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| dalek | c: 02886c1 | raiph++ | lib/glossary.pod: delete extraneous space |
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| c: 7179ca6 | Matthew++ | lib/glossary.pod: Merge pull request #3 from raiph/patch-1 delete extraneous space |
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| raiph | gfldex: the article u linked provides a very complex path in comparison to the trivial thing i did | 00:02 | |
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| raiph | i just went to the repo, picked a file, clicked edit, edited, wrote change comment, clicked save. done. | 00:04 | |
| lue++ gfldex++ | 00:06 | ||
| benabik | github makes these things easy | 00:08 | |
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| gfldex | was toqast merged tonight? | 00:20 | |
| or is my brain running at halve speed? :) | |||
| timotimo | wasn't toqast at 7/11 steps two days ago? | 00:21 | |
| gfldex | it feels like startup speed went up quite a bit | 00:22 | |
| timotimo | on my end, toqast isn't merged into nom yet | ||
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| timotimo | oh, actually it was step 9 of 11 | 00:29 | |
| 6guts.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/the-...ng-nicely/ <- i guess you have already read this | |||
| dalek | ast: 89bfdc5 | (Solomon Foster)++ | S05-interpolation/regex-in-variable.t: Remove extraneous | from a Niecza skip line. |
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| ast: 18f3c2b | (Solomon Foster)++ | packages/Test/Util.pm: Add #OK to silence Niecza warning. |
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| [Coke] | +# 07/21/2012 - rakudo++ (22933); niecza (89.76%); pugs (40.14%) | 01:06 | |
| raiph | benabik: and especially if you don't know git. with the web ui i just used u don't have to know anything other than create an account, go to an url, navigate to the file to change, click edit, edit in an ok editor, write a change comment, click save. | 01:07 | |
| benabik: no need to have a clue about git, version control, forks, pull requests, etc., etc. | 01:08 | ||
| s/ in an ok editor// | 01:09 | ||
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| moritz | \o | 05:44 | |
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| moritz | phenny: tell raiph that he now has direct commit access to perl6/doc on github. Welcome! | 05:52 | |
| phenny | moritz: I'll pass that on when raiph is around. | ||
| adu | \p | 05:58 | |
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| JimmyZ_ | good afternoon | 06:08 | |
| clear | 06:09 | ||
| moritz | good clear afternon, JimmyZ_ | 06:17 | |
| dalek | c/type-graph: 28f5a6c | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | type-graph.txt: First snapshot: human- and computer-parseable map of Perl6's type graph |
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| japhb | *yawn* | 06:19 | |
| Good *, all | |||
| moritz | japhb: my approach would have been to parse the graph out of the .pod files | 06:20 | |
| but yours i probably easier to get started with | 06:25 | ||
| JimmyZ_ | \o | 06:27 | |
| japhb | moritz, I thought about that, but figured A) this method would likely be more complete for a while yet, and B) after I finish cleaning the raw data, the next stage of my plan may require a fair amount of hand-tuning anyway. | 06:31 | |
| I plan to feed the massaged data to graphviz to produce not just an overall visualization of the type graph, but also type-specific ones that show just the relevant parts, so the mini-map images can be inserted into the HTML docs. | 06:33 | ||
| Tene | very nice | 06:34 | |
| japhb | The hand-tuning will come in the form of layout hints, node coloring, etc. to make it more intuitive. | ||
| Tene, Glad to know my idea seems sane to someone *else*. ;-) | 06:35 | ||
| BTW, anyone interested in reviewing/sanity-checking the current snapshot data is most welcome to do so. :-) | 06:37 | ||
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| moritz | at some point we need the data in htmlify | 06:42 | |
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| moritz | so that we can generate HTML files with methods from superclasses and roles | 06:43 | |
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| muixirt | good morning | 06:47 | |
| japhb | moritz, agreed | 06:50 | |
| OK, time for me to trundle off to slumber. | |||
| Night, all. | |||
| moritz | night japhb | ||
| japhb | & | ||
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| dalek | c: 28f5a6c | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | type-graph.txt: First snapshot: human- and computer-parseable map of Perl6's type graph |
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| c: e1eaa4c | moritz++ | / (2 files): add Perl6::TypeGraph, wihch reads type-graph.txt and constructs a -- you have already guessed it -- type graph |
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| GlitchMr | perl6: say AST.new ~~ Mu | 08:50 | |
| p6eval | niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Undeclared name: 'AST' used at line 1Unhandled exception: Check failed at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1402 (die @ 5)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 37)  at /home/p6… | ||
| ..rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«True» | |||
| GlitchMr | Why "AST" doesn't expand anything? | 08:51 | |
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| moritz | what should it expand to? | 08:55 | |
| GlitchMr | I don't know, but it looks that AST is Mu | ||
| But perhaps it's because rakudo | |||
| moritz | well, any type is Mu | 08:56 | |
| GlitchMr | It also seems that AST is Any | ||
| moritz | there#s no contradiction there, since Any ~~ Mu | ||
| s/'#'/'/ | 08:57 | ||
| GlitchMr | perl6: /[]/ | 08:58 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Unrecognized regex metacharacter ] (must be quoted to match literally) at line 2, near "/"» | ||
| ..niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Null pattern not allowed at /tmp/3DR3cs5YlW line 1:------> /[⏏]/Parse failed» | |||
| GlitchMr | std: /[]/ | 08:59 | |
| p6eval | std 3b49ac8: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Null pattern not allowed at /tmp/3nhfgzahuu line 1:------> /[⏏]/ expecting regex atomParse failedFAILED 00:00 41m» | ||
| GlitchMr | I guess that rakudo could have better error message, but whatever | ||
| moritz | known NYI | ||
| masak | lol good morning, #perl6 | 09:01 | |
| well, mid-antenoon. | |||
| moritz | lolitsmasak! | ||
| moritz has waffels with bjørnebær for breakfast | 09:02 | ||
| masak | whoa. | 09:04 | |
| masak bolts to the store to buy björnbär | 09:05 | ||
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| GlitchMr | sub postfix:<¶>($a) { "$a\n" } | 09:11 | |
| I have feeling I abuse mutable Perl 6 grammar | |||
| But I guess it's not as bad as infix:[] thing I've done once | 09:13 | ||
| moritz | masak: visit me, and we'll make waffles together. And I'm sure we'll find some tasty fruits or berries too :-) | 09:22 | |
| and whipped cream, or vanilla ice cream | 09:23 | ||
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| moritz adds free wifi and macro discussions to sweaten the deal | 09:25 | ||
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| moritz is a bit proud of github.com/perl6/doc/commit/e1eaa4...a8243d1f63 -- not much code to nice effect | 09:28 | ||
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| moritz | next step: MRO computation | 09:34 | |
