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| PonderingDonkey | good Perl 6 syntax highlighter for emacs? | 00:19 | |
| lue | PonderingDonkey: there's cperl-mode, it's the most complete one out there so far. | 00:20 | |
| jnthn | Time for some sleep...'night o/ | 00:21 | |
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| frettled | masak: 1) useful module! 2) nice post, almost masaky! | 14:17 | |
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| masak | ;) | 14:17 | |
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| timotimo | the do is only there to make the precedence work out | 17:28 | |
| and has no other function | |||
| er, not quite "precedence", but ... grammar? | |||
| vendethiel | r: my @a = for 1..3 { $_ | ||
| r: my @a = for 1..3 { $_ } | |||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Word 'for' interpreted as a listop; please use 'do for' to introduce the statement control wordat /tmp/tmpfile:1------> my @a = for⏏ 1..3 { $_Unexpected…» | ||
| rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Word 'for' interpreted as a listop; please use 'do for' to introduce the statement control wordat /tmp/tmpfile:1------> my @a = for⏏ 1..3 { $_ }Unexpect…» | |||
| vendethiel | oke. | 17:29 | |
| r: my @a = do for 1..3 { $_ }; @a.perl.say | |||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Array.new(1, 2, 3)» | ||
| vendethiel | r: say [1, 2].perl eqv Array.new(1, 2) | 17:30 | |
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«False» | ||
| vendethiel | r: say [1, 2].perl eq Array.new(1, 2) | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«False» | ||
| vendethiel | r: [1, 2].^name.say; Array.new(1, 2).^name.say | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«ArrayArray» | ||
| vendethiel | hm. | ||
| they're the same nevertheless | 17:31 | ||
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| timotimo | er | 17:33 | |
| vendethiel | r: sub prefix:<%%>(Array @values) { [+](@values) / @values }; say %%[1, 2, 3] | ||
| timotimo | you will hardly be able to eqv the .perl of one thing with an array of numbers :) | ||
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| ..rakudo-jvm 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '@values' in sub prefix:<%%> at /tmp/tmpfile:1 in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1» | |||
| ..rakudo-parrot 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '@values'; expected Positional[Array] but got Array instead in sub prefix:<%%> at /tmp/tmpfile:1 in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1» | |||
| vendethiel | timotimo: oh haha I forgot .perl | ||
| r: sub prefix:<%%>(@values) { [+](@values) / @values }; say %%[1, 2, 3] | 17:34 | ||
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| vendethiel | timotimo: can I type a whole array ? `sub _(@a [Int...]) {}` or something ? | ||
| "> Method calls and hash/list access on Nil give Nil" this seems dangerous :o | 17:39 | ||
| tadzik | r: my @a; @a[7].bazinga() | 17:41 | |
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«No such method 'bazinga' for invocant of type 'Any' in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1» | ||
| tadzik | it also seems incorrect :) | ||
| vendethiel | r: Nil<a><a><a>.say | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Nil» | ||
| vendethiel | :( | ||
| tadzik | oh, like this | ||
| masak | n: my @a; @a[7].bazinga() | ||
| camelia | niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method bazinga in type Any at /tmp/E3cO99CRLw line 1 (mainline @ 4)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4595 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4596 (module-CORE @ 576)…» | 17:42 | |
| raydiak | r: say Nil.foobar | 17:43 | |
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Nil» | ||
| vendethiel | that seems pretty bad to me | 17:44 | |
| tadzik | on the plus side, Nil usually doesn't happen in the wild | ||
| so when you use it yourself, you should be aware of the risks :) | |||
| vendethiel | r: my @a; say @a[1].^name; | 17:45 | |
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Any» | ||
| vendethiel | r: Any<a>.say | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«(Any)» | ||
| vendethiel | so it seems to work the same with Any | ||
| raydiak | r: say Any.foobar | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«No such method 'foobar' for invocant of type 'Any' in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1» | ||
| vendethiel | raydiak++. Why are those two handled differently ? | 17:46 | |
| raydiak | vendethiel: I haven't a clue, but I'm sure others here know :) | ||
| tadzik | r: my %h; %h<ooo>.say | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«(Any)» | ||
| tadzik | hah | ||
| r: my %h; %h<ooo>.bazinga | |||
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| tadzik | *shrug*, fair enough :) | 17:47 | |
| r: my %h = a => 5; say %h<a> + %h<b> | |||
| camelia | rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context5» | ||
| ..rakudo-parrot 4a74e7: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context in block at /tmp/tmpfile:15» | |||
