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Set by moritz on 3 May 2013.
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timotimo shift_pmc() not implemented in class 'List' - eeeehhhhh 00:32
oh, i'm handling a perl6 object inside nqp, am i not? 00:33
could someone have a look at ModuleLoader.nqp, the part that handles conflicts? 00:35
the inner loop that goes through the stash likely needs a bunch of changes, it's breaking PSGI
gotta run
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timotimo roar. 01:22
i capitulate
my @pairs := nqp::getattr($orig.pairs, List, '$!items'); was obviously wrong 01:27
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timotimo strange. in the star daily tests there is no error 01:42
[Coke] timotimo: until today when the whole thing exploded. 01:43
timotimo but that was yonly the configuration failing 01:46
not psgi triggering some module loader collision code that does not work
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timotimo can you quickly try to install psgi? 01:47
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[Coke] what are valid options for --target on rakudo-java? 02:01
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Juerd [Coke]: There has been some discussion about replacing feather with a new box. It's just a matter of money. 02:04
RedditAnalytics is having one of those "This code really should work, so there must be something wrong with the universe" moments 02:05
lue What's the problem? 02:06
RedditAnalytics the thing between the monitor and chair 02:08
benabik PEBCAK
lue I hate when my mouse acts up too.
RedditAnalytics :) Just having an issue with a strange module. almost have it. how are you guys doing? 02:09
lue I'm doing fine [ not doing any brain-bending coding at the moment, though :) ]
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[Coke] .ask jnthn where he wants rakudo-java errors reported. 02:40
yoleaux [Coke]: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
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colomon_ o/ 02:51
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RedditAnalytics someone on the team should look at the Perl6 wikipedia article and update it -- especially under implementations 02:56
colomon Won't they just tell us that it isn't properly cited?
I mean, if we change it based on our actual knowledge.
RedditAnalytics true 02:57
lue WP's Perl 6 Talk page has someone refer to Camelia as a "queen bee" :) 03:03
colomon btw, at dinner we decide Rakudo needs MAGIC and MOAR-MAGIC switches. 03:08
*decided
masak :)
masak .oO( sometimes I wish for LESS-MAGIC, too... ) :P 03:09
lizmat en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...=552171473
benabik Less magic? I suggest lesspipe.sh 03:10
lue lizmat: I believe I approve of that update :)
lizmat :-) 03:11
lue
.oO(sub foo() { MAGIC { return acceptable_fallback; }; MOARMAGIC { autocorrect_code; carry_on; } ... } )
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colomon www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_46.html
benabik Or maybe less /usr/share/file/magic?
masak lizmat++ 03:14
lue or /dev/magic /dev/more_magic
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lue "There are no barewords in Perl 6. An undeclared bare identifier will always be taken to mean a subroutine name, ..." (S02:4206) does that match with the C<my \var;> stuff? 03:34
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masak lizmat: git clean -xdf 03:36
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colomon ingy: "I'm so tired, all I want to do is write a parser." 03:39
flussence: we're all sitting here wondering about your "regex matching is taking up 84% of the execution time" comment from yesterday. 03:40
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flussence colomon: was running Text-Tabs-Wrap tests, there's one that tries to wrap a single 150+char word to 1 column, which looks like it calls a procedural regex over a hundred times. takes a minute on my desktop. 03:47
colomon flussence: so it's kind of awkward code -- but it's also going much slower than it was. Is that correct? 03:48
flussence yeah. I vaguely remember a long time ago I had a really ugly eval hack there, to work around Rakudo not having closure ranges in regex (the current code is a cleaner workaround for that, but seems really slow) 03:51
colomon so it might be a change in the code rather than a change in Rakudo.
still maybe worth investigating.
rn: say "hello".tcuc 03:54
camelia niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«HELLO␤»
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«No such method 'tcuc' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in block at /tmp/cc2N55RVvC:1␤␤»
TimToady lue: that is not undeclared; note the 'my' 03:55
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masak TimToady: people here at the impromptu hackathon are saying tcuc is quite an unnecessary thing. 03:57
like, title case and then upper case? what's the use case for that?
flussence colomon: it's worth noting the same test is nearly instant in niecza...
TimToady masak: langages which distinguish titlecase at the front of a word will still want titlecase at the front of an uppercase word 03:59
*guages
lue TimToady: thanks. I just decided to look up what a bareword is precisely, and it seems to be another one of those things where I don't know how it was done in Perl 5.
colomon rn: say 'ßß'.tc; say 'ßß'.tclc
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«No such method 'tc' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in block at /tmp/dxEbymiFEf:1␤␤»
..niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Ssß␤Ssß␤»
colomon rn: say 'ßß'.tc; say 'ßß'.tcuc
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«No such method 'tc' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in block at /tmp/g7cDL3ZAek:1␤␤» 04:00
..niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Ssß␤Ssß␤»
masak TimToady: why couldn't you just do .uc.tc ? 04:01
TimToady might lose info 04:02
lue
.oO(That should be ẞ)
masak TimToady: Nick Patch is saying nice things about the Perl 6 spec and its Unicode support. 04:03
TimToady sides, we want simple functions to hand to wordcase
masak TimToady: but it feels like there's a paucity of examples in the docs/spectests.
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colomon paucity of examples in the irclog, too. 04:10
dalek d: ea24a29 | larry++ | STD.pm6:
Catch use of \N{NAME}
masak .oO( too much paucity ) 04:11
jnthn Today's slides, fwiw: jnthn.net/papers/2013-yapcna-gramma...nerate.pdf 04:13
yoleaux 02:40Z <[Coke]> jnthn: where he wants rakudo-java errors reported.
FROGGS_ will have a look
jnthn [Coke]: In RT, though given so little works so far... :) 04:14
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dalek kudo-debugger: 17cdb70 | jonathan++ | lib/Debugger/UI/CommandLine.pm:
Remove workaround that's no longer needed.
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masak rn: .say for [\~] "FROGGS".comb
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«F␤FR␤FRO␤FROG␤FROGG␤FROGGS␤»
masak \o/
FROGGS_ :o) 04:24
I remember F/FR/FROGGS from somewhere...
masak rn: say "give me a $_!" for [\~] "FROGGS".comb 04:25
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«give me a F!␤give me a FR!␤give me a FRO!␤give me a FROG!␤give me a FROGG!␤give me a FROGGS!␤»
FROGGS_ hehe
masak :D
FROGGS_ looks like you left <?before 'me'>
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FROGGS_ I got a cool drawing of me btw 04:26
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lue rn: .say for [\~] "ground!".comb 04:26
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«g␤gr␤gro␤grou␤groun␤ground␤ground!␤»
eternaleye jnthn: Just read your slides. Holy carp, that's wondrous.
lue (couldn't pass up the opportunity :P) 04:27
masak lue: or down, as it were.
lue :) (poor ex-whale...)
jnthn eternaleye: :) 04:30
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masak lue: well, poor bowl of petunias. 04:31
eternaleye <marvin> Poor me. 04:32
lue I don't feel too bad for the petunias. The whale was sweet and innocent. The petunias turn out to be vindictive and evil.
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atroxaper r: say "Greeting!" 04:33
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Greeting!␤»
eternaleye jnthn: My reading of your slides comes across as "Here everybody, I'll just cut the work of supporting reading and writing formatted data in half. No biggie." :D 04:34
lue r: say "Hello atroxaper o/"; 04:35
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Hello atroxaper o/␤»
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lue jnthn: that's... amazing! jnthn++ 04:39
TimToady std: / \N{SPACE} /
camelia std ea24a29: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared name:␤ 'SPACE' used at line 1␤Potential difficulties:␤ Unsupported use of \N{...}; in Perl 6 please use \c[...], or disambiguate with whitespace at /tmp/QYKoVJ0MGv line 1:␤------> / \N⏏{SPACE} /␤Check fail…
masak eternaleye, lue: where were you guys when jnthn was giving his talk? :P 04:40
eternaleye masak: At work, more's the pity.
masak people there mostly went "ummm, I... what?" 04:41
lue at !Texas
masak "this is probably super-awesome, but my brain just asploded"
eternaleye masak: Moreover, on linux - I had the same problem of the livestream dying frequently, and it wasn't working in any browser but opera at all.
lue masak: it'd take me at least a few good minutes to understand the code specifically, but I understand completely what it ultimately does.
eternaleye masak: Locationwise, I was in Washington State with no money to get to Texas. 04:42
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eternaleye Honestly, the insane part with his stuff is what it might mean for .perl 04:43
Total roundtripping of arbitrary p6 straight through the grammar that parsed it? YESPLZKTHX
lue O.o What if you applied this module to STD?
