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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
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thou > ([3, 4, 5] Z 'a')[0] ~~ Pair 05:50
False
? 05:51
flattening, i think i need to remind myself about this... 05:53
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GlitchMr eval: ([3, 4, 5] Z 'a')[0].WHAT 05:55
buubot_backup GlitchMr: ERROR: syntax error at (eval 20) line 1, near "] Z "
GlitchMr perl6: ([3, 4, 5] Z 'a')[0].WHAT
p6eval rakudo 74e183, niecza v19-13-g442e075: ( no output )
GlitchMr perl6: print ([3, 4, 5] Z 'a')[0].WHAT
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: ( no output )
..rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized variable $v of type Parcel in string context in block <anon> at /tmp/2_umBiTVBH:1␤␤»
GlitchMr perl6: print ([3, 4, 5] Z 'a').perl
thou rakudo: say [(3, 4, 5) Z ('a'..*)].perl 05:56
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«([3, 4, 5], "a").list»
..rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«((3, "a"),).list»
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«[3, "a", 4, "b", 5, "c"]␤»
thou rakudo: say ((3 4, 5) Z ('a'..*)).perl 05:57
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 2, near "(3 4, 5) Z"␤»
thou rakudo: say ((3, 4, 5) Z ('a'..*)).perl
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«((3, "a"), (4, "b"), (5, "c")).list␤»
thou rakudo: say ((3, 4, 5) Z ('a'..*))[0] ~~ Pair 05:58
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«False␤»
GlitchMr perl6: say ((3, 4, 5) Z ('a'..*))[0].perl
p6eval rakudo 74e183, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«(3, "a")␤»
thou rakudo: say ((3, 4, 5) Z ('a'..*))[0].WHAT
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«Parcel()␤»
thou where did my Pair go? :-) 05:59
GlitchMr perl6: print ([3, 4, 5] Z 'a'..*) ~~ List
p6eval rakudo 74e183, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«True»
GlitchMr class Parcel is Cool does Positional { }
class List is Iterable does Positional { .. }
It's not this same thing
thou rakudo: say ((3,4,5) Z 'a') ~~ Pair
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«False␤»
thou gah 06:00
GlitchMr perl6: print (1, 2, 3).WHAt
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«No such method 'WHAt' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/e02kIv5Nbz:1␤␤»
..niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method WHAt in type Parcel␤ at /tmp/SvW3UVRaXJ line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3918 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3919 (module-CORE @ 562) ␤ at /hom…
GlitchMr perl6: print (1, 2, 3).WHAT
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: ( no output )
..rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized variable $v of type Parcel in string context in block <anon> at /tmp/c4v6r0M9BQ:1␤␤»
GlitchMr perl6: print [1, 2, 3].WHAT
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized variable $v of type Array in string context in block <anon> at /tmp/kfgKA4svPz:1␤␤»
..niecza v19-13-g442e075: ( no output )
thou IT NEVER WAS THERE
GlitchMr perl6: print [1, 2, 3] ~~ List
p6eval rakudo 74e183, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«True»
GlitchMr [1, 2, 3] is List, but (1, 2, 3) isn't 06:01
If you want array-like object, use Positional
thou Z makes a list of lists, not a list of pairs
erm, list of parcels, rather 06:02
but, yeah, thanks for that advice. unfortunately at the moment i don't have a specific need for this, i was just trying to figure out how it works. 06:03
GlitchMr (a => "b") is Pair, {a => "b"} is Hash, ("a", "b") is Parcel, ["a" => "b"] is Array 06:04
(a => "b") is Pair, {a => "b"} is Hash, ("a", "b") is Parcel, ["a", "b"] is Array 06:05
thou rakudo: my $foo = (1..5 Z 'a'..* Z 'A'..*); say $foo.perl; 06:08
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«((1, "a", "A"), (2, "b", "B"), (3, "c", "C"), (4, "d", "D"), (5, "e", "E")).list.item␤»
thou what does .item do? 06:09
GlitchMr I don't know and I don't see it in documentation. I guess it's documentation error 06:10
thou S04 says "# $c.item produces Seq((1,10),(2,20)) -- coerced to Seq of unresolved Parcels"
GlitchMr I think it's useful with generators to get full list 06:11
perl6: say (gather for ^7 { take 2, 3 }).list.perl 06:12
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«(2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3).list␤»
..rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«((2, 3), (2, 3), (2, 3), (2, 3), (2, 3), (2, 3), (2, 3)).list␤»
GlitchMr I've feeling it's niecza bug
