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Set by sorear on 25 June 2013.
timotimo oh, TimToady, another thing. hyper makes a decision at the very beginning wether to call obj.flat.eager or obj.tree.eager and it bases that on either the op that's passed being nodal or the "nodal" flag being passed to the hyper sub. 00:01
so making a decision upon first seeing Iterable doesn't strike me as possible with that setup
TimToady -> \obj { START die "nodal" if obj.^can($name)[*-1].nodal; obj."$name"(|c) }
hmm 00:02
if the obj.tree.eager fails immediatly, you could switch to the obj.flat.eager one 00:03
so could still be done with an exception, like with my modified block above 00:04
alternately, we find some way of hoisting the nodal to the block
timotimo oof. 00:05
TimToady but I expect the exception thrown by START can be made to work 00:06
provided the block is recloned on entry to the hyper 00:07
timotimo making a couple of test cases should bring a bit of clarity. not that i can come up with good test cases right now off the top of my head
the pull request has been updated. i'll write a comment to explain the new approximation along with a link to this discussion
also, i should be running some tests. 00:08
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timotimo oh, whoops, that's an error i didn't get before 00:09
"Representation must be composed before it can be allocated"
it looks like it comes from using [*-1] too early in the setting or something 00:11
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timotimo yes, with .pop it does compile 00:13
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timotimo oh well, regressions 00:20
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colomon hmmm…. seem to have lost the ability to build jakudo 00:36
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timotimo aaw, crud. my own tests didn't succeed. i wonder what's up with that. 00:40
colomon Stage start : 0.000 00:42
Could not find Perl6::BOOTSTRAP in any of: ., blib
oooo! 00:43
Operation 'isnull' requires 1 operands
timotimo ah. the test was wrong
colomon huh. looks like jnthn added this call : nqp::isnull($resultish, Mu) 00:44
timotimo huh 00:45
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timotimo i'll have time to build pull requests for ecosystem projects that rely on the non-nodal hyperops between the compiler release and the star release, right? 00:52
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Ben_Goldberg I've got a silly question: does it say in the perl6 specs which operations preserve lazyness, and which are supposed to be eager? 00:54
For example: 00:55
rpn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.first({ $^a > 4 }).say
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camelia rakudo a8ca88, pugs: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤5␤» 00:55
..niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«5␤»
timotimo o_O how does niecza do that?
er, silly me.
Ben_Goldberg Now, obviously some list operations have to be eager (sort, for example) 00:56
But things which act like a map or a grep don't need to be. 00:58
timotimo indeed. first shouldn't do it like that i agree.
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Ben_Goldberg r: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.kv[0].say 00:59
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤0 1␤»
timotimo yeah, we talked about .kv not having to be eager yesterday 01:00
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Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.grep({ $^a %% 2 })[0].say 01:02
camelia rakudo a8ca88, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«2␤»
Ben_Goldberg Well, that works right :)
colomon what, .first isn't lazy in rakudo?
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.map({ $^a * 2 })[0].say
timotimo colomon: i'm on it :) 01:03
camelia rakudo a8ca88, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«2␤»
timotimo ah, i guess self.list is eager for something like that.
r: (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }).WHAT 01:04
camelia rakudo a8ca88: ( no output )
timotimo r: say (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }).WHAT
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«(List)␤»
timotimo hm. 01:05
r: my @thing := (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }).list; 1;
camelia rakudo a8ca88: ( no output )
colomon no, it's for, I'll bet yuou
timotimo r: my @thing := (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }).list; @thing.first(3);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤»
timotimo seems that way
Ben_Goldberg r: for(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }) { say '1'; last } 01:06
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Word 'for' interpreted as 'for()' function call; please use whitespace instead of parens␤at /tmp/JYNwXRAgjE:1␤------> for⏏(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" ␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a r…
Ben_Goldberg r: foreach(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }) { say '1'; last }
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?)␤at /tmp/_BTSmwydqe:1␤------> ther { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }) ⏏{ say '1'; last }␤ expecting any of:␤ …
timotimo no, you want a space after the for
Ben_Goldberg r: foreach (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }) { say '1'; last }
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for'␤at /tmp/Yxu8yponBH:1␤------> foreach⏏ (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!"␤»
Ben_Goldberg r: forh (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }) { say '1'; last }
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?)␤at /tmp/dpC50LvlDL:1␤------> ther { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }) ⏏{ say '1'; last }␤ expecting any of:␤ …
Ben_Goldberg r: for (gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }) { say '1'; last }
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤1␤»
Ben_Goldberg My backspace and enter key on my keyboard are two close together :P 01:07
timotimo :)
r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { gather for @list { return $_ if $_ ~~ $test }; Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3); 01:08
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤3␤»
timotimo aaw come on.
r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { map @list { return $_ if $_ ~~ $test }; Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?)␤at /tmp/jiqUbRtWcM:1␤------> irst(@list, Mu $test) is rw { map @list ⏏{ return $_ if $_ ~~ $test }; Nil }; say␤ ex…
timotimo r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { map { return $_ if $_ ~~ $test }, @list; Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤3␤»
timotimo can it really be that hard? 01:09
r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { (grep @list, $test)[0]; Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤Nil␤»
timotimo r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { (grep $test, @list)[0]; Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
timotimo not better :|
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.grep({ $_ > 3 && last }).say 01:10
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤␤»
..niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«␤»
timotimo i suppose one will have to work with a traditional loop and get each element in turn.
Ben_Goldberg At least until 'for' is fixed :)
timotimo right. 01:11
i wish i could have done it with a map.
colomon probably can
timotimo r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { (@list.map({ $_ if $_ ~~ $test})[0] || Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3); 01:12
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse expression in parenthesized expression; couldn't find final ')'␤at /tmp/JmqwREZi10:1␤------> ist.map({ $_ if $_ ~~ $test})[0] || Nil ⏏}; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for ␤ expecting any of:␤ …
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.map({ $_ < 5 ? $_ : last }).say
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Unsupported use of ?: for the conditional operator; in Perl 6 please use ??!! at /tmp/2XYxYon52e line 1:␤------> _ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.map({ $_ < 5 ?⏏ $_ : last }).say␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
..rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unsupported use of ?: for the conditional operator; in Perl 6 please use ??!!␤at /tmp/ph47yFtj9C:1␤------> _ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.map({ $_ < 5 ?⏏ $_ : last }).say␤»
timotimo r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { (@list.map({ $_ if $_ ~~ $test}))[0] || Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«3␤»
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.map({ $_ < 5 ?? $_ :: last }).say
colomon well, with grep
timotimo oh lookie there!
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Please use !! rather than :: at /tmp/ZYbvmUexwi line 1:␤------> 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.map({ $_ < 5 ?? $_ ⏏:: last }).say␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
..rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Please use !! rather than ::␤at /tmp/er7vzPaVgl:1␤------> 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.map({ $_ < 5 ?? $_ ⏏:: last }).say␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤»…
timotimo hey
stop the spam :)
Ben_Goldberg ok
timotimo i have a working solution
r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { (@list.map({ $_ if $_ ~~ $test}))[0] || Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 3);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«3␤»
timotimo r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { (@list.map({ $_ if $_ ~~ $test}))[0] || Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, 99);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤Nil␤»
timotimo perfect!
colomon errr.... 01:13
Ben_Goldberg r: sub hacky_first(@list, Mu $test) is rw { (@list.map({ $_ if $_ ~~ $test}))[0] || Nil }; say hacky_first(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }, True);
camelia rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«1␤»
timotimo although i think i want // instead of ||
colomon What if Any is a value in the list?
timotimo ah. can fix that, too.
colomon method first(Mu $test) is rw {
my @values := self.grep($test);
@values ?? @values[0] !! Nil;
}
(have not tried compiling, as I'm in the middle of spectesting.)