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| sergot | hi o/ | 09:34 | |
| moritz | \o sergot | 09:35 | |
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| jnthn | ohhai o/ | 10:01 | |
| moritz: (MRO) there's an NQP implementation of C3 handy | 10:10 | ||
| moritz: src/Perl6/Metamodel/C3MRO.pm | |||
| moritz | jnthn: yes, I'm looking at that right now | ||
| jnthn | ah :) | ||
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| moritz | r: for [1, 2], [3, 4] -> @a { .say for @a } | 10:27 | |
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| moritz | r: my @b = [1, 2], [3, 4]; for @b -> @a { .say for @a unless @a =:= @b[0] } | 10:30 | |
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| moritz | r: my @b = [1, 2], [3, 4]; for @b -> @a { unless @a =:= @b[0] { .say for @a } } | 10:31 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«1234» | ||
| moritz | hm, that part doesn't work that easily in p6, it seems | ||
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| jnthn | r: my @b = [1, 2], [3, 4]; for @b -> $a { unless $a =:= @b[0] { .say for @$a } } | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«1234» | ||
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| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«34» | ||
| moritz | r: say Str.^mro | 10:48 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«Str() Cool() Any() Mu()» | ||
| moritz | r: say Match.^mro | 10:50 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«Match() Capture() Cool() Any() Mu()» | ||
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| dalek | c: b81241b | moritz++ | / (2 files): port C3 linearization from nqp |
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| moritz | Match seems to be about the only class in core that uses MI | 10:53 | |
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| moritz | so, not many test cases | 10:54 | |
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| dalek | c: 791b30a | moritz++ | lib/Perl6/Type (2 files): move Type to a separate file, re-style it as Perl6::Type |
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| JimmyZ | what does TypeGraph do ? | 11:24 | |
| moritz | JimmyZ: computes method resolution order for classes | 11:25 | |
| JimmyZ: the goal is to create HTML pages for a class which contains method from superclasses and roles | 11:26 | ||
| JimmyZ | got it, that's great | ||
| moritz | it's going be some work :/ | 11:27 | |
| jnthn | moritz++ # working on things that need some work | 11:28 | |
| dalek | p/toqast: f6a5c44 | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Compiler.nqp: Fix a couple of small code-gen bugs. |
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| moritz | windows-- just ejected a CD I was copying from (and I didn't tell it to eject it), and then complained that the device isn't ready for reading | ||
| jnthn | o.O | ||
| fail | |||
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| moritz | oh "good" old windows XP | 11:32 | |
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| moritz | if a windows explorer window dies, the window manager itself dies | 11:32 | |
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| masak | of course. it's "integrated", it's good for you. | 12:16 | |
| jnthn | Of course, who'd want to work with a system where everything was derivative... | 12:17 | |
| benabik | My favorite part was always that the graphics toolkit was part of the kernel, so bad calls could bring down the entire system. | ||
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| dalek | p/toqast: e106957 | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Compiler.nqp: Restore capture_lex on block entry. |
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| jnthn | Seems I now have a QAST-compiled CORE.setting that vaguely works. | ||
| masak | \o/ | 12:25 | |
| masak pulls recent stuffs and rebuilds | |||
| jnthn | Well, you don't get that without a lot of knowing what to do. | ||
| masak | I just want to re-run the spectests. | ||
| I plan to address the failing macros tests now. | |||
| jnthn | Right, but they won't run with the QAST-compiled CORE.setting yet | 12:26 | |
| Which is fine, just saying. :) | |||
| masak | rightright | 12:28 | |
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| masak | aindilis: hi. | 12:29 | |
| oh, that was a re-join. | 12:30 | ||
| jnthn | Spectesting with the QAST-compiled CORE.setting looks fairly good. A few issues. | 12:35 | |
| moritz | $ ack '\bPAST(?!::QAST)' src/QPerl6/|wc -l | 12:36 | |
| 64 | |||
| masak | kudos for even remembering the look-ahead syntax of Perl 5 regexes... | 12:38 | |
| I never do. have to 'perldoc perlre' *every* time. | |||
| jnthn | moritz: Note that the bottom of Actions has a bunch of PAST::Node usages that stay for the time being too. | ||
| (the regex section) | |||
| moritz | masak: negative look-ahead is the only one I remember reliably | 12:39 | |
| oh, and it seems much of that is commented out | 12:40 | ||
| jnthn | wtf, chmod hangs :) | ||
| moritz | $ ack '^[^#]*\bPAST(?!::QAST)' src/QPerl6/|wc -l | ||
| 33 | |||
| jnthn | ah, exception related... | 12:41 | |
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| timotimo | how hard will it be for rakudo to use type information/native types to run "as fast as C"? or how long will i have to wait until thath appens? | 12:46 | |
| masak .oO( mnemonic for negative look-ahead in Perl 5: '?!' is like the end of 'wtf?!', what you'd say if you found the thing there ) | |||
| timotimo: question is so vague as to be almost meaningless. | 12:47 | ||
| timotimo | that's what i feared :| | ||
| masak | timotimo: www.perl.com/pub/2001/06/27/ctoperl.html | ||
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| masak | funnily enough, that article ends by referring to the Perl 6 design. | 12:48 | |
| jnthn | timotimo: It's difficult from many angles. Using native type info to generate better code is possible; we do that to a limited extent already in Rakudo. That's the kind of code that a JIT compiler can actually do quite a bit with, but Parrot has no JIT, so it'd seem being on a VM that has one is a pre-req for starting to get that sorta code faster. Even then I suspect it'd not be "as fast as C". | 12:50 | |
| masak | Occaml people sometimes boast that their code is faster than C because they do so much good type inference. | 12:51 | |
| timotimo | my int @a is dim(1000); - reminds me of basic :) | 12:52 | |
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| timotimo | hm, i suppose i'm spoiled by pypy in this regard, which comes with a pretty impressive jit | 12:53 | |
| JimmyZ | timotimo: Parrot has a plan to get a jit too :) | ||
| timotimo | JimmyZ: do you have a guess how long it'll take until the first bits of jitted code would run properly? | 12:54 | |
| JimmyZ | timotimo: I'm sure It'll take a long time until somebodies continue coding to it | 12:56 | |
| timotimo | :| | 12:57 | |
| is thorough type analysis of perl6 programs feasible? | 13:02 | ||
| i've looked at friends who do coq and agda with a bit of envy. i don't understand much of it, but would i be able to do similar checking of type constraints etc. in perl6? | 13:03 | ||
| i don't even know if what i'm asking makes any sense | 13:05 | ||
| jnthn | Perl 6 is gradually typed, meaning that the compiler will do what it can with the information you give it. It may be able to make extra inferences also. | 13:08 | |
| moritz | but there are certain type errors it can (almost?) never complain about | ||