(STD the Perl 6 core, not the specific program) 04:44
eternaleye lue: *G*
jnthn eternaleye: I...think it's a little off being able to handle a grammar that complex :)
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eternaleye jnthn: Yeah, but the concept should hold. 04:44
jnthn eternaleye: Hopefully... :) 04:45
eternaleye jnthn: Sometimes, the critical thing is showing that it can be done at all.
jnthn Yes, that was my goal. Ask "what if" and show a possible way to get there :)
lue r: say m/<alpha>+/.perl; 04:47
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«No such method 'match' for invocant of type 'Any'␤ in block at /tmp/AfBNxqF9RJ:1␤␤»
lue r: say /<alpha>+/.perl; # I think jnthn may have found the solution to this problem. Maybe. 04:48
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«regex(Mu : Mu *%_) { ... }␤»
masak 'night, #perl6
lue good ♞ masak o/
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colomon \o night 04:52
lue ♞ colomon o/ 04:53
eternaleye r: say { m/<alpha>+/ }.perl 04:57
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Block.new()␤»
eternaleye r: say rx/<alpha>+/.perl
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«regex(Mu : Mu *%_) { ... }␤»
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eternaleye jnthn: One interesting thought: since the actions operate on a match object, and the backtions operate on something other than a match object, could someone use MMD in order to have them be the same object? That'd let you keep 'parse' and 'deparse' for a given construct close together. 04:59
Which might help maintainability.
jnthn Don't see why not 05:01
FROGGS_ I propose now officially the names barse instead of deparse and brammer besides bactions 05:04
it feels so natural to have the same letter in front of it :P 05:05
benabik Should we go with garse or prammer for the other direction? ;-)
FROGGS_ sounds good *g* 05:06
lets see what my pillow thinks about it... gnight 05:09
lizmat night FROGGS! 05:10
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jnthn 'night, #perl6 05:13
eternaleye 'night, jnthn 05:15
sorear good * #perl6 05:17
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dalek rl6-bench: 6ce4295 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | microbenchmarks.pl:
Add native typed versions of several microbenchmarks; fix a typo in nqp version of one test
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PerlJam just read www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2013/06/...costs.html 07:44
"super sixy project"? There's no way I can imagine that was an accident. 07:45
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raiph PerlJam: I imagine he's going to keep trotting those out for another couple years at least 07:52
hoelzro_ morning, #perl6! 07:53
raiph o/
hoelzro curses, I just missed jnthn 07:57
...by 2.5 hours. 07:58
PerlJam raiph: probably
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raiph r: say "ABbCCc".uc.comb.bag Z 1..26 # working towards a P6 version of www.reddit.com/r/readablecode/comme..._this_one/ 07:59
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«"A" => 1 1 "B" => 2 2 "C" => 3 3␤»
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moritz r: say "ABbCCc".uc.comb.bag.list Z 1..26 08:00
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«A 1 B 2 C 3␤»
raiph how do i pick the values not the keys? 08:01
moritz r: say "ABbCCc".uc.comb.bag.values
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
raiph r: say "ABbCCc".uc.comb.bag.values Z* 26...1 08:02
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«26 50 72␤»
raiph r: say "ABbCCc".uc.comb.bag.values.reverse Z* 26...1
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«78 50 24␤»
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moritz raiph: shouldn't you also sort? 08:06
the values coming out of a Bag are unordered 08:07
r: say "ABbCCc".uc.comb.bag.values.sort.reverse Z* 1..26
raiph yeah, what i was doing there was non-sensical. but it was fun to cargo cult rather than think about it :)
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«3 4 3␤»
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raiph the idea is to do 26 * the count of the most frequent letter, 25 * the count of the next most, etc. 08:10
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tadzik hello #perl6 08:11
raiph hi tadzik
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mathw morning 08:54
or whatever your $localtime is
o/ 08:55
raiph hi mathw
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raiph solution: www.reddit.com/r/readablecode/comme...ne/cacjhq2 09:14
moritz raiph++ 09:17
Timbus .comb.grep(/<alpha>/) -- is that not the same as .comb(/<alpha>/) ? 09:21
moritz ay, .comb(/<alpha>/) would be cleaner 09:22
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grondilu ./nqp --target=pir --output=src/stage2/gen/NQPP5QRegex.pir \ src/stage2/gen/NQPP5QRegex.nqp 11:46
make: *** [NQPP5QRegex.pbc] Segmentation fault 11:47
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Teratogen what is .pir 12:05
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nwc10 Teratogen: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrot_interm...esentation 12:13
Teratogen what other file extensions does Perl 6 use? 12:15
nwc10 *parrot* uses .pbc and .pir
Rakudo is mostly written in NQP, which is usually .nqp
Teratogen thanks
I collect file extensions and mime types
will add those to my list 12:16
I already have .pm and .pl
nwc10 some people are writing code as .pm6, but I think that that's redundant, as Perl 6 modules can be distinguised from Perl 5
Teratogen but .pm6 is in use meaning "Perl 6 Module"?
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nwc10 it seems to be 12:17
Teratogen ok
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masak morning, #perl6 12:37
masak hunkers down to prepare his two remaining talks
nwc10 whereas jnthn has no more, so was out on the lash until the wee small hours? :-) 12:38
masak jnthn has one more. :)
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FROGGS_ If we do .pm6 we should always do .p6 or .pl6 too, but s[6] = '' is fine for me too 13:08
RedditAnalytics o/
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FROGGS o/ 13:54
masak \o 13:55
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FROGGS masak: still preparing your talk? 13:55
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FROGGS guru: \o/ 13:55
masak FROGGS: I'm done with the first one. preparing my second one.
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FROGGS masak: k, I'm already sitting in that room, waiting for your talk :o) 13:56
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masak FROGGS: nice! will be there in a while. 14:00
moritz: I pushed a small <?>-related fix to JSON::Tiny. still passes all tests. (except for one, which was TODO already.) 14:01
moritz masak: ok, great
masak hm, I should be clearer. the test results are unchanged after the fix. :)
venue & 14:02
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FROGGS masak: btw, the DateTime talk by dave rolsky could be interesting to you... 14:05
anocelot_ is enjoying rolsky's DT talk right now. 14:06
FROGGS yeah
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[Coke] jnthn: I'll keep the rakudo-java tickets to a minimum for now. Just opening the worst blockers. 14:09
(blockers to "running the test suite")
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[Coke] masak: could you please provide me with an RT query that will show me all open/new/stalled perl6 tickets that do not have the custom tag "testneeded". 14:11
I am unable to construct a query that does this - the statuses work fine. searching *for* the custom tag works fine. search for NOT the custom tag fails to exclude them. 14:12
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[Coke] pmichaud: what's your feedback on creating a new ticket modifier in RT for "VM" and adding in Java, Parrot, and Moar? 14:18
also - we have no need for time estimated/worked/left, right? Wonder if those are removable.
nwc10 I don't think that perl5 has ever used estimated/worked/left 14:20
not sure if those are bog-standard RT, custom but installation wide, or per queue 14:21
not sure whom other than "perl5" and "perl6" are on rt.perl.org 14:22
dalek kudo/nom: 1d43629 | coke++ | README:
Add memory notes for RT #118287
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[Coke] nwc10: there are at least 2 other queues. 14:24
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gfldex r: use JavaScript; 15:09
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Could not find JavaScript in any of: /home/p6eval/nom-inst/lib/parrot/5.2.0-devel/languages/perl6/site/lib, /home/p6eval/nom-inst/lib/parrot/5.2.0-devel/languages/perl6/vendor/lib, /home/p6eval/nom-inst/lib/parrot/5.2.0-devel/languages/perl6/lib, /home…
gfldex :(
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timotimo oooh, impromptu percussion session 15:24
ah, that's masak up there, too
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avuserow masak: code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ 15:31
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avuserow this is the nintendo operating system in javascript that I mentioned 15:31
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avuserow pmichaud: www.rust-lang.org/ <- this is rust, the language I mentioned regarding concurrency 15:32
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timotimo perlerlism :) 15:36
larry's voice is ridiculously loud and thus distorted 15:37
could anyone tell larry that?