(not like you usally need to get full list with generators) 06:14
thou S02 has quite a bit of stuff about item context, mentions $@a is the same as item @a. perhaps a docs bug: 06:15
rakudo: my @a = 1..5; say (@a).perl; say (item @a).perl; say ($@a).perl;
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Invalid hard reference syntax at line 2, near "@a).perl;"␤»
thou rakudo: my @a = 1..5; say (@a).perl; say (item @a).perl;
p6eval rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«Array.new(1, 2, 3, 4, 5)␤Array.new(1, 2, 3, 4, 5)␤»
thou odd, my rakudo says "[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]" for (item @a).perl 06:17
GlitchMr niecza: my @a = 1..5; say (@a).perl; say (item @a).perl; 06:18
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«[1, 2, 3, 4, 5].list␤[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]␤»
thou perhaps i will stop tinkering with minutiae
(for now :-)) 06:20
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moritz \o 08:53
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tadzik Files=682, Tests=17054, 1775 wallclock secs 10:14
(rakudo on toqast) 10:15
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jnthn tadzik: That's more than I get. I think that must mean a bunch of tests marked #icu are passing again too :) 11:03
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tadzik probly ;) 11:31
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dalek kudo/toqast: 8700bce | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
Fix loop code-gen.
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kudo/toqast: 8c9c94b | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
Largely get Whatever currying to work again.
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jnthn There's another 600. :) 11:35
tadzik hoo 11:36
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tadzik on _your_ machine :) 11:36
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dalek p/toqast: 51fa282 | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp:
Implement defor.
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dalek kudo/toqast: 00efc81 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Grammar.pm:
def_or => defor.
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kudo/toqast: 1051dc7 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
A little more PAST to QAST.
kudo/toqast: d7ecca7 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/ (2 files):
Get package lookup compilation in better shape.
kudo/nom: 23d186c | moritz++ | src/core/IO.pm:
[IO] implement binary slurp

also coerce filename to Str before unboxing. Should avoid the LTA error message reported in RT #114124		 12:29
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dalek ecs/io-refactor: bee1ba3 | moritz++ | S32-setting-library/IO.pod:
fix duplicate type constraints
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ecs/io-refactor: 8db8fd6 | moritz++ | S32-setting-library/IO.pod:
slurp(:createonly)
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dalek ecs: fb68e55 | moritz++ | S (2 files):
[IO] start IO refactoring with an overview over the new design

The rest of S32::IO still reeks of over-engineering		 12:45
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dalek ast: e30db6b | moritz++ | TODO:
[TODO] remove lots of outdated stuff

also add a TODO for testing slurp($filename, :bin)		 12:47
moritz phenny: tell Coleoid I've added an up-to-date item to roast/TODO
phenny moritz: I'll pass that on when Coleoid is around.
dalek kudo/nom: 55cf00a | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog:
[docs/ChangeLog] &spurt, &slurp with :bin
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p/toqast: 30ab35b | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Compiler.nqp:
Set block name.
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dalek kudo/nom: ee86a54 | moritz++ | src/core/IO.pm:
[IO] spurt :new is now :createonly
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cognominal_ I have the following code @res.push: .map: { .key => recurse .value } What I need to do for the {…} to be interpreted as code instead of a hash? 12:59
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tadzik add a ; at the beginning :) 13:04
{ ; foo => bar }
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dalek ast: 9336c1c | moritz++ | TODO:
more TODOs: &spurt
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kudo/toqast: 39bd6cf | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
Fix compilation of indirect method calls.
kudo/toqast: e08c1dd | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/ (3 files):
Fix state, START.
