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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
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RandalSchwartz well - there's not enough time to do everything I want, sadly 00:03
japhb RandalSchwartz, [Coke]: This is known, though I don't know if it's been rakudobug'ed.
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RandalSchwartz ahh! 00:03
hey japhy
japhb RandalSchwartz, different guy. :-)
RandalSchwartz oh - that's not japhy
nick collision in first four chars!
japhb Anyway, the problem is:
When Rakudo had to revert back from Parrot 4.7 or 4.8 back to 4.4, we discovered that Rakudo's build process
does not properly deal with a rewind of the required Parrot version. 00:04
Best I've seen is: git clean -dxf; rm -rf parrot nqp installl
er, s/l$//;
[Coke] ah. so maybe my comment about that not getting removed was correct. 00:05
japhb After that, the normal build process should work fine.
[Coke], yep, pretty much.
RandalSchwartz japhb - didn't
rm -rf parrot, then that file got deleted by something early in the cycle
so I had to go in and reset hard
then it worked
so something in the "fetch parrot" part of rakudo is breaking that file 00:06
at least for me
japhb Did you do all the stuff I had above? In particular, there was the nuke of the nqp directory as well as the parrot one.
I don't know the details of what is broken, but that pair of commands fixed it in all the places I saw it.
RandalSchwartz I did git clean -dfx and that resets it back to the checkout
unless nqp is in the checkout, then it was gone 00:07
japhb shrugs in the face of illogical reality
You are way more than welcome to investigate the real cause of the fail and fix it. ;-) 00:08
RandalSchwartz yeay! perl6 fires up
[Coke] RandalSchwartz: I would just double check next time that the -xdf really did remove parrot.
RandalSchwartz it did. I saw it say that. :)
oh - but maybe it said that but didn't do it? never seen that before.
[Coke] ugh I'm now at 41% of downloading parrot from my initial attempt to rebuild for you. :)
RandalSchwartz but now I have an updated "live" tag, so I'm happy
you should come over here... lots of bandwidth 00:09
[Coke] I'm in Ballston Spa NY just now. You?
RandalSchwartz a bit aways from that :)
[Coke] next time for sure. :) 00:10
getting 156 KiB/s to github! 00:11
RandalSchwartz woo!
japhb Ugh. Big long error trace from Parrot, looks like possibly GC corruption. I did not feel like golfing GC problems tonight ... :-/ 00:12
diakopter r: X[X]
p6eval rakudo b86628: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Method 'parameterize' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW'␤»
diakopter phenny: tell masak r: X[X] # LTA error imho 00:13
phenny diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
diakopter phenny: tell moritz disect_longname in rakudo should be dissect_longname :) 00:14
phenny diakopter: I'll pass that on when moritz is around.
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diakopter phenny: tell masak same for r: sub foo(X of X) { } 00:16
phenny diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
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diakopter phenny: tell masak vivify fail for scalar; work with @ sigil thoughr: my Array of Associative $a; $a.push({}); 00:24
phenny diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
[Coke] anyone know the rakudo command line to build a parrot amenable to gdb'ing off the top of their head? 00:27
parrot&perl6
diakopter phenny: tell masak hash allowed in array? r: say {} ~~ Positional; my Array of Positional @a; @a.push({}); say @a.perl 00:28
phenny diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
[Coke] (i'm getting function names, but no args or line #s) 00:29
got it. 00:40
bug: reconfiguring rakudo with new parrot build options doesn't force a parrot rebuild. 00:41
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[Coke] phenny: ask TimToady to comment on rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=63778 (marked as a spec ticket) 01:13
phenny [Coke]: I'll pass that on when TimToady is around.
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[Coke] Can someone on openbsd double check rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=85750 ? 01:21
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colomon o/ 01:31
sorear colomon! \o/ 01:35
colomon o\
sorear: how goes it? 01:36
dalek ast: 970a119 | coke++ | S01-perl-5-integration/basic.t:
Add test for RT #77596, fudge for rakudo
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sorear colomon: good 01:42
dalek kudo/nom: e765c99 | coke++ | t/spectest.data:
Run test for RT #77596
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colomon just realized I'm way behind the times. you're back at school now?
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gfldex it is 01:50
nvm
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sorear colomon: no, taking a break from that. I has dayjob now 01:58
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grondilu rn: my @a = ^4; for @a -> $l is rw { @a»++; say $l }; 02:04
p6eval rakudo b86628, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«1␤3␤5␤7␤» 02:05
grondilu rn: for my @a = ^4 -> $l is rw { @a»++; say $l++ }; 02:06
p6eval rakudo b86628, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«1␤3␤5␤7␤»
colomon sorear: ah, hope that is going well. 02:09
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japhb loop-over-run crash golfed! 02:41
See gist.github.com/3925501 and comments 02:42
Rakudobug filed.