TimToady: maybe you have your laptop open and can read this?
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dalek : 58c266c | (Tobias Leich)++ | / (4 files):
make `defined` a term, and allow oldschool sub-calls
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avuserow (also anyone interested in concurrency should look at rust) 15:40
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anocelot timotimo: TimToady says, "It's supposed to sound like the voice of God." 15:41
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timotimo hahaha 15:41
good answer
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timotimo there are posix signals in perl6? haven't seen them yet :( 15:48
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masak_ submits rakudobug 15:48
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PerlJam :-) 15:48
TimToady you're not the real masak!!!
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anocelot Patrick was almost right. masak vs masak_ . XD 15:49
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masak submits rakudobug 15:50
there. :)
anocelot XD
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TimToady you'll have to remove the one that masak_++ submitted 15:50
anocelot Now I just have to figure out how to type a hyperoperator in vim os OS X.
PerlJam anocelot: ^K << or ^K >>
anocelot: (I'm assuming that works on vim everywhere) 15:51
quietfanatic can't not read MMD as ミクミクダンス
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TimToady link? 15:52
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quietfanatic TimToady: ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/MikuMikuDance 15:53
anocelot PerlJam: I'm only getting ?. :(
benabik opt-\ = « and opt-shift-\ = »
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masak r: my $x = 0; my $result = 5 / $x; say "alive" 15:53
n: my $x = 0; my $result = 5 / $x; say "alive"
wow, freenode is really having a bad day.
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masak rn: my $x = 0; my $result = 5 / $x; say "alive" 15:53
camelia?
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camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«alive␤» 15:53
niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $result is declared but not used at /tmp/YoxqGQi41S line 1:␤------> my $x = 0; my ⏏$result = 5 / $x; say "alive"␤␤alive␤»
niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $result is declared but not used at /tmp/KX1DIzz8Eg line 1:␤------> my $x = 0; my ⏏$result = 5 / $x; say "alive"␤␤alive␤»
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«alive␤»
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masak hm. 15:54
anocelot »o« \o/
masak could someone help me reproduce pmichaud's bug, for the ticket?
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quietfanatic rn: my $zero = 0; my $value = 32 div $zero; say 'alive' 15:54
camelia niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $value is declared but not used at /tmp/t4nnfBLoy5 line 1:␤------> my $zero = 0; my ⏏$value = 32 div $zero; say 'alive'␤␤Unhandled exception: System.DivideByZeroException: Division by zero␤ at Builtins.divop (…
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Divide by zero␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3431␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3059␤ in block at /tmp/Nf7sWL1qpr:1␤␤»
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masak quietfanatic++ 15:55
timotimo is it perhaps being constantfolded?
quietfanatic rn: my $zero = eval '0'; my $value = 32 div $zero; say 'alive'
timotimo r: say "pre-alive"; my $zero = 0; my $value = 32 div $zero; say 'post-alive'
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Divide by zero␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3431␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3059␤ in block at /tmp/azTHVJBMwT:1␤␤»
..niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $value is declared but not used at /tmp/TdOsVNJQ40 line 1:␤------> my $zero = eval '0'; my ⏏$value = 32 div $zero; say 'alive'␤␤Unhandled exception: System.DivideByZeroException: Division by zero␤ at Builtins.d…
rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«pre-alive␤Divide by zero␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3431␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3059␤ in block at /tmp/23gK55SBTR:1␤␤»
timotimo oh, ok, at run time
TimToady sink context is not ignoring my maybe?
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quietfanatic unless the eval string gets constant folded, but I'd like the eval to return a Failure too then 15:55
TimToady shouldn't constant fold a variable 15:56
quietfanatic rn: my $zero = 0; my @a; @a.push: 32 div zero; say 'alive'
camelia niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'zero' used at line 1␤␤Potential difficulties:␤ $zero is declared but not used at /tmp/_mHPpRN1pF line 1:␤------> my ⏏$zero = 0; my @a; @a.push: 32 div zero; ␤␤Unhandled exception: Ch…
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared routine:␤ zero used at line 1␤␤»
quietfanatic rn: my $zero = 0; my @a; @a.push: 32 div $zero; say 'alive'
camelia niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.DivideByZeroException: Division by zero␤ at Builtins.divop (Niecza.Constants c, Int32 opc, Niecza.Variable a1, Niecza.Variable a2) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ␤ at CORE.c26cf685-4f14-44e0-b67a-d822a4eb048d.C1462infix:<di…
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Divide by zero␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3431␤ in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3059␤ in block at /tmp/DDl3be4vtr:1␤␤»
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timotimo any way to receive/handle posix signals on rakudo at the moment? 15:58
PerlJam TimToady: how do you know no one knows the answers until you've asked the questions? 16:00
TimToady: maybe someone knows the answer but doesn't know they know :)
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timotimo maybe he already asked everyone except you? :P 16:00
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masak how very Zhuangzi. 16:00
TimToady it's a Bayesian thing
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masak "How happy those fish look, swimming there in the river." 16:01
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masak "yeahbut -- you're not a fish; how do you know they're happy?" 16:01
"You're not *me* -- how do you know I don't know the fish are happy?"
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TimToady "Look at that fish over there; it has wires coming out of its brain!" 16:02
masak my favorite witty dialogue from millennia ago.
anocelot Do fish print their answers to standard trout?
PerlJam anocelot: heh
masak anocelot: ask mst.
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TimToady how am I supposed to pay attention to both of these thoughtstreams simultaneously? 16:03
PerlJam TimToady: parallelism!
The cursor on the screen looks like a little superscript something on the map 16:04
(well, it did until Pm moved it)
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sorear good * #perl6 16:12
masak oh hai sorear
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adu hi sorear 16:13
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sorear hi masak, adu 16:16
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ggoebel has anyone found a index of the streams and/or videos from yapcna? 16:17
timotimo you can search livestream.com for "yacp stream"
sorear yapc
timotimo indeed
anocelot Live streams? www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=TalkVideos
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ggoebel I'd pause jnthn's about halfway through before heading to bed... and woke up last night when the day 2 stream was reset to day 3... accompanied by a loud soundtrack 16:18
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sorear o/ DreamingInCode 16:19
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sorear o/ lizmat, labster 16:20
anocelot All this talk of slurpy and slushy stuff is making me thirsty. 16:22
sorear :D
labster \o sorear
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labster an icee sounds good now 16:23
timotimo i enjoyed that talk, pmichaud++ :) 16:26
labster pmichaud++ for getting us started on the topic
timotimo TimToady++ for amusing and also sometimes helpful interjections
FROGGS definitely, pmichaud++
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FROGGS if I hadn't enough projects I'd like to get into int 16:27
it*
ggoebel thanks 16:28
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ggoebel looks like it isn't possible to rewind to yesterday's streams... :-( 16:29
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timotimo ggoebel: the whole livestreaming.com system seems nice until you try it and find out that it doesn't actually work at all :( 16:29
ggoebel Here's to hoping someone releases the video for the individual talks later...
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timotimo surely will 16:31
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tadzik hello #perl6 :) 16:33
avuserow o/ 16:34
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tadzik what a day 16:34
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RedditAnalytics morning 16:36
timotimo hey tadzik
what about the day?
