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sorear [Coke]: my @lines := 'wtf.pl'.IO.lines ? 00:08
I think that's specced to be lazy. might not be implemented, also, might interact weirdly with sink context 00:09
to answer your first question, while $data-file.get -> $line { take $line } or while defined my $line = $data-file.get { take $line } 00:10
[Coke] sorear: danke. it seems lazy enough. now to rewrite my stupid script to work lazily. 00:19
I wouldn't have to write more elegant code if rakudo was faster. :)
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sorear my @lines = { $data-file.get } ...^ !*.defined maybe 01:41
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[Coke] I find myself wanting a NOTFIRST phaser. :P 03:23
diakopter [Coke]: I've wanted that for many years 03:27
srsly
[Coke] ended up with FIRST my $first = True; ... $first = False;} 03:28
sorear is that called NEXT?
[Coke] and then if !$first ...
no, next will fire the first time through also, I think.
r: for 1..3 { NEXT say "eek"} 03:29
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«eek␤eek␤eek␤»
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[Coke] r: for 1..10 { my $a = 3; FIRST { say $a} } # masakbug? 03:54
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
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[Coke] that makes it hard to use FIRST, I think. 04:08
opened a ticket. 04:13
diakopter r: for ^5 { if FIRST { return 1} { say $_ } } 04:19
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«Can not get attribute '$!storage' declared in class 'Parcel' with this object␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.setting:5672␤ in method gimme at src/gen/CORE.setting:6101␤ in method eager at src/gen/CORE.setting:6080␤ in block at /tmp/2MKSphEXIU:1␤␤»
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diakopter hard to know whether that's in the compiler 04:20
oh nm; can't be
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diakopter [Coke]: ping 04:37
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[Coke] pong 04:38
dalek rl6-roast-data: e395511 | coke++ | bin/days_since.pl:
Speed up by 50%

Avoid processing every line in the file - only process those lines we need to find a state change.
diakopter [Coke]: emulate NOTFIRST: for ^5 { (state $a)++&& say '_'; .say } 04:39
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[Coke] nifty. 04:40
diakopter r: for ^5 { (state $a)++&& say '_'; .say }
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«0␤_␤1␤_␤2␤_␤3␤_␤4␤»
diakopter r: for ^5 { (state $a)++&& print '_'; .print }
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«0_1_2_3_4»
diakopter r: for ^5 { (state $)++&& print '_'; .print } 04:41
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«0_1_2_3_4»
diakopter golfed
[Coke] niecza has been dirty for 312 days. pugs has been clean for 8 days. rakudo has been dirty for 21 days. 04:42
diakopter r: for ^5 { (state$)++&& print '_'; .print } 04:44
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«0_1_2_3_4»
diakopter golfed more
n: for ^5 { (state$)++&& print '_'; .print }
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«0_1_2_3_4»
diakopter r: for ^5 { (our$a)++&& print '_'; .print } 04:45
camelia rakudo 45ae2d: OUTPUT«0_1_2_3_4»
diakopter golfed more
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dalek kudo/nom: 0e206e0 | coke++ | INSTALL.txt:
win32 spectest smolder prereq notes

RT #78152		 04:59
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[Coke] nr: say lines[0] 05:03
camelia rakudo 45ae2d, niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Land der Berge, Land am Strome,␤»
[Coke] wonders if TODO tickets are helpful for rakudo, or if that is better served in a doc, or a wiki page or something. 05:05
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diakopter [Coke]: what if FIRST and LAST took else blocks 05:38
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[Coke] diakopter: that would get me the functionality. not sure I like the syntax. 06:42
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[Coke] sighs, as FIRST just isn't specced to do the useful thing from his POV. 06:50
[Coke] sticks with "my $first = True; loop { ... ; $first = False}
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[Coke] boggles, as START means first. 06:52
shinobicl_ open question: do you think is still worth it to support relational databases?
labster yes. 06:53
I tell them how awesome they are when they retrieve my data.
[Coke] .ask timtoady if we should switch the names of FIRST and START, maybe.
yoleaux [Coke]: I'll pass your message to timtoady.
labster SELECT awesome FROM TABLE win WHERE cool > 0; 06:54
shinobicl_ i was recently working in a java project, using orm libraries to support my objects on tables, but this looks as soooo much boilerplate. Sadly i only have experience in relational databases but now it just seems awkward
converting objects to relational and back
labster not really familiar with any of this stuff... are you trying to do something where RDBMS is not the right tool? 06:56
shinobicl_ no, just pointing out that you need to use huge frameworks (like Hibernate) to make the database understand your objects relations 06:57
labster is it just me, or is stage parse going much faster on rakudo/parrot? 06:58
shinobicl_ and also, there's clearly a trend for things like NoSql and Cassandra 06:59
labster Of course there is, but that's a matter of choosing the right tool. If you want to be able to ask analytic questions, you need a RDBMS. NoSQL and memcached are fine for things where you don't need those features, but only want to store some data. 07:04
[Coke] I have never worked on a project where ORM was a better answer than having someone who knew sql. 07:05
(perhaps due to scale of the DB or the objects, Iunno)
diakopter ok, work on more toy projects! :)
[Coke] tries to bisect RT#117957 07:07
[Coke] also ponders a bisect helper for rakudo, but that is too many yaks deep. 07:08
PerlJam [Coke]: re swapping START and FIRST, the docs for START even say "on first ever execution"
[Coke] PerlJam: are you agreeing with me about the proposed switch or suggesting that a read of the docs will set everyone straight? 07:10
PerlJam [Coke]: agreeing.
labster [Coke]: I think FROGGS decided 117957 had something to do with my implementation of IO::Spec::Unix.tmpdir of all things. Not 100% sure if it was this bug or another one. 07:11
PerlJam Why call something START that's then immediately described as happening "first", but then have something called FIRST that means something else.
