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[Coke] good morning, #perl6 06:14
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FROGGS[mobile] o/ 06:23
timotimo o/
tadzik o/
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[Coke] o/ 06:24
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[Coke] anyone seen jnthn? ;) 06:28
tadzik yes
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timotimo bleeeh, the wifi blocks everything that isn't port 80 06:58
time to do some h4x0ring
timotimo pays attention 07:00
FROGGS (built-in mobile broadband)++
timotimo i may only push 1 gig through this before i get slowed down massively 07:02
FROGGS I just get tons of SMS then telling me how muh euros I have to pay (which I don't, because it has unlimited bandwidth, due to my employer) 07:04
timotimo wow nice 07:05
i can pay up 3 euros to get "some more"
no idea how much i get for that
probably really not much
yay a tunnel 07:08
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[Coke] \o/ 07:09
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woolfy jnthn just started the course NQP/Perl6 in the Ökohaus ("ecological house") in Frankfurt. 07:12
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timotimo yaaaaay 07:27
hoelzro ~\o/ 07:28
woolfy Hey you two, pay attention to the teacher! :-) 07:29
jnthn thought he would give a course to maybe 5 or 6 people. So there we are in a full room with 16 attendees. 07:32
timotimo the future of rakudo really is bright 07:33
woolfy timotimo++
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timotimo No LoL! 08:06
moritz good morning 08:08
timotimo hello moritz
moritz I hope somebody takes notes, and makes some comprehensive blog posts or docs out of them
timotimo we have an audio recording and coke offered to transcribe it 08:09
moritz \o/
does jnthn have slides? or does he browse through the relevant code pieces?
timotimo he has slides and we have print-outs 08:10
and there's some shells and some pointing at source code
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timotimo maybe we should be taking a screenshot of jnthns desktop every 5 seconds and play that at the same time as the audio or something? 08:11
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timotimo we are about to write our own compiler to replace rakudo 08:12
at this workshop, we are going to make perl6 and rakudo obsolete
FROGGS *g* 08:14
pssst!
moritz you'll make it a thing of the qast 08:15
FROGGS hehe
timotimo metacpan.org/module/Imager::Screenshot <- this could take screenshots of jnthns screen periodically 08:30
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timotimo too late now, though 08:30
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timotimo now we're laughing about php 08:56
ooh good times
tadzik for every language community, there's at least one other language community that laughs at it 08:57
timotimo that seems fair 08:59
well, except python i guess, because NO LOL 09:01
tadzik so: for every language community, there's at least one other language community that laughs at it, except python, which doesn't LOL
timotimo ah, right, that doesn't require every language community to laugh about any specific number of other communities 09:02
moritz what language does the cobol community laugh at? 09:06
tadzik . o O ( dead people don't laugh )
timotimo they laugh about all other language communities because nobody makes as much money as them 09:07
tadzik hah
wiping off their tears with dollars
timotimo if nqp doesn't have pairs, what is $_ in this?
nqp: my %h; %h<foo> := "bar"; %h<raniw> := "awesome"; for %h { say($_.key); say($_.value) }
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«foo␤bar␤raniw␤awesome␤»
tadzik the plot thickens 09:08
timotimo nqp: Pair.new(:key(1), :value(100))
camelia nqp: ( no output )
moritz nqp: my %h; %h<foo> := "bar"; %h<raniw> := "awesome"; for % { say($_.HOW.name($_)) } 09:09
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«get_number() not implemented in class 'Sub'␤current instr.: '' pc 129 ((file unknown):153102738) (/tmp/RS_2O076Q0:1)␤»
moritz nqp-jvm: my %h; %h<foo> := "bar"; %h<raniw> := "awesome"; for % { say($_.HOW.name($_)) }
camelia nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«Cannot numify this␤ in <anon>␤ in <anon>␤ in eval␤ in evalfiles␤ in command_eval␤ in command_line␤ in MAIN␤ in <anon>␤ in <anon>»
moritz it seems to be something that doesn't numify, but I have no idea why it would numify 09:10
timotimo why not look at the source of <anon> and find out? :) 09:11
we should have made a stencil on github for "attend RaNIW" 09:17
tadzik stencil?