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timotimo that looks better than mi.e 01:16
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.grep({ $_ < 4 })[0].say 01:18
camelia rakudo a8ca88, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«1␤»
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.grep({ $_ > 4 })[0].say
camelia rakudo a8ca88, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«5␤»
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.for({ $_.say }) 01:20
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤6␤7␤8␤9␤D'oh!␤»
..rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«No such method 'for' for invocant of type 'List'␤ in block at /tmp/VyPciQ0twd:1␤␤»
Ben_Goldberg blinks. 01:21
p: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.for({ $_.say }) 01:22
camelia pugs: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤*** No such method in class Array: "&for"␤ at /tmp/uCb598ild5 line 1, column 1 - line 2, column 1␤»
Ben_Goldberg rn: gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }.grep({ $_ > 4 })[5].say 01:25
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤(Any)␤»
..rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«D'oh!␤Nil␤»
Ben_Goldberg Which is right? Nil or (Any)? 01:26
Smaller example: 01:27
rn: gather { }.[0].say
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
..rakudo a8ca88: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
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timotimo locally i now have a lazy (but only if the list is infinite) .keys method, which should make .pairs and .kv lazy 01:55
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colomon rn: my @a; say @a[1] 02:16
camelia rakudo a8ca88, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
colomon jnthn: your last checkin broke both rakudo builds. This line: nqp::atpos(@posts, $i)(nqp::isnull($resultish, Mu)); in BOOTSTRAP.nqp is the culprit 02:31
daniel-s Is it valid BNF to use <something> | { <other> | <things> } 02:38
That is to say it will either be 1 of <something> or a whole bunch of <other> <things> 02:39
perl: say "test" 02:44
rn: say "test"
camelia rakudo a8ca88, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«test␤»
daniel-s rn: say "test\n"
camelia rakudo a8ca88, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«test␤␤»
colomon rn: gist.github.com/colomon/6026323 02:45
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ @uniq is declared but not used at /tmp/QJcjtbpLSt line 1:␤------> my ⏏@uniq = gather for 1..10 {␤␤»
..rakudo a8ca88: ( no output )
colomon jnthn: golfed fatal error from gather.t: gist.github.com/colomon/6026323 (jvm, works fine in parrakudo) 02:46
daniel-s: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus%E2%80%93Naur_Form 02:50
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JimmyZ no dalek... 03:04
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sorear o/ 04:02
JimmyZ good *, sorear 04:14
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moritz \o * 05:49
sorear o/
FROGGS o/ 05:53
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tadzik ha! it's THIS day of the month! 07:22
FROGGS compiler release day? 07:23
tadzik that's right
the shiny compiler release with an almost-there JVM support 07:24
FROGGS right :o) 07:30
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lizmat and a broken build :-( 07:36
does this always happen on compiler release day?
and good *, #perl6! :-)
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moritz \o 07:37
tadzik we have a broken build? /o\
moritz tadzik: what's the error message?
tadzik moritz: I don't have a build error
FROGGS /o\ 07:38
moritz tadzik: so how is the build broken, if there's no error?
FROGGS fix it! quick!
moritz confused
in case of doubt, try reverting 62b50c02e48021cfb1444d1f156711a55e0c8c1a
tadzik lizmat | and a broken build :-( 07:39
lizmat: do we have a broken build? :)
lizmat yes, jnthn's last commit broke things
lizmat is verifying spectest is clean before that 07:40
clean before the last commit 07:48
moritz: so reverting 62b50c02e48021cfb1444d1f156711a55e0c8c1a is not needed
trying to fix jnthn's commit now (fat chance) 07:49
moritz still doesn't know what the problem is 07:52
tadzik '\o maybe Black Mesa... '\o 07:53
lizmat missing pirop it seems 07:54
moritz No registered operation handler for 'p6inpre'
lizmat something got added to src/vm/jvm/Perl6/Ops.nqp that should also be added to src/vm/parrot/Perl6/Ops.nqp
adding +$ops.add_hll_pirop_mapping('perl6', 'p6inpre', 'perl6_in_checking_pre', 'v'); does not seem enough :-( 07:56
moritz lizmat: same error? or does it complain about a different op then? 07:57
FROGGS well, looks like p6inpre means something else
lizmat same error 07:58
checking src/vm/parrot/ops/perl6.ops now
seems to build now 08:05
grrr… still same arror 08:07
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moritz tadzik: if it blocks the release, simply revert the offending commit, and let jnthn++ sort it out afterwards 08:10
tadzik moritz: that's what I shall do 08:11
moritz: the release is not happening for at least next 9 hours or so
so there's a chance that it'll get fixed by Someone [tm] and we need'nt worry about it at all
lizmat gist.github.com/lizmat/6027613 (my work on fixing this so far) 08:14
any idea where I need to "register" p6inpre ?
moritz lizmat: looks correct to me. Did you remember to 'make install' in nqp? 08:15
FROGGS nqp? 08:16
it is rakudo/src/vm/parrot/Perl6/Ops.nqp 08:17
lizmat trying moritz' suggestion
moritz oops 08:18
FROGGS lizmat: the added pirop looks correct for me too fwiw
lizmat moritz: still same error
moritz sadpanda 08:20
lizmat could it be I need to add the pirop at the end ? 08:28
that I messed up all the internal numbering
?
from git blame's history, I would say not :-( 08:29
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FROGGS lizmat: no, the ordering doesnt matter there 08:32
lizmat maybe I should just push these changes: if they don't work anywhere, they can be reverted just like jnthn's commit
dalek kudo/nom: 181517b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/vm/parrot/ (2 files):
Attempt to add missing nqp:p6inpre for parakudo.

Alas, this doesn't seem to fix the problem ofi d4ffd7c21e7bed97eeeec3502299da0d1276abd4 just yet. Please revert if blocking the compiler release.		 08:34
lizmat fitness, back around 11Z & 08:36
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Ulti I'm having trouble building rakudols 09:33
FROGGS Ulti: rakudols? 09:34
Ulti sorry that was ls with mouse focus not moving away ;)
jnthn morning o/
FROGGS hi jnthn
Ulti: yes, there is a bad commit in HEAD atm
Ulti src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.nqp complains about Operation 'isnull' requires 1 operands in QAST.nqp:2896
FROGGS: okedoke 09:35
jnthn is looking into it
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Ulti 98.82% o___O you guys work too hard 09:36
FROGGS moritz: is it just me or is the encâding borken here? irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2013-03-14#i_6586765 09:38
moritz: and the colors are not stripped/translated correctly: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2013-07-18#i_7340481 09:39
jnthn Pushed fix to Rakudo build, checked on Parrot and JVM. 09:45
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jnthn Sorry 'bout that. 09:45
FROGGS someone should remove your commit bit :P 09:47
hehe >.<
jnthn yeah!
jnthn should probably do some $dayjob bits, but is looking at the donaldh++ patch instead 09:51
dalek kudo/nom: 3ad8810 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/ModuleLoader.nqp:
Fix 'use DoesNotExist' error generation.

Reported and golfed by donaldh++.		 09:54
donaldh jnthn++ 09:55
I was staring at that bit of code. I haven't grasped the difference between rakudo and nqp types yet. 09:57
Term::ANSIColor works on rakudo jvm by the way 09:59
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donaldh jnthn: We definitely need to rework the setting and module load paths 10:03
jnthn donaldh: I can't figure out where it's put the runner it installs...
donaldh: Seems that it has put things in install/ instead of install-jvm/ too... 10:04
donaldh jnthn: To separate JVM loading concerns (classpath) from runtime loading concerns
oh. That's the default in ConfigureJVM.pl
I didn't change that
jnthn ah...
donaldh install/bin/perl6
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jnthn aha! 10:05
Well, it creates a perl6.bat there that runs it under Windows :)
So seems like progress 10:06
donaldh wheee
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dalek kudo/nom: 965beb5 | (Donald Hunter)++ | / (4 files):
Added an install target for JVM.
 10:08
kudo/nom: a1cdd7f | jnthn++ | / (4 files):
Merge branch 'jvm-install-target' of git://github.com/donaldh/rakudo into nom
jnthn donaldh: Agree things need further cleanup, but this so far is a decided improvement on "no working make install" :)
donaldh When PERL6LIB is used to configure @*INC, it clobbers the load path defined by the runner. So I'd like to use java properties for the setting path and the module home. 10:09
jnthn Makes sense.
donaldh Also, I'm guessing that the sysytem specified module path, i.e. by the runner, should always be the fallback, even when PERL6LIB is used? 10:10
jnthn I think PERL6LIB is meant to augment, yeah 10:11
donaldh certainly, that's how Perl 5 behaves :-)
jnthn Anyways, this is very nice to have in time for today's release :) 10:12
donaldh I plan to refactor the nqp install too, but people rely on it's current layout.
jnthn > 98% of tests *and* a make install :)
*nod*
donaldh What's the best way to handle the transition.
jnthn Well, a --gen-nqp could be good too...
donaldh True
And use install-jvm as the PREFIX for both? 10:13
jnthn Best way? Perhaps do it in a branch first, write up how it's changing, etc.
donaldh Yep, okay.
jnthn install-jvm is nice in so far as it lets you have a Parrot and JVM install side by side.