| tadzik | r: my %h = a => 5.5; say %h<a>.floor + %h<b>.floor | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«No such method 'floor' for invocant of type 'Any' in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1» | ||
| tadzik | que | 17:48 | |
| so it only works for .say, it seems | |||
| vendethiel | tadzik: array/hash access doesn't trigger the error. calling does | ||
| raydiak | r: say [Any, Nil, 0].perl # another of the aforementioned risks of Nil | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«[Any, 0]» | ||
| tadzik | sure | ||
| it's pretty natural that the access itself doesn :) | |||
| vendethiel | that kinda makes sense, though | ||
| tadzik | unless you're used to python | ||
| vendethiel | in the sense that Nil erases value | ||
| TimToady | not supposed to disappear there | 17:49 | |
| that's a fossil behavior | |||
| BenGoldberg fossil fuel behavior? | 17:50 | ||
| TimToady | making it behave like () in list context was a istake | ||
| er, a mistak :) | |||
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| tadzik | mistak is sort of an autopun :) | 17:51 | |
| BenGoldberg | e an till nderstand hat ou ean f ou eave ff he irst etter :) | ||
| vendethiel | which synopsis do I need to read to get a grip on grammars? many things I havn't seen yet | ||
| tadzik | like tyop | ||
| vendethiel | tadzik: or muphry's law :) | ||
| TimToady | BenGoldberg: he can, can he? :P | ||
| tadzik | haha | ||
| BenGoldberg | [wh]e can :) | 17:52 | |
| vendethiel | (also, make) | ||
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| tadzik | vendethiel: I recommend reading every material available, everywhere | 17:52 | |
| I had a lot of trouble understanding grammars, and I read everything that was there, and then wrote some code, and then after a while I started to grok it :) | 17:53 | ||
| vendethiel | tadzik: I'm pretty much up to 9 | ||
| tadzik | but one of synopses is about regexes and grammars, s05 I think | ||
| also, doc.perl6.org is very good | |||
| vendethiel | tadzik: really, I can understand most of it. I just need `make`, `ast`/`value` spec (to know where which are available) and %% in grammers | 17:54 | |
| tadzik++: it's pretty natural to read | 17:55 | ||
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| tadzik | vendethiel: I'm sure make, .ast and so are covered in the spec | 17:55 | |
| TimToady | r: my @array is default(Nil); say @array[42].elems | ||
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| TimToady | r: my @array is default(Nil); say @array[42].WHAT | 17:56 | |
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Nil» | ||
| TimToady | hmm | ||
| r: my @array is default(Nil); say @array[42].nonesuch | |||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7, rakudo-jvm 4a74e7, rakudo-moar 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Nil» | ||
| tadzik | perlcabal.org/syn/S05.html#Match_objects | ||
| vendethiel: ^ | |||
| hm, I didn't know there's ".made" :) | 17:57 | ||
| TimToady | there is? | ||
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| diakopter | lizmat added it after talking with jnthn today :) | 17:58 | |
| (shrug) | |||
| smls | TimToady: I think I found a problem with Brace_expansion#Perl_6 ... | 17:59 | |
| TimToady | diakopter: apparently not "added", but replaced ".ast" with it | ||
| skids | r: sub foo (:$a, :$b) { "a $a b $b".say }; foo(:a(1) :b(2)); (:a(1) :b(2)).perl.say; | 18:00 | |
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| TimToady | but the writing describing .made now make no sense at all :) | 18:00 | |
| smls | TimToady: It expands this pattern: "{a,{\,b}c" into these two strings: "ac", "{\,bc" | 18:01 | |
| tadzik | :o | ||
| smls | which violates the "Neither of the braces is eligible to participate in delimiting a valid comma group" rule | ||
| Perl and Python solutions both simply return the input in that example | 18:02 | ||
| TimToady | okay, I'll look at it when my brane is working again | 18:03 | |
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| smls thinks .made sounds like something that would return a boolean value. What was wrong with .ast? | 18:08 | ||
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| timo1 | there was a lack of symmetry between make and .ast | 18:09 | |
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| smls | Well, "make" is the verb, and "AST" is the corresponding noun. | 18:12 | |
| "making an AST" sounds ok to me | |||
| what more symmetry do you need? | |||
| timotimo | make → .ast seems fine to me, too | ||
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| TimToady | smls: turns out I have enuf brane to fix it, so I did | 18:14 | |
| smls | TimToady++ | 18:15 | |
| TimToady | I'm okay with turning .ast into .made, fwiw | ||
| though if we're gonna do that, we should maybe bikeshed the verb itself | |||
| lizmat | I wouldn't be against that | ||
| TimToady | make having some amount of cognitive dissonance with, er, make | ||
| lizmat | the make / .ast pair didn't make any sense to me | 18:16 | |
| put / get ? | |||
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| TimToady | yes, that was a bit fossily, but we can probably find some word that works both for the verb and the method | 18:16 | |