timotimo questhub*
not github
tadzik oh :)
free karma
timotimo exercise time soon :3 09:25
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timotimo tadzik: when i turn the second argument to the pointy block optional, it'll end up doing one item at a time; is that my mistake? 09:45
tadzik timotimo: I want to ask jnthn once he's free to answer :) 09:51
timotimo good
tadzik I stumbled upon that as well, wondering if it's a bug or a feature
timotimo i will snoop the conversation
turns out i don't know how to nqp::sprintf 09:52
or maybe i don't know how to hash 09:54
nqp: say(nqp::hash(:foo(1))<foo>) 09:55
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Error while compiling block : Error while compiling op call (source text: "nqp::hash(:foo(1))<foo>"): Error while compiling op ifnull: Error while compiling op if: Error while compiling op isconcrete: Error while compiling op bind: Error while compiling op hash (source text:…
timotimo that's not how you do it ...
nqp: my %h := nqp::hash(:foo(1)); say(%h<foo>);
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Error while compiling block : Error while compiling op bind (source text: ":="): Error while compiling op hash (source text: "nqp::hash(:foo(1))"): Unknown QAST node type NQPMu␤current instr.: '' pc 52004 (src/stage2/QAST.pir:18966) (src/stage2/QAST.nqp:3186)␤»
timotimo i ... don't quite know what i just did wrong
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timotimo wow, so many tuits on the table 10:02
[Coke] lizmat: I need power back soon. 10:04
FROGGS nqp: my %h := nqp::hash('foo', 1); 10:05
camelia nqp: ( no output )
[Coke] thank you. sorry about the clanking. 10:06
timotimo i can only assume the animation referred to is something to be found on weebls-stuff? 10:07
FROGGS yeah, I just woke up ò.ó
[Coke] timotimo: sadly, yes.
timotimo in what way is that sad?
weebls stuff makes me happy most of the time
[Coke] I dislike weebls.
timotimo this email regex will also match ...@...oh 10:10
lizmat [Coke]: thanks for the loan of the power adapter! 10:11
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timotimo is the smoke results page on a different ip now or just incredibly slow to respond? 10:16
because seeing my changes make the modules green would make me happy :3 10:18
why did nobody ever mention --rxtrace and MyGrammar.HOW.trace-on(MyGrammar)?? 10:23
tadzik yeah, same thought here
[Coke] I feel like a dunce. I'm still trying to get the 1.x examples to compile. Oy. 10:24
timotimo [Coke]: pastebin it or something?
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timotimo --rxtrace for rakudo only seems to show a trace up to a call to comp_unit :( 10:31
tadzik you can put <?DEBUG(1)> in rakudo grammar 10:32
timotimo ooooh
all this shiny new stuff 10:33
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moritz now runs an openid provider, because his last two have stopped operating 10:39
timotimo :o
is openid dying?
moritz maybe
tadzik the last one I used stopped working and I lost my SO account
not falling for that thing again :|
timotimo how did you lose your account? 10:40
did you misbehave? :p
tadzik I don't have that openid anymore
because that openid's dead
timotimo oh, crap
tadzik I could go to SO now and say "hey, I was the owner of that account. I have no proof, but I really was" 10:41
timotimo so there's still a reason to associate a classic email address thing to accounts made like that :|
well, openid wants to be decentralised anyway
tadzik thing is, when you use it everywhere, you centralize yourself with this openid 10:42
(if you know what I mean)
of course, otherwise you cetralize yourself with an email
so it's the same, really
timotimo yeah 10:43
tadzik but everytime I used openid, the site was like "oh, you have openid? Cool, now open an account here linked with that openid!"
timotimo totally what you want, right?
tadzik so the only thing I don't need is a new password
which doesn't matter, because I don't remember any of my passwords anyway
except the password to a passwords-file
timotimo i remember a few passwords, most are in a pwsafe 10:44
dalek : bfdcd2e | (Tobias Leich)++ | lib/Perl5.nqp:
enable tracing of grammars

By for example: V5TRACE=Perl5::RegexGrammar		 10:49
timotimo :D 10:50
FROGGS *g*
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FROGGS so I don't forget about it... 10:51
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timotimo i have a super clever representation of a time in nqp 10:57
hours * 100 + minutes!
colomon \o 10:58
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[Coke] colomon: hio 11:02
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timotimo about to have noms i hope 11:02
[Coke] so, IRCLOG.HOW.trace-on(IRCLOG); shows me when the grammar is calling certain tokens - how can I see where it's failing when it fails?