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sorear Warning: the behavior of "state" is defined in terms of START; if changing START, please explicitly make a decision about what happens to state so that we don't have to guess 07:14
labster anyway, I'm spectesting a workaround for what FROGGS_ found, spectesting now -- though the failure only seems to happen on feather. 07:16
sorear let me just say that "NoSQL" literally means that. all the popular "NoSQL" databases are functionally equivalent to RDBMSes, minus the SQL parser and query optimizer
diakopter indexes aren't nearly as powerful too 07:17
though I guess you can lump that in with the optimizer
sorear if you look under the hood of say MySQL, you'll find that InnoDB's internal interface is a transactional key-value store
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sorear "indexes" in an RDBMS are usually implemented as auxiliary tables with the indexed column as primary key. the SQL layers automatically do transactional updates to keep the index updated 07:19
[Coke] labster: iospec merge is in the list of remaining candidates, I think.
diakopter sorear: that makes sense
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sorear disclaimer: the RDBMSes I have studied in the most detail are mysql/InnoDB and SQLite. I don't really know how the big iron commercial SQLs work inside 07:20
labster The idea was that $*TMPDIR called .tmpdir, which references on %*ENV which -- although %PROCESS::ENV was already set in the terms.pm scope -- seems to cause issues on feather. 07:22
masak good morning, #perl6 07:23
diakopter o/
masak feels very refreshed 07:24
diakopter \o/
masak it's amazing what a full night of sleep can do to a person :>
labster \\o
sorear good morning masaaaak 07:25
masak twinkles happily 07:26
r: my @a=<a a a>;my @b=<b b b>;for (@a »,« @b) »,« @a -> $a, $b, $c {say "$a $b $c"} 07:27
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«Lists on both side of non-dwimmy hyperop of infix:<,> are not of the same length␤left: 6 elements, right: 3 elements␤ in sub hyper at src/gen/CORE.setting:14054␤ in sub hyper at src/gen/CORE.setting:14042␤ in block at src/gen/CORE.setting:14033␤ in block at /…
masak adds that to rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=77746
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masak [Coke]: re rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=118179 , I think that's a non-bug 07:41
FIRST {...}* at loop initialization time, before any ENTER
if it runs befor any ENTER, it also runs before the assignment $a = 3
so it *sees* the lexical... it's just that the lexical hasn't been assigned to yet.
compare 'my $a = 3; BEGIN { say $a }' 07:42
labster 118179 is already rejected
masak oh! so it is. 07:43
sorry about the noise. 07:44
on an abstract level, I can agree that the semantics [Coke]++ wanted ought to be easy, too.
& 07:45
FROGGS_ labster: I have some more information for you... 07:51
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FROGGS let me get the diff from feather 07:51
sergot hi! o/
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FROGGS labster: gist.github.com/FROGGS/0d1a9f4967a2c4d49606 07:53
labster: it breaks bool.t if you comment in line 10, 13 or 14 07:54
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labster huh? 07:55
FROGGS yeah
lizmat PerlJam: FWIW, the way I understand START, is that START runs once per closure S04:1464, and has nothing to do with loops 07:56
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labster Wait, is it the comments that are causing the error, or the regexes? 07:58
FROGGS labster: good question...
I'll comment in and remove the comments
labster This bug makes no sense to me. 08:00
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lizmat r: sub a ( $a=Mu ) { say $a }; a # not sure if I mentioned this before 08:02
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '$a'; expected Any but got Mu instead␤ in sub a at /tmp/ifvoQEy7nb:1␤ in block at /tmp/ifvoQEy7nb:1␤␤»
lizmat r: sub a ( $a=Mu ) { say $a }; a(Any) # not sure if I mentioned this before 08:03
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
labster Yeah, isn't that the "default is Any" issue?
sub a ( $a) implies sub a (Any $a) 08:04
lizmat r: sub a ( Mu $a=Mu ) { say $a }; a # not sure if I mentioned this before
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤»
lizmat labster++
masak jnthn and I are running a tad late for day 2 of the conf. we'll be sneaking in at the back at around 10:20.
[Coke]: doesn't START do exactly what you wanted from FIRST? 08:05
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FROGGS labster: it's not the comment, I commented in line 10 in the diff and removed the comment and it fails again 08:26
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moritz good morning everybody 08:50
FROGGS morning moritz
tadzik hello 08:51
FROGGS o/
moritz how's plpw going? 08:52
tadzik better than I thought
we had a little bit of technical difficulties, but almost nobody noticed :)
the power went down in the entire office. Including doors
sorear can your doors be opened manually or were you trapped? 08:53
how screwed would you have been if the building had proceeded to catch fire? :/
tadzik worse. They were open. Both ways. No alarm
we sorted it out, but it still makes me shiver 08:54
sorear (where I live, I think most doors are required by law to be manually openable?)
what kind of facility is it?
tadzik it's a big building with like 10 offices 08:55
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tadzik they forgot to turn the power back on after the outage during the night 08:55
fortunately it's not a problem anymore :0 08:56
sorear you say "office", I imagine a room roughly 5m x 5m x 2.5m with exactly one door, one desk, and three chairs
tadzik hehe, no. It's an office space for few dozens of people
we now have ~40 PLPW atendees just in a ping-pong room 08:57
lizmat it's pretty ok, it sounds worse then it is!