Without having to tweak :) 10:14
But maybe that's optimizing for the wrong use case :)
donaldh heh. 10:15
Shall we change the install target to install-jvm before anyone uses it :-) 10:17
*default*
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timotimo i'm going to add lazy .kv, .first and .pairs to list for the release, too, including tests 10:27
just gimme a few minutes :)
timotimo.gimme(:minutes(*)) 10:28
i thought the compiler release would happen the day after tomorrow, so i had high hopes of including the nodal branch in there, but it may be a bit tight :(
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donaldh github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/182 10:29
jnthn timotimo: I think we should do that in the aug relesae 10:30
timotimo: Large changes just before the release are not so good
timotimo you're right and i am sad ;) 10:31
jnthn timotimo: Especially when they could have ecosystem fallout ;)
;)
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timotimo wow, the tests for lazy lists are really not thorough 10:36
unless in S02-types/lazy-lists.t i'm looking at the wrong file
jnthn Clearly, they're going to be written as they are needed...
timotimo is that the right place for '(gather { take $_ for 1..9; say "D'oh!" }).first(3) does not say "D'oh!"'? 10:37
jnthn timotimo: Maybe there or in gather.t...I suspect many aspects of laziness get tested by the features that rely on it. 10:40
timotimo mhm 10:42
is it kinda-known that for tends to gobble up lists eagerly?
jnthn yeah
moritz kinda-known, yes
jnthn And on Pm's todo list, but Pm tuits are rare at the moment
timotimo good to know 10:43
workarounds in the setting are acceptable to make a few methods behave lazily properly?
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hoelzro are all of the submatches in Perl6::Grammar's patterns available in Actions.pm via $/? 10:44
I'd like to find out exactly what string <sym> matches
timotimo should be, yeah
hoelzro hmm
timotimo should even give you submatches many many levels down
hoelzro I tried adding nqp::say($/<sym>), but no dice
timotimo you want $<sym> instead, no?
hoelzro maybe?
hoelzro tries
moritz those two are the same, really 10:45
jnthn timotimo: Depends...probably best not to pile up a load of workarounds...
jnthn needs to do $dayjob stuff for a bit
timotimo perhaps it's a list of matches in that case? 10:46
hoelzro does .WHAT work in nqp-land?
timotimo not in the way you want it to, i think 10:47
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hoelzro curses 10:49
jnthn $obj.HOW.name($obj) may help 10:54
hoelzro ah, I'll try that next! 10:55
timotimo when going to sleep last night, i was thinking about nagare, the continuation passing style web framework built upon stackless python 10:56
could running gather/takes be serialised away and later thawed and continued?
iiuc that's at the base of nagare, in their case it's having stackless python green threads block on channels so that they can be pickled to disk or database and then later restoring them 10:57
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moritz I think serializing gather/takes isn't easy 11:09
colomon OMG, we haven't closed down perl6 language mailing list yet? 11:12
timotimo OK, case closed for now then :)
it seems a bad idea to replace list's "keys" method from (0..self.end).list with (0, 1 ... { !self.exists($^idx) }) in the general case, should i guard it with .definite or something? 11:14
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timotimo maybe i could build something like (0..self.end-of-reified-part) concatenated with (end-of-reified-part, * + 1 ... { !self.exists($^idx) }) 11:16
"significant subsets of the set specification" *snrk* :) 11:17
colomon moritz++ is more polite than I would have been 11:18
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tadzik I hate to have to do this folks, but can someone take over the release today from me? 11:20
I'm having a surprise trip to Oslo
moritz I can try 11:21
worst case: it happens tomorrow
tadzik that'd be awesome. I can't guarantee any time from me in the next 7 days, basically
FROGGS tadzik: how comes you are going to oslo?
tadzik FROGGS: I'll tell you, but that involves a lot of swear words and probably an NDA violation 11:22
moritz fears the worst for tadzik
tadzik long story short, the company's sending me
timotimo i wish you a good time nevertheless! 11:23
tadzik I'll try to get some :)
timotimo sad to see you and your piano torn apart so quickly again :(
tadzik yeah
the current record is two days in a row
moritz united or divided? 11:24
tadzik united
nwc10 tadzik: do oslo.pm know yet? :-) 11:28
I'm sure they can take you out for an evening to let off steam.
lizmat seems to recall merlyn going there soonish as well
or was that London.pm only? 11:29
tadzik nwc10: I'm not sure I'll have a free evening :) 11:30
moritz I recall something about merlyn traveling the Norwegian coast
nwc10 tadzik: that on its own sounds like a reason for swearing :-(
jnthn hugme: hug tadzik 11:35
hugme hugs tadzik
moritz wonders if hugme should randomly ask "why don't you hug tadzik yourself? are you shy?" 11:36
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donaldh is reminded of a cartoon of Wally sitting drunk in a bar, saying 'Nobody asks how's Wally?' 11:38
timotimo saw that one
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timotimo gist.github.com/anonymous/a9bf644318b068262734 - pls2apply; it passes all the spectests 11:44
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dalek kudo/nom: 56fad03 | (Timo Paulssen)++ | src/core/Any.pm:
lazy implementation of List.first. colomon++

Signed-off-by: Moritz Lenz [email@hidden.address]		 11:58
timotimo now it went through 3 people! :D
Ulti wait if you guys want a hug bot I made an automatic one in perl6 ;) 12:00
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Ulti github.com/MattOates/Text--Emotion...ter/emobot well it could be hacked to tell hugme to give someone a hug anyway 12:01
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GlitchMr prn: my $x = 42; $x = ++$x + $x++; say $x 12:29
camelia rakudo 56fad0, pugs: OUTPUT«86␤»
..niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«87␤»
GlitchMr Sounds like undefined behavior without warning or anything. 12:30
prn: my $x = 42; $x = $x++ + ++$x; say $x
camelia rakudo 56fad0, niecza v24-88-g1f87209, pugs: OUTPUT«86␤»
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FROGGS I think niecza is right 12:33
GlitchMr Yeah, I think that too.
FROGGS this would agree with Perl 5 fwiw
GlitchMr But, wasn't ++ undefined in Perl? 12:34
FROGGS how can it be undefined?
prn: my $x = 42; $x = $x++-++$x; say $x # sad that infix + isnt working here 12:36
camelia rakudo 56fad0, niecza v24-88-g1f87209, pugs: OUTPUT«-2␤»
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FROGGS now that is weird: 12:37
perl -E 'my $x = 42; $x = ++$x + ++$x; say $x'
88
rnp: my $x = 42; $x = ++$x + ++$x; say $x
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«88␤»
..rakudo 56fad0, pugs: OUTPUT«87␤»
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FROGGS well, okay, I understand how that works 12:38
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GlitchMr FROGGS: perldoc.perl.org/perlop.html#Auto-i...-decrement 12:40
FROGGS ahh, k, thanks 12:42
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Ulti print ++($foo = "zz"); # prints "aaa" <--- wat 12:44
GlitchMr Ulti: everything is fine.
This is a feature.
Ulti I had no idea the ++ operator in Perl5 even had that behaviour 12:45
:3
GlitchMr In Perl 5, it was broken, but yes.
Broken, as in, sometimes it does work, sometimes not.
Ulti if you do ++ on any punctuation you get 1 too 12:46
GlitchMr glitchmr@feather ~> perl -E 'my $foo = "zz"; say ++$foo; my $bar = "zz"; $bar + 0; say ++$bar'
aaa
1
Yeah, $bar + 0 causes the feature to break. 12:47
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Ulti I'd love to know what modules on CPAN rely on that :) 12:48
GlitchMr JSON 12:49
Ulti really?! 12:50
GlitchMr glitchmr@feather ~> perl -MJSON -E'my $foo = 0; say encode_json [$foo]; $foo . ""; say encode_json [$foo]'
[0]
["0"]
Well, actually JSON accesses Perl internals
But still
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GlitchMr Also, bitwise operators. 12:51
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GlitchMr This only applies to Perl 5. Perl 6 doesn't have such strange behavior anywhere. 12:52
colomon GlitchMr: huh? that's not a bug. when you say $bar + 0, $bar gets a numeric value (for the addition). and ++ prefers the numeric value over the string value. That's basic perl 5
GlitchMr colomon: of course it's not a bug. 12:53
But it's still strange.