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lizmat lunch& 11:07
colomon how's the workshop going 11:08
?
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krunen back from lunch (at least the ones not having dessert...) 12:00
timotimo colomon: it's going good :) 12:01
colomon \o/ 12:02
timotimo colomon: were you the one who's running the smoker?
FROGGS timotimo: if you are curious: irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/2013-09-12#i_7579501 12:04
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timotimo oic 12:09
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colomon timotimo: yes 12:17
timotimo can you give an updated IP? or restart the webapp or whatever it needs doing to be up again? :) 12:21
FROGGS tadzik: you are going to fix #122? 12:29
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tadzik #122 what? 12:32
timotimo 'til 6 today
FROGGS tadzik: your nqp issue
tadzik oh, wasn't planning to
not yet at least
FROGGS [nqp] Iterating on multiple values nqp doesn't get optional items right (#122)
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timotimo i feel like i'm going to nap from 6:30 today to 07:30 tomorrow >_<
FROGGS timotimo: you mean only at that time? :o)
timotimo :/ 12:33
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timotimo i have a suspicion that people are not going to allow me to fall asleep during the workshop 12:34
timotimo learns another bit of exotic, but fun to use syntax 12:44
moritz timotimo: which one? 12:46
timotimo <( and )> in regex
[Coke] nqp: gist.github.com/coke/6561753
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Unable to open filehandle from path 'section2.sample': No such file or directory(2)␤current instr.: 'open' pc 570 (src/stage2/gen/NQPCORE.setting.pir:265) (src/stage2/NQPCORE.setting:627)␤»
timotimo what problem are you getting? no match? 12:47
[Coke] with line 44, this dies: Cannot look up attributes in a type object in (section2.nqp:44)
(if I just print out the ast, it works. try to save it in the action's private attribute, boom. 12:48
timotimo yes, your make is empty :)
the TOP make
[Coke] slightly different error if I use @!lines = [];
timotimo oh, wait, that's *after* the error
oh 12:49
i know what's wrong
[Coke] timotimo: aye. I'm ignoring the top level make and creating an array in the class.
moritz [Coke]: = is wrng in nqp
timotimo you're supplying the class IRCLOG::Actions, but the parse will not make it an instance for you
[Coke] I lied. -same- error if I init @!lines
timotimo so your @!lines is trying to access a type object actually
try :actions(IRCLOG::Actions.new) instead 12:50
[Coke] timotimo: arglebargle.
timotimo :)
moritz timotimo++
timotimo i wondered if i should notify jnthn of that when the first slide with actions came up, but it's simpler without instances ... until you want instance attributes ;))
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dalek kudo-js: 88dd289 | (Pawel Murias)++ | / (6 files):
Start of a serialization implementation.
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timotimo \o/
tadzik ooooh :) 12:54
timotimo "after this talk you can be this crazy, too"
tadzik that reminded me of a class at the university, where we programmed an MCU by giving it a stream of 0's and 1's 12:55
timotimo "arghlbarghl" is a fun word
tadzik timotimo: images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2008...rgarbl.jpg 12:58
timotimo tadzik: you don't even look so old
tadzik timotimo: my university does
:)
but it was fun
timotimo i can imagine :)
tadzik it was also at 8 AM and lasted 4 hours. Parts of my sanity will stay in that classroom forever 12:59
timotimo they'll keep finding pieces of your sanity under and behind furniture for ages
tadzik by that logic, that room should be full of sanity by now 13:00
timotimo huh. we've gone through a tiny part of the slides, but already a big chunk of the time
tadzik I thought it's exactly the opposite :P
timotimo :D
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timotimo i just missed a question for what pointy blocks are? 13:11
tadzik yes
timotimo nqp: say(&infix:<eq>("foo", "foo")) 13:14
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Use of undeclared variable '&infix' at line 2, near ":<eq>(\"foo"␤current instr.: 'panic' pc 14693 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:5223) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279)␤»
timotimo juice: shake before drinking 13:17
nqp: my @a := [1,2,3,4]; nqp::deletepos(@a, 2); say(nqp::join(" ", @a)); 13:20
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Error while compiling block : Error while compiling op deletepos (source text: "nqp::deletepos(@a, 2)"): No registered operation handler for 'deletepos'␤current instr.: '' pc 52004 (src/stage2/QAST.pir:18966) (src/stage2/QAST.nqp:3186)␤»
timotimo how do i get rid of an entry in the middle of a list? probably splice manually?