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CharellKing Hi everyone 02:57
maybe you are at night
now we are daytime 02:58
sorear hello CharellKing 03:01
we got folks all over
it's evening for me, early morning for jnthn et al 03:02
CharellKing yeah 03:06
you get up so early
which country are you from
Maybe sleep early is good for you 03:09
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raiph phenny, tell masak r: say "@a[]" # Null PMC access. New bug? 03:40
phenny raiph: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
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diakopter rn: say [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 04:51
p6eval rakudo e765c9, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«␤»
diakopter rn: say []{}{}*^[] 04:54
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«0␤»
..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«␤»
cognominal rn: | 1 05:20
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&prefix:<|>' called (line 1)␤»
..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method Capture in type Int␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3287 (prefix:<|> @ 4) ␤ at /tmp/NsEVCEIuwM line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4215 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p…
cognominal rn: sub compare (|args, Num $x, Num $y --> Bool) { ... } 05:26
p6eval niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $x is declared but not used at /tmp/A7d5EszBEj line 1:␤------> sub compare (|args, Num ⏏$x, Num $y --> Bool) { ... }␤ $y is declared but not used at /tmp/A7d5EszBEj line 1:␤------> sub compare (|args, Num …
..rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Cannot put required parameter $x after variadic parameters␤at /tmp/0P6c7R4cU2:1␤»
cognominal rn: my Int \x = 6 ; my \y = 4; sub foo (\x, \y) { x = y; }; foo x, y ; 05:40
p6eval niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Writing to readonly scalar␤ at /tmp/kJpyMqje4a line 1 (foo @ 3) ␤ at /tmp/kJpyMqje4a line 1 (mainline @ 6) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4215 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4216 (module-C…
..rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to a non-container␤ in sub foo at /tmp/veIlpp_CCP:1␤ in block at /tmp/veIlpp_CCP:1␤␤»
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dalek rl6-bench: 91def7b | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | components.json:
Add regex for finding release tags to components.json
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rl6-bench: f6ce8a9 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
Refactor handling of COMPONENTS_DIR and checking whether setup has been done
rl6-bench: 21065ad | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
Add extract-releases command; start filling in build command
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cognominal shoud I file a bug for the erros when typing 'my $a' on the rakudo shell? or has that been already done? 06:33
moritz moritz@jacq:~/p6/rakudo>./perl6 06:34
phenny moritz: 00:14Z <diakopter> tell moritz disect_longname in rakudo should be dissect_longname :)
moritz my $a> my $a
Any()
doesn't look terribly wrong to me
cognominal moritz: gist.github.com/3926154 06:37
moritz that's known and submitted 06:38
cognominal oops 06:39
sorry that was 'my int $a' 06:40
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CharellKing HI 07:36
sorear Hello 07:40
CharellKing you are always here 07:42
Maybe 24 hours
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azawawi hi 07:44
how do I enable history on perl6 rakudo REPL? i.e. like bash shell being able to go back to previous typed commands. 07:45
sorear install readline, then rebuild rakudo from scratch 07:46
need to make sure parrot/ is deleted before rebuilding
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sorear *install readline development files 07:46
azawawi installs packages.debian.org/search?keywords...adline-dev 07:49
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sorear: thx 07:53
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Woodi allo today 07:56
cognominal nr: use Test; my @data = 'a' .. 'z'; my @out = <a e i o u y>; @data ==> grep {/<[aeiouy]>/} ==> is($(*), $(@out), 'basic test for $(*)');
p6eval niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Feed ops NYI␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1443 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3360 (infix:<==>> @ 4) ␤ at /tmp/5vaWsUQADg line 1 (mainline @ 6) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting li…
..rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'is'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu $got, Mu $expected, $desc = { ... })␤␤ in block at /tmp/ZuGOrbgStY:1␤␤»
Woodi CharellKing: there is good chance that there is someone here not being afk each hour in the day :) you know, it's like ICQ but better :) 07:58
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jaffa4 hi 08:06
Woodi backlogging last two days make me think that perl6.org don't contain things we working on or wanting to appear. I mean something like projects or infrastructure parts needed to be improved eg. "we want modules.perl6.org rewrited/merged somewhere else" 08:07
jaffa4 Can someone tell me how to push a new element into array in a hash?
Woodi like: trac.parrot.org/parrot
o/ jaffa4
jaffa4: so you have hashes as array elements ? 08:09
jaffa4 no arrays as values in a hash.
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Woodi rn: my %h; my @a = (a,b,c); %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'}; 08:13
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&a' called (line 1)␤Undefined routine '&b' called (line 1)␤Undefined routine '&c' called (line 1)␤»
..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared routines:␤ 'a' used at line 1␤ 'b' used at line 1␤ 'c' used at line 1␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1437 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6
..li…
Woodi rn: my %h; my @a = <a,b,c>; %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'};
p6eval rakudo e765c9, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«a,b,c d␤»
Woodi something wrong 08:14
jaffa4 well, well
r:y %h; my @a = (a,b,c); %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'}; 08:15
test
Woodi you say r:y 08:16
and ('a','b','c') need to be used 08:17
jaffa4 r: my %h; my @a = 1,2,3 ; %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'}; 08:18
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«1 2 3 d␤»
Woodi or with < and > braces for auto-quote acording to my asymptotical knowledge :)
oo :)
or just with , :)
jaffa4 thank you 08:19
Woodi np 08:20
Woodi deserve coffe :)
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jaffa4 r: my %h; my @a = 1,2,3 ; %h{'a'} = @a; %h{'a'}.push 'd'; say %h{'a'}; 08:23
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/HMPX8U9Jxq:1␤»
jaffa4 r: my %h; my @a = 1,2,3 ; %h{'a'} = @a; %h{'a'}.push( 'd'); say %h{'a'}; 08:24
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«1 2 3 d␤»
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cognominal What is the syntax to reference an non infix opérator to do some introspection? 08:38
GlitchMr cognominal: &prefix:<+>? 08:39
Optionally without `&` if all you want to do is call it 08:40
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masak hi, #Perl6 09:31
phenny masak: 00:13Z <diakopter> tell masak r: X[X] # LTA error imho
masak: 00:16Z <diakopter> tell masak same for r: sub foo(X of X) { }
masak: 00:24Z <diakopter> tell masak vivify fail for scalar; work with @ sigil thoughr: my Array of Associative $a; $a.push({});
masak: 00:28Z <diakopter> tell masak hash allowed in array? r: say {} ~~ Positional; my Array of Positional @a; @a.push({}); say @a.perl
Further messages sent privately
masak r: say "@a[]" 09:32
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in find_method('postcircumfix:<[ ]>')␤ in block at /tmp/lGMvG30Y3D:1␤␤»
masak oh wow.