| like sub f(MyT $x) { $x.mymethod ] | 13:09 | ||
| erm | |||
| like sub f(MyT $x) { $x.mymethod } | |||
| is valid even if MyT doesn't define a 'mymethod' | |||
| timotimo | right, because you could put a subtype in there | ||
| or maybe an instance got a role on it | |||
| moritz | correct | ||
| jnthn | Yeah, method dispatch is very late bound. | 13:10 | |
| moritz | though one might toy with the idea of a pragma that makes that warn at compile time | ||
| timotimo | i'd very much like such a thing | ||
| i'll probably have to spend more time unit testing anyway, but i think it would be a great help | 13:11 | ||
| if my interpreter (or any analysis program) explodes in my face rather than my code exploding in the end user's face, i consider that a win | |||
| moritz | well, Perl 6 is better suited for static analysis than many other dynamic languagues, but it's still a dynamic-ish language | 13:13 | |
| r: sub f(Int $x) { }; my Str $a; f($a) | |||
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===CHECK FAILED:Calling 'f' will never work with argument types (Str) (line 1) Expected: :(Int $x)» | ||
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| masak | r: macro foo { my $x = "OH HAI"; quasi { $x } }; my $result = foo; say $result | 13:31 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«OH HAI» | ||
| masak | jnthn: the above is what fails on the toqast branch currently. | ||
| (hm, we don't have toqast wired up to p6eval yet, do we? is it worth bothering to do that, or is the merge very soon?) | 13:32 | ||
| jnthn | Probably a week or so away. | ||
| masak | might be worth it, then. | ||
| I could do it if moritz++ or someone reminds me where stuff is. | |||
| jnthn | Well, to me that's "soon" :) | ||
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| masak | I meant like tomorrow or something. | 13:32 | |
| jnthn: getting 'Cannot assign a non-Perl 6 value to a Perl 6 container'. assuming that's to $result, because to $x seems harmless. | 13:33 | ||
| r: macro foo { say 'before'; my $x = "OH HAI"; say 'after'; quasi { $x } }; my $result = foo; say $result | |||
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«beforeafterOH HAI» | ||
| masak | er :) | ||
| oh yes, of course. | 13:34 | ||
| 'after' in the test file (t/spec/S06-macros/macros-d1.rakudo) happens long before the tests even run. | |||
| and the tests run up until number 6. | |||
| moritz | masak: on feather1, you need to run 'su - p6eval' to get into the right user account, then set up a directory there that builds rakudo-on-toqast | ||
| (and you need root privs to do that,, which I can give you, if you don't have them already) | 13:35 | ||
| masak | jnthn: since this worked before toqast, I'm assuming the error is to be found in the generated QAST. am I thinking right? | 13:38 | |
| jnthn | masak: That or a mistake in the bits of Actions.pm that related to macro/AST handling. | 13:39 | |
| s/AST/quasi/ | |||
| masak | oh, ok. I'll start looking there, then. | 13:40 | |
| jnthn | masak: There's a thingy in World too that does those lexical fixups | ||
| masak | ah, yes. | ||
| dalek | kudo/toqast: e242a9a | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: Re-implement handling of exceptions thrown inside exception handlers. |
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| jnthn | OK, it seems make spectest now doesn't hang when we build CORE.setting using QAST. So I think it's time to eliminate qperl6. | 13:42 | |
| masak | yay | ||
| moritz | masak: remember --ll-exception | 13:49 | |
| might or might not be useful for you | |||
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| moritz | nqp::isnull(foo) returns 1 | 13:58 | |
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| masak | moritz: thanks for the reminder. | 14:01 | |
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| dalek | kudo/toqast: feda23a | jnthn++ | / (17 files): Fold QPerl6::* back into Perl6::*, thus eliminating qperl6. This means that the perl6 that is now built is using QAST, as is the setting, test run, etc. |
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| jnthn | Now to merge latest nom changes into toqast. :) | 14:06 | |
| moritz | is the branch now far enough that the remaining test failures are due to missing new patches? | 14:07 | |
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| moritz | jnthn: I hope you know about git-rerere | 14:08 | |
| git config --global rerere.enabled 1 | |||
| and then all your merge conflict resolutions will be recorded automatically | |||
| and replayed when you need to do the same merge again | 14:09 | ||
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| moritz | make: *** No rule to make target `src/Perl6/Ops.pm', needed by `blib/Perl6/Ops.pbc'. Stop | 14:11 | |
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| jnthn | Did you re-configure? | 14:12 | |
| Or did I screw it up somehow? | |||
| jnthn is a little surprised it would fail in such a way elsewhere and work for him... | 14:13 | ||
| moritz: Hm, I didn't know about that...though only two files had conflicts. | |||
| moritz | jnthn: you just didn't commit src/Perl6/Ops.pm I guess | ||
| erm, git add I mean | |||
| jnthn | oh... | ||
| moritz | thought the build doesn't care what's under version control | 14:14 | |
| +though | |||
| jnthn | hmm...so why it doesn't show up as missing in my git status :/ | ||
| s/missing/untracked/ | |||
| moritz | so it succeed on your machine | ||
| jnthn | yeah, makes sense. | ||
| moritz | over-eager gitignore maybe? | 14:15 | |
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| jnthn | Hmm, I tossed some stuff from it that seemed redundant/possible, but no help | 14:19 | |
| moritz | the Perl6/* | 14:20 | |
| line looks suspicious to me | |||
| jnthn | Yeah | ||
| I removed that. | |||
| jnthn tests the merge | 14:21 | ||
| Hmm. Just merging latest in gets 274 more tests | 14:27 | ||
| masak learns about the "${home}" syntax in Perl 5 -- again | |||
| that feels so wrong, but I can see the use for it :) | |||
| dalek | Heuristic branch merge: pushed 87 commits to rakudo/toqast by jnthn | 14:28 | |
| moritz | eval: my $ x = 3; $x | ||
| buubot_backup | moritz: 3 | ||
| moritz | eval: my $x = 3; $ x | ||
| buubot_backup | moritz: 3 | ||
| moritz | eval: my $x = 3; "$ x" | ||
| buubot_backup | moritz: 3 | ||
| moritz | eval: my $x = 3; "$ {x}" | ||
| buubot_backup | moritz: 3 | ||
| moritz | eval: my $x = 3; "$ {x }" | 14:29 | |
| buubot_backup | moritz: 3 | ||
| moritz | eval: my $x = 3; "$ { x }" | ||
| buubot_backup | moritz: 3 | ||
| timotimo | eval is perl5? | ||
| buubot_backup | timotimo: ERROR: Search pattern not terminated or ternary operator parsed as search pattern at (eval 20) line 1. | ||
| timotimo | heh. right. | ||
| moritz | timotimo: yes | ||
| jnthn | moritz: Should have the missing file now. | 14:30 | |
| muixirt | eval: say (1+2)/3 | 14:31 | |
| buubot_backup | muixirt: ERROR: Undefined subroutine &main::say called at (eval 20) line 1. | ||
| muixirt | eval: print (1+2)/3 | ||
| buubot_backup | muixirt: 30.333333333333333 | ||
| timotimo | huh. how does that work? | 14:32 | |
| muixirt | eval: (print (1+2))/3 | ||
| buubot_backup | muixirt: 30.333333333333333 | ||
| moritz | timotimo: the 0.3333333333 is the return value of the expression | 14:33 | |
| print returns 1 | |||
| timotimo | oooh, that's amusing | 14:36 | |
| moritz | first test failure in toqast is t/spec/S02-types/native.t | 14:38 | |
| that's much better than before | |||