(then again, that depends on the meaning of "bug")
Still, it's better to not depend on such behavior, and use += 0, or something instead (so it would be noticeable that variable was modified). 12:55
Ulti there are plenty of other oddball things in Perl5 its just I had no idea ++ would act that way on strings, mostly the overflow is really unexpected (by me) 12:57
FROGGS and it is unexpected to me because I never use such things 12:58
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GlitchMr Spreadsheets do it that way. 12:59
After Z, you have AA.
Ulti also I'd sort of expect zz to maybe go to AA rather than wrap to aa
GlitchMr Nothing strange.
Ulti apart from its case sensitive and why would I expect it acts like a spreadsheet rather than the ordinal value of each character increase by one so 'zz' going to '{{' 13:01
though how it does work is a lot more useful
GlitchMr After 'yz' you have 'za'.
hoelzro apparently $/ does not contain a 'sym' key =(
GlitchMr You probably wouldn't want 'y{' or something. 13:02
hoelzro (when processing a regex decl)
GlitchMr rnp: say "{'yz'.succ} {'zz'.succ}"
camelia pugs: OUTPUT«*** No such method in class Str: "&succ"␤ at /tmp/5meqTynwHH line 1, column 7-16␤»
..rakudo 56fad0, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«za aaa␤»
GlitchMr (I through that pugs has .succ... looks like I was wrong, not that it matters) 13:03
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FROGGS hoelzro: it does usually 13:09
[Coke] p: say 3.succ 13:14
camelia pugs: OUTPUT«*** No such method in class Int: "&succ"␤ at /tmp/asBV_Cm6l8 line 1, column 5 - line 2, column 1␤»
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hoelzro make $<...>.ast grabs the current AST and designates it as the result of the given action, right? 13:17
am I understanding this correctly?
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FROGGS nr: grammar Test { proto token TOP {*}; token TOP:sym<bla> { <sym> } }; say Test.parse("bla") 13:20
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«｢bla｣␤␤»
..rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«｢bla｣␤ sym => ｢bla｣␤␤»
FROGGS hoelzro: right 13:21
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hoelzro ok, found it 13:31
$*METHODTYPE
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JimmyZ rnp: my $x = 42; $x = ++$x + ++$x; say $x # known bug? 13:59
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«88␤»
..rakudo 56fad0, pugs: OUTPUT«87␤»
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FROGGS JimmyZ: might be no bug at all 14:01
JimmyZ why?
notjack I think niecza has it right, and rakudo wrong 14:02
both ++s should happen before the sum
FROGGS is it specced how it should behave when having two incr/decr in the same statement?
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FROGGS Perl 5 says the result is undefined, dunno what our specs say 14:02
notjack: the ++'s are happending before the sum 14:03
JimmyZ how could niecza be 88?
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FROGGS JimmyZ: think of $x as references 14:03
a *reference
gfldex i'm failing to build rakudo: Error: Could not find or load main class perl6 14:04
JimmyZ can't image
gfldex any leads?
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FROGGS it does: ++42, then the right side is 43, it does ++ on it then $x is 44, then it does 44 + 44 14:05
timotimo gfldex: did you run the configuration step very recently?
FROGGS and rakudo treats it a bit like values, so it is 43 when incrementing it on the right side, and then it does 43 + 44 14:06
JimmyZ FROGGS: that's crazy
gfldex i did rm -r rakudo, so yes
timotimo hm, okay
FROGGS JimmyZ: that's why it is undefined in Perl 5 :o)
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notjack FROGGS: yes, it is, and I think that's correct 14:06
timotimo i'll try to build it here
[Coke] "why would you expect code like that to do anything sane"
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FROGGS "why would one expect my code to do anything sane" 14:07
JimmyZ that's not DWIMish
FROGGS :D
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timotimo gfldex: did you make install, too? 14:07
gfldex i believe so, will test 14:08
JimmyZ TimToady: ^^
FROGGS niecza feels a bit more right IMO
gfldex timotimo: didn't change anything
timotimo huh. i'm building it now, going to see what's going on
JimmyZ rnp: my int $x = 42; $x = ++$x + ++$x; say $x 14:09
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Malformed my at /tmp/ImME6dE_dw line 1:␤------> my⏏ int $x = 42; $x = ++$x + ++$x; say $x␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«87␤»
..rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in sub prefix:<++> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3617␤ in sub prefix:<++> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2065␤ in block at /tmp/mcXFD6idSN:1␤␤»
timotimo JimmyZ: ++ is NYI for native integers ;_;
JimmyZ pugs: ...
camelia pugs: OUTPUT«*** Cannot use this control structure outside a 'routine' structure␤ at /tmp/VZBUUaBAoO line 1, column 1 - line 2, column 1␤»
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JimmyZ FROGGS: if you use 'my int $x = 42', you won't think niecza is right 14:10
timotimo gfldex: cannot reproduce; what are your exact steps?
and checked out version of nqp and rakudo? JVM version? 14:11
oh
FROGGS JimmyZ: I dont get the connection
timotimo more importantly: what binary are you using? install-jvm/bin/perl6?
gfldex timotimo: solved, i have a bad symlink somewhere in $PATH
timotimo ah! that's annoying! :)
JimmyZ FROGGS: native int is not reference 14:12
gfldex well, i think
FROGGS JimmyZ: hmmm, okay
as long as I can do that I'm happy: if --$x && do-something($x) { 14:13
notjack perl6: say 5 if 4>3 if 2>1; 14:14
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/37QRlgTtuu:1␤------> say 5 if 4>3 ⏏if 2>1;␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤»
..niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Two terms in a row at /tmp/WJ1WkeyRzk line 1:␤------> say 5 if 4>3 ⏏if 2>1;␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
JimmyZ is waiting for someone to fix assign op in MoarVM :)
FROGGS whoever does ++$x + $x++ has other major problems I suppose
gfldex odd, somehow the jakudo perl6 script file (the one that tells java what class to load) ended up in /usr/local/bin/
notjack perl6: say 5 if 4>3;
camelia rakudo 56fad0, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«5␤»
timotimo gfldex: how did that happen? on my end, nothing in the output of make install seems to point at something like that 14:15
FROGGS perl6: say 5 if 4>3 for 2>1
camelia rakudo 56fad0, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«5␤»
gfldex i tried jakudo two days before and i may have cp where i should have ln
timotimo may be, yeah 14:18
timotimo is looking forward to the naysayers downplaying the success of getting rakudo onto the jvm so far.
notjack perl6: say 5 for 4>3 for 3>2; 14:19
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/LB0XPKGUGA:1␤------> say 5 for 4>3 ⏏for 3>2;␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤»
..niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Two terms in a row at /tmp/BHNLWL5ryS line 1:␤------> say 5 for 4>3 ⏏for 3>2;␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
notjack damn you perl6, I want confusingly nested postfix conditionals and I want them now
timotimo r: (say 5 if 4 > 3) if 5 > 4
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«5␤»
timotimo newline.rakudo.jvm: 2 todo tests unexpectedly succeeded 14:20
notjack say 2>1 ?? 4>3 ?? 5;
nr: say 2>1 ?? 4>3 ?? 5; 14:21
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Found ?? but no !! at /tmp/xakC0EE4qk line 1:␤------> say 2>1 ?? 4>3 ?? 5⏏;␤␤Confused at /tmp/xakC0EE4qk line 1:␤------> say 2>1 ?? 4>3 ?? 5⏏;␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
..rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Found ?? but no !!␤at /tmp/ZxPrqb0kRX:1␤------> say 2>1 ?? 4>3 ?? 5⏏;␤Confused␤at /tmp/ZxPrqb0kRX:1␤------> say 2>1 ?? 4>3 ?? 5⏏;␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤␤»
notjack nr: say 2>1 ?? 4>3 ?? 5 !! 'boo' !! 'hoo';
camelia rakudo 56fad0, niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«5␤»
timotimo i shall unfudge.