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tadzik yeah. Only I know how bad it was :D 08:57
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moritz well, a proper table tennis room is at least 14m x 7m 08:58
not too bad for fitting in 40 people :-) 08:59
tadzik well, it's generally a leisure space
I'm bad at approximating, but it may be like, 8m*10m, or something
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tadzik there will be pics :) 09:00
sorear wonders if there is actually an international standard for ceiling heights 09:01
lizmat not internationally, I'm pretty sure the standards for Dutch offices are different from the ones in e.g. Portugal
moritz for table tennis courts there is :-)
sorear lizmat: interesting. the hotel room I stayed in in Perl had an 8 foot +- 1% ceiling, which was...surprising 09:03
tadzik is it like 2,5 meters?
sorear it's the standard height in the US, which makes sense because it's a convenient round number here
lizmat Ah, yes, good old German building standards :-)
sorear ...but why do they use it in Perl
lizmat because it is Germany ? with generally larger people as well ? 09:04
tadzik *cough* USA *cough*
sorear 2,4384 m; I can only say the hotel room ceiling was 2,44(1) 09:07
labster FROGGS: try changing the regexes to s/// form or .subst form? maybe put $path on line 15 as an explicit return value, .=subst on line 14 and see if that fixes part of the problem?
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FROGGS labster: will do, but I already tried .subst(... 09:08
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labster Yeah, I'm not on feather, and I'm only just guessing about what it could be. 09:10
sorear wonders what the joke is about German building standards 09:11
labster If we have to, we can just drop $*TMPDIR -- it's not specced.
moritz please don't, panda uses it, iirc 09:12
dalek kudo-debugger: 857a884 | jonathan++ | lib/Debugger/UI/CommandLine.pm:
Fix debugger on latest Rakudo.
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lizmat sorear: German houses in general, are larger and better built then most other houses in Europe 09:14
fwiw, I don't think they do that because it's cheaper, but because they have to 09:15
FROGGS labster: $*TMPDIR is just too handy to be dropped 09:18
labster: you can request an account on feather though 09:19
brb
labster moritz: panda doesn't use it, but probably should. We really need a proper File::Temp. 09:26
masak is so happy to be at PLPW 09:29
moritz labster: oh, maybe it was LWP::Simple 09:30
FROGGS moritz: I think it was that, yes
masak "Perl Cannot Be Parsed: A Formal Proof" is on news.ycombinator.com/ right now. in other news, bumblebees cannot really fly, and if the Earth really revolved around its own axis like the physicists say, we'd all be thrown off by centripetal forces. 09:31
FROGGS it can easily changed to use IO::Spec.tmpdir, but I want to know why that actually fails on feather
labster So far as I can see, the only thing those three lines have in common that the others do not is anchors (^$) that aren't in square brackets. Or not in an alternation. 09:35
masak r: for 1..10 { my $a = 3; START { say $a } }
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«3␤»
masak adds this to #118179
FROGGS masak: but this is clear, no? whatever / 25 ; # / ; die "this dies!"; 09:36
because you'd know whatever's prototype without any code execution 09:37
masak FROGGS: my point isn't whether the proof is correct or not. (it is.)
moritz the correct statement would be "Perl cannot be parsed without running parts of it"
masak FROGGS: my point is that saying "Perl cannot be parsed" is silly, when people are writing and running bazillions of Perl programs every day. 09:39
if you're saying that, and the state of the world is what it is, then what you're saying needs to be revised.
sorear someone should point out that you can't parse lisp without running reader macros
or parse C without header files 09:40
sleep&
moritz or parse tex without running tex
labster whoa, it's way too late for me to read this kind of "proof"
I'm going to get me to a nullary^W bed. 09:41
masak a nullary bed sounds kinda comfy.
labster sleep &
sergot n: grammar A { token TOP { <HEAD>\s+Building\s+<name> }; token HEAD { \=\=\> }; token name {.*};}; my $s = "==> Building Foo::Bar\n==> Doing something with Foo::Bar"; say A.new.parse($s);
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«｢==> Building Foo::Bar␤==> Doing something with Foo::Bar｣␤ HEAD => ｢==>｣␤ name => ｢Foo::Bar␤==> Doing something with Foo::Bar｣␤␤»
sergot r: grammar A { token TOP { <HEAD>\s+Building\s+<name> }; token HEAD { \=\=\> }; token name {.*};}; my $s = "==> Building Foo::Bar\n==> Doing something with Foo::Bar"; say A.new.parse($s);
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«｢==> Building Foo::Bar␤==> Doing something with Foo::Bar｣␤ HEAD => ｢==>｣␤ name => ｢Foo::Bar␤==> Doing something with Foo::Bar｣␤␤»
lizmat at least you won't be able to sink into a nullary bed
masak good night, labster. dream of parsing/Hamlet fiction.
