completely optional. Aside from those it's great, way better than my blog post :)
uvtc thanks phenny, you're the best. :)
tadzik :) 21:55
21:55 jferrero left
uvtc tadzik, I added something about git/github being recommended. I don't know how one would share Perl 6 modules without github. 21:56
tadzik, if there's a way, it's not included in this basic doc, I suppose.
What license would you recommend module distributors use if they have no other preference? I think it's wise to suggest that authors provide a license file. 21:58
tadzik uvtc: well, you can use any kind of git repo you want, as long as the source-url is correct
uvtc Ah. Ok. So git is required then. Good to know.
tadzik panda just clones whatever source-url points too. It could be gitorious as well, or whatever else 21:59
I expect one day we'll want to support hg too
about license, if you ask me personally I'd recommend MIT, but I think Perl Artistic is the way to go
uvtc Ok, but for now, it's git. Very good.
Ah, I see that Rakudo uses Artistic License 2. 22:00
I'll add advice about that...
tadzik cool 22:01
It's time for me to take a sleep, I think. I'm looking forward to posting your guide tomorrow below the link to the module writing guide :)
good night for today o/
jnthn night, tadzik 22:02
uvtc added note about license. Thanks, tadzik
22:02 nif joined 22:11 jaffa4 left 22:13 spider-mario left, spider-mario joined 22:14 nif left
lichtkind how to say thematically sorted in one word? 22:14
moritz grouped
lichtkind hai moritz 22:15
you surely heard of our undertakings
moritz yes
lichtkind we need a change in the cronjob
moritz I know
lichtkind but just after i renamed the files
moritz but sick daughter takes priority
lichtkind understand
22:16 nif joined 22:17 att left
lichtkind during next week willbe enough 22:17
22:17 spider-mario left, nif left
jnthn ooh, my French Perl Workshop talk got accepted. Now I've gotta go! 22:22
eiro sure: i did it to be sure you'll join us :) 22:23
'night all 22:24
lichtkind good night 22:25
22:25 localhost joined
moritz ok, tablets are up 22:27
22:28 PacoAir left
lichtkind no :) 22:28
moritz yes
just no index.html
lichtkind moritz: what you mean by that?
moritz: thats one of the reasons why i rename currently
uvtc Nice. I see them. 22:29
lichtkind grouped was very good recommenation
moritz++
moritz oh, one thing about the URLs
lichtkind moritz++ and this one for moving
moritz you can link to /io instead of /io.html
uvtc Maybe have index.html redirect to introduction.html 22:30
lichtkind to
i renamed toc to index
its meant to be the entry point
and itintro is a preface which many dont like to read :) 22:31
jnthn sleep & 22:33
lichtkind jnthn: good dreams
22:33 Eddie_Mty left
lichtkind moritz: does the cron no run the python? 22:34
moritz it does
lichtkind moritz: great 22:36
22:36 benabik left
lichtkind uvtc: one of the main reasons i try to go with markdown is that we can convert to anything 22:36
moritz: and does it a cleanup i mean delete old files? 22:37
uvtc lichtkind, Right. Pandoc can convert to lots of other formats.
moritz lichtkind: no
but I can change that if you want
lichtkind moritz: allright one manual sweep tomorrow would be enough
moritz gist.github.com/2409568 that's the update script, now with cleanup 22:40
moritz -> sleep
uvtc phenny, tell tadzik Oh, I had the "name" field in the META.info file wrong --- it's supposed to be a module name, not the project name. Corrected. 22:43
phenny uvtc: I'll pass that on when tadzik is around.
lichtkind moritz: good night 22:44
uvtc: still around? 22:46
uvtc hi
lichtkind github.com/perl6/tablets/tree/master/docs
can you live with that?
i think people can better understand content and better navigate in a dir with these names 22:47
i also updated nov
_nav
uvtc Haha. :) It's, of course, not my project. I just did the translation to pandoc-markdown.
I previously kept the names short, just because they were easier to type and lead to shorter urls. :) 22:48
So, how often does the cron task run that updates tablets.perl6.org? 22:49
lichtkind last time it was 5 min
allright let me rephrase 22:50
do you like the new namings
uvtc Oh, sure, looks nice.
lichtkind and i liked you put the quotes in boxes 22:51
sure colors are not optimal
but thats how i wanted it
uvtc low-contrast :) 22:52
lichtkind yes
uvtc Hm. You said it updated 5 minutes ago, but I still don't see a tablets.perl6.org/index.html . 22:54
lichtkind yes i noticed
and we can ask moritz tomorrow 22:55
uvtc Yup. Ok, o/
22:55 uvtc left
lichtkind good night 22:55
22:56 Chillance left, skids joined 23:00 alester left 23:01 lichtkind left 23:08 thelazydeveloper left 23:12 fgomez left, derrazo joined 23:25 att joined 23:28 fgomez joined 23:31 NamelessTee left 23:32 hugme left, Juerd left 23:34 [Coke] left 23:35 [Coke] joined
[Coke] Can't ssh into feather. 23:35
23:45 benabik joined 23:46 hugme joined, ChanServ sets mode: +v hugme, p6eval joined, ChanServ sets mode: +v p6eval, whiteknight joined 23:50 Juerd joined 23:51 PerlJam joined 23:53 masak joined, Util joined 23:54 pmichaud joined, [Coke]_ joined 23:55 tokuhirom joined

Powered by Cro and the Raku® Programming Language.

Please report any issues / comments / feature requests as an issue on App::Raku::Log.

Thank you!