masak submits rakudobug
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masak r: X[X] 09:37
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Method 'parameterize' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW'␤»
masak submits rakudobug
r: XX 09:38
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&XX' called (line 1)␤»
masak r: X 09:39
p6eval rakudo e765c9: ( no output )
masak std: X[X] 09:42
p6eval std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared name:␤ 'X' used at line 1,1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:00 42m␤»
masak r: sub foo(X of X) { } 09:43
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Method 'parameterize' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW'␤»
masak submits rakudobug
std: sub foo(X of X) { }
p6eval std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤In parameter declaration, typename 'X' must be predeclared (or marked as declarative with :: prefix) at /tmp/npYhuHAAfP line 1:␤------> sub foo(X⏏ of X) { }␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:00 42m␤»
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masak r: my Array of Associative $a; $a.push({}); 09:45
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Type check failed in assignment to '$a'; expected 'Array+{TypedArray}' but got 'Array'␤ in sub infix:<=> at src/gen/CORE.setting:11732␤ in method push at src/gen/CORE.setting:1253␤ in block at /tmp/2SicZ3R81i:1␤␤»
masak r: my Array of Associative @a; @a.push({}); 09:46
p6eval rakudo e765c9: ( no output )
masak if the former worked and the latter didn't, I'd be less surprised.
the latter should declare an array of arrays of associative.
r: say {} ~~ Positional; my Array of Positional @a; @a.push({}); say @a.perl 09:47
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«False␤Array+{TypedArray}.new({})␤»
masak yeah, I don't follow. something feels weird here.
I won't submit rakudobugs on that until someone explains it to me :)
jaffa4 if I use our in a sub, it still get variable not found in another sub. .Is that correct? 09:52
masak? 09:54
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azawawi Found a bug in File::Spec github.com/FROGGS/p6-File-Spec/issues/1 09:57
masak jaffa4: that is correct. 09:58
jaffa4: you have to declare variables, even our variables, in order to be able to use them. 09:59
however...
r: sub foo { our $x = 42 }; sub bar { say our $x }; foo; bar
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«42␤»
masak there *is* some cross-lexpad communication going on.
jaffa4 our declares in global scope
masak yeah, that's where you're wrong.
jaffa4 It should be visible in another subs, should it not?
masak see eval above. 10:00
lumi__ jaffa4: No, it declares a package variable, but the name is only in scope lexically, I think
masak correct.
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jaffa4 that is interesing 10:01
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jaffa4 I see potentials bugs in here for future Perl 6 developers 10:02
masak actually, we had a narrowing in semantics exactly there as part of the switch over to nom.
jaffa4: yeah, one has to think a little differently about 'our' compared to Perl 5, that is true.
personally, I've bought into the reasons for the change. YMMV. 10:03
lumi__ Lexicalize all the things!
masak that's us. 10:04
jaffa4: and yes, the change makes 'our' variables one notch less useful in Perl 6, in the sense that people will end up using them less often. such is life. we have other, nicer features that people can rely on instead. 10:05
jaffa4 Like what? 10:06
masak from my point of view, the main reason to use 'our' in Perl 6 is to make a variable (or sub) visible from outside of a package.
as to what other features to use instead of 'our', I don't have a ready-made answer. :) generally, I'm not so inclined to use 'our' in that way in the first place. 10:07
so all the examples I can think of are artificial.
&
jaffa4 &? 10:08
au (&, as in fading to background) 10:12
azawawi farabi6 can now launch its webserver and the editor is visible in the browser :) 10:27
jnthn azawawi: ooh :) 10:28
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cognominal_ irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2012-10-21#i_6083925 thx GlitchMr, I hae a loosy connexion and there is no way to know if what I type in xhchat will have make it. I answered to myself as I often did but ig got lost. 10:49
one should not type the operator as in the grammar, say infix:sym<,> but infix:<,> 10:50
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dalek p/kill-nqpattr: 8bbf1cb | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P6Regex/ (2 files):
Give P6Regex code objects in standalone mode.

This means that it now no longer depends on BlockMemo, and thus will not use nqpattr either.		 11:24
p/kill-nqpattr: 8d698e3 | jnthn++ | src/stage0/ (9 files):
Update bootstrap.
p/kill-nqpattr: e0d7900 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:
Remove remaining nqpattr calls.
am0c jnthn++ 11:27
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dalek p/kill-nqpattr: 4248b7f | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P5Regex/ (2 files):
Update P5Regex to avoid BlockMemo/nqpattr.
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p/kill-nqpattr: 94ff05c | jnthn++ | src/core/NQPRoutine.pm:
Remove two more (now-unused) nqpattr methods.
p/kill-nqpattr: 903ce78 | jnthn++ | / (3 files):
Eliminate QAST::BlockMemo, now nqpattr is gone.