sergot How can I gen only Foo::Bar into <name>? 09:42
moritz sergot: make token name more selective 09:43
\S+ would be a decent start
sergot moritz: I was trying to add \n to TOP token after <name>, it doesnt work
I want everything after Building to the first appearance of \n :) 09:44
moritz r: r: grammar A { token TOP { <HEAD>\s+Building\s+<name> }; token HEAD { '==>' }; token name { \S+ }}; my $s = "==> Building Foo::Bar\nblah"; say A.new.parse($s) 09:45
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/mcFYwyeG2s:1␤------> r⏏: grammar A { token TOP { <HEAD>\s+Build␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤ statem…
moritz r: grammar A { token TOP { <HEAD>\s+Building\s+<name> }; token HEAD { '==>' }; token name { \S+ }}; my $s = "==> Building Foo::Bar\nblah"; say A.new.parse($s)
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«｢==> Building Foo::Bar｣␤ HEAD => ｢==>｣␤ name => ｢Foo::Bar｣␤␤»
moritz sergot: like this?
sergot Oh, so what is \S+?
moritz++ thanks!
Why does it work so?
moritz \S is "anything that is not a whitespace
sergot Ok, it's clear now. Thanks :) 09:46
moritz: one more question. If I want something after \n, Should I write in token TOP ...\n<something>... ? 09:47
Is it "good"? :)
moritz well, you can do it with \n<something> 09:48
or you can split the input into lines before putting the stuff into the grammar
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moritz which is often easier for line-based formats 09:48
sergot I'm trying to parse this: feather.perl6.nl/~sergot/modules/err1. To add more features to my modules list. :) 09:49
Ok, thank You moritz. :)
moritz a grammar might be easier for that
because the test output is actually a multi-line format 09:50
diakopter I'm looking for someone with moderate experience with CSS on mobile to do some urgent/critical volunteer work to help out yapc austin
sergot moritz: so, can I call parse with a(n) array/list of lines?
moritz sergot: no
sergot: you'd have to call A.parse for each line
sergot moritz: Ok, I'll try so. thanks again. :) 09:51
diakopter if you have that experience and you're a fast worker, and are willing/able to contribute 15-20 hours total over the next 6 days, contact me please 09:52
anyone experienced in event/party planning want to sanity check my table layout? [please?] 09:59
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arnsholt I'm don't really know much about table layout, but I can have a look 10:03
lizmat is this about who's sitting where ? Or something else ? 10:04
diakopter positioning of tables on a floor plan 10:05
arnsholt: I sent it on gtalk
moritz IMHO that's best planned with paper cut proportinally to the table size :-)
lizmat don't put them in front of emergency exits, more than that I don't really have to offer
diakopter moritz: I did pixel-scaled onto an architect's scale drawing 10:06
with a grid
dalek p/rak-jvm-support: 113b736 | jonathan++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/nqp/sixmodel/reprs/NFA.java:
Implement NFA serialize/deserialize.
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diakopter lizmat: who needs emergency exits when there are huge bay doors open to the air on a wall? :) 10:15
lizmat diakopter: I can think of some situations, but generally these would involve a large zombie attack 10:16
diakopter I like small zombie attacks better 10:17
moritz podcastle.org/2010/09/01/podcastle-...ans-fixed/
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lizmat r: my %h{Any}=Any=>1; say %h.exists(Any) 10:44
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context in block at /tmp/NTFY5txVTK:1␤␤False␤»
lizmat n: my %h{Any}=Any=>1; say %h.exists(Any)
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Postconstraints, and shapes on variable declarators NYI at /tmp/5v0DNvzso8 line 1:␤------> my %h{Any}⏏=Any=>1; say %h.exists(Any)␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.…
lizmat r: my %h{Any}=Any=>1; say %h.exists(Any) # expect True
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context in block at /tmp/Diq3EfjBnq:1␤␤False␤»
lizmat files rakudobug
masak lizmat++ 10:45
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dalek kudo/jvm-support: f4fe4dd | jonathan++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/rakudo/Binder.java:
Implement type captures in signature binder.
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FROGGS .tell labster that the fail goes away if I comment out a single line of the test file >.< 11:06
yoleaux FROGGS: I'll pass your message to labster.
FROGGS I hate this kind of bug 11:07
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colomon Hmmm, MuEvent starting failing tests overnight. 11:31
FROGGS without any changes? 11:32
colomon dunno, my reports don't have any more details yet
without any changes to MuEvent
FROGGS :/ 11:33
colomon presumably the changes were to Rakudo
huh, all the tests worked when I just ran them by hand in a different account 11:35
FROGGS it picks the same perl6 binary?
colomon no 11:36
oh, right!
duh
tadzik colomon: maybe they're just flapping
colomon tadzik: ? 11:37
also passes using the same account and p6 binary. :\
tadzik: does MuEvent occasionally fail?
tadzik colomon: not to my knowledge 11:38
FROGGS r: multi term:<test> { 42 }; multi sub test($a) { $a + 1 }; say test 1; 11:39
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/nHQ4QNIHo0:1␤------> multi sub test($a) { $a + 1 }; say test ⏏1;␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤ statement end␤ state…
colomon trying it with panda now
tadzik yep, me too 11:40
colomon that worked too
so I've got no clue.