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jnthn timotimo: (unfudge) be wary, they may be bogus...there are two fails there too :) 14:25
timotimo oh, hm. 14:27
probably are, yeah
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[Coke] r: say 25922 / 26184 14:39
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«0.989994␤»
jnthn [Coke]: Is that the current standing? 14:40
[Coke] r: say 25923 / 26184
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«0.990032␤»
[Coke] jnthn: just did a run, aye.
the first one. the second is where you want to be before the release. ;)
jnthn argh, off by one test! :P
[Coke] that might be accomplished by judicious fudging of aborting tests.
timotimo there's a test in sink that succeeds on jvm and is todo on parrot 14:41
regarding nested temps
or rather recursive temps 14:42
donaldh Just looking at resurrecting CUSTOM_LIB on JVM. It's needed by panda
timotimo not in sink. in S04-blocks-and-statements/temp.t
[Coke] jnthn: might also be able to unskip some tests, not sure what you've fixed.
donaldh It's prefix is $VM<config><libdir> on parrot. Is that install-jvm/languages/perl6/lib for us? 14:43
s/us/jvm/
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notjack I'm trying to use Padre as a p6 IDE. 15:09
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notjack When I set View Document As>Perl 6 and hit "run", I get "no execution mode defined for ... perl6" 15:10
but I can't seem to find anywhere where I an associate execution modes with interpreters
or anything to that effect
ideas?
moritz maybe ask in #padre? 15:11
notjack yeah, just /j'd there
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timotimo do "unexpectedly passing TODO" tests count towards the number of passed tests in the summary? 15:30
moritz would hope so, since they passed 15:31
timotimo hm, i was going to write one or two tests for lazy .first, probably also lazy .grep and .map. maybe that'll get us above 90% ;)
are gather/take using tests acceptable in S02-types/lazy-list.t? 15:32
i think they would be, but what do i know?
jnthn is taking a break from $dayjob to see if he can get us a couple more...
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timotimo oh! 15:40
the lazy-list test file isn't even in spectest.data and also doesn't run correctly. 15:41
r: say (1..Inf).shift
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'shift' for invocant of type 'Range'␤ in block at /tmp/W0gLwtJtn6:1␤␤»
timotimo this is a wrong test, yes?
dalek kudo/nom: 98911a5 | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog:
update changelog
 15:42
moritz timotimo: yes
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moritz if you think I missed interesting stuff in the changelog, please tell me 15:42
timotimo r: my @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1].delete # this should be :delete, yes? 15:43
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'delete' for invocant of type 'Int'␤ in block at /tmp/fLAgrR7JeJ:1␤␤»
timotimo r: my @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete
camelia rakudo 56fad0: ( no output )
timotimo r: my @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; say @a;
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
timotimo hum, apparently not.
notjack r: say (1,2,3).delete(1); 15:45
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'delete' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤ in block at /tmp/foOU1FiT5L:1␤␤»
timotimo wow, this test assigns 1000000 elements to a list and that's supposed to work? is list assignment supposed to be lazy!?
maybe with binding it could be
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timotimo my @a = 1, 2, 3; @a.delete(1); say @a; 15:46
r: my @a = 1, 2, 3; @a.delete(1); say @a;
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«1 Nil 3␤»
timotimo ah, so that's how it works now.
r: my @a := 1..*; @a.delete(1); say @a[^5]; 15:47
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'delete' for invocant of type 'Range'␤ in block at /tmp/m0_6wxbRX8:1␤␤»
timotimo r: my @a := 1...*; @a.delete(1); say @a[^5];
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'delete' for invocant of type 'List'␤ in block at /tmp/XnQPIbtgZU:1␤␤»
timotimo hum. only for arrays then?
r: say (1..Inf).pop;
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'pop' for invocant of type 'Range'␤ in block at /tmp/MVm1b7VJux:1␤␤»
timotimo r: say (1...Inf).pop;
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«Cannot .pop from an infinite list␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10542␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:915␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11436␤ in block at /tmp/egZ3cGFope:1␤␤»
timotimo r: say (1..Inf).list.pop; 15:48
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«Cannot .pop from an infinite list␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10542␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:915␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11436␤ in block at /tmp/5SULvQkrSL:1␤␤»
timotimo i wonder why i don't get that error here.
notjack r: say (1..Inf).push(1);
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'push'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Any:U \SELF: *@values, Mu *%_)␤ in method push at src/gen/CORE.setting:1475␤ in block at /tmp/Fi0rOyI_4G:1␤␤»
colomon r: say (1..10).pop
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'pop' for invocant of type 'Range'␤ in block at /tmp/rXdci0rAO0:1␤␤»
colomon r: say (1..10).list.pop
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«10␤»
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notjack r: say (1,(2,3,(4,5)))[1].WHAT; 15:53
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«(Int)␤»
notjack r: say (1,(2,3,(4,5))).WHAT;
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«(Parcel)␤»
notjack shouldn't [1] be List (or something List-y)?
dalek ast: 51ebe45 | (Timo Paulssen)++ | S02-types/lazy-lists.t:
lazy-lists.t updated, new tests: first, grep, X, Z
timotimo this test file needs to be included in spectest.data now if you want to run it
notjack oh, I see, (Int) means list-of-Int 15:54
timotimo no, it doesn't
it means "undefined value of type Int"
notjack I'd expect (1,(2,3,(4,5)))[1] to be (2,3,(4,5)) and so .WHAT would say List, one way or another 15:55
TimToady me too
timotimo parcels flatten, don't they?
TimToady oh, wait, rakudo flattens parcels 15:56
timotimo r: say (1, (2, 3, (4, 5) ) )[1]
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«2␤»
timotimo r: say (1, (2, 3, (4, 5) ) )[2]
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«3␤»
timotimo r: say (1, (2, 3, (4, 5) ) )[3]
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«4␤»
timotimo r: say (1, (2, 3, (4, 5) ) ).tree[1]
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«2 3 4 5␤»
notjack that doesn't make sense to me
timotimo r: say (1, (2, 3, (4, 5) ) ).tree[1].perl
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«$(2, 3, (4, 5))␤»
jnthn Parcels are flattened lazily
timotimo is just an innocent bystander
TimToady I think we defined some other method for pulling raw args out of a parcel by position
jnthn Depending on context
And subscripting is a context that flattens
notjack hmm 15:57
timotimo r: say (1, (2, 3, (4, 5) ) ).flattens
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'flattens' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤ in block at /tmp/cBAZXlNZVO:1␤␤»
timotimo mhm
notjack r: say (1,2,(:a<b>,(foo=>bar, hex=>sept),99))[1]; 15:58
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared routines:␤ bar used at line 1. Did you mean '&bag'?␤ sept used at line 1. Did you mean '&set'?␤␤»
notjack r: say (1,2,(:a<b>,('foo'=>'bar', 'hex'=>'sept'),99))[1];
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«2␤»
notjack r: say (1,2,(:a<b>,('foo'=>'bar', 'hex'=>'sept'),99))[2];
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«"a" => "b"␤»
notjack weird
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timotimo weird how? 15:59
that seems somewhat expected given the knowledge that parcels flatten
notjack yes; it's the flattening I find weird
TimToady r: say (1,(2,3,(4,5))).arg(1)
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«No such method 'arg' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤ in block at /tmp/nNmeFb80R9:1␤␤»
TimToady NYI I guess
notjack I mean, it kinda-sorta makes sense for homogeneous lists
TimToady S07:69
synopsebot Link: perlcabal.org/syn/S07.html#line_69
pmichaud Parcels flatten in flattening contexts.
notjack but lists with complex, intricate structure...
weird to flatten them 16:00
TimToady a parcel isn't a list yet
pmichaud suspects he needs to read backscroll
notjack but it quacks like a list
diakopter pmichaud: heh.. but how far back... ;)
notjack r: my List ducky=(1,2,(:a<b>,('foo'=>'bar', 'hex'=>'sept'),99)); say @ducky[2]; 16:01
camelia rakudo 56fad0: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Type 'List' is not declared␤at /tmp/MwTnJ_gVAE:1␤------> my List ⏏ducky=(1,2,(:a<b>,('foo'=>'bar', 'hex'=>␤Malformed my␤at /tmp/MwTnJ_gVAE:1␤------> my List ⏏ducky=(1,2,(:a<b>,('foo'=>'bar', 'hex'=>[…
timotimo moritz: if you're desparate for changelog entries, you can mention my pod6 parsing improvements - not that many people seem to be using the formatting codes anyway :P 16:02
afk&
notjack I always forget my sigils
jnthn o/ pmichaud :) 16:03
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pmichaud o/ jnthn 16:03
jnthn++ # excellent interview articles 16:04
jnthn :)
FROGGS hi pmichaud
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colomon pmichaud! \o/ 16:05
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jnthn Got a parametric role type-checking fix that should win at least a couple of tests. 16:11
Possibly many of the left-over failures in S14-roles, if we're lucky.
colomon \o/ 16:12
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[Coke] jnthn: have you committed yet? 16:14
roast version already set, but I can hold off a minute before kicking off the jvm run.
jnthn [Coke]: No, I really should test this locally first.