| I'm not sure we need two words | 18:17 | ||
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| lizmat | stash? :-) | 18:17 | |
| timotimo | hm. attach / attachment? | ||
| TimToady | stash is also overloaded, and a character too long :) | 18:18 | |
| lizmat | pot ? | ||
| smls | Wouln't the formal term in the context of grammars be "produce"? | ||
| timotimo | produce could be confused with reduce :3 | 18:19 | |
| TimToady | .oO(How good it is, to pot a yak!) |
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| masak | I, for one, like "make". | 18:20 | |
| timotimo | you would, wouldn't you, maksak? :) | ||
| masak | the actions make things. the things are annotations on the parse tree. | ||
| lizmat | en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pot | ||
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| skids | Don't forget make is mnemonically related to "take" | 18:23 | |
| TimToady | take is took | 18:24 | |
| skids | Right, what I'm saying is that changing away from make takes the make/take mnemonic away. | ||
.oO(make/take gather/matter) |
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| TimToady | ah, got it wrong: "When cares attack and life seems black, How sweet it is to pot a yak" | 18:26 | |
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| smls | TimToady: Found another one: "a{b,{{c}}" --> "ab", "a{{c}" (should be "a{b,{{c}}") | 18:31 | |
| TimToady | right, I'll have to work a little harder for that one | 18:32 | |
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| vendethiel | Could a grammar like that work to parse JSON ? gist.github.com/Nami-Doc/03fcb5e95804d536dbe7 | 18:39 | |
| I'm mostly scared with strings | 18:40 | ||
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| timotimo | compare it to the JSON::Tiny::Grammar :) | 18:41 | |
| the token node could benefit a lot from becoming a proto token | 18:42 | ||
| vendethiel | timotimo++, I need to read about grammars anyway :P | ||
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| TimToady | smls: fixed, please break this one :) | 18:45 | |
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| smls | I'll try :) | 18:45 | |
| vendethiel: Not sure if it's transferable to P6 grammars, but in P5 regexes imo the best way to parse quoted constructs is: /" [^"]++ "/x | |||
| colomon | hey! IRC is working again for me! \o/ | 18:46 | |
| smls | Or if the string can contain its own delimeter escaped by a backslash: /" (?: [^"\\]++ | \\. )++ "/x | ||
| TimToady | that is more or less what I'm doing | ||
| so certainly it's tranferrable | 18:47 | ||
| diakopter | REIFY | 18:48 | |
| smls | vendethiel: the idea is to match the opening delimiter, then possessively (i.e. disabling backtracking) match as many characters or escape sequences that are *not* the end delimiter as possible, and the match the end delimiter | ||
| although I suppose in this simple case, possessive matching is not actually required (only as a performance optimization) | 18:50 | ||
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| TimToady | smls: in P6, "possessive" is usually spelled ":ratchet", and "token" | 18:55 | |
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| TimToady | smls: I note your possessive cannot match "" | 18:56 | |
| smls | good catch | 18:57 | |
| TimToady | would have to be *+, no? | ||
| smls | yes | ||
| TimToady | anyway, P6 grammars generally depend heavily on those semantics | ||
| to the extent that we factor it out into the declarators | 18:58 | ||
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| [Coke] | ENODALEK? | ||
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| TimToady | [Coke]: had billions of netsplits last night | 19:06 | |
| smls | TimToady: how so? | ||
| [Coke] | yes, but we're all fine, here, now, yes? | ||
| FROGGS | o/ | 19:07 | |
| are there any chances that MoarVM/Perl6 will be part of GSoC this year? | |||
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| vendethiel | why isn't "proto token" named "multi token"? seems more consistent | 19:08 | |
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| timotimo | FROGGS: wow, that'd be a GSoC that i'd actually be interested in taking a part in | 19:08 | |
| TimToady | smls: dunno, brane doesn't do "meta" today, but my feeling is that there is something there that depends on which rule you give priority to | ||
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| smls | although the Perl and Python solutions seem to agree on everything :) | 19:10 | |
| TimToady | yeah, well, it's really easy to hide assumptions in operational code | 19:11 | |
| smls | :P | ||
| [Coke] | FROGGS: parrot was part of last year's GSOC. TPF wasn't. | 19:12 | |
| FROGGS | TimToady: do you know who is in charge to register MoarVM/Perl6 at the GSoC? | 19:13 | |
| [Coke] | I suspect getting someone to try to apply for us under the TPF banner (if that didn't happen last year) is the way to go. | ||
| FROGGS | [Coke]: I know... will this be the same for this year? | ||
| who do we need to nag? | |||
| [Coke] | FROGGS: and note that GSOC doesn't accept all orgs that volunteer. | ||