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tadzik it's been tad long, flying NYC->WAW 16:36
timotimo oh yeah
RedditAnalytics what is WAW
timotimo warsow? 16:37
er, wait, that's the video game
"Frederic Chopin Airport (WAW) Details - Poland"
tadzik yeah, that's it
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sorear o/ tadzik, timotimo, RedditAnalytics 16:43
RedditAnalytics \o 16:44
sorear tadzik: you left? :(
tadzik sorear: oh, yes. I didn't tell you?
sorry if I didn't. I had an exam ~2 hours ago, so really had to be in Poland
sorear maybe? you know how my memory is when I don't have my cybernetic augmentations handy 16:45
tadzik heh
but I remember you've been asking about my tiling WM during lightning talks the first day
my event-triggered memory tells me that
sorear yes
was wondering if that was my* xmonad :)
timotimo tiling wm? do tell :)
tadzik hehe. Nah, that's my i3 :)
timotimo oh, i3 16:46
are you a vim user per chance?
tadzik yeah, I am :)
not a hardcore vimer though
timotimo my super awesome perl6 presentation framework may be right up your alley :D
tadzik I'm hardly a poweruser of anything these days :)
oh yes, you told me about it :)
looking forward to seeing it
timotimo it uses i3 to snap a time-remaining graph to the bottom and switches focus between vim window and repl/terminal when needed
tadzik the only thing I know regarding vim and presentations is Vroom, which ingy uses 16:47
timotimo i'll have to repair my darn VM and then i can record a screencast
i've realised yesterday that i could drop the i3 requirement and use only tmux (currently it's i3 + tmux) 16:48
tadzik I never got around to try tmux 16:49
timotimo it's pretty excellent
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timotimo its support for commands is pretty great, its splits work so much better than screen splits 16:50
tadzik I only use screen so my irc session doesn't go down
I think tiling wms are superior to everything else :)
timotimo hehe
tadzik that's probably the main reason I run X
well, maybe not 16:51
benabik tmux is nice for switching between X and SSH.
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timotimo what's the comment in japhb's talk start with? 17:00
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timotimo something about the forest fire benchmark being OO in perl6 and imperative in perl5? 17:01
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[Coke] masak: even if you could cut and paste the code from pmichaud's talk, RT would still break-format it for you. 17:37
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[Coke] needs to just not look at any news coming out of yapc for a week. 17:45
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nwc10 did something else awesome happen? 17:57
timotimo i'm failing to install rakudo::debugger: "error:imcc:loadlib directive could not find library `perl6_group` 17:58
" huh?
[Coke] timotimo: did you install rakudo ? 17:59
timotimo huh, now i'm getting "cannot find perl6::BOOTSTRAP" in any of: ...
right after i make install'd it :|
timotimo clean-slates it as much as possible 18:00
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timotimo how long until we can just use rakudo-jvm to build our rakudo-parrot setting, so that it takes less time? :| 18:06
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nwc10 timotimo: "the best way to predict the future is to invent^Whack on it" 18:12
timotimo hum. 18:13
nwc10 It might be possible already. In that, you'd need an NQP that cross-compiles from JVM to Parrot
and NQP is already capable of self-hosting on JVM
so it might also be capable of being a cross compiler
but I've no idea how to try to hack it to be one
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nwc10 or it might not, because it might be that the PIR output steps rely on code written in PIR 18:14
timotimo right.
i just rm-rf'd install/ and make'd a new parrot and nqp and rakudo, but i still get the "loadlib directive could not find library perl6_group" - what's going wrong?
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flussence aw nuts, I completely forgot to tune in today. 18:21
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timotimo masak: "good idea" wins out due to LTM semantics 18:30
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timotimo what's the best practice of naming your classes with or without the pieces and the ::s and such? 18:30
like, in my lib/Game/DiceConquest/Field.pm, would i name my class DiceConquest::Field or maybe Field or maybe even Game::DiceConquest::Field? 18:31
sorear good * #perl6
colomon o/
sorear timotimo: you may be interested in git clean -dfx
timotimo oh 18:32
i removed a bit more than i'd hoped
well, shouldn't have put my stuff in there :P 18:33
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dalek p: 609c1f7 | jonathan++ | src/vm/parrot/ops/nqp.ops:
Fix uninitialized memory access.
 18:35
sorear o/ japhb_ 18:39
timotimo japhb_++ # liked your talk
sorear japhb_++
colomon japhb_++ # absolutely, plus it seems like a great toolkit for more benchmarks 18:40
timotimo so, the lib/foo/bar/baz.pm will decide how i spell the location in "use" statements and when i say class baz; it will be exported as "baz"; if i write "class foo::bar::baz", it'll be exported with that name, but i could even write "class Something::Entirely::Different", right?
sorear right. 18:41
timotimo good, that gives me some clarity
sorear I think there might be Issues though
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sorear rindolf! 18:41
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rindolf sorear: hi. 18:42
Hi all.
[Coke] what's in a higher position?
timotimo OH! 18:43
wow
i've found out how to make the one-ear-only sound from the livestream.com thingie sound relly really good
sorear rindolf: I'm sitting next to jnthn, FROGGS, lizmat, woolfy, colomon, japhb_, and pmichaud, listening to masak. Where are you?
timotimo in windows 7 at least; right-click on the volume thingie, open your "playback devices" menu
select your speakers or whatever and click "properties" and then
enhancements -> "headphone virtualization" 18:44
rindolf sorear: at home - dealing with an Apache Jakarta package (apache fop) build problem.
They package Java binaries into the freaking source distribution. WTF?
sorear can make as much sense as packaging configure binaries 18:45
flussence *triple* /e?! 18:46
timotimo can you explain in simple terms what /e did in perl5? 18:47
sorear s/foo/bar/ = s[foo] = 'bar';
jnthn I triple /e when I parse floating point
sorear s/foo/bar/e = s[foo] = bar;
flussence s/$foo/$bar/e evals $bar
sorear s/foo/bar/ee = s[foo] = eval bar;
sergot hi ! o/
flussence s///ee, I've never actually gotten desperate enough to use that :)
sorear actually /e is not an eval, it's much closer to s[foo] =bar 18:49
it compiles to a loop, no runtime parsing
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colomon tadzik: %log{$p} = gen-result($! // 'chocolate cake'); # ???? 18:50
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[Coke] jnthn: I saw that pun. thbbbthp 18:56
jnthn: you really made me hit the ceil with that one.
timotimo masak could use :!perl6 % 18:57
colomon the advantages of having much of the p6 team in the room to catch your livecoding typos...
flussence hey, that's 9 lines of dots
timotimo :D
flussence ooh 18:58
here it comes
timotimo great thing he has a test for it!
flussence I wonder if he did 9 intentionally to make it fail...
jnthn [Coke]: :D
timotimo as in: the grammar is the test for the test case :δ
:D
jnthn: gaaaaaah you are a bad bad man :D :D :D 18:59
FROGGS flussence++ 19:00
timotimo flussence++ :)
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sorear is sqirrel here? 19:01
(atn FROGGS)
sqirrel Yes here
sorear here=yapc::na 19:03
sqirrel No here in good old germany :-) 19:04
woolfy Two Perl 6 related Tuits available since this morning 08:00! Rakudo Tuits en MoarVM Tuits are now easily available in both buildings at YAPC::NA.
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pmichaud "direactly" :) 19:05
is that like reacting twice? 19:06
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timotimo wow, that's so fast 19:07
flussence haha, chrome of all things taking 10 times longer than perl6 to render a html file 19:08
colomon tadzik: ping?