| jnthn | Yeah | 14:39 | |
| The overall failure list is fairly small by now. | |||
| There's some triage to go yet. | 14:40 | ||
| But it's not a crazy amount. | |||
| masak | (not crazy)++ | ||
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| masak | jnthn: will toqast be 'make install'able later today? I might wait setting p6eval up until then. easier; less changing the build scripts. | 14:50 | |
| jnthn | masak: Should be already. | 14:51 | |
| masak: oh, maybe needs an addition to the Makefile to copy the new Ops.pbc | 14:52 | ||
| I'd be surprised if it needs any more than that. | |||
| masak | yay | 14:55 | |
| this always amused me: | 14:56 | ||
| eval: print 04.5 | |||
| buubot_backup | masak: 451 | ||
| masak | eval: 04.5 | ||
| buubot_backup | masak: 45 | ||
| masak | eval: 044.5 | 14:57 | |
| buubot_backup | masak: 365 | ||
| masak | now *that*'s high-end crazy :) | ||
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| masak | nr: say 0o44.5 | 14:57 | |
| p6eval | niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Two terms in a row at /tmp/o_PpuKJVeg line 1:------> say 0o44⏏.5Parse failed» | ||
| ..rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confusedat /tmp/r5m45JgVSc:1» | 14:58 | ||
| masak | std: 0o44.5 | ||
| p6eval | std 3b49ac8: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confused at /tmp/byXo8hORkm line 1:------> 0o44.⏏5 expecting any of: dotty method or postfix postcircumfix postfix_prefix_meta_operator postopParse failedFAILED 00:00 41m» | ||
| masak | fairy nuff. | ||
| octal literals are only for integers. | |||
| (and that's what happens in the Perl 5 case, too. guess what '.' also means in Perl 5.) | |||
| masak grins | |||
| timotimo | concatenation? | ||
| if anyone ever uses that in production, wow. | 14:59 | ||
| masak | right. | ||
| dalek | kudo/toqast: db138e7 | jnthn++ | src/core/Mu.pm: Fix a proto's signature. |
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| felher | nom: .say for (<a b> Z <1 2>) | 15:19 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«a1b2» | ||
| felher | nom: .say for (<a b> Z <1 2>).tree | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected between 3 and 4 in method new at src/gen/CORE.setting:5022 in method tree at src/gen/CORE.setting:5278 in block <anon> at /tmp/h_PuKBUYXL:1» | ||
| felher | nom: .say for (<a b> Z <1 2>).lol | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«ListIter.new()» | ||
| felher | How do i get 'a' and '1' the first iteration and 'b' and '2' the second iteration? It seems i keep forgetting that :/ | 15:20 | |
| moritz | r: for <a b> Z <1 2> -> $a, $b { say "$a, $b" } | 15:21 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 5b56cf: OUTPUT«a, 1b, 2» | ||
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| felher | moritz: yeah, i know that. But i want them in one variable. So that i can pass them to other functions via |$var, and not via $var1, $var2, $var3, $var4. | 15:28 | |
| dalek | p/toqast: bfbf20a | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/NFA.nqp: Get NFA builder to recognize/handler qastnode. |
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| moritz | r: .say for (<a b> Z <1 2>).tree | 15:29 | |
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| moritz | that looks like a regression in .tree | 15:30 | |
| still no accepted perl 6 talks at YAPC::EU :( | 15:33 | ||
| felher | moritz: okay. I'll wait until that is fixed, than. Thanks :) | 15:34 | |
| Well, maybe i can fix it myself instead of waiting for someone to fix it. But wouldn't have too much faith in that. :) | 15:44 | ||
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| sander_ | hi everybody | 15:46 | |
| felher | o/ | ||
| pmurias | moritz: the accepted list is not yet final? | ||
| pmurias doesn't imply it is | 15:47 | ||
| moritz | pmurias: well, act.yapc.eu/ye2012/news/881 sounds like the accepted list would be final by second-to-last friday | ||
| felher: spectesting a fix now | 15:53 | ||
| sander_ | compiled the recent version of rakudo star. Now I can run scripts only when I pass the absolute path to perl6, otherwise it says "Error while reading from file: Unable to open filehandle from path '$ARG'" | 15:54 | |
| i.e. the absolute path of the script | |||
| even perl6 ./numerize.p6 doesn't work | 15:55 | ||
| moritz | sander_: did you run 'make install' ? | ||
| felher | moritz++ :) | 15:56 | |
| sander_ | yes, but then I moved the install dir to another location and created a symlink from orig. in-memory /tmp location to the new | 15:57 | |
| guess I have to compile anew, right? | |||
| moritz | sander_: you might have to, rakudo and parrot aren't relocatable | 15:58 | |
| but you can give a --prefix= at configure-time | 15:59 | ||
| sander_ | that was my idea too but thought a symlink will do | ||
| felher | moritz: oh, the problem is $flattens, which got introduced earlier this month, right? | ||
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| moritz | felher: no, the problem was that MapIter.new now wants positional arguments, used to be named args | 16:00 | |
| felher | moritz: ah, okay. :) | ||
| moritz | felher: i guess pmichaud++'s last list refactoring changed that | ||
| and that we didn't have enough test coverage to catch the .tree case | |||
| dalek | kudo/nom: d0dc2d3 | moritz++ | src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm: explicitly set encoding on sockets |
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| kudo/nom: e09fbe6 | moritz++ | src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm: Merge remote branch 'remotes/origin/parrot-iocleanup1' into nom |
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| moritz | oops, I didn't mean to push that all | ||
| dalek | kudo/nom: 6db12d6 | moritz++ | src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm: Revert "Merge remote branch 'remotes/origin/parrot-iocleanup1' into nom" This reverts commit e09fbe68707707004d1111dba7b0b6fb9e100541, reversing changes made to 5b56cfcf9286e70b9a77a73369b80ad98ad10786. |
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| moritz | felher: fixed | 16:07 | |
| felher | \o/ moritz: thanks :) | ||
| dalek | ast: eec04b7 | moritz++ | S02-lists/tree.t: test iteration for parcel-of-parcel.tree |
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| felher | moritz: why did you only fix the first two tree methods? The third seems to still use named arguments instead of positionals? | 16:10 | |
| moritz | felher: oh, I didn't spot that | 16:11 | |
| felher | :) | 16:14 | |
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| sander_ | moritz: compiled rakudo star anew (having deleted really everything prior to that) -- error persists | 16:27 | |
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| sander_ | unless I absolutize either the path to perl6 interpreter or to the script to be run I get the following error | 16:36 | |
| Error while reading from file: Unable to open filehandle from path 'numerize.p6' current instr.: 'nqp;HLL;Compiler;_block2002' pc 35779 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:15079) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pm:1438) | |||
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| sander_ | my 'perl6' command was | 16:41 | |
| #!/bin/sh | |||
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| sander_ | cd ~/D/programing/rakudo-star/install/bin | 16:42 | |
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| sander_ | ./perl $@ | 16:42 | |
| masak | './perl6', surely? | ||