i think i missed the reason why we had :s in the rules 13:22
FROGGS timotimo: I think he had not explained it yet
timotimo OK 13:23
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timotimo what's the parameters to splice again? splice(the-array, start-index, remove-how-many, replacement-array)? 13:28
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colomon timotimo: 97.95.33.142:3001/report appears to work for me. But that's what it's been for a while, and I didn't touch the app 13:34
[Coke] nqp: my %a := nqp::hash; say(%a.keys.elems); 13:37
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Method 'keys' not found for invocant of class 'Hash'␤current instr.: '' pc 58 ((file unknown):44) (/tmp/kMtFyJIy9P:1)␤»
[Coke] nqp: my %a := nqp::hash; say(%a.^methods);
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say(%a.^me"␤current instr.: 'panic' pc 14693 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:5223) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279)␤»
timotimo wat. oooh, duh
all ports except 80 and 443 are blocked here
silly me :)
WAT. "if $match { ... }" gives me elements() not implemented in class 'Float' 13:38
[Coke] nqp: class Barf is Hash { ... } 13:39
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Unable to parse expression in blockoid; couldn't find final '}' at line 2, near "... }"␤current instr.: 'panic' pc 14693 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:5223) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279)␤»
[Coke] nqp: class Barf is Hash { }
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Could not find parent class 'Hash' at line 2, near ""␤current instr.: 'panic' pc 14693 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:5223) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279)␤»
timotimo or perhaps that error comes from my invocation of splice?
nqp::splice(@db, $idx, 1, []); <- doesn't seem wrong? 13:40
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[Coke] ... man, this is frustrating. 13:42
timotimo [Coke]: what are you struggling with?
i'm frustrated now, too :)
[Coke] be nice if I had finished that nqp opcode docs I thought about doing. :)
timotimo :D
agreed
[Coke] right now: I can't make a class that I can substitute for a hash. barring that, how do I find out if a hash is empty.
timotimo nqp: my @arr = [1, 2, 3, 4]; nqp::splice(@arr, 2, 1, []); say(nqp::join(", ", @arr)); 13:43
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Assignment ("=") not supported in NQP, use ":=" instead at line 2, near " [1, 2, 3,"␤current instr.: 'panic' pc 14693 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:5223) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.nqp:279)␤»
timotimo nqp: my @arr := [1, 2, 3, 4]; nqp::splice(@arr, 2, 1, []); say(nqp::join(", ", @arr));
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«elements() not implemented in class 'Integer'␤current instr.: '' pc 85 ((file unknown):55) (/tmp/D6YaITV7YF:1)␤»
timotimo you can use nqp::elems for hashes, too
nqp: my @arr := [1, 2, 3, 4]; nqp::splice(@arr, 2, [], 1); say(nqp::join(", ", @arr));
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«elements() not implemented in class 'Integer'␤current instr.: '' pc 85 ((file unknown):55) (/tmp/2p7_OqSjiB:1)␤»
timotimo nqp: my @arr := [1, 2, 3, 4]; nqp::splice(@arr, 2, []); say(nqp::join(", ", @arr));
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«Error while compiling block : Error while compiling op splice (source text: "nqp::splice(@arr, 2, [])"): Operation 'splice' requires 4 operands, but got 3␤current instr.: '' pc 52004 (src/stage2/QAST.pir:18966) (src/stage2/QAST.nqp:3186)␤»
timotimo i don't understand how nqp::splice works, clearly
ah, like this: 13:44
nqp: my @arr := [1, 2, 3, 4]; nqp::splice(@arr, [], 2, 1); say(nqp::join(", ", @arr));
camelia nqp: OUTPUT«1, 2, 4␤»
[Coke] timotimo++
(nqp::elems ftw)
timotimo my DELETE now seems to work :D 13:45
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[Coke] ... I thought mine did, until I tried deleting the first record. 13:49
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pmurias [Coke]: if any ops are confusing I could document them 13:52
[Coke] \o/
pmurias: no, I just need a corpus of all of them.
timotimo mine is at least capable of deleting the last line
[Coke] (yay, DELETE (*&#@$#@ works) 13:53
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FROGGS lizmat: btw, my wife++ ordered an embroidery machine while I am absent... so we might be able to make awesome camelia/perl6 shirts in the near future 14:00
lizmat oooh, wow!