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flussence masak++ 19:14
colomon masak++ 19:15
timotimo oh, interesting, in stream 1 somebody is currently showing "hey, look, let's put array dereferencing at the end like $x->foo_bar->@$" and i'm thinking "that's like in perl6!" :) 19:17
ah, that person is aware of perl6
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nwc10 timotimo: that person's IRC client is on this channel 19:18
timotimo masak: you're teaching perl and similar things; but could you teach how to be a good person like you are? :3
indeed it is! :)
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timotimo incidentally currently interested in learning something about AngularJS 19:22
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colomon \o 19:23
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flussence you know what'd be cool? A way to have that first typo throw an error saying "failed on line 8 char 8, got "\n..."... instead of $" 19:24
timotimo awwaiid: HELLO :)
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colomon flussence: it can't do that (yet?) but it would also be pretty easy to track down using the grammar tracer and/or debugger 19:25
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timotimo flussence: maybe it'd work if you used ^ ~ $ <line>+ 19:26
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timotimo well, <line> ** 8 actually 19:26
r: say "";
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«␤»
timotimo r: "foo␤foo␤foo␤foo␤foo" ~~ / ^ ~ $ [...] ** 4 % \n / 19:27
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Unable to parse expression in ; couldn't find final $␤ in any FAILGOAL at src/stage2/QRegex.nqp:1037␤ in regex at /tmp/jaZGu2Np3p:5␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:10509␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:683␤ in block at /tmp/jaZGu2Np3p:1…
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diakopte1 . 19:27
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timotimo that's *kinda* better (but it would still only give a False in the test case) 19:27
flussence hm... I wonder how easy it'd be to keep a list of the last dozen or so successful subrule matches in a branch, and return a "stacktrace" of those at the moment it decides to return a failed match. 19:28
nwc10 timotimo: I think that the NQP-JVM cross compiler was (still) using a native Java library to output bytecode, so I think that it would be viable to do something similar in reverse
timotimo hm, like with a high water mark in the rakudo perl6-grammar?
nwc10 have NQP-JVM spit out PIR (or serialise PAST)
and then run something on parrot for the very last stage that converts that to PBC
timotimo mhm 19:29
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masak the question I got -- "How is it that you're so awesome?" -- made me flustered enough that I missed the obvious (and correct) answer: it's not me. it's Perl 6. 19:31
timotimo wow, the cursor has afterglow
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masak ...and if *you* program in Perl 6, you will be awesome, too! :D 19:32
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flussence rn: multi infix:<%>($lhs, $rhs) is looser<xx> { $lhs.join: $rhs }; say '........' xx 8 % "\n" 19:32
colomon \o/
camelia niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........␤»
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Cannot call 'trait_mod:<is>'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U $child, Mu:U $parent)␤:(Mu:U $type, :rw(:$rw)!)␤:(Mu:U $type, :nativesize(:$nativesize)!)␤:(Mu:U $type, :hidden(:$hidden)!)␤:(Mu:U $type, *%fail)␤:(Attribute:D $attr…
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PerlJam masak: that's very perlian ... humble and hubris in the same sentence :) 19:33
timotimo flussence: &infix:<xx> instead
flussence ah
masak PerlJam: yes!
well, au++ once famously said "it's not me, it's Haskell+Parsec".
(though unlike me, au actually *is* awesome...) 19:34
flussence rn: multi infix:<%>($lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { $lhs.join: $rhs }; say '........' xx 8 % "\n"
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........␤»
timotimo that's cute.
masak .oO( ausome )
flussence those \s'es should be \n's...
colomon that doesn't seem to have worked? 19:35
flussence rn: multi infix:<%>($lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { $lhs.join: $rhs }; say ('........' xx 8) % "\n"
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤»
timotimo yeah, because of $ instead of @
colomon oh, nevermind
timotimo for the $lhs ;)
flussence rn: multi infix:<%>(@lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { @lhs.join: $rhs }; say '........' xx 8 % "\n"
camelia niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.DivideByZeroException: Division by zero␤ at (wrapper managed-to-native) object:__icall_wrapper___emul_lrem (long,long)␤ at Builtins.mod (Niecza.Constants c, Niecza.Variable a1, Niecza.Variable a2) [0x00000] in <filename unknow…
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«␤»
masak timotimo: should still work, no?
timotimo not 100% sure. i know nothing about perl6 :P 19:36
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colomon tadzik: emmentaler is completely borked. 19:39
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moritz r: multi infix:<%>(@lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { @lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 % "\n" ) 19:39
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«␤»
moritz r: multi infix:<%>(@lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { @lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 % "\n" ).perl
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«().list␤»
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moritz r: multi infix:<%>(@lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { say "custom op"; @lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 % "\n" ).perl 19:40
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«().list␤»
timotimo aha!
flussence rn: say 8 % "\n"
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«0␤»
..niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.DivideByZeroException: Division by zero␤ at (wrapper managed-to-native) object:__icall_wrapper___emul_lrem (long,long)␤ at Builtins.mod (Niecza.Constants c, Niecza.Variable a1, Niecza.Variable a2) [0x00000] in <filename unknow…
flussence seems like «is looser» is getting ignored?
FROGGS r: multi infix:<%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { say "custom op"; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 % "\n" ).perl 19:41
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«custom op␤("........", "........", "........", "........", "........", "........", "........", "........").list␤»
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masak so, why doesn't it work for @lhs ? 19:43
timotimo r: multi infix:<%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { say "custom op"; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( infix:<xx>('........' xx 8, "\n") ).perl
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«().list␤»
moritz r: multi infix:<%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { say lhs.perl; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 % "\n" ) 19:44
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«8␤........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........␤»
timotimo r: multi infix:<%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) { say "custom op"; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( infix:<xx>('........' xx 8, "\n") ).perl
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«().list␤»
moritz lhs.perl says 8? 19:45
timotimo seems so
moritz ah, I know what's going on
quietfanatic r: multi infix:<%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) { say "custom op"; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( infix:<%>('........' xx 8, "\n") ).perl
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«custom op␤"........\n........\n........\n........\n........\n........\n........\n........"␤»
timotimo oh, facepalm.
moritz since there's already an infix %, you can't define a new one with a different precedence 19:46
flussence oh!
moritz so the precedence spec is simply ignored
quietfanatic oh, I think it'd be nice if you could do that
timotimo traits can be applied to the proto only?
quietfanatic or wait, is it because it's installing it as a multi?
timotimo can only be applied to the proto*
quietfanatic I see
benabik Multis with different precedence is probably a bad idea.
moritz r: sub infix:<%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { say lhs.perl; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 % "\n" )
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«8␤........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........␤»
moritz r: sub infix:<%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) { say lhs.perl; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 % "\n" ) 19:47
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«8␤........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........␤»
quietfanatic r: sub infix:<%%%>(\lhs, Str $rhs) is looser(&infix:<xx>) { say lhs.perl; lhs.join: $rhs }; say ( '........' xx 8 %%% "\n" )
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«("........", "........", "........", "........", "........", "........", "........", "........").list␤........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤........␤»
quietfanatic you're right
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masak could there maybe be a warning if you try to override the precedence? 19:49
sorear o/
masak it feels wrongish that it just throws it away.
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timotimo benabik: i was thinking about your comment of mmaping the .pbc; the format inside the core setting pbc at least doesn't really lend itself to sharing or often-accessing, because there's stuff that's still got to be deserialized :( 19:50
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timotimo so maybe it *would* be better to open it once and then throwing it away 19:50
flussence I'm thinking it should be fatal, not warning. I mean, it's going to cause a misparse in that case anyway. 19:51
colomon masak: I think an error, even
timotimo it may very well be, that rakudo only has 300 mb run time memory consumption because it mmaps all those .pbc files
that would make me sadface
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colomon: better? :)
colomon masak++
benabik timotimo: That wouldn't change loading it normally. Parrot won't throw away the string constants.
flussence
.oO( maybe it should allow it and autothread over all possible valid parses... )
colomon is the channel message passing .ask now instead of tell ? 19:52
timotimo OK
sorear .ask or .tell
yoleaux sorear: I'll pass your message to or.
colomon sorear++
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colomon .ask tadzik Line 45 of smoker (emmentaler) is $panda.ecosystem.project-get-state($x) ne 'absent' -- surely that should be eq instead of ne? Otherwise we only test modules which are not in the ecoysystem. 19:53
yoleaux colomon: I'll pass your message to tadzik.
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or boo 19:53
yoleaux 19:52Z <sorear> or: .tell
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nwc10 now does the nickserv do something very stupid... 19:54
colomon .ask tadzik Also, something else seems to be borked in panda, because $panda.ecosystem.project-get-state($x) is returning "installed" for a module which panda does not report as installed.
yoleaux colomon: I'll pass your message to tadzik.