cognominal_ tadzik. thx, sometimes I miss the easy stuff 13:08
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moritz Files=682, Tests=18362, 513 wallclock secs ( 4.78 usr 3.02 sys + 1631.13 cusr 190.84 csys = 1829.77 CPU) # on toqast 13:32
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JimmyZ wow 13:33
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moritz currently warnings are fatal in toqast 13:38
because the warning printer dies
I guess fixing that would enable quite a few more tests to run
jnthn Hm, interesting. 13:40
Example of a test file that exhibits taht?
moritz ./qperl6 -e '+Any; say "alive"'
though if you do want a test file, t/spec/S02-types/hash.t 13:41
use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric contextNo such method 'message' for invocant of type 'Any'
funny, it did print the warning properly, and died afterwards :-)
jnthn Odd. It printed alive here. 13:42
(After the warning.)
Maybe it's one of my local patches.
dalek kudo/toqast: dda694c | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
Fix whatever currying of prefix and postfix ops.
kudo/toqast: cfbb2fc | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
Fix quoted private method calls.
kudo/toqast: ceade33 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/ (2 files):
Start unbusting various phasers a bit.
moritz maybe :-)
no, that wasn't it 13:44
(unless you also have unpushed nqp changes)
jnthn No 13:45
Hm
moritz morepypy.blogspot.de/2012/07/hello-everyone.html # anyone want to write perl 6 on pypy? :-)
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JimmyZ a new big project! 13:48
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dalek c: 0420300 | moritz++ | lib/EnumMap.pod:
start to document EnumMap
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kudo/toqast: 836b1a3 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/ (2 files):
First crack at getting the CATCH and CONTROL stuff updated for QAST. Along the right lines, though when/default not done yet, so not so useful.
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cognominal_ S02 says that List is a role. In rakudo that's a class. Something is wrong on the internet. 14:56
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tadzik :) 15:16
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masak o/, #perl6 15:24
tadzik \o masak
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crab2313 \o 15:28
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jnthn hi masak 15:36
flussence jnthn: take a look at the scrollback ~15h ago, I found something interesting 15:37
jnthn flussence: Yes, I noticed that. It's...weird. :S 15:38
flussence well... at least it's not that 4-line diff alone that broke it 15:40
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diakopter r: say 7.114407 / 0.5355681 16:07
p6eval rakudo ee86a5: OUTPUT«13.28385130␤»
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tadzik rakudo at 18k tests :) 16:18
jnthn tadzik: toqast? 16:19
tadzik yep
jnthn Nice :)
tadzik yeah :) jnthn++, keep up the good work!
jnthn I hope to get given/when and other exceptiony bits fixed later today, which should be another little boost. 16:20
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Tango_Sierra rakudo: say 1 | 2 * 3 | 4 16:47
p6eval rakudo ee86a5: OUTPUT«any(1, 6, 4)␤»
Tango_Sierra perl6: say 1 | 2 * 3 | 4
p6eval rakudo ee86a5, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«any(1, 6, 4)␤»
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Tango_Sierra niecza: say 1 | 2 * 3 | 4 16:48
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«any(1, 6, 4)␤»
mauke perl6: say qq{ {2 * 3}}
p6eval rakudo ee86a5: OUTPUT« 6␤»
..niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT« {2 * 3}␤»
moritz nieczabug, I think
Tango_Sierra niecza: say 1|2 * 3|4 16:49
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«any(1, 6, 4)␤»
moritz Tango_Sierra: spaces don't affect precedence. But you can use parens for grouping
Tango_Sierra I thought I should get 3, 6, 4, 8 or something like that.
mauke perl6: say (1 | 2) * (3 | 4) 16:50
p6eval rakudo ee86a5, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«any(any(3, 4), any(6, 8))␤»
Tango_Sierra Yeah, that 'any' thing is what I see, not the actualy results I expect.
Oh!
Hang on, I'll try it locally.
moritz there's no difference between any(3, 4, 6, 8) and any(any(3, 4), any(6, 8))
Tango_Sierra Doh.