It was always just a hack to provide for nqpattr, and has no other purpose.
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dalek p/kill-nqpattr: 2957383 | jnthn++ | src/stage0/ (9 files):
Another bootstrap update.

Fully eliminates nqpattr usage and QAST::BlockMemo.		 11:48
p/kill-nqpattr: 68aa467 | jnthn++ | / (3 files):
Eliminate nqpattr cheat implementation.

With this, we're down to just 2 .pir non-generated .pir files in NQP.
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dalek p/kill-nqpattr: d8ff663 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P5Regex/ (2 files):
Copy of copy-pastos; kboga++.
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azawawi what's the expected things for rakudo 2012.10? more performance? more p6 support? 12:36
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jnthn azawawi: The 2012.10 compiler release is already cut, so the Rakudo Star that ships with it will have the things in the ChangeLog for 2012.10. :) But yes, the things you mention plus bug fixes. 12:39
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azawawi looks at the changelog 12:41
jnthn The debugger goes into R* and that has some improvements this month too.
jnthn is working on a blog post about those 12:42
azawawi advocates github.com/azawawi/farabi6 :) 12:45
GlitchMr azawawi: glitchmr.github.com/perl-6-changes-2012W40.html, glitchmr.github.com/perl-6-changes-2012W41.html and glitchmr.github.com/perl-6-changes-2012W42.html 12:46
That would be 2012.10
Everything in those posts was added in 2012.10
azawawi GlitchMr: thx 12:47
GlitchMr bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=55371 12:49
/* if (PHP_VERSION < 6) {
$theValue = get_magic_quotes_gpc() ? stripslashes($theValue) : $theValue;
}*/
WTH?
I through that most of PHP code is bad... but that goes above bad.
[Coke] Where should a test for rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=76946 go? I have a test, but it seems like we need a "weird rakudo regression" spectest file. :) 12:54
ah. integration/weird_errors, I suppose. 12:56
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jnthn [Coke]: There or where the other tests for .= are (I guess in S12-methods somewhere) 13:04
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[Coke] r: gist.github.com/3926907 13:07
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/eNfJQ9VFpO:7␤»
[Coke] Can someone point out what I'm doing wrong there? 13:08
azawawi I have a question about panda... where does it install other shared files... e.g. lib/YourFiles/share 13:10
and what is the ~/.perl6 for? 13:11
jnthn r: say X::Adhoc 13:13
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Could not find symbol '&Adhoc'␤ in method <anon> at src/gen/CORE.setting:9955␤ in at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:2401␤ in any find_method_fallback at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:2389␤ in any find_method at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:925␤ in at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:827␤ in any …
jnthn r: say X::AdHoc
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«X::AdHoc()␤»
jnthn [Coke]: Capitalization.
[Coke] That seems LTA.
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[Coke] jnthn++ 13:16
jnthn STD manages a better error there. I think we have a ticket about getting Rakudo to. 13:17
dalek p/kill-nqpattr: e6b9101 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:
Don't booleanize code objects in Cursor.

Now that $!regexsub is the actual code object, boolifying it doesn't play well with Perl 6 code objects.
p/kill-nqpattr: deb59ee | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P6Regex/Actions.nqp:
Do store the NFA of standalone regexes.

Turns out that the current way we do gen_op in Rakudo needs that. (Yes, this will change soon, but this is the easiest way for now.)
[Coke] jnthn: excellent, I'm trying to close a ticket, I didn't want to opena new one! :) 13:18
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felher rn: say 'ABC' ~~ / :i ^ < a b c abc > $ / 13:25
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«#<failed match>␤»
..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«#<match from(0) to(3) text(ABC) pos([].list) named({}.hash)>␤»
dalek ast: 33c0502 | coke++ | integration/weird-errors.t:
Add test for RT #76946
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jnthn r: "ABC" ~~ / ABC / 13:28
p6eval rakudo e765c9: ( no output )
jnthn r: say "ABC" ~~ / :i abc /
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«｢ABC｣␤␤»
jnthn r: say "ABC" ~~ / :i [ a | abc ] /
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«｢ABC｣␤␤»
jnthn r: say "ABC" ~~ / :i < a abc > /
p6eval rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«#<failed match>␤»
jnthn wtf. The latter is meant to be syntactic sugar for the first.
dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 32 commits to nqp by jnthn 13:29
kudo/nom: d4a9b19 | jnthn++ | / (4 files):
Rakudo updates for nqpattr removal.

Also bumps NQP_REVISION to get the kill-nqpattr merge. gen_op gets a bit messier in this, but the categorically-better branch eliminates the code that needed an update here anyway.		 13:30
felher jnthn: i could imagine this being the same problem as either rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...l?id=76500 or rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...l?id=77410 ? 13:32
dalek kudo/nom: 978492e | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Respect :i in < foo bar > syntax.
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jnthn felher: Wasn't actually the deep problem I already fixed, just needed a tweak to the < foo bar > compilation. 13:34
felher jnthn++ :) 13:35
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dalek ast: 63938fd | jnthn++ | S05-modifier/ignorecase.t:
Add test for :i and quote words.
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[Coke] I don't know if it's peculiar to the perl installation of RT, but the auto-wrapping of emails is painful. as is the unicode mangling. 13:40
I have no desire to switch over to github, but blah.