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Util r: say -<< (1, 3, 5); 19:59
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«-1 -3 -5␤»
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Util r: 19:59
r: say -« 1, 3, 5;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«-135␤»
Util r: say -« (1, 3, 5);
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«-1 -3 -5␤»
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timotimo i see a jnthn! this is gonna be great fun! :) 20:02
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colomon .ask tadzik or it's possible that I do have it installed, and reporting it not installed from the panda list command was the error? I am confused. 20:05
yoleaux colomon: I'll pass your message to tadzik.
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timotimo r: class Pt { has $.x; has $.y; method new($x, $y) { self.bless(*, :$x, :$y) } }; say (\(-1,0), \(1,0), \(0,-1), \(0,1))>>.&Pt::new; 20:06
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«No such method 'Any' for invocant of type 'Capture'␤ in method dispatch:<hyper> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1097␤ in block at /tmp/KGlOysWUU_:1␤␤»
masak ++jnthn is about to start his talk in 2.102
timotimo should something like that work?
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PerlJam supports jnthn's talk from Ovid's talk 20:06
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timotimo gaaaah, train puns :D 20:07
masak :D
so I presume the streaming works :P 20:08
timotimo masak: are your gloves medical or cosmetical?
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masak timotimo: my hands hurt and itch without them. 20:08
timotimo they still look kinda good, though :P
masak timotimo: winter is over, so I thankfull no longer need hand lotion.
timotimo: these gloves are real biking gloves. they've been to .nz :)
timotimo oh, that's the picture with the ... yeah
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timotimo oh, wait, is jnthn going to introduce a new debugger? for nqp perhaps? 20:09
there's *always* a catch with jnthns talks :3
colomon masak: I completely zoned on that. Here now.
masak timotimo: do you also see IRC on my screen in the streaming? :)
timotimo do you sit directly in front of where jnthn stands? 20:10
masak yes.
timotimo i don't actually see your gloves there, i saw them in your talks
colomon sorear: TimToady was referencing the thing where someone took a picture of masak, etc posted from a hackathon and used it to illustrate an article about how computer people needed to learn to dress better.
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masak timotimo: oh! 20:10
flussence down in front! we're trying to read masak's screen!
sorear oh, right.
timotimo your monitor contents are not visible on the stream, but the edge of it is visible
masak :)
sorear masak: hear that? need to adjust monitor for visibility 20:11
masak sorear: not sure whether to show it or to hide it... :P
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flussence
.oO( I wonder what the round-trip time on this is )
 20:14
oh wait, there's a clock right on the big screen there. 2 seconds-ish 20:15
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sorear is jnthn's clock NTP-synced? 20:16
colomon rn: say "ratings" min 25 20:17
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«25␤»
colomon rn: sasy +"ratings"
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camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared routine:␤ sasy used at line 1. Did you mean '&say'?␤␤» 20:17
..niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'sasy' used at line 1␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1502 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 36) ␤ at /hom…
colomon rn: say +"ratings"
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot convert string to number: base-10 number must begin with valid digits or '.' in '⏏ratings' (indicated by ⏏)␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10161␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:893␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11047␤ in block a…
..niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Cannot parse number: ratings␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1514 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3664 (ANON @ 10) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3666 (NumSyntax.str2num @ 5) …
sorear nqp syntax errors are a bit noisy. 20:18
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timotimo jnthn: it would be sweet if there were more coarse-grained stepping inside regexes, maybe "run until the 10th character is successfully nommed" or something 20:20
RedditAnalytics i have a very alpha reddit search up. dev.redditanalytics.com/search ... you can put perl in for a query and see some cool stuff
it's rather slow though
sorear perl 6?
:):)
timotimo did not hear that comment from the audience at all :( 20:21
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RedditAnalytics: is that Perl 6 running? 20:22
timotimo r: class Blub { method Str { "dog" } }; my %foo; %foo{Blub.new} = "hello"; say %foo;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«("dog" => "hello").hash␤»
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sorear timotimo: I asked why it didn't step into ws 20:22
RedditAnalytics there is one module in perl 6 ... two modules in perl 5 .. rewriting everything to Perl 6 20:23
masak RedditAnalytics++!
timotimo ah, ok.
masak RedditAnalytics: you are a model to us all.
sorear o/ labster
dalek pan style="color: #395be5">perl6-examples: da7a4ed | (David Warring)++ | parsers/CSSGrammar.pm:
added missing '~=' and '|=' attrib tokens; redordered <expr> terms; use '(' ~ ')' paren matching idiom
timotimo RedditAnalytics: you are a cool person :)
RedditAnalytics \o/
sorear RedditAnalytics =? David Warring 20:24
masak r: grammar G { rule TOP { f [ 'oo' ] } }; say so G.parse("f oo")
timotimo i wonder if jnthns beard is just getting gray in a very fortunate pattern of it it's styled to look like that
RedditAnalytics the server has 1 gig .. so search is slow (even with sphinx search) .. but getting a 32 gig server shortly
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«True␤»
masak if I understand correctly, the above shouldn't parse.
RedditAnalytics nope
TimToady timotimo: it's natural
timotimo that's so cool.
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TimToady well, though iiuc it's related to why he can't see very well too, so not so cool 20:25
I guess everything has its advantages and disadvantages :)
timotimo oh, was not aware of that :(
masak timotimo: you probably wouldn't get that shade of white if you just tried to dye it.
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TimToady I could certainly be wrong about that though 20:25
it also seems to make jnthn++ very intelligent :) 20:26
masak TimToady: it sounds reasonable enough.
sorear feh, now I'm curious
masak (the beard<->eyesight relation, I mean)
both have to do with pigments.
sorear jnthn: is this some really fun thing with a page on OMIM?
sorear does not expect a prompt response 20:27
timotimo what's OMIM?
sorear www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/omim 20:28
it's an encyclopedia of genetic disorders. 'online mendelian inheritance in man'
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timotimo masak: although i should know better, i'm still astounded that some kind of 'defect' will lead to a pattern like that 20:28
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dalek rl6-roast-data: afef10c | coke++ | / (4 files):
today (automated commit)
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pmichaud "Perl 6 is kind of interesting, as in 'weird'." 20:31
I think Larry is kind of interesting also. :-P
timotimo pmichaud: you're the one on the kind of far right side? 20:32
dalek kudo-star-daily: 4e8ae7a | coke++ | log/ (5 files):
today (automated commit)
[Coke] yay, random failure in yesterday's r* run is gone, all modules are clean.
timotimo the head/hair shape seems to match, but i can't see your laptop
sorear yay!
pmichaud yes, I'm on the right side
colomon apparently needs to try out the debugger *and* macros. maybe even at the same time.
sorear colomon: :D 20:33
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pmichaud "frightfully right" 20:35
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timotimo indeed, the way things tend to "just work" inside perl6 and rakudo amazes me often 20:35
pmichaud masak++ 20:36
pmichaud wonders about "frightfullyright.org"
timotimo hah, whoops, really random number 20:37
`patch` colomon: gist.github.com/patch/5717017 20:38
colomon `patch`++
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colomon `patch`: this is great stuff. 20:41
[Coke] timotimo: you need to move up on the adoption curve where things jus---wtf, compiler error?