[Coke] ooooh 14:01
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timotimo ooooh 14:04
tadzik aww yiss
timotimo mother*Δ∂ℝℕ∃Δ butterflies :)
tadzik :D
timotimo omg dese cookies 14:06
tadzik yeah 14:07
timotimo oh god so much sugar 14:10
tadzik Troi would love that
FROGGS timotimo: you can be our sugar layer then :o)
Troi++ 14:11
timotimo star trek reference?
FROGGS yesh
"I feel pain"
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[Coke] not no way, not knowhow. 14:32
timotimo apparently we've passed the 50% mark for today in terms of slide count 14:34
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nwc10 timotimo: and you're not allowed to leave until it reaches 100%? 14:35
yoleaux 13 Sep 2013 20:58Z <jnthn> nwc10: Well, I registered at least...
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FROGGS so, we are done at 24:34 ? 14:35
timotimo haha
the exercises are not annotated with which day they are on 14:36
but it seems like we'll reach exercise 4 today 14:39
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timotimo i hereby propose a hand-sign for "perl6 is great" wherein you give a thumbs up on one hand and a full hand on the other (so the fingers shown add up to 6) 14:40
TimToady
.oO(Please stop, I'm hitchhiking.)
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.oO(Halt! I'm carjacking you!)
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timotimo TimToady: in that case, the hand should be flipped over, so that the back of the hand is shown to the recipient
that should make it distinct
TimToady doubtless this is an obscene gesture in some culture or other 14:44
timotimo sure
in python culture it's obscene to claim "perl6 is great"
TimToady lol
timotimo no lol!
flussence rn: say time, (* X/ 60, 60, 24, 7) ... * < 60 14:45
tadzik I was thinking about bringing up python, but I didn't want to look languagist
camelia rakudo 67c6fd: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \v: Mu *%_)␤ in method Numeric at src/gen/CORE.setting:924␤ in sub infix:</> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3610␤ in sub infix:</> at src/gen/CORE.setting:3607␤ in block at src/gen/CORE.setting:15762␤ in …
..niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«1379169907.537071 22986165.125617851 22986165.125617851 57465412.814044625 197024272.50529584␤»
TimToady only ls is allowed, huh?
timotimo tadzik: python is a good target because "no lol" is such a meme in perl6-land nowadays; otherwise it's an okay language and community in my experience
flussence: i'm not sure if you have to put parens after X/? 14:46
TimToady timotimo: it's a list infix, doesn't parens like a hyper would 14:47
timotimo oke
TimToady a word out
timotimo a word out to my homies 14:49
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[Coke] zzzzzzzzzzz
timotimo [Coke]: you already know all this? ;)
[Coke] someone kick my chair if I start snoring. ( lag is overpowering jnthn's presentation. :( 15:06
timotimo poor you :(
i am super tired, too, but i can't blame jetlag
[Coke] timotimo: it's only 11 am! why am I tired? ;)
timotimo hehehe
you've only been up since midnight or so? 15:07
nah, probably more like 2am
timezones are hard
[Coke] my eyes are open, wendy. :P
timotimo hehehe
woolfy Coke: I saw that... (I so hopen I could come over and startle you a bit) 15:08
s/hopen/hoped/
timotimo yays, game::crypt and druid are now showing checkmarks! :) 15:10
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FROGGS ha! I already stubbed PHP :P 15:12
timotimo jnthn is reviving Cardinal!
i wanna have a napwaffle
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colomon Cardinal? Ruby on Parrot? 15:17
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nwc10 I'll have a guess that this time it's Ruby on NQP (on Parrot or JVM) 15:18
tadzik let's write a PIR compiler in NQP on JVM 15:21
then we can have Parrot on JVM
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timotimo let's compile parrot to emscripten first and write a javascript compiler in nqp 15:23
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TimToady thinks you should start with something easy like Perl 6 15:30
diakopter *headpillow* 15:31
timotimo diakopter: who are you smothering?
[Coke] hey, diakopter is awake.
tadzik not anymore
diakopter wait, TimToady is awake; I should be awake 15:32
woolfy stroopwafel!
TimToady actually, the desk eventually got soft enough that he can just use it for a pillow now
diakopter (new microsoft sculpt keyboard) 15:33
forgot the ++
TimToady my keyboard doesn't have a ++ key...