All I noticed whas I was getting that 'any' construct instead of an array-looking result. I didn't pay any attention to the fact that the values inside were exactly what should have been there. Again, I say Doh! 16:51
moritz you can get array-like results in other ways: 16:52
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Tango_Sierra Old hand at perl5, trying to pick up perl6. 16:52
moritz p6: say (1, 2) X* (4, 5)
p6eval rakudo ee86a5, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«4 5 8 10␤»
Tango_Sierra Ah! Now that's more like what I expected.
moritz X just makes the carethesian product 16:53
and X* applies * to the sublists
and that works with other operators too, of course
r: say (1, 2, 3) X+ (10, 20)
p6eval rakudo ee86a5: OUTPUT«11 21 12 22 13 23␤»
moritz r: say (1, 2, 3) X~ (10, 20) # concatenation 16:54
p6eval rakudo ee86a5: OUTPUT«110 120 210 220 310 320␤»
Tango_Sierra A quick question if you don't mind: What is the meaning of $!variable, versus $variable?
moritz r: say (1, 2, 3) X** (2, 3) # power
p6eval rakudo ee86a5: OUTPUT«1 1 4 8 9 27␤»
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moritz Tango_Sierra: $!var is an attribute (ie per-object storage, or field, or however you call it in other languages) 16:54
what you'd write as $self->{var} in p5 16:55
and $var is just a normal variable
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thou masak: why is it $m instead of $^m in: my %commands = map { $^m.name => params($m) }, $game.^methods; 17:18
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moritz thou: $^m declares $m 17:23
thou ah, i did not realize that!
moritz thou: the reason is that it allows you to the form with the twigil in a sub-scope
if you write something like 17:24
map { $^m.name => params({$^m + 2 }) }
then the second $^m would be a parameter to the inner block, not the same as the one in the outer block
thou mmmh 17:25
thank you, moritz++
moritz but in the case you asked about earlier, both ($^m and $m) would work the same
sorear good * #perl6 17:26
moritz good morning sorear 17:27
erm, maybe not quite morning :-) 17:28
huf it's always morning in space. the earth is in space. sorear is on earth, i assume. tada :)
thou it might be good to issue a warning if using { $^m; ...; { $^m }}. I mean, I think that is more likely to be a bug than it is intended behavior
moritz doesn't have data to support or contradict that 17:30
thou unless it's done by some macro
yeah, i don't either
perhaps just my current surprise talking
i would at least say that it seems like bad form, and i'd recommend choosing a different name for clarity :-) 17:31
moritz but usually it's a non-issue, because you only use those placeholder parameters in very small blocks 17:32
thou agreed. just another little bit of syntax i needed to know to understand that code. 17:37
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sergot hi o/ 18:29
moritz \o sergot
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thouwhat moritz++ said. my kvetching made it possible to use $m there after using $^m once. my personal rule is "use $^m once, then $m the rest of the time". then I don't have to walk into the trap of inner blocks causing trouble. 18:44
thou: what*
and trouble is more easily caused than it may look. a refactor may cause it. add an if block, and you're toast. 18:45
moritz which would be an argument for not using $^m in the first place, but -> $m { ... } 18:46
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masak right. $^m should be for small bits of code. preferably with just one use of $^m. 18:49
well, of $^m or $m, I should say. 18:50
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masak rn: class A { method foo { self }; method bar { say "OH HAI" } }; A.new.foo#`[ahahahahah].bar 19:00
p6eval niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Method call found where infix expected (change whitespace?) at /tmp/MO0O5O6dNY line 1:␤------> ay "OH HAI" } }; A.new.foo#`[ahahahahah]⏏.bar␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
..rakudo ee86a5: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/a_QgmAMkhH:1␤»
masak rn: class A { method foo { self }; method bar { say "OH HAI" } }; A.new.foo\#`[ahahahahah].bar
p6eval rakudo ee86a5, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«OH HAI␤»
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adu Hi all 19:39
moritz hi adu
seldon o/ 19:40
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adu_ Maybe it doesn't work so well 19:42
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felher moritz++ #started to document enumMap and mentioning that Hash is mutable :) 20:03
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masak general announcement: defining and using your own exception types is le awesome. 20:33
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[Coke] welcome to java! 20:35
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flussence I used to do that in php. It made things a lot less painful in places :) 20:35
masak [Coke]: I don't understand that objection, if it even is one. just because it is in Java doesn't mean it isn't kinda nice. 20:36
[Coke] ... it's not an objection.