timotimo r: class Foo {}; role Bar {}; my $a = Foo.new(); say $a.^roles; say ($a but Bar).^roles;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«␤(Bar)␤»
timotimo useful! <3
[Coke] divshot.github.io/geo-bootstrap/ - this may be the single most awesome twitter bootstrap theme I've ever had the privelege of seeing. 20:42
quietfanatic [Coke]: +1 20:43
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timotimo <3 20:43
sorear snrk 20:45
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[Coke] my boss just forwarded it to us. I think we may hold this back as an easter egg on some future application. 20:46
timotimo i showed it to a friend and his comment was "it's already in production in $product"
sorear idea: step by ast node. (may require targetted recompilation to be efficient)
idea: data breakpoints (mixes a role into a container) 20:47
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timotimo r: class Foo { method yoink { say "yoink } }; role Bar { method yoink { say "bar" } }; Foo.new.yoink; (Foo.new but Bar).yoink; 20:50
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse expression in double quotes; couldn't find final '"'␤at /tmp/9rkXdjadBU:1␤------> Foo.new.yoink; (Foo.new but Bar).yoink;⏏<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ st…
timotimo r: class Foo { method yoink { say "yoink" } }; role Bar { method yoink { say "bar" } }; Foo.new.yoink; (Foo.new but Bar).yoink; 20:51
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«yoink␤bar␤»
timotimo ah, neat
just like i'd hoped
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timotimo r: sub nothing { }; for nothing -> $x { say $x }; 20:55
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/TP2q8HnHeu:1␤------> othing { }; for nothing -> $x { say $x }⏏;␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ statement modifier␤ statement modifier loop␤ ho…
timotimo r: sub nothing { }; for nothing() -> $x { say $x };
camelia rakudo b2072f: ( no output )
timotimo r: class Foo { method yoink { say "yoink" } }; role Bar { method yoink { say "bar"; nextsame; } }; Foo.new.yoink; (Foo.new but Bar).yoink;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«yoink␤bar␤yoink␤»
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timotimo all of this is cool. 20:56
masak jnthn++
timotimo has found what looks like a use case from afar; i haven't used something like that in any non-toy code yet
jnthn++ good talk, nice examples :)
masak pmichaud: frightfullyright.org is yours if you want it ;)
timotimo a texas hat! 20:59
(which probably has an actual name)
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timotimo the lbj auditorium has relaxation exercises? that's pretty cool 21:00
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timotimo an artist made sweet carricature pictures of lots and lots and lots of attendees? 21:09
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sorear timotimo: yes, at the game night/banquet 21:10
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timotimo yapc is obviously a very cool event 21:11
FROGGS timotimo: ohh yes, it is 21:12
timotimo hm, is there a use case for trusting only one instance of a class? 21:13
r: class Human { }; class Dog { has Human $.owner; trusts $!owner }; # like this 21:14
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Variable $!owner used where no 'self' is available␤at /tmp/RAF7prihl9:1␤------> Dog { has Human $.owner; trusts $!owner⏏ }; # like this␤»
timotimo is this talk going to be loud again? :) 21:16
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FROGGS timotimo: mst's talk follow all the same structure and loudness :o) 21:18
sorear timotimo: it's mst, loud is a foregone conclusion
timotimo it's the second mst talk i've "attended"
sorear timotimo: yapcs are awesome, pls come
timotimo i'm just a poor student, i won't be able to attend faraway yapcs 21:19
sorear not sure I'm making it to Kiev this year, but jnthn and friends will be, and I'll surely be at na2014
pmichaud yapcs are by far the most-value-for-cost conferences I've ever attended
FROGGS timotimo: what about kiev?
pmichaud timotimo: see "Send a Newbie"
anocelot timotimo: Instantiating something to hold class attributes/methods?
pmichaud timotimo: there is often funding to send first-time folks (especially poor students) to yapcs
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sorear quietfanatic! 21:19
timotimo oooh
quietfanatic hello
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pmichaud might be too late for yapc::eu funding, but do a search and maybe you can find something 21:21
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sorear quietfanatic: i forget, are you louis or aron? 21:21
quietfanatic I'm lewis
sorear Larry: "That's our scheme: 21:22
masak: "In Perl 6!" 21:23
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timotimo kiev is airplane-range, i think 21:23
i have no idea how much such things cost
sorear from here too
FROGGS timotimo: opodo.de and find out 21:24
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sorear San Diego, CA, US <-> Kiev is going to be about $1800 21:24
USD
timotimo which of the kiev airports would be good?
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pmichaud timotimo: www.send-a-newbie.enlightenedperl.org/ 21:24
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timotimo cheapest seems to be like 300 euros 21:26
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sorear timotimo: sounds about right. is that one-way? 21:28
timotimo it *seems* to be both-ways 21:30
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sorear pretty good 21:31
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timotimo my $neighbourcount = [+] %bitfield{$coord.neighbours}; - this makes me happy (i hope it actually works, too) 21:31
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sorear "bitfield"? not using +|/+& ? 21:32
timotimo hm, i think it'll give me something like this:
r: my %bf = KeyBag.new(); %bf<a b c d> = True; say [+] %bf<a b c d e f g h>; 21:33
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Odd number of elements found where hash expected␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:7023␤ in block at /tmp/Kop454oBXu:1␤␤»
timotimo ah, that's not how you do KeyBags.
r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Nil in numeric context in block at /tmp/A83BATo84t:1␤␤use of uninitialized value of type Nil in numeric context in block at /tmp/A83BATo84t:1␤␤use of uninitialized value of type Nil in numeric context in block at /tmp/A83BAT…
timotimo but i can :exists! 21:34
r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>:exists;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Nil in numeric context in block at /tmp/88gWRp2wjX:1␤␤use of uninitialized value of type Nil in numeric context in block at /tmp/88gWRp2wjX:1␤␤use of uninitialized value of type Nil in numeric context in block at /tmp/88gWRp…
quietfanatic That second line doesn't work
$bf<a b c d> is four values but True is only one.
timotimo ah, good point.
r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>:exists;
sorear timotimo: ooc, where are you geographically?
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«4␤»
timotimo sorear: karlsruhe, germany
quietfanatic: thank you! 21:35
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quietfanatic You're welcome 21:35
TimToady :exists is specced to work on only one value, but maybe that's too restrictive
there are other failure modes if we do the other way though
people expecting implicit all() or any() semantics
timotimo oh
let's introduce :exists vs :exist (not really) 21:36
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timotimo TimToady: can you suggest something that's to spec and still concise? 21:36
TimToady not while someone is shouting in my ear :)
timotimo r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say $bf<a b c d e f g h>>>// False; 21:38
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing << or >>␤at /tmp/OTPVC66Nyb:1␤------> True xx *; say $bf<a b c d e f g h>>>//⏏ False;␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤»
timotimo r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say $bf<a b c d e f g h>>>.// False;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix > instead␤at /tmp/15kskzxig6:1␤------> = True xx *; say $bf<a b c d e f g h>>>.⏏// False;␤»
TimToady ».so or some such maybe
timotimo r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say $bf<a b c d e f g h> >>//>> False;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«True True True True 0 0 0 0␤»
timotimo er ... close enough?!
r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say $bf<a b c d e f g h> >>||>> False;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«True True True True False False False False␤»
quietfanatic r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [&&] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«0␤»
quietfanatic hm no
timotimo "use moose" sounds funny 21:39
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TimToady r: my $bf = KeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>».so 21:43
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«4␤»
timotimo sounds good.
thank
>>.so>>.Int :P
the perl6 people don't share cpan yet :( 21:44
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TimToady r: say True + True 21:44
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«2␤»
pmichaud timotimo: things are getting there, though
TimToady don't need the .Int
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timotimo TimToady: that's true, [+] will coerce 21:45
quietfanatic class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (|$c) { return self.KeyBag::postcircumfix:<{ }>(|$c)».so }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
TimToady perhaps not for 1 argument though...