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| sander_ | yes, masak, typo | 16:43 | |
| but now I changed the sh script to | |||
| ~/D/programing/rakudo-star/install/bin/perl6 $@ | |||
| and now it works | |||
| so I wonder if my perl6 interpreter, i.e. the very ELF binary, has problems with being started from its location | 16:45 | ||
| moritz | sander_: no | 16:55 | |
| sander_: the problem is that if you 'cd' in the script, then the relative paths to the script stops working | |||
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| dalek | kudo/nom: 3ac8c77 | moritz++ | src/core/List.pm: fix another misuse of MapIter.new, felher++ |
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| felher | :) | 17:04 | |
| moritz | .oO( it would be a fehler to spell felher fehler ) |
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| phenny: de en "fehler"? | |||
| phenny | moritz: "error" (de to en, translate.google.com) | ||
| felher | moritz: indeed :) | 17:19 | |
| masak | FEHL. | ||
| sander_ | moritz: thx, what a noob mistake | 17:23 | |
| n8 or tschüss ... | 17:25 | ||
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| masak | heh, 'n8'. | 17:27 | |
| nr: sub german_for($number) { <null eins zwei drei vier fünf sechs sieben acht neun zehn>[$number] }; say "n", german_for 8 | 17:28 | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7, niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«nacht» | ||
| moritz | except that it's 'zwo' instead of 'zwei' where I come from :-) | 17:31 | |
| masak | I remember. | ||
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| dalek | kudo/toqast: bec9a8e | jnthn++ | tools/build/Makefile.in: Install the new Perl6::Ops PBC. |
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| japhb | moritz, thank you for all the type graph work! | 17:55 | |
| And you should be proud ... you whipped that out pretty darn quickly, and it's still (quite) good code. :-) | |||
| japhb has so far absorbed the parser, and is about to start reading the MRO code | 17:56 | ||
| masak | what "type graph work" is this? it sounds interesting. | 17:57 | |
| japhb | masak, see commits in perl6/doc over the last half day or so. | 18:00 | |
| moritz++ # oops, forgot. ;-) | |||
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| masak | oh, ok. | 18:02 | |
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| moritz | I think the next step is a topo sort | 18:08 | |
| so that traversal of the .pod files can be done in Mu-first order | 18:09 | ||
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| moritz | masak, that's your speciality, no? :-) | 18:10 | |
| masak | 呵呵 | ||
| masak .oO( "ask him over there, he's the one knows how to do it." ) | 18:11 | ||
| jnthn | moritz: If you know the MRO length of all the things you can always cheat and just do them in increasing order of MRO length... :) | 18:12 | |
| iiuc what you're dong, anyway | |||
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| moritz | jnthn: I'm not sure about the MRO for roles | 18:13 | |
| masak | here's how you do a topo sort: DFS down the graph. as you *go back up*, the first time you see every node, emit it. | 18:14 | |
| moritz | so, post-order traversal | ||
| quietfanatic | If you have to do that every time you dispatch, you're gonna get slow code. | 18:15 | |
| tadzik | hello #perl6 | ||
| quietfanatic is jumping into a conversation he knows nothing about again | |||
| jnthn | moritz: roles don't show up in the MRO because we don't visit them during method resolution :) | ||
| moritz | jnthn: yes, but I need to sort them too | 18:16 | |
| jnthn | quietfanatic: Relax, the conversation is about p6doc :) | ||
| quietfanatic | aaah | ||
| moritz | to determine in which order to process the docs | ||
| jnthn | moritz: OK, then just considering MRO won't cut it :) | ||
| hi tadzik | |||
| quietfanatic | Okay. Generally you don't have to process docs as part of a function dispatch mechanism :) | ||
| masak | tadzik! \o/ | 18:17 | |
| moritz | I need to handle the 'Any' default somehow | 18:18 | |
| dalek | c: 008d651 | moritz++ | / (2 files): add Any as default superclass |
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| jnthn | toqast: say "no, not toast" | 18:45 | |
| masak | hm. | 18:46 | |
| oh! | |||
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| jnthn | toqast: say "no, not toast" | 18:47 | |
| flussence | toqast: pizza? | ||
| masak | sigh :) | 18:48 | |
| I'm new at this, apparently. | |||
| moritz: halp! | |||
| sorear | good * #perl6 | 18:53 | |
| masak | r: say "this still works, I hope." | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«this still works, I hope.» | ||
| masak | phew. | ||
| sorear! \o/ | |||
| jnthn | o/ sorear | ||
| dalek | albot: ff944c6 | masak++ | sync.pl: updated sync.pl with toqast |
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| moritz | sorear: a 'git pull' would have been enough :-) | 18:56 | |
| toqast: say 1 | |||
| r: say 1 | |||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«1» | 18:57 | |
| masak | moritz: I think I did everything by the book. feel free to review it if you have time. | ||
| moritz | masak: why did you change rakudo's safe mode from RESTRICTED back to SAFE? | 18:58 | |
| masak | I did no such thing. | ||
| moritz | oh | ||
| I might have read the diff wrong | |||
| masak | no, github.com/perl6/evalbot/commit/e1...9851d4634f does look worrying. | 18:59 | |
| moritz | masak: looks like you accidentally reverted some older commits :( | ||
| masak | here's what I did. I made a commit as p6eval, realized I was the wrong user, copied things over to my own home directory on feather, and committed there. | 19:00 | |
| seems so, yes. | |||
| moritz | oh yes | ||
| masak | I'll straighten things out immediately. | ||
| moritz | copying stuff is how you get an old state into your sources | ||
| masak | right. | ||
| dalek | albot: c03db41 | masak++ | / (2 files): Revert "added 'toqast' target" This reverts commit e1d7f6613e61c47e3691d1b058ee609851d4634f. |
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| masak | r: say "OH HAI" | 19:04 | |
| moritz | the first execution always takes ages | 19:05 | |
| I have no idea why | |||
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| masak .oO( the bot is cold and needs to warm up ) | 19:05 | ||
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| cat: /home/p6eval/toqast-inst/rakudo-revision: No such file or directory | |||
| masak | there was when I checked. hm. | 19:06 | |
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| masak | $ toqast-inst/bin/perl6 -e 'say "OH HAI"' | 19:06 | |
| OH HAI | |||
| wrong CWD? | 19:07 | ||
| moritz | that's feather 1 | ||
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| masak | "that's feather 1"? are there more feathers I should have been aware of when making this addition? :/ | 19:08 | |
| moritz | masak: that's what sync.pl is about | ||
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| moritz | masak: there are three virtual maschines on the same physical host | 19:08 | |
| masak | ah. | 19:09 | |
| moritz | masak: the feather you usually log in to is feather1. It's where we build the compilers for p6eval | ||
| and p6eval runs on feather3 | |||
| masak | I see. | ||
| moritz | so sync.pl rsync's stuff over | ||
| r: say 'OH HAI' | |||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«OH HAI» | ||
| masak | I didn't run sync.pl | ||
| moritz | t: say 'me too' | ||