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TimToady well, there's the 􏿽xEF􏿽xA9􏿽x9E key 15:34
[Coke] I think I have half a key.
diakopter ⧺
TimToady ⱡ 15:35
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TimToady wow, ⩴ 15:35
.u ::=
yoleaux U+003A COLON [Po] (:) 15:36
U+003D EQUALS SIGN [Sm] (=)
TimToady eh?
diakopter .u 29e7 15:37
yoleaux U+29E7 THERMODYNAMIC [Sm] (⧧)
diakopter .u 29fb
yoleaux U+29FB TRIPLE PLUS [Sm] (⧻)
TimToady .u 2a74 15:38
yoleaux U+2A74 DOUBLE COLON EQUAL [Sm] (⩴)
moritz .u 􏿽xEF􏿽xA9􏿽x9E
yoleaux U+FA5E CJK COMPATIBILITY IDEOGRAPH-FA5E [Lo] (􏿽xEF􏿽xA9􏿽x9E)
TimToady .u 卄 15:39
yoleaux No characters found
diakopter 6.0 I think
TimToady .u 卌
yoleaux No characters found
TimToady nah, it's in the BMP 15:40
I'm a bit surprised that 2a74 copy/pastes as 3 chars rather than 1
the ::=
diakopter maybe it's a double-wide plus 1 15:41
nope
⩴ 15:42
TimToady .u ⩴ 15:44
yoleaux U+2A74 DOUBLE COLON EQUAL [Sm] (⩴)
TimToady there we go
typed it in directly to gnome instead of pasting
if there's a DOUBLE PLUS, why isn't there DOU 15:45
DOUBLE MINUS?
diakopter
.oO( at least my windowing system isn't named after lawn art.. )
TimToady or a DOUBLE PLUS UNGOOD?
timotimo we will need to do a third day! 15:46
TimToady
.oO( at least my OS isn't named after a fruit )
moritz sees stroopwafels being mentioned in the backlog!
TimToady what makes a wafel stroop? 15:47
diakopter is that a mix between strep and croop?
moritz stroop = sirup 15:48
woolfy It is a beautiful Dutch word meaning sirup waffle
It's full of calorie goodness
moritz and taste. Don't forget the taste!
woolfy ack 15:49
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lizmat [Coke] liked it 15:49
moritz suspect mberends++ might be behind it
TimToady give me the stroop, but leave out the wafel, assuming it's made of wheatflour...
[Coke] I am coughing at the moment. 15:50
diakopter strep or croop?
[Coke] lizmat++ hosting.
TimToady diakopter: stroop
woolfy TimToady: indeed, it is not health for you 15:51
s/health/healthy/
diakopter okay, why would a waffle go well with stirrups
woolfy because the stirrups are spelled wrong? 15:52
[Coke] wonders what the syntax was that let you say "use these as delimiters and complain smartly if we don't find the closer"
TimToady to delimit what?
moritz [Coke]: tilda between the delimiters
diakopter my fav syrup is Mrs. Butterworth's, in the iconic caricature woman bottle
[Coke] ah, ~ 15:53
it looked like a dash on the slide.