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (|$c) { return self.KeyBag::postcircumfix:<{ }>(|$c)».so }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Obsolete use of | or \ with sigil on param $c␤===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse expression in block; couldn't find final '}'␤at /tmp/C4dVHiIKn5:1␤------> True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>⏏<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ po…
TimToady nr: say [+] 'foo'; 21:46
camelia niecza v24-66-gaee6525: OUTPUT«foo␤»
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot convert string to number: base-10 number must begin with valid digits or '.' in '⏏foo' (indicated by ⏏)␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10161␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:893␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11047␤ in block at /tmp…
TimToady okay, niecza cheats :)
timotimo oh.
quietfanatic okay how do capture arguments work now
s/arguments/parameters
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timotimo what does Hallway++ refer to? 21:47
pmichaud www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&...0653,d.aWc 21:48
aiigh
shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/hwppna-2013/
there
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TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { return self.KeyBag::postcircumfix:<{ }>(c)».so }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h> 21:48
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse expression in block; couldn't find final '}'␤at /tmp/9HQtRuCiRq:1␤------> True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>⏏<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ statement …
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { return self.KeyBag::postcircumfix:<{ }>(c)».so } }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h> 21:49
TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { return self.KeyBag::postcircumfix:<{ }>(c)».so }; } my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:5427␤ in block at /tmp/GQ4jFudXoj:1␤␤»
rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/7HoOTzkEvf:1␤------> KeyBag::postcircumfix:<{ }>(c)».so }; } ⏏my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> ␤ expecting any of:␤ method arguments␤ postfix␤ statement end␤…
TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { return self.KeyBag::postcircumfix:<{ }>(c)».so }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:5427␤ in block at /tmp/6I8nKYt7CC:1␤␤»
timotimo ah, it's being explained now
TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { return callwith(c)».so }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h> 21:52
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'postcircumfix:<{ }>'; none of these signatures match:␤:(: Mu *%_)␤:(: :p(:$p)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :k(:$k)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :kv(:$kv)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :v(:$v)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :BIND(:$BIND)!, Mu *%_)␤:(\SELF: $key, Mu *%_)␤:(\SELF: $key, Mu \$BIND, Mu *%_)␤:(\SELF: $k…
TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { return callsame».so }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:5427␤ in block at /tmp/gGJvqavhIw:1␤␤»
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quietfanatic I smell a bug. 21:53
lue Huh. My local copy of S02-bits.pod has the second Twigil section mention just the part about interpolation, but the one on perlcabal.org/syn still holds the exact copy of the first Twigil section 21:54
TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { return callsame[]».so }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:5427␤ in block at /tmp/LskjzsLpmd:1␤␤»
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) is rw { return callsame».so }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h> 21:56
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:5427␤ in block at /tmp/_iAvYmzfjx:1␤␤»
quietfanatic ah, I see
FROGGS can#t believe it, I'm older than mst >.<
quietfanatic This won't work without variable proxies.
Do we still not have those?
TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method at_key (\c) { return callsame.so }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h> 21:57
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:5427␤ in block at /tmp/MlrjA6jzHk:1␤␤»
quietfanatic well, maybe not, depending
The problem is the ».so removes containerhood 21:58
TimToady r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method at_key (\c) is rw { return callsame.so }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
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camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method STORE at src/gen/CORE.setting:5427␤ in block at /tmp/F4LCwNCedA:1␤␤» 21:58
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method at_key (\c) is rw { return callsame }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>».so 21:59
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«4␤»
timotimo about time i write some tests for my code here ...
lue thinks the synopsis html generators are running. feather.perl6.nl's S02 is outdated in the second Twigils section too.
quietfanatic contrast with this. It's the .so returning immutable results that causes the problem
lue *aren't
TimToady "If at first you don't succeed, suck until you do succeed." --Arnold Wall 22:00
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method at_key (\c) is rw { callsame //= 0; return callsame }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Null regex not allowed␤at /tmp/v5xt27rMeu:1␤------> { method at_key (\c) is rw { callsame //⏏= 0; return callsame }; }; my $bf = Auto␤»
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method at_key (\c) is rw { callsame() //= 0; return callsame }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h> 22:01
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«postcircumfix:<{ }> not defined for type AutoKeyBag␤ in method <anon> at src/gen/CORE.setting:10166␤ in any at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:2504␤ in any find_method_fallback at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:2492␤ in any find_method at src/gen/Metamodel.nqp:939␤ in method ST…
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) { callsame() //= 0; return callsame }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h>
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in block at /tmp/xHo0TXTMQm:1␤␤»
timotimo hallway++ seems pretty rad
quietfanatic r: class AutoKeyBag is KeyBag { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (\c) is rw { callsame() //= 0; return callsame }; }; my $bf = AutoKeyBag.new(); $bf<a b c d> = True xx *; say [+] $bf<a b c d e f g h> 22:02
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in block at /tmp/JueZbbbFG9:1␤␤»
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timotimo so, xx will evaluate its LHS multiple times, interesting 22:04
r: say "foo" xx 2;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«foo foo␤»
timotimo what's the escape hatch?
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[Coke] r: say {say 3} xx 3; 22:09
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Block.new() Block.new() Block.new()␤»
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timotimo is the gong gonged when the person is ready or is the timing just very good on most of those talks? 22:21
FROGGS they gong too when the speaker finishes 22:22
timotimo yeah, that makes more sense
if you want to use rules, you should get a perl6 compiler :3 22:23
FROGGS :o)
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FROGGS damnit, something is slowing down building v5 by factor 3 or so 22:23
timotimo you are not on AC, so your machine is using the powersave governor? 22:24
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FROGGS timotimo: I have AC here 22:24
timotimo hm. 22:25
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FROGGS I guess I'll first bisect this 22:30
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timotimo what am i missing in the lbj? 22:34
mst lightning talks
diakopter why missing?
timotimo i'm watching the stream and someone yelled "code of conduct!"
apparently at something happening off-cam
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pmichaud there was a bit of a hugfest at stage left 22:34
(camera right) 22:35
timotimo ah, so the "code of conduct!" invocation was really just a joke?
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pmichaud yes 22:35
mst your sarcasm detector appears to be faulty
flussence nah, it's just calibrated for different geography :) 22:36
timotimo for $f!Field::spawn-pellets() ⏏-> $pc { ← "two terms in a row" at the -> - am i doing private method invocation wrongly? 22:37
mst: your comment about why you have a windows machine was about the thinkpad instant-system-reinstallation button? i only heard the first few seconds of it on stream 22:38
flussence I heard it as "multi screen works properly"
mst timotimo: it was about "the bundled thinkpad tools talk to projectors very nicely"
timotimo oh, ok
RedditAnalytics they need to come out with a laptop that has three screens that fold out. I know they can do it 22:39
geekosaur I thought someone had already. was expensive and fragile as hell though
flussence after seeing that last one give up with X I don't blame mst :)
timotimo oh goard; it even asked me "previous line missing a semicolon?" and that's the mistake i made 22:41
RedditAnalytics wow man .. that's just ... bad. I've NEVER made that mistake. And a missing bracket? Never. 22:42
timotimo :D 22:43
haha, PiPE is cute. maybe it could be implemented as a slang nicely 22:44
RedditAnalytics about to benchmark how long it takes Perl 6 to parse 1.2 billion records 22:48
flussence see you next christmas :D
RedditAnalytics is that when v1.0 is ready?
:)
timotimo that's just "christmas" 22:49
pmichaud ..."with Moar love, baby!"
timotimo i did something wrong in my code, what a surprise :P
(so slow code, too) 22:50
i've been asked if i'd like to attend the next functional programming group session locally; with perl6 everything's possible %) 22:51
RedditAnalytics as an aside, I am amazed at the percentage of mobile requests compared to computers. Now every site has to have formatting for both 22:54
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Guest9549 anyone here? 23:03
timotimo oooh, the $_ superman shirt looks cool 23:04
hey guest
Guest9549 how are u?
timotimo i'm fine. how can i help you? 23:05
also, how are you? :)
Guest9549 I'm good too... just checking things out
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timotimo so this was a call to use more dependency injection compatible things? 23:08
(i'm watching the YAPCNA stream right now, for context) 23:09
mst mostly, yeah
this would be much easier if you were in #yapc on irc.perl.org 23:10
tash 02 :o)
timotimo well, i am now
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timotimo that was a short visit 23:18
flussence picks self up off floor
FROGGS *g* 23:19
garu, my man \o/
garu++
timotimo keynote animations! 23:20
FROGGS >.< 23:25
timotimo m)
these people are amusing
flame war time! ;) 23:26
such telling laughs :) 23:27
wait, what? in method nuke-field at src/gen/CORE.setting:446 23:28
i don't think i put that there
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flussence That was all friggin' awesome. 23:34
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RedditAnalytics ahhh just typed my instead of var in javascript. 23:38
huf it always comes out as int for me ;) 23:39
[Coke] so, with rakudo-java, how can I see how "use v6" is failing? 23:44
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