(I wouldn't mind /being on github/), but switching? no.
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dalek kudo/categorically-better: b866287 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
RT #115356: redeclaring a class as a role
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kudo/categorically-better: e765c99 | coke++ | t/spectest.data:
Run test for RT #77596
kudo/categorically-better: d4a9b19 | jnthn++ | / (4 files):
Rakudo updates for nqpattr removal.

Also bumps NQP_REVISION to get the kill-nqpattr merge. gen_op gets a bit messier in this, but the categorically-better branch eliminates the code that needed an update here anyway.
rakudo/categorically-better: 978492e | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
[Coke] jnthn: you were right, it's already reported as 88748 13:45
jnthn :) 13:47
Time for a break, bbl
masak diakopter: your latest sets of fuzzings makes me feel like Rakudo has more lingering "early warts" (a la 2008) than I thought. 13:48
of course, you're not following the common paths, which is kind of the point. 13:49
but still.
[Coke] is there a way to CATCH a "CHECK FAILED" error? 13:57
jnthn masak: How do you conclude that?
masak: They all look like LTA errors, aside from the "@foo[]" one.
[Coke] (there must be because the REPL doesn't die.)
jnthn masak: And diakopter may well have found that one by reading the comment in Actions.pm that explains this issue and why it's not immediately easy to fix. 13:58
masak jnthn: yes. the "@a[]" one was perhaps the most surprising.
oh!
masak hunts down that comment
# XXX Move to HLL::Actions after NQP gets QAST. 14:00
heh :)
someone could do that now :)
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masak no, I didn't find a comment in Actions.pm regarding why "@a[]" is non-trivial. 14:07
hints welcome.
jnthn huh, it's the only hit for "@ in the file... 14:08
[Coke]: They can be caught like any error if you're eval'ing code
masak jnthn: found it.
jnthn You can't catch them for the current file because it never makes it to runtime. :) 14:09
masak I don't understand the problem. 14:10
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masak if it's "@a", it shouldn't interpolate. if it's "@a[]", it should, and thus the variable needs to exist. 14:10
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jnthn And at the point you're in the action method for @a, you didn't parse the [] yet. 14:18
I think the comment is really saying "at the point we do the check, we don't know what's coming up"
Good starting point for a fix is probably to look at if STD gets it right, and if so how. 14:19
masak clearly you can't do the right thing before you've parsed the []
because you'll only be doing the declaredness check if there is one. 14:20
so you'll have to establish a "conditional promise" or something.
hm, that's an interesting notion. kind of like a phaser.
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masak but you don't need a language construct for that, I think. just closures :) 14:25
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jnthn STD does it with the $*VAR contextual 14:30
See termish
masak aye. I see it. 14:32
seems sensible.
the "conditional promise" is conveyed through the contextual.
jnthn *nod* 14:34
If you feel like hacking on it some time, feel free :)
masak ok :)
jnthn If your Rakudo tuits aren't too tired up with macros ;) 14:35
masak "tired up" is a nice melange of "tired" and "tied up" :P
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jnthn hah...I meant tied :P 14:39
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masak .oO( the 's' and 'm' modifiers are gone. probably the memory of them was too painful... ) 14:40
azawawi old question; how much is std.pm can rakudo run? 14:41
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azawawi old question; how much from std.pm can rakudo run? 14:41
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masak quite a lot. 14:42
maybe... all of it, at this point?
jnthn Not sure
I know that even NQP can manage a good bit of it though 14:43
azawawi Since in Farabi i have to use viv to report errors accurately and use rakudo/niecza as a runtime
jnthn It's kind of a convergence process :)
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azawawi github.com/azawawi/farabi6/commit/...dff1bf64af 16:03
# Run Perl 6 code using Perltio 6 JS
# in Farabi6 :) 16:04
au azawawi: I wonder if one can create a gh-pages branch and move lib/Farabi6/files/* into the root directory :) 16:09
i.e. so it can run as a single-page app in azawawi.github.com/farabi6/
azawawi au: right now im experimenting with a perl 6 backend 16:14
au *nod* 16:16
azawawi panda does not seem to bundle stuff well 16:17
im confused about the .perl6 directory and what it should contain 16:18
if bundle js resources under lib/XYZ/files... where should it be installed? 16:20
s/if/if i/
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moritz r: say 'ß'.uc 16:32
p6eval rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«ß␤»
moritz n: say 'ß'.uc
p6eval niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«ß␤» 16:33
moritz rakudo--
niecza--
p: say 'ß'.uc
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«ß␤»
moritz pugs--
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jnthn prn: say "wir sind alle scheiße in deutsch".uc 16:37
p6eval rakudo 978492, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf, pugs: OUTPUT«WIR SIND ALLE SCHEIßE IN DEUTSCH␤»
jnthn Hm, how on earth do we make that work in the NFA, I wonder...
That'll need some care. 16:38
:)
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moritz jnthn: as [ß|SS] 16:39
jnthn moritz: Yeah, will just have to take special notice of those cases. 16:40
moritz well, actually [ß|SS|Ss|sS|ss]
jnthn o.O
Really? sS too? 16:41
masak scheisSe.
jnthn Das ist es.
jnthn wonders what these things foldcase too 16:42
moritz $ perl -CS -Mutf8 -wE 'say "sS" =~ /ß/i'
1
jnthn: to ss all
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nwc10 $ perl -le 'print "\x{DF}\x{100}" =~ /ss/i' 16:47
1
$ perl -le 'print "\x{DF}\x{100}" =~ /(s)(s)/i'
$
(this IRC client isn't sure how to do Unicode) 16:48
but the character class inversion of \x{DF} is quite fun too.