| p6eval | toqast bec9a8: OUTPUT«./toqast-inst/bin/perl6: error while loading shared libraries: libparrot.so.4.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory» | ||
| masak | clearly something is building, though. | ||
| moritz | masak: which parrot does toqast-inst use? | ||
| I ran it | |||
| and build.pl runs it | 19:10 | ||
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| masak | moritz: same parrot as nom uses. | 19:11 | |
| I didn't change it in any way. | |||
| moritz | masak: so --with-parrot and separate --prefix did work in the end? | ||
| masak | no, I added a 'cp -r' to the end of rebuild-toqast.pl | 19:13 | |
| jnthn | Uhm. How has Buf.setbuf ever worked? | ||
| *subbuf | |||
| It creates a new byte buffer with a string in instead of a byte buffer. | |||
| moritz | masak: parrot isn't relocatable | 19:14 | |
| jnthn | Oh...maybe because QAST knows to box to a Perl 6 Str, not a Parrot String, and Parrot String implements elements... | ||
| masak | moritz: the toqast/bin/perl6 executable works from the ~ dir of p6eval. | 19:15 | |
| moritz | masak: that's all fine, but it doesn't work when rsync'ed over to feather3 | ||
| jnthn: it just needs a conversion from parrot binary String to ByteBuffer | 19:16 | ||
| jnthn: like infix:<~>(Buf, Buf) does it | |||
| jnthn: want me to patch it? | 19:17 | ||
| jnthn | moritz: Trying a patch now. | ||
| moritz: Was mostly wondering how on earth we got away with it more than how to patch it :) | |||
| masak | moritz: I take your word for it. so clearly I did something wrong in setting up all this. I am at a loss how to fix it, unfortunately. | ||
| moritz | masak: compile another parrot for toqast-inst{1,2}/ | 19:18 | |
| masak | how? | 19:21 | |
| jnthn | For anybody wanting to help with toqast: I know why repeat.t is busted and know the three leftover S05 fails are all the same root cause. Analysis/golfing/fixes for any of the other remaining failures is most welcome. | ||
| moritz | masak: git clone parrot; perl Configure --prefix=$prefix --optimize && make install | 19:22 | |
| masak | ah, as part of rebuild-toqast.pl? | 19:23 | |
| moritz | yes | ||
| masak does it | |||
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| moritz | (not the git cloning, just the git pulling, if ncessary) | 19:23 | |
| masak | ok. | 19:25 | |
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| UncleFester6 | r: our @a; say @a.perl; our %h; say %h.perl | 19:26 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«AnyAny» | ||
| UncleFester6 | r: our @a =() | 19:27 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«No such method 'STORE' for invocant of type 'Any' in block <anon> at /tmp/LpfyDUlKRB:1» | ||
| moritz | UncleFester6: known problem :( | ||
| UncleFester6 | r: our %h = () | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«No such method 'STORE' for invocant of type 'Any' in block <anon> at /tmp/GAorSSASi2:1» | ||
| UncleFester6 | moritz: this is the basis, I think of RT 102876 - if there is another relevant ticket maybe they should be merged | 19:28 | |
| dalek | albot: 974082c | masak++ | build-scripts/rebuild-toqast.pl: instructions to rebuild parrot for toqast |
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| moritz | you only need to restart evalbot for actual code changes to the bot | 19:28 | |
| masak | I need to focus on crypt now, unfortunately. | ||
| ok. | 19:29 | ||
| moritz | t: say 1 | ||
| p6eval | toqast bec9a8: OUTPUT«./toqast-inst/bin/perl6: error while loading shared libraries: libparrot.so.4.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory» | ||
| dalek | albot: 9906490 | moritz++ | build-scripts/rebuild-toqast.pl: [toqast rebuild] list form of system() does not interpret shell meta chars |
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| Null PMC access in find_method('operations') | |||
| UncleFester6 | moritz: the other ticket is 100560 and neither of the tickets note that 'our @a; say @a.perl' gives any which seems useful to mention. | 19:47 | |
| jnthn | The Rakudo toqast branch also needs the toqast branch of NQP | ||
| moritz | jnthn: I know. evalbot needs to know too :/ | 19:48 | |
| UncleFester6: yes, seems useful to add | 19:50 | ||
| UncleFester6 | r: our @a; my $x = shift @a; | 19:54 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'shift'; none of these signatures match::(@a) in block <anon> at /tmp/KwEJ4wnr8k:1» | ||
| UncleFester6 | r: my @a; my $x = shift @a; | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: ( no output ) | ||
| UncleFester6 | r: our @a; @a[3] = 12; | 19:55 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: ( no output ) | ||
| UncleFester6 | that's ok ... | ||
| based on that last example with shift I propose merging 100560 and 102876 and adding the shift example ... I don't think I can do it ... | 19:57 | ||
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| moritz | masak: oh | 19:59 | |
| masak: the problem might be the cp -r instead of changing the symlink | 20:00 | ||
| masak | :/ | 20:01 | |
| well, I never got --prefix to work. | |||
| no idea why. | |||
| moritz | because the bird's prefix was at odds with the one you gave to Configure.pl | 20:02 | |
| masak | hm. | ||
| moritz | how about we screw this complicated setup, and do a simple compile without a custom prefix, and rsync it all over? | 20:03 | |
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| moritz | the two-install-dirs-setup was from the times where we built the cmopiler on the same machine as we ran evalbot | 20:04 | |
| now rsync does the snapshotting for us | |||
| masak | sounds fine to me. | 20:06 | |
| sorry for messing it up in the first place. | |||
| it looked easy, but it was complicated. | |||
| moritz | no problem | ||
| that's true for a lot of problems :-) | |||
| masak | :) | 20:07 | |
| dalek | albot: 978c680 | moritz++ | / (2 files): simplfy toqast rebuild |
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| albot: 92190fc | moritz++ | build-scripts/rebuild-toqast.pl: [toqast] fix thinko |
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| albot: 1ebd56b | moritz++ | / (2 files): more thinkos |
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| UncleFester6 | r: our (@a) | 20:35 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Mu in string context in any <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:104use of uninitialized value of type Mu in string context in any <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:104===SORRY!===error:imcc:Multiple declarations of lexical '@a' i… | ||
| UncleFester6 | known bug but golf | ||
| jnthn | UncleFester6++ | 20:37 | |
| Add to ticket; once I get toqast landed I'll make a pass over this our scoping stuff | 20:38 | ||
| moritz | t: say 3 | ||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«3» | ||
| moritz | toqast: say 'loliamhere' | ||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«loliamhere» | ||
| jnthn | r: sub foo(Int $a) { CATCH { say "oops" } }; foo(~"lol") | 20:39 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«oopsNominal type check failed for parameter '$a'; expected Int but got Str instead in sub foo at /tmp/z7VxGgBXGV:1 in block <anon> at /tmp/z7VxGgBXGV:1» | ||
| jnthn | t: sub foo(Int $a) { CATCH { say "oops" } }; foo(~"lol") | ||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '$a'; expected Int but got Str instead» | ||
| jnthn | Well, that's one thing fixed in toqast :) | ||
| tadzik | \o/ | 20:40 | |
| jnthn | masak++, moritz++ for setting this up. It'll be useful in the coming days as spectests and module space are triaged. :) | 20:41 | |