[Coke]: I can push it in 10 mins or so. Is that soon enough?
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[Coke] Sure. I'm heading out to lunch, I'll kick it off when I return. 16:15
jnthn ok
If it works out I'll want to do some unfudging anyways...
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jnthn S14-roles/parameter-subtyping.t failures are gone, and S14-roles/parameterized-type.t now runs as on Parrot. 16:21
timotimo jnthn: will adding S02-types/lazy-lists.t make a cameo? :)
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timotimo hey, that sounds great! :) 16:21
jnthn Also found I could unfudge all but 1 of the Rakudo JVM regressions in S06-multi/type-based.t. :) 16:24
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timotimo sounds like 99% passing tests are secured :) 16:26
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jnthn So long as I ain't busted anything :) 16:28
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dalek p: 4f1edcc | jnthn++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/nqp/runtime/Ops.java:
Fix failure to reach type_accepts type check mode.

This was behind various of the parametric roles failures in Rakudo.		 16:41
jnthn Seems it gets rid of our final failure in S12 too 16:42
[Coke]: OK, got for it when you're ready :) 16:43
oh, wait...
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dalek ast: f0abac5 | jnthn++ | S (2 files):
Rakudo unfudging for JVM.
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jnthn OK, now :)
timotimo hey
add the lazy-lists.t file before pretty please? 16:44
jnthn ?
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timotimo it's been around, but wrong and not in the spectest.data, but i freshened it up and added a few tests. it's in S02-types/ 16:44
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dalek kudo/nom: 6034340 | jnthn++ | t/spectest.data:
Run S02-types/lazy-lists.t.
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jnthn timotimo: What should ChangeLog say on the Pod stuff you did? 16:48
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timotimo \o/ 16:48
i was only half serious about it, but let me review the pullrequest closely 16:49
the first part is properly parsing formattingcodes with bracketing other than <>, like multiple < as well as « 16:50
the second part is allowing POD_TO_TEXT_ANSI to be set in the environment and getting somewhat formatted output from Pod::To::Text
so maybe: "Pod formattingcodes are now properly parsed and rendered in Pod::To::Text with POD_TO_TEXT_ANSI=1" or something like that? 16:57
hoelzro whoa, GH really changed their pull request UI 16:58
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dalek kudo/nom: fe792fd | jnthn++ | docs/ChangeLog:
Many more ChangeLog entries.

We got quite a lot done this month besides the JVM backend.		 16:59
timotimo good catches! :) 17:00
jnthn Don't want folks thinking we're slacking off making Rakudo generally more awesome while we do the JVM port :) 17:05
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[Coke] returns from finding some lamb saag. ZOMGYUM. 17:21
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[Coke] will re-kick off today's full run, to catch last minute roast changes. 17:22
timotimo \o/ 17:23
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Ulti hoelzro: perhaps in response to the comments Linus Torvalds made? 17:33
perigrin Ulti: I don't think so, I think they've just been doing a lot of UI overhauls. 17:34
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colomon pretty sure we broke 99% with that last patch. :) 17:35
jnthn, sorear: I'm pretty sure it will take one of you guys to sort out this one: gist.github.com/colomon/6026323 17:37
jnthn votes sorear++ :D 17:39
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colomon jnthn: sometime when you've got a few minutes, I'd like to discuss the next steps for sprintf. but no rush, I should be $working now... 17:43
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[Coke] tadzik: you still planning to release the compiler today? 18:10
colomon [Coke]: tadzik asked moritz++ to take over for him today 18:11
[Coke] hokay. hopefully the daily run will finish in advance. 18:12
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lizmat re: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/56fad03b58 : why would one use "first" instead of "grep" ? 18:18
afaik in the Perl5 world, "first" is guaranteed to retuirn *on* first match, not returning the first match after having tried everything
in other words: that commit feels *wrong* to me 18:19
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[Coke] lizmat: I also think it doesn't feel right, but it does fix the "first needs to be lazy" bug. 18:21
lizmat r: my @a=1,2,3; say first( {@a[$_]++}, ^3 ); say @a # hmmm… seems this *is* lazy 18:25
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«0␤2 2 3␤»
colomon lizmat: grep is lazy
[Coke] is this r running post-that commit?
colomon lizmat: that patch (at least in theory) carefully asks for only the first element returned by grep 18:26
r: say (1000..*).first(*.is_prime) 18:27
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«No such method 'is_prime' for invocant of type 'Int'␤ in block at /tmp/1iB9bXjTFg:1␤␤»
lizmat [Coke]: it returns the same result as I have here *with* that commit
colomon r: say (1000..*).first(*.is-prime)
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«1009␤»
colomon [Coke]: yes, that's latest rakudo there 18:28
r: say (1000...*).first(*.is-prime) 18:29
timotimo lizmat: i wrote tests to make sure that this implementation of .first will return on the first match and not try any more things
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«1009␤»
timotimo i also wrote tests to make sure that grep is lazy as well :)
lizmat realizes she still doesn't quite grok laziness yet 18:30
colomon it's possible that's not a long term solution, if someone modifies grep to lazily return answers in batches instead of one at a time. (timotimo++ for adding tests to roast so we can detect if it becomes a problem!) But it's definitely more correct than the previous version was. 18:32
timotimo i should probably make the tests a bit stricter for that 18:34
so that they fail as soon as one more item is evaluated than needed
[Coke] timotimo++ 18:36
cxreg how is nativecall working with jvm? call java libraries? 18:38
or is that rakudo -> jvm -> jni -> libc?
timotimo NativeCall is for calling C
there will be something different for java things 18:39
cxreg well, jnthn++ said "Happily, arnsholt++ has already started working on the NativeCall support
i was wondering what exactly that meant
timotimo ah. yes, it means the same as on parrot ;)
colomon that's on JVM
cxreg so ... still for calling native C libraries?
timotimo that's my interpretation, yes 18:40
cxreg ok
really amazing progress on that port. just astounding
timotimo it really is 18:42
[Coke] 07/17/2012 - last day niecza ran the daily run with no errors. 18:43
lizmat timotimo: wrt to "first": maybe a .gimme(1) might be in order, if I understand .gimme correctly (as it is under documented) 18:45
[Coke] wonders if adding another test file will screw up the 99% run, since it will change the percentages. 18:47
segomos [Coke]: depends on how many test files there are 18:49
dalek rlito: 183a6ee | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | src5/lib/Perlito5/ (2 files):
Perlito5 - indirect-object - fix builtin list; add more rules
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nwc10 [Coke]: try it in a branch, and cherry-pick it if it works out? :-) 18:51
timotimo [Coke]: i added 24 passing tests; we should be over 99% still
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[Coke] java run is done. just waiting for parrot run to (re)complete 18:52
timotimo adding the same number to the numerator and denominator should keep the number growing all in all 18:56
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[Coke] r: say 100 / 150; say 105 / 150 19:19
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«0.666667␤0.7␤»
[Coke] r: say 100 / 150; say 105 / 155
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«0.666667␤0.677419␤»
timotimo your point being? :) 19:20
should i have rather made 19 (not 24, i misremembered) old tests pass rather than adding 19 new passing ones? ;)
colomon well, making 19 failing tests pass is probably a greater achievement. 19:23
but writing new tests is a good thing too
timotimo it is, yeah 19:24
colomon I mean, I toyed with getting us pass 99% by adding a few thousand new passing tests. ;) 19:25
timotimo well, those tests were there before and they would have aborted earlier than half way through
but they were not in the spectest.data
Ulti in the limit of 100% implemented :/ I'm surprised I haven't heard stuff marketed like that before 19:27
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[Coke] need to move the rest of these tests off feather. 19:34
diakopter: any ideas on the locale problem
? 19:35
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dalek rl6-roast-data: 25751df | coke++ | / (5 files):
today (automated commit)
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colomon what's the word, [Coke] ?
lizmat 99.07%!
colomon \o/
jnthn \o/
donaldh \o/
jnthn Easily past the post!
colomon so, is that about 250 tests to go to reach parity with Parrot? 19:56
jnthn r: say 26203 - 25960
lizmat 243 by the looks of it
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«243␤»
donaldh If I add some tests for CUSTOM_LIB then they'll be new and _all pass_ :-)
lizmat
.oO( mental arithmetic beats typing any time ;-)
 19:57
FROGGS \o/
jnthn will celebrate with a Yeti :)
nwc10 \o/
what's a Yeti?
nwc10 is on Glenmorangie 19:58
FROGGS beer
jnthn WHAT?
nwc10 (it's open, and at the front)
donaldh is celebrating with a St Mungo and a pizza
FROGGS it is always beer *g*
lizmat is celebrating with some tea
nwc10 did tea earlier.