moritz '( ~ ')' <[()]>*
erm
'( ~ ')' <-[()]>*
TimToady wonders if .*? would work there 15:54
moritz not in rakudo
TimToady well, it would allow a ( I guess
moritz because the inside doesn't backtrac, I think
lizmat still thinks that .ast should have been called .made 15:55
tadzik php: echo"foo\n"
damn :(
moritz nr: say so '(abc)' ~~ /'(' ~ ')' .*?/
camelia niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to parse anonymous regex␤Couldn't find final ')'; gave up␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1536 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 2950 (Cursor.FAILGOAL @ 6) ␤ at /tmp/fo8Fv2LDef line 1 (ANO…
..rakudo 67c6fd: OUTPUT«Unable to parse expression in ; couldn't find final ')'␤ in any FAILGOAL at src/stage2/QRegex.nqp:1037␤ in regex at /tmp/ljPkLnDJjJ:1␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:11864␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:740␤ in block at /tmp/ljPkLnDJjJ…
TimToady maybe we should rename 'make' to 'as'
moritz nr: say so '(abc)'' ~~ /'(' ~ ')' .*?/
camelia rakudo 67c6fd: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/elSTRqx0ms␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/elSTRqx0ms:1␤------> say so '(abc)'⏏' ~~ /'(' ~ ')' .*?/␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤ …
..niecza v24-95-ga6d4c5f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Two terms in a row at /tmp/v3OevacJCB line 1:␤------> say so '(abc)'⏏' ~~ /'(' ~ ')' .*?/␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
moritz ok, rakudo andniecza agree, the .*? doesn't backtrack 15:56
timotimo i'm a bit worried about :node, you pass a $/ which potentially carries around tons of other objects unnecessarily; but at least these nodes don't make it into the compilation
diakopter timotimo: why wouldn't they get serialized? 15:58
krunen tadzik: PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected end of file, expecting ',' or ';' in Command line code on line 1
tadzik odd
timotimo diakopter: i see no reason for it to be serialised
if it does get serialised: WTH 15:59
tadzik krunen: gist.github.com/tadzik/6563134
krunen I just did php -r from the command line, not in a file
tadzik yay for consistency 16:00
krunen :/
timotimo the only thing consistency does is reduce the possibility of DWIM 16:01
tadzik (I pushed a less wrong rakudobrew to github, btw) 16:02
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diakopter I think a serialization dumper would be wildly informative 16:02
woolfy OK, finished for today. On our way to drop off stuff at the hotel and off to Restaurant Koriander in the Leipzigerstrasse 20 for dinner.
jnthn++
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lizmat jnthn++ 16:02
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pmurias diakopter: serialization dumper - you mean something that will turn the serialization format nqp uses into something humanly readable? 16:21
tadzik it's human readable, for some value of human... ;) 16:22
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jnthn yay I survived! 16:27
pmurias tadzik: well you can read it, just not understand it ;)
jnthn I think the best bet is probably to deserialize it and then go through all the objects in it 16:28
You can get the number of objects
And get them out by index. 16:29
pmurias jnthn: you are reviving Cardinal? 16:34
jnthn pmurias: Only if somebody takes my Rubyish and makes it less -ish :P 16:35
dinner & 16:36
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dalek kudo-js: b78980b | (Pawel Murias)++ | / (4 files):
Use one kind of serialization contexts for both serialization and deserialization.
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kudo-js: 9f33a7d | (Pawel Murias)++ | runtime (4 files):
When deserializing objects mark the serialization context they came from.
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dalek kudo-js: a78078e | (Pawel Murias)++ | runtime/serialization_writer.js:
Serialize the type check cache correctly.
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kudo-js: c70bbd8 | (Pawel Murias)++ | runtime/ (2 files):
Serialize P6num correctly
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dalek kudo-js: f184c52 | (Pawel Murias)++ | runtime/reprs.js:
Serialize P6str correctly
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BenGoldberg Good afternoon 17:45
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timotimo hi 18:04
been 18:06
er
ben, i think for is not going to stay lazy by spec, but map does what you want 18:07
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lue hello world! o/ 18:17
timotimo hey lue 18:32
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pmurias jnthn: if an knowhow has the P6int repr it gains the ability to be boxed and nqp knows how to extract an int from it? 18:59
timotimo should do, yes 19:02
said jnthn
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poor_soul hi, #perl6! are you all at the workshop? 19:52
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moritz not all of us :( 19:53
poor_soul i was testing moarvm and got a failing test during 'make test', is someone interested? 19:54
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moritz maybe in #moarvm 19:55
poor_soul will they be there?
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moritz has no idea 19:56
but #moarvm is also logged
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[Coke] signs on from the "bar". 19:59
ah. it's easy to catch on logs when so many people are here in person. 20:00
moritz puts some more logs into the fire 20:02
flussence misread those 2 lines as "catch on fire when..." 20:04
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dalek rl6-roast-data: 91523f0 | coke++ | p (2 files):
today (automated commit)
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tadzik sorear! \o/ 20:21
dalek ast: f728c56 | coke++ | S02-names-vars/variables-and-packages.t:
pugs fudge
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timotimo gaaah this doesn't make any sense to me :( 20:43
colomon sorear! \o/ 20:45
timotimo github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/s....ops#L2351 - first: why is *ch created and not used? is decontainerize mutating? is the method incomplete? second: what two objects am i supposed to pass in? which of the locals in this code github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/s...r.nqp#L986 are applicable? third: why am i getting "No registered operation handler for 'attrhintfor'", even though i put ... 20:48
... QAST::Operations.add_core_pirop_mapping('attrhintfor', 'repr_hint_for', 'IPPs', :inlinable(1)); into QAST/Operations.nqp
sorear your code not being loaded when you expect it to? 20:49
timotimo er
oh
OH
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timotimo of course 20:49
i added the operation, but *of course* it's not in the stage0 20:50
*thank you*!