tadzik duh
FROGGS colomon: do you capture that test output somewhere? like backtraces? 11:41
colomon FROGGS: ooo, maybe, but not in a particularly orderly fashion 11:42
well, I've got the stderr dump for the entire smoke run, but it's not sorted (as far as I know) or tagged by module name 11:44
FROGGS maybe you can search for the failing test file name? 11:45
colomon don't think so 11:46
tadzik: I see a line # don't waste time if it has already been installed once 11:53
in emmentaler.
does that mean smoker doesn't test modules which have already been installed? 11:54
tadzik well, it's not only about wasting time
colomon oh, is that already installed in this particular run?
tadzik yes precisely
you get a fresh state when you start emmentaler (or you should've 11:55
)
colomon I'm trying to figure out how to add the module being worked on to the STDERR output. :) 11:56
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colomon rn: $*ERR.say: "Working on blah" 12:04
camelia rakudo 0e206e, niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Working on blah␤»
colomon okay, I've tried adding that to smoker.
looks like it works. :) 12:05
(occurred to me I could always run it by hand and see what it did.) 12:06
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FROGGS r: my $n = 3; say "a,a,a,a,a" ~~ / "a"**$n % [","] / # looks like I need that for perl5's sub calls :/ 12:17
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Quantifier quantifies nothing␤at /tmp/s1P_ecAsTN:1␤------> my $n = 3; say "a,a,a,a,a" ~~ / "a"**⏏$n % [","] / # looks like I need that fo␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or…
moritz FROGGS: why?
you shouldn't do a regex match per sub call; that's way too slow 12:18
FROGGS no, when parsing things like: @a = shift || 1
moritz doesn't see the connection yet 12:19
FROGGS you need to know the prototype of shift in order to know that it can take zero or one arg
moritz oh
FROGGS and things like: @a = shift @b, 2, 3; where shift only eats the @b
so I need to do: <EXPR>**$count % [','] in token <args> or so 12:20
well, basically I need to do that for all possibilities of $count
masak r: say [+] ('a'..'z').pairs.map: { 1 + .key if .value ~~ any < m a t h > } 12:24
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
masak on perl6-users, eiro asks us to make this shorter. 12:25
I think we can do that :>
FROGGS cool
r: say [+] (0,'a'..'z').pairs.map: { .value ~~ any < m a t h > and .key } 12:26
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
masak r: say [+] ('a'..'z').grep({ any <m a t h> })>>.ord X- ord('a')
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«325␤»
masak er :) 12:27
colomon close enough!
masak :P
masak tries to figger out what he did wrong
r: say ('a'..'z').grep({ any <m a t h> })
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z␤»
moritz r: say [+] 'math'.comb>>.ord X- ord('a')
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«38␤»
masak r: say ('a'..'z').grep(any <m a t h>)
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«a h m t␤»
masak ah.
moritz r: say [+] 'math'.comb>>.ord X- ord('a') + 1 12:28
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«34␤»
colomon r: say [+] (0,'a'..'z').kv.map: { 1 + $^k of $^v ~~ any < m a t h > }
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/tuSC0LXXa6:1␤------> say [+] (0,'a'..'z').kv.map: { 1 + $^k ⏏of $^v ~~ any < m a t h > }␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤ sta…
moritz r: say [+] 'math'.comb>>.ord X- ord('a') X+ 1
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«818␤»
colomon r: say [+] (0,'a'..'z').kv.map: { 1 + $^k if $^v ~~ any < m a t h > }
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«46␤»
lizmat r: sub a ( $a is copy ) { $a=5 }; a(1)
moritz r: say [+] 'math'.comb>>.ord X- (1+ord('a') )
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in block at /tmp/Dmc8P4X3n2:1␤␤»
rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«34␤»
lizmat submits rakudobug
colomon 46 ?!
masak r: say [+] 'math'.comb>>.ord X- (ord('a') - 1)
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
colomon oh 12:29
moritz masak: right, that was what I was trying to do
colomon r: say [+] ('a'..'z').kv.map: { 1 + $^k if $^v ~~ any < m a t h > }
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
moritz r: say <m a t h>».org X- ('a'.ord - 1)
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«No such method 'org' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in method dispatch:<hyper> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1097␤ in block at /tmp/B0cksZLtJo:1␤␤»
moritz r: say <m a t h>».ord X- ('a'.ord - 1)
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«13 1 20 8␤»
moritz r: say [+] <m a t h>».ord X- ('a'.ord - 1) 12:30
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
FROGGS cool
masak r: sub v { ord($^l) - ord('a') + 1 }; say [+] <m a t h>.map(&v)
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
masak oh, but moritz++' is much shorter :) 12:31
moritz answers on p6u
masak moritz++
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moritz r: say [+] <m a t h>».ord X- 'a'.pred.ord 12:32
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«Decrement out of range␤ in method <anon> at src/gen/CORE.setting:10070␤ in any at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:2504␤ in any find_method_fallback at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:2492␤ in any find_method at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:939␤ in block at /tmp/rKFRJbJpBF:1␤␤»…
moritz r: say 'a'.ord.pred.chr 12:33
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«`␤»
moritz r: say [+] <m a t h>».ord X- '`'.ord
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
moritz would like to get rid of that -1, but doesn't have any really good ideas
r: say :36<a> 12:34
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«10␤»
moritz r: say ('a'..'z').grep(any 'math'.comb)