FROGGS well, I have coffee
lizmat unspiked, I might add
colomon has a nice new bottle of Talisker, but it's too early to celebrate here. :)
nwc10 jnthn: what "WHAT?" 19:59
jnthn nwc10: greatdivide.com/beer/year-round/yet...ial-stout/
nwc10 is on second. It's actually related to the awesome 99% result
ooh, Yeti looks nice
jnthn It's very nice :)
nwc10 but fattening
jnthn shhh :P
FROGGS sheepshagger ftw! 20:00
donaldh someone had to
FROGGS I had that once: www.travelblog.org/Photos/4282848
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FROGGS that is not me though 20:01
donaldh oO( you shag one sheep )
FROGGS they bartender said they try to convince the ppl that it is "sheeps hagger", but nobody believes it :o)
jnthn
.oO( whitespace is overrated :P )
 20:03
FROGGS :P
timotimo donaldh: did the custom lib things make it into nom already? wow, you're fast
donaldh timotimo: in my working copy 20:04
timotimo oh
donaldh trying to do enough to resurrect panda
timotimo you gotta be fast to still get it into the release :)
donaldh is debugging panda 20:05
jnthn suspects we might just be able to make a JVM-based Star release next month :)
donaldh is also eating pizza and drinking beer
timotimo next month will be very possible, this month may even work; donaldh would know better :) 20:06
r: for ([Z] <wanze tanzen>.map({ (reverse [\~] $^word.comb).item })) -> $wanze, $tanzen { say "Sieh dir diese $wanze an, wie die $wanze $tanzen kann!" }
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«Sieh dir diese wanze an, wie die wanze tanzen kann!␤Sieh dir diese wanz an, wie die wanz tanze kann!␤Sieh dir diese wan an, wie die wan tanz kann!␤Sieh dir diese wa an, wie die wa tan kann!␤Sieh dir diese w an, wie die w ta kann!␤»
FROGGS hehe, timotimo++ 20:07
nwc10 a JVM star would be mighty interesting.
timotimo reverse triangle reduce and Z-reduction :)
maybe [OP/] should be a thing, too? :3 20:08
donaldh is thinking too sloooowly 20:11
donaldh just realised that the 'use lib' magic is implemented by lib.pm6
timotimo indeed. and it's not really crazy magic either
donaldh export with side effects is all 20:12
timotimo EXPORT, not export ;)
lizmat abusing EXPORT for fun and profit
TimToady isn't the next goal 99.44% pure, like Ivory Soap? 20:13
[Coke] r: say 26203 * .9944 - 25960 20:15
camelia rakudo fe792f: OUTPUT«96.2632␤»
[Coke] so, about a hundred to go for that. 20:16
jnthn mebbe I'll work on Buf at the weekend. 20:17
dalek kudo/nom: ebb1a63 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | README:
Adjust README for 99%+ passing spectests
lizmat seemed appropriate :-) 20:18
timotimo that seems pretty conservative ;)
jnthn It's less capable, apart from in the ways it's more capable :P 20:19
donaldh jnthn: any idea how close rakudo-debugger might be to working?
lizmat yes, but the more capable parts are still experimental and unspecced, right ?
donaldh jnthn: I gave it a spin and got gist.github.com/donaldh/6032692
[Coke] I might add "slightly" before less.
jnthn lizmat: yeah
donaldh: It'll need some love, I think. :) 20:20
donaldh: It shouldn't be too bad, though.
donaldh jnthn: I imagine bootstrapping is not entirely compatible.
jnthn donaldh: I'd quite like to be able to show it running on JVM in my Rakudo JVM session at YAPC::EU. :) 20:21
donaldh: So I'm quite motivated to get it fixed in time for that :)
colomon YAPC::EU++ ;)
jnthn has 3 talks and wants to show something nice in each of them :) 20:22
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donaldh how do I append the contents of an array to another array in nqp ? 20:26
jnthn donaldh: nqp::splice 20:28
donaldh jnthn++
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lue hello world o/ 20:32
dalek kudo/nom: 4f210b1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | CREDITS:
Added recently active contributors to CREDITS
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lizmat was bored waiting for the compiler release 20:38
segomos tadzik: inside of coroutines, is it possible for me to 'say' things to stdout or is there some work around for it? 20:42
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lizmat rakudo has coroutines ? 20:44
dalek kudo/nom: 3384d0f | moritz++ | docs/announce/2013.07.md:
add announcement for 2013.07 release
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moritz I won't get around to do the rest of the release today 20:46
if somebody wants to pick up from here (lizmat? you were bored? :-), please do
otherwise I'll do the rest tomorrow
lizmat I don't know what needs to be done
is there a guide somewhere ? 20:47
FROGGS in /doc
release_guide or so
lizmat checks
moritz lizmat: docs/release_guide.pod
I've done the steps up to no. 5 20:48
(though if somebody wants to double-check the announcement, that would be great too)
lizmat: and if you give me your public ssh key, I can add it to rakudo.org so that you can upload the tarballs there 20:49
awwaiid_ moritz: s/This is only some of the changes/These are only some of the changes/ 20:50
moritz (pmichaud, jnthn, PerlJam, tadzik, masak and [Coke] can do that too)
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tylathos Hey 20:51
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FROGGS hi tylathos 20:55
tylathos now i think , i should write what i want here :-) so i want to know if i can help by perl6 , und excuse my bad english im from germany :-) 20:56
FROGGS hehe, I'm from near Berlin, you? 20:57
lizmat trying to solve some passwd issues to get the release going
FROGGS and yes, there are several ways you can help: 1) use it, every bit of feedback help to evolve the language/compiler (even though it is pretty mature) 20:59
tylathos at the moment at tenriffa but normaly at thuringia( City :saalfeld)
FROGGS ahh, I lived in Gera like 20 years or so
Ulti would be nice if .trim-trailing could take a parameter of what you want to trim if not white space
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FROGGS Ulti: what about .subst(/...$/, '') ? 21:00
having a trim-trailing that just is a subst method with implicit end-of-line matching is, well, a bit odd IMO 21:01
tylathos: what are you up to anyway? 21:02
Ulti its already that but just limited to white space
donaldh should @*INC include . or is that a special case for build?
jnthn Should not include . by default 21:03
Grrr...of all the things...my mouse if failing... 21:04
FROGGS :/
jnthn *is 21:05
tylathos im actually up for everything. i just want to help to get perl6 as wounderfull as perl5 21:06
dalek kudo/nom: 70d2306 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/release_guide.pod:
Step #6 of release process
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segomos tylathos: async ;) 21:06
lue some thoughts I had on Unicode in Perl 6 --> gist.github.com/lue/6033091 21:07
jnthn segomos: As in async { } blocks? :)
segomos jnthn: yes 21:09
lizmat I guess I'm not upping PARROT_REVISION for the release, right?
jnthn lizmat: Right, the release contained nearly nothing, certainly nothing we depend on.
lizmat ok, leaving that untouched then to be on the safe side
tylathos @segomos no i dont love perl5 becaus of his async or becaus of his easy Syntax. i love perl becaus of his community und becaus it was the First language i learned 21:10
jnthn segomos: Rakudo on JVM has very preliminary async { } support, if you didn't know :)
segomos tylathos: ? i was responding to you want to help p6 be as wonderful as p5. i love p6 thus far
jnthn: i'll switch to jvm and try it out.. 21:11
jnthn segomos: See my last blogpost for some info on it.
FROGGS tylathos: if you are not a compiler artist, you could port modules to Perl 6, or write new ones... That is one of the main blockers for most ppl
segomos jnthn: where do i find your blog on the information super highway? 21:12
tylathos Sry than i understood u wrong :-) My fault.