sorear ch not being used, I'm 99% sure that's a bug
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tadzik pmurias: README in rakudo-js says "See F for licensing details". Did you mean "a license file" or something? 20:57
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slep&
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dalek nda: 26b59c3 | tadzik++ | rebootstrap.pl:
Fix rebootstrap
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dalek nda: 2ef0abc | tadzik++ | rebootstrap.pl:
Fix rebootstrap better
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timotimo i will have to continue working on that tomorrow 21:16
diakopter pmurias: I was thinking yaml of sorts, so you can clearly-ish see the pointers
tadzik I declare github.com/tadzik/rakudobrew useful and usable for early adopters 21:19
it can build rakudo for both VMs in any version, switch between any versions of any backends, install panda on any backend
seems to be pretty useful 21:20
diakopter ingy: ^
tadzik working on it, I also noticed that while one can run perl6 outside of rakudo-jvm directory, it is not so for nqp
(nqp on jvm, that is)
pmurias tadzik: see F<LICENCE> for details 21:23
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tadzik ah :) 21:25
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colomon perl6 runs outside of rakudo-jvm directory now?! \o/ 21:27
dalek kudo-js: d3f53c5 | (Pawel Murias)++ | README.markdown:
Remove use of F<> from README.markdown (tadzik++).
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kudo-js: 48bf145 | (Pawel Murias)++ | runtime (6 files):
Pass nqp/t/serialization/01-basic.t.

Various serialization fixes. Add some missing ops. Handle P6{int,num,str} reprs better.
tadzik colomon: it's all easy with rakudobrew \o/ 21:29
pmurias diakopter: my experience with dumping complex treeish compiler stuff in yaml is that it gets confusing 21:30
tadzik I'm now making it fill the role of pandabrew as well
pmurias diakopter: as yaml uses indentation and craziness instead of punctuation 21:31
tadzik I guess it should be possible to make rakudobrew build both implementations in two OS processes :)
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diakopter pmurias: I've always thought the first 2 columns should be a number of depth 21:35
tadzik IO.copy() different between parrot and jvm: gist.github.com/tadzik/6565882 21:39
trivial to fix, I think, but it's long past sleeptime to me anyway 21:40
will do that tomorrow unless someone gets to it first
zzz
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ingy yaml? confusing?! 21:45
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pmurias ingy: not enough curly brackets ;) 21:53
ingy: by confusing I mean that I don't see the exact structure of my data 21:56
s/see/easily see/ 21:57
ingy pmurias: etoomuchperl :) 22:01
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ingy I like that coffeescript and livescript make yaml look syntax-heavy 22:02
pmurias ingy: when trying to determin if I should access my data as [1]{foo}[3][4][0][0][2] or [1]{foo}[3][4][0][2] I prefer the extra syntax ;) 22:18
ingy pmurias: makes sense 22:21
although I've never seen any program access data like that :) 22:22
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Mouq_ r: 1 22:50
camelia rakudo 67c6fd: ( no output )
Mouq_ r: 2.say 22:59
camelia rakudo 67c6fd: OUTPUT«2␤»
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Mouq p6eval: 23:26
p6eval: 1
diakopter p6eval: help
camelia diakopter: Usage: <(nqp-jvm|star|pugs|nqp|std|niecza|rakudo|b|nom|npr|n|r|perl6|prn|rn|p|rnp|nrp|pnr|rpn|p6|nr)(?^::\s) $perl6_program>
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ingy p6eval: help @me 23:45
camelia ingy: Usage: <(nqp-jvm|star|pugs|nqp|std|niecza|rakudo|b|nom|npr|n|r|perl6|prn|rn|p|rnp|nrp|pnr|rpn|p6|nr)(?^::\s) $perl6_program>
ingy diakopter: do you see privmsgs on irc? 23:47
diakopter yeah 23:49
ingy diakopter: hrm, do you see msgs I sent? 23:53
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