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«a h m t␤»
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colomon rn: say (ord('a') - 1).char 12:35
colomon can never remember what the opposite of ord is
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«No such method 'char' for invocant of type 'Int'␤ in block at /tmp/7W5d4b6eHw:1␤␤»
..niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method char in type Int␤ at /tmp/dKGSe7uJ7S line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4331 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4332 (module-CORE @ 582) ␤ at /home/p…
moritz r: say [+] ('a'..'z').grep(any 'math'.comb).map *.ord - 1
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 2␤ in method map at src/gen/CORE.setting:1396␤ in block at /tmp/a9ceOOf4kx:1␤␤»
colomon rn: say 'a'.ord, '`'.ord
camelia rakudo 0e206e, niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«9796␤»
moritz colomon: chr
r: say [+] ('a'..'z').grep(any 'math'.comb).map: *.ord - 1
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«422␤»
colomon sees masak already did this... 12:36
moritz r: say [+] ('a'..'z').grep(any 'math'.comb).map: *.ord - ord('a') - 1
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«34␤»
moritz r: say [+] ('a'..'z').grep(any 'math'.comb).map: *.ord - ord('a') + 1
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
colomon r: say [+] ('a'..'z').grep(any 'math'.comb).map: *.ord - ord('`') 12:40
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
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felher r: say [+] <m a t h>».ord»-»('a'.ord -1) #me finds that a bit clearer than X- with one element on the left, but thats probably just taste. 12:49
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
felher And its only shorter, if you use » and not >>. And even then only by one character :) 12:50
moritz but only because you omit the whitespaces
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moritz you can also drop the blank after Z- 12:51
felher moritz: yeah, right. It's really more of a taste thing. :) 12:52
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FROGGS r: say [+] <m a t h>».ord»-»96 12:52
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
FROGGS only "r: 42" would be shorter I guess :P
felher :D
FROGGS btw, <m a s a k> is closest to truthness from what I have tested 13:08
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colomon masak: pull request sent for HTML::Template. ;) 13:23
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FROGGS pmichaud / jnthn: if you get the chance, please have a look at gist.github.com/FROGGS/5652897 14:06
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pmichaud FROGGS: what's the purpose of the 5652897 patch? 14:45
oh, I see it at the top. 14:48
my first response would be to veto the patch, unless there's a compelling use case for it.
NQP is supposed to be a lightweight version of Perl 6. 14:49
also, switching "has int $!min" to be "has $min" is likely a no-go.
er, "has $!min" 14:50
FROGGS okay, so this should go into rakudo? 14:51
sergot Is there any possibility to get the value from to a variable? github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...ol.pm#L187
pmichaud FROGGS: that's where I'd expect it to be implemented first, yes. 14:52
sergot I wrote IO::Capture::Simple, and it doesnt capture it.
FROGGS pmichaud: thanks, will try
sergot github.com/sergot/IO-Capture-Simple
Any ideas? ;) 14:53
pmichaud sergot: I'm having trouble parsing your question
what are you wanting to get?
sergot pmichaud: github.com/sergot/IO-Capture-Simple/issues/2
FROGGS r: my $output_of_ls = shell("ls"); # . .. .git ... 14:54
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«shell is disallowed in restricted setting␤ in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting:2␤ in sub shell at src/RESTRICTED.setting:7␤ in block at /tmp/4eUqOovEK1:1␤␤»
sergot pmichaud: I'm sorry for my weird language. :)
pmichaud I don't think the shell() function is supposed to return the output.
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sergot pmichaud: yes, but my module gets value from std{in,out,err} to variables. But it cant do this with e.g. shell(); 14:56
pmichaud maybe qx or qqx then? 14:57
sergot Am I understandable? :) Im a little bit in hurry.
The problem is make my module to capture that. 14:58
Ok, have to go. I'll think about it. :)
pmichaud I don't think shell/run will be the commands you need there, then.
they aren't designed to capture the output.
sergot pmichaud: My module already captures $*IN $*OUT $*ERR. 14:59
it has problem with capturing shell output. 15:00
o/
thanks pmichaud++
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splitcells How do I 'use' an other script that is in the same dir as the current script? 15:37
moritz you don't 'use' scripts, you 'use' modules
use lib '.'; use MyModule;
splitcells on windows use lib '.'; ist not working 15:48
moritz how is it not working? 15:49
splitcells there is not . location
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splitcells I am using 'C:/...' 15:49
timotimo_ there is always .
splitcells not on my machine
moritz . refers to the current directory, even on windows
splitcells no 15:50
moritz it may be called MyFolder, but if it's the current working directory, you can still refer to it as '.'
splitcells I am using windows 8
moritz if not, your windows is broken, and you should get a refund from Microsoft
splitcells this does not work
use v6; use lib '.'; use Cells;
moritz and what's the error message? 15:51
splitcells ===SORRY!=== Could not find Cells in any of: ., c:/rakudo/lib/parrot/4.10.0/languages/perl6/site/lib, c:/rakudo/lib/parrot/4.10.0/languages/perl6/vendor/lib, c:/rakudo/lib/parrot/4.10.0/languages/perl6/lib, C:\Users\splitcells/.perl6/2013.02.1/lib <<< Process finished.
moritz and is there a Cells.pm or Cells.pm6 in the current working directory?