masak and just because it's there in Perl 6 doesn't mean you should use it for everything.
it's nice for my current use case.
sorry for biting back on something that probably wasn't trolling ;) 20:37
moritz but please, "l'awesome"
mauke how about "awesome"?
masak :P
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masak "das awesome". 20:37
[Coke] news.perlfoundation.org/2012/07/201...posal.html 20:38
mauke "les awesomes"
[Coke] rjbs's has a list of nice perl5 suggestsions. It would be nice to see a nice list of perl6 suggestions.
er, rjbs++
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moritz has an idea: "make doc.perl6.org awesome" 20:39
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masak that could likely be made concrete enough, yes. 20:41
does it mean something beyond "give it a nice CSS"?
moritz yes 20:42
1) add the usual navigation links, header, footer etc. 20:43
2) proper layout
3) more intelligent link processing (currently all links are relvative, and class names with a :: break, because the browser thinks the piece in front of it is a link schema/protocol) 20:44
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moritz 4) create pages that lists methods from composed roles and superclasses, recursively 20:44
5) add a search facility
6) more docs, of course 20:45
jnthn +1
moritz ok, now we just need a taker :-)
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dalek p/toqast: cee5640 | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp:
Implement compiling handlers besides CATCH and CONTROL.
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kudo/toqast: 0d56787 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
First pass at updating 'when' for QAST.
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flussence is there anything in parrot I could turn on to spew some extra debug stuff during an nqp build? I really want to figure this one out. 21:00
jnthn flussence: It's not so much extra debug info, but if you can run Parrot with the -G flag on the step that fails, it'll disable GC, which will let us know whether to consider that as a possible issue or not. 21:04
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flussence IT WORKS 21:07
jnthn Hmm. 21:08
And ouch.
But that's a major clue.
flussence rest of build seems to be proceeding without problems so far... (slowly) 21:10
I only added the -G on the NQPCORE.setting command. 21:11
now it fails on the stage2/NQPCORE command :( 21:13
and -G fixes it again 21:14
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rjbs [Coke]: Make one! 21:16
flussence ok, build finished with those two changes 21:20
Coleoid masak: Where does U4X live? use.perl.org is where links point me, but that's static since late 2010, and I guess your journal transcends the static, as it's pure 404... :D 21:21
phenny Coleoid: 12:47Z <moritz> tell Coleoid I've added an up-to-date item to roast/TODO
Coleoid moritz++: Thanks for the Roast TODOs! 21:22
masak Coleoid: I could point you to it, but there's not much there. moritz++' recent effort supersedes u4x. 21:26
lol, I blough! \o/ strangelyconsistent.org/blog/july-1...e-revealed
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Coleoid masak: Will the on_try_exit and on_examine be caught or lost by your event-replay save scheme? 21:28
dalek kudo/toqast: e506623 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/ (2 files):
Update closure clone fixup code-gen.
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masak Coleoid: right now they're lost. I'm currently mulling. 21:30
Coleoid I've wanted to see the nitty-gritty of an event-stream replay/undo in development for a while now. 21:31
I look forward to the outcome of the mullery. 21:32
masak yeah. it's possibly a real issue in the system.
events are made to be serializable, so they can't easily contain code objects. 21:33
Coleoid Ooh.
masak this isn't really a problem in my current system, though. it would be if I ever wanted to save to file. 21:34
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dalek kudo/toqast: 25b9f19 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
Get module compilation/export essentially working again.
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kudo/toqast: cec243e | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm:
Guard against failures like type checking against type variables.
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dalek kudo/toqast: 85cdbc8 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/World.pm:
Eliminate the final mentions of viviself.
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masak 'night, #perl6 22:43
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