(case insensitively) 16:49
(conceptually)
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era32 I want to do codegolf.stackexchange.com/question...is-diamond 17:32
Currently I've this: say " "x(9-$_),(1 x$_)**2 for 1..9,(8...1)
Any ideas how can I shorten it?
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jnthn era32: Hm, that's already quite short... :) 17:42
x(9-$_) doesn't need the parens I think 17:43
Still need a space between x and 9, but it can save a char I think
era32 Thanks :-) 17:44
moritz likes the (1 x $_) ** 2 trick 17:45
jnthn I was trying to work out a way to have 0..8 or so so that you can use ^8 there
era32 codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8768/3103 17:46
:-)
diakopter masak: I don't know about that; my perspective hasn't changed. I don't think they're big deals enough to call warts
era32 I find this " " ugly, but whatever 17:47
diakopter maybe moles
era32 In Perl 5, I would do $", but I don't think I can do that in Perl 6 ;-)
diakopter although moles implies more permanent; maybe pimple is better
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moritz you can still write chr(20) instead :-) 17:49
era32 Except that's longer
This is code golf
moritz I know, hence the smiley :-)
era32 20.chr would be shorter, but still too long 17:50
I was thinking about using map, but 1. it would be longer, 2. isn't map lazy? 17:51
moritz it is
era32 Also: codegolf.stackexchange.com/question...-languages 17:52
I find it interesting that the shortest solution looks like: main; 17:53
I'm surprised to see it compiles
jaffa4 IS this a regular experssion error message: Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead?
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era32 But... shouldn't / in context of term a regular expression? 17:54
std: a / b /
p6eval std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'a' used at line 1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:00 42m␤» 17:55
era32 std: print / b /
p6eval std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 42m␤»
jaffa4 std: /^\-p=(.+)$/
p6eval std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized regex metacharacter = (must be quoted to match literally) at /tmp/MOF8j5EIf9 line 1:␤------> /^\-p=⏏(.+)$/␤Unable to parse regex; couldn't find final '/' at /tmp/MOF8j5EIf9 line 1:␤------> /^\-p=[33…
jaffa4 raudo: /^\-p=(.+)$/
r: /^\-p=(.+)$/
p6eval rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead␤at /tmp/MsgRqZ6v6o:1␤»
jnthn Hmm 17:56
era32 what the...
diakopter rn: foo (sub foo { })
era32 Rakudo usually has less detailed error messages...
p6eval rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 0␤ in sub foo at /tmp/8wUGlOvxVJ:1␤ in block at /tmp/8wUGlOvxVJ:1␤␤»
..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: ( no output )
era32 The error is about =, but...
This error message is really wrong
jnthn My guess is that somehow the parser ends up falling out of regex parsing, at which point you get the "huh, I didn't find any term" error. 17:57
era32 I mean, "but found infix 'whatever'" doesn't even normally happen in Rakudo. Usually all I see is "Confused"
felher Shouldn't that work (i.e: just write binary, not encode anything to utf-8): bpaste.net/show/52645/ ?
jnthn era32: It's trying to do better than "Confused" here
jaffa4 not very useful error message 17:58
jnthn jaffa4: It can be.
era32 Rakudo currently doesn't have very good error messages for syntax errors.
Usually Niecza is better at that.
jnthn But it shouldn't have failed to parse the regex in this way here.
era32 But it's first "but found instead" error message I've seen from Rakudo 17:59
r: /=/
p6eval rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized regex metacharacter = (must be quoted to match literally) at line 2, near "/"␤»
jnthn Right, it gets it in this case.
era32 r: /p=/
p6eval rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead␤at /tmp/sK7JYdNG8b:1␤»
era32 ok
jnthn Hmm
era32 > /
Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead 18:00
That would make sense
jnthn Yeah
I'm not sure what's going on
I guess --rxtrace -e "/p=/" may be interesting to study.
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era32 Perhaps it backtracks at =... it backtracks so much that it thinks it's not regular expression 18:01
And because it's not regular expression, it sees / that is infix operator.
And reports error message
jnthn era32: Yes, that's what's happening 18:02
Something is missing to stop it backtracking so far.
jaffa4 What about this: print <<EOF; 18:03
era32 We don't have shell style heredocs anymore 18:04
I think we have q:to today
jaffa4 ok 18:05
era32 Yet, I think that STD.pm6 should have error when it detects something that looks like heredoc
... but that would be difficult as << >> are quotes 18:06
niecza> << a {'a b'}>>.perl
("a", "a", "b").list
r: << a {'a b'}>>.perl.say 18:07
p6eval rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«("a", "\{'a", "b'}")␤»
era32 What could happen here?