splitcells yes 15:52
this works
use v6; use lib "X:/..."; use Cells;
timotimo_ do you invoke the script like perl6 Foo.p6 or perl6 X:/.../? 15:53
moritz splitcells: what does use v6; say dir('.'); say cwd; produce?
splitcells on notepad++
C:\rakudo\bin\perl6.exe "$(FULL_CURRENT_PATH)"
C:\rakudo\bin\perl6.exe "X:\..."
moritz splitcells: then the current working directory is whatever notepad++'s current working directory is 15:54
splitcells: and not the directory where the script is
oh
my fault
you even said
splitcells i have to launch it via cmd than?
moritz in the same dir as current script
r: say cwd.path.directory 15:55
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«/home␤»
splitcells perl5 did not have such problem^^
moritz splitcells: well, with p5 you have to use FindBin
splitcells no
notepad++ : perl "$(FULL_CURRENT_PATH)"
moritz p5 doesn't automaticially search for modules in the same path as the script
maybe notepad++ does some magic; no idea 15:56
anyway
try
use lib $*PROGRAM_NAME.path.directory
r: say $*PROGRAM_NAME.path.directory
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«/tmp␤»
moritz r: use lib $*PROGRAM_NAME.path.directory; say @*INC[0] 15:57
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«/tmp␤»
splitcells output . 15:58
moritz splitcells: what does say $PROGRAM_NAME report? 15:59
splitcells . 16:00
moritz doesn't believe it
splitcells that's no joke -.-
use v6; use lib $*PROGRAM_NAME.path.directory; say $*PROGRAM_NAME.path.directory
moritz and now I was just asking about $*PROGRAM_NAME, not the whole thing
splitcells u mean only use v6; say $*PROGRAM_NAME.path.directory? 16:01
moritz no
I mean
use v6; say $*PROGRAM_NAME;
splitcells X:\Semac\AlgorithmPrograms\Cells\test.pl6
moritz ok, next 16:02
use v6; say $*PROGRAM_NAME.path.perl
splitcells IO::Path.new(basename => "X:\\Semac\\AlgorithmPrograms\\Cells\\test.pl6", directory => ".")
moritz oh 16:03
splitcells: what version of rakudo are you using?
splitcells rakudo-star-2013.02.msi6
moritz that explains why .directory doesn't work yet :(
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splitcells is there a newer one? 16:04
moritz there's always a newer rakudo if you build from source
no idea if there's a newer rakudo star msi
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moritz and I hope there'll be a new one in a few days 16:05
splitcells ty
moritz feels he wasn't a great help :(
splitcells works on cmd 16:07
moritz at least something :-)
splitcells even without use lib '.';
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moritz that's midly surprising for me 16:10
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colomon do we know who gam on github is? I just fixed his Test-Junkie module, and issued a pull request. 16:51
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moritz doesn't know 17:12
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moritz in the current star distro-in-git, t/custom-headers-and-content.t and t/get-unsized.t from LWP::Simple fail 17:20
Bailador t/03-response-content.t also fails 17:21
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timotimo_ jnthn++ # fixing the debugger in time for a new star release 17:56
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FROGGS moritz: I thought I have fixed that t/get-unsized.t fail 18:07
I guess I leave that **$n up to somebody else 18:11
making that work in rakudo doesnt help me with my current problem in v5 18:12
if I only could translate (@$$$;+) directly to tokens... 18:14
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FROGGS hmmm, I guess I can 18:23
Juerd [Coke]: No 18:27
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timotimo_ huh. try require Text::Levenshtein <&distance>; distance("foo", "bar"); --> Method 'Any' not found for invocant of class 'Parcel' ?!?!? 18:58
FROGGS can you paste with --ll-exception? 18:59
timotimo_ sure
gist.github.com/timo/8b392e697679ec3696e3 - there we go 19:00
now i've got to run
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moritz $ panda install MIME::Base64 19:10
(Mu)
No such method 'get-project' for invocant of type 'Any'
moritz sadpanda
that's a freshly bootstrapped panda on rakudo 2013.05 19:11
FROGGS timotimo_: damnit, that 'try' is busting it
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itz__ moritz: I installed panda/rakudo 2013.05 from git yesterday and it works for me 19:51
timotimo_ maybe that's what it does before you've done the first update? 19:57
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timotimo_ but that shouldn't be. 20:02
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moritz $ panda update 20:08
No such method 'update' for invocant of type 'Any'
timotimo_ can you see in the panda binary what the value of the ecosystem is after it gets created? 20:10
that's really strange
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moritz it's Any 20:11
that's what the error message tells me 20:12
NARF
timotimo but how? it gets created with Panda::Ecosystem.new and the new method isn't custom
moritz I accidentally used an old version of panda, not the one I just installed
cruft--
timotimo m)
moritz moritz--
timotimo that's quite all right 20:13
moritz is just relieved that he is broken, and not panda
sorear that's not good. we can fix panda, but who can fix moritz? 20:20
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moritz sorear: sleep 20:26
labster good postnoon, #perl6 20:27
yoleaux 11:06Z <FROGGS> labster: that the fail goes away if I comment out a single line of the test file >.<
moritz r: say 42
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«42␤»
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sorear o/ labster 20:28
labster \o
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labster FROGGS: Yeah, I have no idea about that failure line -- it seems like there's nothing in common between the two parts of code that are failing. 20:32
FROGGS labster: true 20:33
there is just something that messes up the GC or so
timotimo r: say "Foo Bar Baz" ~~ m:P5/(...)(?:\ (...))+/ 20:42
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«｢Foo Bar Baz｣␤ 0 => ｢Foo｣␤ 1 => ｢Baz｣␤␤»
timotimo is this not supposed to match Bar and Baz?