| masak | moritz++ \o/ | ||
| t: macro foo { my $a = "it's us, the space puppies!"; quasi { $a } }; my $result = foo; say $result | |||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«Cannot assign a non-Perl 6 value to a Perl 6 container» | ||
| masak | jnthn: there, that's what I wanted to show :P | 20:42 | |
| jnthn | t: macro foo { my $a = "it's us, the space puppies!"; quasi { $a} }; say foo.WHAT | ||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«Can only use get_what on a SixModelObject» | ||
| jnthn | Well, there's another clue. :) | ||
| t: macro foo { my $a = "it's us, the space puppies!"; quasi { $a} }; say DUMP(foo) | |||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«(null)» | ||
| jnthn | t: say (quasi { 1 }).WHAT | 20:43 | |
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«AST()» | ||
| jnthn | Hm, not so obvious then :) | ||
| t: macro foo { my $a = "it's us, the space puppies!"; quasi { $a} }; say nqp::isnull(foo) | 20:44 | ||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'Integer'» | ||
| jnthn | t: macro foo { my $a = "it's us, the space puppies!"; quasi { $a} }; say nqp::p6box_i(nqp::isnull(foo)) | ||
| p6eval | toqast : OUTPUT«1» | ||
| masak | something goes wrong in the macro application? | ||
| jnthn | Guessing so | 20:45 | |
| masak | then I'll know where to look. | 20:47 | |
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| tadzik | eww, no Perl 6 talks on the YAPC? | 21:00 | |
| lue | hello world o/ | 21:10 | |
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| jnthn | tadzik: I've not had mine accepted or rejected yet. | 21:12 | |
| tadzik | hello lue! | 21:13 | |
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| UncleFester6 | r: our $a = 12; { our $a =2;}; say $a | 21:48 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«2» | ||
| masak | aye. | ||
| UncleFester6 | looking at RT 111284 and wondering if this isn't redeclaration | ||
| masak | it's never redeclaration if it's in another scope. | ||
| tadzik | suddenly, I have a feeling that I should stop using any sort of real name and real connection on the internet | 21:49 | |
| UncleFester6 | but it kept the value from the inner scope after that scope is gone. Was it really declared in a different scope? | ||
| masak | tadzik: why? | 21:50 | |
| tadzik | I mean, LinkedIn guesses people you may know, from, I don't know, your company, your gmail contacts, their gmail contacts, facepalm, whatever | ||
| masak | UncleFester6: before we go any further, do you know what 'our' variables are? | ||
| tadzik | and it's quite well at figuring out people | ||
| to the point that it just listed one of the bartenders I know in "People you may know" | |||
| How on earth does it know that | |||
| makes me want to crawl under my bed and change my name and face | 21:51 | ||
| masak | tadzik: people will buy your privacy by the kilo whether you're selling it or not. welcome to the 21st century. | ||
| UncleFester6 | masak: my knowledge is based on perl5 but if you still think I am heading in the wrong direction I will take your word for it for now | ||
| masak | UncleFester6: I didn't mean to discourage you, just to gauge your knowledge. | ||
| UncleFester6: basically, 'our' = 'my' + storage in package scope. | 21:52 | ||
| if that makes any sense. | |||
| UncleFester6 | in my example weren't both our declarations in the same package scope? | 21:53 | |
| masak | yes, correct. | ||
| that's why it overwrote the 12. | |||
| UncleFester6 | overwrite is fine. allowing the redeclaration is what I found confusing ... | ||
| r: our $a; our $a | 21:54 | ||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Redeclaration of symbol $aat /tmp/riUERDeBje:1» | ||
| UncleFester6 | Interesting in perl5 even with strict 'our $a; our $a' is allowed. | 21:57 | |
| warnings catches it though | 21:58 | ||
| lue | std: our $a; our $a; | 22:00 | |
| p6eval | std 3b49ac8: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 41m» | ||
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| benabik | r: our $a; our $a | 22:01 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Redeclaration of symbol $aat /tmp/KyPq1bELiX:1» | ||
| UncleFester6 | perl5 with strict + warnings complains about my original example | ||
| lue | hm. Seems there's a bug in rakudo. | ||
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| gfldex | i'm toying around with my own implementation for search in doc | 22:11 | |
| i'm making great progress: Firefox had a problem and crashed. We'll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts. | |||
| lue | r: class A { state $b; }; | 22:12 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)» | ||
| lue | should I file in RT or in Github issues? | 22:13 | |
| benabik | rakudo does bugs in RT | ||
| Yeah, Rakudo doesn't even have gh issues enabled. | |||
| masak | lue: nice! | ||
| lue: are you submitting it, or shall I? | |||
| lue | thought so (there was talk of moving a while ago, so I wasn't sure). | ||
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| lue | masak: you could if you want, it's been a while since I've used RT :) | 22:13 | |
| masak | oh, you're submitting it. good. | ||
| oh, ok. | 22:14 | ||
| I'll do it, then. | |||
| benabik | lue: There's been resistance to upgrading RT, much less moving somewhere else. | ||
| lue | .oO(who am I to deprive masakbot of his life's purpose?) |
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| masak | benabik: I believe that was me, yes :) | ||
| lue | benabik: yeah, I remember that part of the discussion too :) | ||
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| lue | masak: actually, that "hm. seems there's a bug" line was for mishandling our $a; our $a; above :) [ unless it's std that's wrong here ] | 22:19 | |
| masak | lue: I don't know. for once I agree with Rakudo. | 22:22 | |
| r: my $a; my $a | |||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Redeclaration of symbol $aat /tmp/BFy2EKcS3p:1» | ||
| benabik | n: our $a; our $a | ||
| p6eval | niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties: Useless redeclaration of variable $a (see line 1) at /tmp/bQjhMFTpYD line 1 (EOF):------> our $a; our $a⏏<EOL>» | ||
| masak | though the spec says that that should be OK, IIRC. | ||
| lue | std: my $a; my $a; | ||
| p6eval | std 3b49ac8: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties: Useless redeclaration of variable $a (see line 1) at /tmp/eE2NODalG8 line 1:------> my $a; my $a⏏;ok 00:00 41m» | ||
| lue | std: our $a; our $a; | ||
| p6eval | std 3b49ac8: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 41m» | ||
| lue | I personally can't see the reason for allowing redeclaration of our variables (unless there's some package-scoping-related scenario I'm not thinking of) | 22:23 | |
| masak | lol, I blogged! \o/ strangelyconsistent.org/blog/july-2...hanoi-game | ||
| UncleFester6 | lue: I still think that there should be consistency with below | 22:26 | |
| r:our $a = 12; { our $a =2;}; say $a | |||
| r: our $a = 12; { our $a =2;}; say $a | |||
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«2» | ||
| masak | there *is* consistency. | ||
| lue | masak++ good post | ||
| masak | r: my $a = 12; { my $a = 2 }; say $a | 22:27 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«12» | ||
| masak | neither the 'my' or the 'our' variant is a redeclaration. | ||
| UncleFester6 | in perl5 with strict and warnings my example is identified as a redeclaration just like 'our $a; our $a' | 22:28 | |