Oh, lack of interpolation
jnthn Not implemented those yet.
jnthn has been looking at quoting stuff overall recently and is planning to take on some of it
That and heredocs are two of the things I want to do. 18:08
flussence I can haz q:to? :D
jnthn flussence: Yeah. I wanna get through the categoricals fixes/improvements I'm working on first, though.
flussence of course, I can wait :) 18:09
jaffa4 q:to is not implemented, right? 18:10
flussence n: say q:to<a>␤b␤a␤
p6eval niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«b␤␤»
era32 I would like to have some <<HEREDOC detection in STD.pm6... perhaps detection of ' or " after <<... 18:11
Or some uppercase word character?
flussence for certain values of the junction "implemented", almost everything is...
era32 Perhaps forcing space just after << (qw, but with interpolation) would work 18:12
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era32 « » form of those is preffered anyways. And interpolation in qw[] isn't something you use often... but perhaps that's because of lack of implementation in Rakudo. 18:13
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era32 Perhaps force space unless character after << is $ or @ or % or {? 18:13
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era32 Also, is it just me, or Niecza appears to be more complete Perl 6 implementation? 18:15
compared to Rakudo 18:16
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era32 But perhaps it's just because Rakudo's parser still isn't even close to STD.pm6. 18:17
flussence depends on what your criteria for completeness is. Right now I've got code sitting around that works in neither
era32 When Niecza uses slightly modified version of STD.pm6 18:18
jnthn era32: See www.perl6.org/compilers/features for an overview of features 18:19
era32 All Niecza really lacks for me is socket support
I wonder if calling C# methods directly would work
s/C\#/.NET/ 18:20
raw.github.com/mj41/Perl-6-GD/mast...odData.png 18:21
This says that Rakudo is 83%... but I have feeling that another 17% will take longer time than that 83%...
jnthn era32: The problem is that the things in that list take hugely different amounts of time to implement. 18:22
era32 Implementing heredocs would be 1% further the goal
Yeah. .rand, .pick and .roll sound very easy to implement. 18:23
jnthn Yes, and it would also take a bunch less effort than, say, compact arrays
era32 Similarly, trigonometric functions are even easier.
... but there is a catch
Perl 6 has lots of trig functions! 18:24
jnthn Thankfully, those are already green :)
era32 And is TrigBase implemented in Rakudo or Niecza?
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jnthn Not sure off hand 18:25
era32 Isn't TrigBase required to be green in trigonometric functions?
Perhaps it should be replaced with yellow...
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jnthn Or a separate item, maybe. 18:25
era32 Whatever I do, it will decrease number of percents 18:26
Unless I do nothing about that
sorear good * #perl6
jnthn Well, the features page only captures one angle of things too.
"there's a bug in some corner case" doesn't prevent giving a thing green. Overall it's "what can I expect to basically work" 18:27
sorear rn: say 1, 2 X[+] 10, 20
p6eval rakudo 978492, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«11 21 12 22␤» 18:28
era32 At least this feature page doesn't have nonsense like .chars method.
jnthn gets back to working towards turning one more of the reds into a green
era32 Obviously if you implement string type you should have basic methods like .chars.
jnthn Well, the yak shaving for... :)
moritz hasn't TrigBased been removed?
era32 moritz: perlcabal.org/syn/S32/Numeric.html#..._functions 18:29
It's still in specification
sorear era32: niecza has basic socket support now
era32 :-)
tadzik good evening
era32 Is it good enough to let's say... create IRC bot?
jnthn o/ tadzik 18:30
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tadzik there are irc bots running already 18:30
sorear o/ tadzik
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jnthn tadzik: Some panda question in the backlog 18:31
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era32 gist.github.com/3928017 18:31
I still have no idea what .arg method does in Ruby...
Ruby is so confusing
tadzik jnthn: care to copypaste? I'm on the phone, sorry 18:32
jnthn tadzik: azawawi wanted to know about bundling additional files so that they get installed. Details at irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2012-10-21#i_6084570 18:33
era32 Also... matching /(s)(s)/i sounds impossible... 18:36
This is the problem with characters like ß
tadzik azaw<TAB><TAB> 18:39
:(
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dalek nda: 97572e5 | moritz++ | ext/Test__Mock/lib/Test/Mock.pm:
[Test::Mock] update to new version that does not warn
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benabik era32: From ruby-doc.org: arg, angle, phase = Returns 0 if the value is positive, pi otherwise 19:27
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azawawi tadzik: ping :) TAB TAB 19:53
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masak .oO( he was tabbed in the back! ) 19:55
azawawi masak: :)
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azawawi masak: so im using now IO::Socket::INET in Farabi6... directly to do HTTP requests... i filed a couple of bugs regarding HTTP::Client and LWP::Simple 19:59
masak nice.
azawawi++
azawawi so when is the expected date for rakudo 2012.10 release?
jnthn The Rakudo Star release for a month is typically made in the week following the compiler release. 20:00
So, sometime in the coming week
Not sure who'll make it.
azawawi a quick question. How do i list modules in the Setting? the ones that i cant 'use' before using :) 20:01
i need that for autocomplete and Help POD generation
masak azawawi: check which ones are defined in src/core in Rakudo? 20:03
grondilu rn: .say for <a b> SX[~] <c d>;
p6eval niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«ac␤ad␤bc␤bd␤»
..rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«No such method 'postcircumfix:<( )>' for invocant of type 'List'␤ in at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:852␤ in any at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:836␤ in block at /tmp/CiS1Tm0Jrc:1␤␤»
grondilu NYI I guess
jnthn r: say CORE::.keys.grep(/^\w/) 20:04
p6eval rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«Match Buf GatherIter Numeric Stringy Rational i Backtrace Mu Failure Any Cool Attribute Signature Parameter Code AST MapIter Block CallFrame Range Routine Sub Method tai-utc Submethod Duration Regex Instant Str Int Num DateTime Date Parcel Dateish Iterable Iterator…
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azawawi masak: i dont see any POD in rakudo/src/core 20:07
masak azawawi: no, there's just module files.