perl5: $_ = "Foo Bar Baz"; /(...)(?:\ (...))+/; print $1;print $2; print $3; 20:43
eval: $_ = "Foo Bar Baz"; /(...)(?:\ (...))+/; print $1;print $2; print $3;
p5eval: $_ = "Foo Bar Baz"; /(...)(?:\ (...))+/; print $1;print $2; print $3; 20:44
p5eval timotimo: FooBaz1
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timotimo oh, okay 20:44
moritz timotimo: in p5, a quantified capture only records the last match
timotimo pcre is so great /s :P
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timotimo what's the way to record each of the results? 20:48
moritz (??{ push @array, $^N }) # or so
(inside the quantifier, but after the capture 20:49
)
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FROGGS r: my $p = '$'; grammar G { rule TOP { :my $s = $p; :my $n = ''; :my $i = 0; [ <?{ $n = $s.substr($i++, 1) }> <arg($n)> ]+ % ',' }; token arg($n) { \d+ } }; say G.parse( "1,2,3" ) 20:53
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«｢1｣␤ arg => ｢1｣␤␤»
FROGGS r: my $p = '$$'; grammar G { rule TOP { :my $s = $p; :my $n = ''; :my $i = 0; [ <?{ $n = $s.substr($i++, 1) }> <arg($n)> ]+ % ',' }; token arg($n) { \d+ } }; say G.parse( "1,2,3" )
camelia rakudo 0e206e: OUTPUT«｢1,2｣␤ arg => ｢1｣␤ arg => ｢2｣␤␤»
FROGGS :o)
labster FROGGS: try binding in terms.pm? $TMPDIR := IO::Spec.tmpdir 20:57
jnthn FROGGS, pmichaud: I don't think "just shove an AST into min/max" will work. It expects integer literals there, not a QAST tree. The code gen actually needs to know the exact values at present. So does the NFA stuff. I suspect it needs some kind of smarter thing, maybe a different rxtype so we don't put all the complexity into quant itself. 20:58
labster either that, or tell me who I have to bug to get an account on feather :o)
FROGGS labster: moritz and Juerd can give you an account I think 21:00
jnthn: thanks, will keep that in mind if/when I will work at that again 21:01
timotimo moritz: yikes, that's apparently not something you're supposed to be able to do nicely in perl5 :|
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tadzik *whew* 22:04
PLPW is over. 'twas awesome
sergot_ o/ 22:05
tadzik: thank you again for plpw 22:06
!
tadzik you're welcome. Thank you! 22:07
timotimo tadzik: \o/
tadzik You made it. I just herded cats :P
it was fun :) 22:08
sergot_ :)
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sergot It must be done in next year too. :) 22:09
have to * :)
timotimo have people been recording videos of the talks?
tadzik I thought it's settled, that Poznań.pm organizes YAPC::Poland next year :) 22:10
sergot timotimo: yes
tadzik timotimo: yes, everything is recorded
timotimo: I'll try to get the video asap, cut it into parts and put it all on YT
timotimo \o/
tadzik this'll require some tuits and computing power
timotimo that's great
tadzik yeah, and it just happened 22:11
sergot tadzik: do you know when and where will be available photos and videos from the whole PLPW (made by Wendy and others?)
Wendy, right?
tadzik one of the attendees asked "can I record this?" "yeah, sure, go ahead"
sergot: oh, I have those too
but it's like 7 gigabytes
sergot No way, really?
tadzik aye
full-frame Nikon D800 :D
sergot So... Could you send me this via postmail? 22:12
tadzik I'll run some perl script to compress those a bit and put it somewhere for people to look at
again, when I get some tuits
sergot Great. :)
Looking forward. :)
sorear postmail, eh 22:13
o/ sergot
tadzik I'm looking through them. They're good :)
jest has some pictures too, I believe 22:14
sergot sorear: o/ 22:15
sorear: did I wrote something not correctly? :P
write*
sorear I just don't think I've heard postmail before. It's cute 22:18
sergot sorear: :) 22:19
It should be post or mail, shouldn't it? :)
tadzik snail-mail, maybe :)
sergot ok, thanks. :)
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lizmat tadzik++ + pjotr++ + pjotr++ for PLPW! 22:34
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sergot lizmat: o/ 22:47
lizmat sergot: /o 22:48
masak o/ 22:55
sorear ō
lizmat hopes masak is home safe 22:56
masak fsvo "home", yes :)
(teaching tomorrow. I'm in a hotel room, feeling a bit like a character in a William Gibson novel)
lizmat the life of a globe trotter :-) 22:57
see you soon in Austin, TX !
masak :>
my point exactly.
I bet if the sky weren't night-black, it'd have the color of television, tuned to a dead channel. 22:58
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sorear I see what you did there :P 23:07
masak :) 23:08
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masak 'night, #perl6 23:22
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timotimo jnthn: i'm a bit bummed that apparently i can't work on $/ in the debugger after a match came through 23:29
is that right?
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