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FROGGS segomos: 6guts.wordpress.com/ 21:12
and this is a must-read: www.josetteorama.com/all-about-perl...rt-1-of-3/ 21:13
donaldh jnthn: I need to be patient enough for the whole spectest, but it looks like jvm runs fine now w/o -Xbootclasspath
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jnthn donaldh: Hmm. 21:13
donaldh: OK.
colomon hey, parts 2 and 3 are up now! \o/
timotimo oh, they are!
jnthn donaldh: I wonder if something we've done that tickled the bug is gone 21:14
timotimo without much trara
segomos i was trying tadzik 's Thread module but got lazy
FROGGS yeah, and they are awesome :o)
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donaldh jnthn: I remember that there was an intermittent bug that you fixed after the bootclasspath, there were probably others. 21:15
timotimo lue: i like the thing you did with thea headings
dalek p: a76c974 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | VERSION:
bump VERSION to 2013.07
lue (except the one that was added after-the-fact and inbetween existing ones :)
timotimo yeah 21:16
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dalek kudo/nom: a397320 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/announce/2013.07.md:
Small grammar fix for announcement, suggested by awwaiid++
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lizmat -- release status: checking nqp (step 3 in nqp release guide) 21:20
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lizmat -- release status: created tarball (step 4 in nqp release guide) 21:23
-- release status: testing tarball (step 5 in nqp release guide) 21:24
jnthn
.oO( lizbot )
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lizmat -- release status: tagging NQP (step 6 in nqp release guide) 21:34
-- release status: uploading tarball (step 7 in nqp release guide) (to be done by jnthn, as I have an access snafu to rakudo.org) 21:36
jnthn Should be there now
FROGGS lizmat: please dont send the announcement till it is up 21:37
lizmat -- release status: continuing with rakudo release process (step 8 in nqp release guide)
FROGGS: till nqp tarball is up ?
FROGGS both
lizmat okidoki 21:38
dalek kudo/nom: 01b39fd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
[release] bump NQP revision
 21:40
kudo/nom: b15bdcb | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | VERSION:
[release] bump VERSION
 21:41
lizmat -- release status: check if everything compiles from a clean slate (step 11 in rakudo release guide) 21:42
timotimo i wonder if i can rebase the nodal branch upon current nom ... 21:44
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BenGoldberg rpn: my @a := gather { }; my @b; say @a[0], @b[0]; 21:46
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«(Any)(Any)␤»
..rakudo 70d230: OUTPUT«Nil(Any)␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«␤»
lizmat that's actually a known bug in rakudo
BenGoldberg Oh, ok :) 21:47
timotimo lizmat has been banging 'er head against nil/default/Any/... for a few days recently :)
lizmat r: my $a=Nil; say $a # should sau (Any)
jnthn timotimo: probably :)
camelia rakudo 70d230: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
jnthn lizmat: I thought we fixed that bit? :)
lizmat r: my Int $a=Nil; say $a # says (Int) correctly
camelia rakudo 70d230: OUTPUT«(Int)␤»
timotimo jnthn: "can" was the wrong word. probably "can feel comfortable to" or something like that
i guess i can just do it.
lizmat jnthn: no, if I do that, half of the test-suite fails
jnthn timotimo: Sure you can. rebase is immutable :)
lizmat: ah... :)
timotimo: If you don't like the result, you can always undo it ;) 21:48
lizmat and before I think we can fix that, we need "is default(Nil)" to work, I think
jnthn Yeah, I know, I need to get var traits in :)
timotimo jnthn: i was refering to "don't rebase something you've pushed" 21:49
jnthn timotimo: ah, true
timotimo: Well, you can always greate a new branch that is the other thing but rebased :) 21:50
timotimo people will have it in their reflog if they even have it checked out :)
and if they don't, it'll be overwritten by default iirc.
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BenGoldberg So did anyone figure out why the following happens? 21:52
rpn: my @a := gather { take 'one'; say 'HUH?' }; say 'zero'; for (@a) { say $_; last }
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«zero␤one␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«HUH?␤zero␤one␤»
..rakudo 70d230: OUTPUT«zero␤HUH?␤one␤»
timotimo yes, for is non-lazy by default it appears. 21:53
BenGoldberg Can it be made lazy? 21:54
timotimo should, yeah 21:55
timotimo doesn't really know how
BenGoldberg niecza gets it right ;)
timotimo did you see i made .first lazy on rakudo based on colomon++'s work :) 21:56
BenGoldberg Yes, timotimo+++ :) 21:57
Opps, timotimo++
timotimo now i have two ++'s? 21:58
FROGGS karma timotimo
err
.karma timotimo
hmmm
BenGoldberg .ping
yoleaux There is no ping command; nor can this be construed as a response.
geekosaur *snrk*
FROGGS preflex: karma timotimo 21:59
preflex timotimo: 97
timotimo is that so? \o/
BenGoldberg But we don't know what your karma was before the +++ 22:00
preflex: karma BenGoldberg
preflex BenGoldberg has no karma
BenGoldberg BenGoldberg+++
preflex: karma BenGoldberg
preflex BenGoldberg has no karma
FROGGS preflex: karma timo
preflex timo: 2
FROGGS preflex: karma Timo Paulssen
preflex Timo Paulssen: 75
colomon .karma colomon
FROGGS :o)
BenGoldberg BenGoldberg++
preflex: karma BenGoldberg
preflex BenGoldberg: -1
BenGoldberg Heh
lizmat -- release status: creating tarball (step 12 in rakudo release guide)
FROGGS lizmat++ 22:01
lizmat -- release status: testing tarball (step 13 in rakudo release guide)
colomon preflex: karma colomon 22:02
preflex colomon: 250
FROGGS preflex: karma FROGGS
preflex FROGGS: 119
FROGGS preflex: karma Tobias Leich
preflex Tobias Leich: 103
timotimo you're doing good, froggs :)
FROGGS uhh, 103 is my userid at $work
:o)
FROGGS .oO( I know where I belong in mysql tables ) 22:03
and now I belong in $bed
gnight all
timotimo good night FROGGS :)
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lizmat gnight FROGGS! 22:03
colomon \o
timotimo 'tis a good release, i think. people are going to respond less negatively to it than usual, won't they?
lizmat tis a good release, I don't care much what negatively predisposed people think of it 22:07
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lizmat -- release status: tagging release (step 14 in rakudo release guide) 22:21
-- release status: uploaded tarball and verified availability (step 15 in rakudo release guide)
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lizmat -- release status: announce on perl6-compiler (step 16 in rakudo release guide) 22:26
colomon \o/
lizmat++
lizmat -- release status: update Wikipedia entry (step 17 in rakudo release guide)
-- release status: appropriate amounts of fun! (step 18 in rakudo release guide)
dalek ecs: 1cce200 | jnthn++ | S12-objects.pod:
Flesh out EXPORTHOW specification a bit.

Provide for safe compositional use of meta-objects as well as custom package declarators. Also spec that compilers should complain about trying to import two different replacement meta-objects for the same declarator in a single scope.		 22:27
timotimo \o/ 22:29
dalek kudo/nom: 099f0b3 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/release_guide.pod:
Tweaks for next rakudo release
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jnthn Will get Rakudo caught up with that new spec update sometime in the next days. :) 22:34
(Yes, it's part of a plan for something.) 22:35
lizmat I always see a lot of warnings like "warning: unknown warning option '-Wno-long-double'; did you mean 22:36
'-Wno-long-long'? [-Wunknown-warning-option]"
shouldn't the makefile be tweaked for this? at least on OS X ?
r: my @a:= squish( 1..Inf ); say @a[3] # glad to see squish() is also lazy thanks to grep() 22:45
huh?
camelia rakudo b15bdc: OUTPUT«4␤»
lizmat yeah!
n: my @a:= squish( 1..Inf ); say @a[3] 22:47
camelia niecza v24-88-g1f87209: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'squish' used at line 1␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1502 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 36) ␤ at /h…
dalek ast: 0d03605 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/squish.t:
Make sure squish() is lazy
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lizmat p: my @a:= squish( 1..Inf ); say @a[3] 22:53
camelia pugs: OUTPUT«*** No such subroutine: "&squish"␤ at /tmp/x2rGIOCQhA line 1, column 1-25␤»
dalek ast: 03a7771 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/squish.t:
Properly fudge squish tests to Niecza and Pugs
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lizmat and on that thought, I call it a day! And what a day it was, suddenly becoming release manager because I was bored :-) moritz++ 22:55
sleep&
timotimo good night lizmat :) 22:56
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jnthn 'night, #perl6 23:13
colomon \o 23:14
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