I meant "defined" as in "defined in code".
azawawi takes a look at github.com/perl6/doc
dalek p: f8df485 | jnthn++ | src/core/NQPRoutine.pm:
Add some missing methods in NQPRegex.
 20:12
p: 8aa7fe1 | jnthn++ | src/ (4 files):
Handle genericity of NFAs for regexes in roles.

Make it so that if you have a regex that mentions a variable that is a role parameter, then a generic version of the NFA will be saved. As the regex is incoprorated into the concrete role, this generic NFA is turned into a concrete one with the value of the role parameter being substituted in.Thus it participates fully in LTM.
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jnthn That was a mildly fiddly patch to write... :) 20:13
masak :) 20:14
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masak oh wow, I hadn't even *thought* of regexes with role parameters in them. 20:15
jnthn Things you didn't realize STD relied on... ;)
Now I've just gotta deal with these braids... 20:16
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sorear masak: Worse, STD relies on regexes with role parameters participating fully in LTM 20:17
masak oh, right.
I did know that part, actually. 20:18
things having to do with stoppers and stuff are parameterizable.
jnthn sorear: Yeah, that's the bit I just implemented. :)
If we're really lucky, I even got it rightish... 20:19
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azawawi so to use panda and p6doc which are bundled inside rakudo star 2012.09, the PATH variable needs to includes modules/panda/bin and modules/doc/bin, right? 20:20
p6doc is not in rakduo/install/bin. any reason why? 20:22
im asking too many questions, right?
jnthn azawawi: The questions are fine, I just suspect the folks who could answer them are pmichaud or maybe moritz, and they ain't here right now. 20:24
My guess at the answers is "seems so" and "not sure, maybe no good reasons as making people add multiple things to their path seems odd" 20:25
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dalek kudo/categorically-better: 70b4b22 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
Get eval with custom operators to work again.

It stopped working because it relied on global grammar modification before, which won't fly now we're doing mixins.		 20:46
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tadzik azawawi: TAB TAB 20:53
azawawi tadzik: hi
tadzik hellio
so, you have JS in lib/ 20:54
azawawi tadzik: thanks first for panda... great work! :)
tadzik thank you :)
azawawi yeah lib/Farabi6/files
github.com/azawawi/farabi6/tree/ma...abi6/files to be exact 20:55
panda install seems not to put them in ~/.perl6
tadzik yes
I only made panda handle .pm(6) and .pod 20:56
didn't really expect anything else in lib/ :)
it should probably copy over all the things it doesn't recognize
azawawi yup 20:57
tadzik I don't know how it is in Perl 5
azawawi it is basically that or share directory
flussence I dunno about the *right* way to do it, but $dayjob just runs things from the source directory...
azawawi farabi6 is basically a perl6 backend with a js editor frontend 20:58
so i need to find out where it is stored via $?FILE
i know it is installed in src in rakudo though but that is weird 20:59
since i bundled it inside lib/Farabi6 to get namespace protection
dalek p: d3b8c89 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/NFA.nqp:
Fix a thinko.
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kudo/categorically-better: 2ad86ea | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
Remove premature optimization.

Need to always update %?LANG.		 21:05
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dalek kudo/categorically-better: 78cf73f | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/World.pm:
Process categoricals at import time.
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masak 'night, #perl6 21:55
Hor|zon masak: night 21:58
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dalek p: f90a081 | jnthn++ | src/ (3 files):
Fix interaction of action methods and ::(...).

This gets custom circumfixes working again in categorically-better.		 22:08
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jnthn sleep & 22:16
rindolf Hi all.
jnthn: night.
japhb o/ 22:21
rindolf japhb: what's up?
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japhb rindolf, just finishing catching up with IRC, about to hop back into perl6-bench coding 22:24
you?
rindolf japhb: been working on fc-solve.shlomifish.org/ 22:26
japhb rindolf, ah, looks like a fun pastime. :-) 22:28
dalek rl6-bench: a880c85 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | components.json:
Add build steps for rakudo and niecza to components.json. Currently the rakudo build steps are vastly more paranoid than niecza's.
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rl6-bench: fd9e390 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
Continue fleshing out build command
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gaussblurinc hello! what about news of perl6? is there any good news or upcoming events? 22:36
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japhb gaussblurinc, You happen to have stopped by when the most active event-goers amongst us are asleep. 22:38
gaussblurinc, How far back since the last time you looked for news on Perl 6? 22:39
gaussblurinc 2010, may, yapc :\ 22:40
japhb gaussblurinc, Ah, it's been quite a while then! A lot of good implementation work has been going on over the last 2 1/2 years.
Have you tried a recent Rakudo Star release?
gaussblurinc no, find it on github now and starting to download 22:41
japhb Perfect. It's a monthly release, and the stuff it's dependent on has already released for this month, so 2012.10 should be coming in the next week or so. 22:42
gaussblurinc good, what about 'happy birthday' or something? is it really stable release? 22:44
japhb It's an iterative release. In the Perl 6 world, we generally don't have big landmark releases. We just release something better, month after month, for several years now. 22:47
There are bugs; we fix them. There are omissions; we fill them. And so it goes. 22:48
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gaussblurinc thanks for information! 23:00
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