| lue | our $a; our $a; still seems... interesting (unless, again, there's a good reason for allowing this but not my $a; my $a; ) | 22:29 | |
| masak | UncleFester6: well, Perl 5 has slightly different semantics for 'our'. | ||
| eval: { our $a = 12 }; $a | |||
| buubot_backup | masak: 12 | ||
| masak | r: { our $a = 12 }; say $a | 22:30 | |
| p6eval | rakudo 3ac8c7: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Variable $a is not declaredat /tmp/48NluKkbrV:1» | ||
| UncleFester6 | have to go for now sorry ... | ||
| masak | o/ | 22:34 | |
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| lue | I'm very interested in taking Adventure::Engine for a spin after July :) | 22:46 | |
| masak | \o/ | ||
| lue wonders how hard it would be to implement a "hamster wheel" room... | 22:47 | ||
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| tadzik | Files=683, Tests=24822, 1332 wallclock secs | 22:55 | |
| that's qast | |||
| if panda runs, I'm trying emmentaler | 22:56 | ||
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| tadzik | yep, panda runs | 23:00 | |
| masak | \o/ | 23:01 | |
| tadzik | I have a feeling it's slightly faster, but there's a high chance that it's just my imagination :) | ||
| masak | no, it's slightly faster. the Q in QAST is more aerodynamic than the P in PAST. | 23:02 | |
| tadzik | true | ||
| timotimo | the little wiggly thing on the Q is actually what the QAST uses to move forwards | ||
| tadzik | and it has a spoiler, which makes it look faster too | ||
| oh, that can't be it | |||
| timotimo | no? not like bacteria? | ||
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| tadzik | that'd be a snail-type movement then, no? | 23:03 | |
| doesn't fit :) | |||
| masak | I voted for using a D, which has great lift power, too. but people thought that idea was really DAST. | ||
| timotimo: flagellae. | |||
| phenny: "flagellum"? | |||
| phenny | masak: "flagellum" (en to en, translate.google.com) | 23:04 | |
| tadzik | phenny: "dast"? | ||
| phenny | tadzik: "dast" (de to en, translate.google.com) | ||
| tadzik | phenny: en pl "dast"? | ||
| phenny | tadzik: "Dast" (en to pl, translate.google.com) | ||
| masak | hm, plural appears to be "flagella". | ||
| timotimo | masak: thanks, i just looked it up on wikipedia, too :) | ||
| masak | Intelligent-Design people love flagella. or did a few years ago, at least. | ||
| timotimo | they did? | 23:05 | |
| didn't notice any of that | |||
| don't really know if i should give them any more of my time ... | |||
| masak | probably not. | ||
| well, unless you happen to like being frustrated. | 23:06 | ||
| timotimo | sure it can be amusing every once in a while, when they come up with crocoducks or claim monkeys still existing disproves evolution, but then you notice that those people are quite a big and powerful (or at least very vocal) group in 'merica and then you just get sad | ||
| sorear | masak: "whip" (classical latin to en, sorear) | ||
| tadzik | this is when "catholic poland" suddenly feels *so* sane... | ||
| lue | wasn't their argument that it (flagella) couldn't have come in a simpler, earlier form, ∴ !evolution? | 23:07 | |
| timotimo | it seems many arguments they make are quite a lot like that, yeah | ||
| sorear | basically, eys | ||
| tadzik | this is also when I'm close to coming up with arguments which make people hate me, so I guess I'd just shut up for a while :) | ||
| sorear | and it's unfalsifiable since flagella don't leave fossils! | 23:08 | |
| sorear hugs tadzik | |||
| lue | (but then a scientist came along and proved its earlier form was as a stinger of sorts. It was part of a court case, at least what I'm thinking of) | ||
| tadzik | sorear: thanks, I feel better | ||
| jnthn | tadzik: (panda works) yay! | 23:09 | |
| tadzik: Will be happy to see how the cheese holds up. | 23:10 | ||
| tadzik | yeah, the smoketests seem to be going along nicely so far | ||
| well, NativeCall doesn't work, for one | |||
| timotimo | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella <- this article suggests a former version of the flagellum might have been used to inject toxin into other cells, so you are probably remembering correctly, lue | ||
| and with this, i'm done with intelligent design for today | 23:11 | ||
| jnthn | tadzik: There's still some spectests that fail too; it's entirely possible NativeCall relies on one of them. | ||
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| tadzik | could be | 23:11 | |
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| jnthn | tadzik: Alternatively, it may rely on recent arnsholt++ work not merged from nqp master into toqast, perhaps. | 23:11 | |
| (Didn't check if there is any.) | |||
| lue | (watched a video about it a case with that as a part of it in class long ago) The scientist came to court with a somewhat-taken-apart mousetrap as a tie clip as an analogy | ||
| (I'm done with ID too now) | 23:12 | ||
| benabik | My biggest argument against intelligent design is that most biological design doesn't seem too intelligent. :-D | ||
| tadzik | :P | ||
| I mean, fingers on feet! Gah! | |||
| quietfanatic | Hey, my feetgers are very useful sometimes. | 23:13 | |
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| tadzik | they lift furniture sometimes, but they usually don't | 23:15 | |
| lue | .oO(that whole caffeine isn't good for you thing was a bit of a slip-up :P) |
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| timotimo | everything in the universe is trying to kill us! | 23:18 | |
| masak | 'night, #perl6 | ||
| timotimo | 'night masak :) | ||
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| tadzik | 'night | 23:19 | |
| good knight masak | |||
| 49 modules ok, 57 not ok (106 total) | 23:27 | ||
| Testing took 25 minutes and 36 seconds | |||
| uploaded to tjs.azalayah.net/index.html | 23:28 | ||
| so about 5 regressions | |||
| jnthn | tadzik: Do you know which are the regressions? (more) | 23:30 | |
| I suspect if one is NativeCall, anything that depends on it will also be regressed. | 23:31 | ||
| tadzik: I count 4 modules that say they failed because of a dependency on NativeCall. | 23:32 | ||
| tadzik: Those + native call = 5. That's...surprisingly good if true. | |||
| tadzik | URI also fails | 23:38 | |
| and thus LWP and Bailador | |||
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| tadzik | I need a tool that'll do the diff between two results.json | 23:40 | |
| I'll tackle that tomorrow | 23:41 | ||
| or maybe today | |||
| jnthn | tadzik: Great, thanks. | ||
| tadzik | well, the tea is still warm anyway | ||
| jnthn | tadzik: URI is regex heavy and we have 3 test fails in S05. | ||
| tadzik | the bad part is that I don't think I've saved the old results.json | ||
| I'll rebuild and re-run then | |||
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| jnthn | tadzik: OK. I'm gonna sleep soon; feel free to gist me the failure modes of NativeCall and URI or triage it a bit...it may boil down to one of the failing spectests though. | 23:42 | |
| The majority of things being OK is very good news. | 23:43 | ||
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| timotimo | lue: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wOKuFu217E <- this would be a video about the flagellum and the mousetrap tie clip, from NOVA | 23:47 | |
| jnthn | 'night, #perl6 | 23:54 | |
| tadzik | good knight jnthn | 23:55 | |
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| lichtkind | woot #perl6 | 23:58 | |