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| FROGGS | [Coke]: troo, but not volunteering is a 100% no :o) | 19:14 | |
| [Coke] | FROGGS: www.google.com/calendar/render?eid...output=xml | 19:15 | |
| you have great timing. we can submit tomorrow. | |||
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| [Coke] | up through Feb 14 | 19:15 | |
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| [Coke] | Util: do you remember who the TPF contact was in previous years? | 19:16 | |
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| vendethiel | p: Camelia.^truesize().say | ||
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| colomon | masak++ # colomon now has IRC back, but hadn't gotten around to posting that yet | ||
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| TimToady | smls: actually, looks like it might be an LTM bug | 19:36 | |
| timotimo | masak: oh no! :( | 19:37 | |
| but i have a suspicion | |||
| TimToady | worked around it by adding \\ to negated cclass, but it ought to have preferred the \. alternate over the negated cclass | ||
| timotimo | it'd stand to reason that the itemization that's no longer happening automatically in make was needed for my ADT to work | ||
| vendethiel | is there actually a perl 6 web framework yet ? that cool be a fun project | ||
| even tho I've done too much web already | |||
| smls doesn't really feel safe around LTM; will probably prefer to use || in own grammars | 19:38 | ||
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| tadzik | vendethiel: there's Bailador | 19:39 | |
| smls might just be biased due to being used to P5 regexes though... | |||
| lizmat is off to bed, recovering from FOSDEM | |||
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| TimToady | smls: use of || would be...operational definition... :P | 19:41 | |
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| TimToady | ah, no, my bug, not LTM :) | 19:45 | |
| vendethiel | p: (a => 1, b => 2).^name.say; {a => 1, b => 2}.^name | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7: OUTPUT«Parcel» | ||
| vendethiel | p: (a => 1, b => 2).^name.say; {a => 1, b => 2}.^name.say | ||
| camelia | rakudo-parrot 4a74e7: OUTPUT«ParcelHash» | ||
| vendethiel | mmh | ||
| TimToady | the *? was backtracking back into the alternation | ||
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| vendethiel | Will there be a way to leverage java libraries on the java backend ? like jruby and stuff | 19:46 | |
| raiph | I see make/.ast as annotations hanging on a tree, hence I suggest hang and .hung | ||
| timotimo | vendethiel: you can already use Blah::Foo::Bar:from<java> | 19:47 | |
| raiph | as in hanging a christmas ornament | ||
| (er, hanging on a branch of a tree) | |||
| vendethiel | timotimo: like Joda::Time:from<java> ? adverbs are really powerful ! | ||
| timotimo++ | 19:48 | ||
| TimToady | smls: okay, fixed it the right way, was a backtracking thinko, not an LTM issue | 19:49 | |
| vendethiel | timotimo: does this happen to be possible from niecza too ? (use A::B::C:from<clr>) | ||
| moritz | oh hai | 19:50 | |
| TimToady | yo | ||
| raiph | \o | ||
| moritz | Google Summor of Code now accepts application for mentoring organizations | ||
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| moritz | since TPF wasn't accepted last year, I'd propose we do our own application this year | 19:51 | |
| [Coke] | moritz: we're not an organization. | 19:52 | |
| moritz | [Coke]: not legally, but that shouldn't stop us | ||
| timotimo | vendethiel: yes | ||
| vendethiel | Okay, something I regularly ask from people when starting programming language. Would you happen to have one snippet (or maybe some) you would show somebody to blow their minds, possibly with the max. features you could put in there ? I'm currently using the PDF's version to get friends to learn it with me :D. | ||
| timotimo | vendethiel: search for "tetris" on the advent calendar for an example | ||
| [Coke] | I would expect that to be a showstopper. huh. | ||
| (to moritz) | |||
| happy if it ain't. | |||
| btyler | I think a fair few GSoC 'organizations' are just the group of developers around the project | 19:53 | |
| [Coke] | ENOBEER | ||
| timotimo | vendethiel: blowing people's minds by putting as many features into a few lines of code seems like a bad idea :) | ||
| [Coke] | one thing that would need to be setup is a way to get paid from google. | ||
| (which being an org helps with a lot - I know there are orgs that proxy that kind of thing, though.) | |||
| moritz | [Coke]: I remember that the previous years, Software in the PUblic Interest (SPI) would handle the payments for those organizations that couldn't legally accept them | ||
| vendethiel | timotimo: for many people, that could be. But we're really just a group of friends learning a lot of languages along the way, so that's how we get other people's interest | ||
| btyler | seems like the more important aspect is how organized they are in identifying projects and providing mentors | ||
| [Coke] | util & dukeleto are good people to talk to from the parrot side, I'd wager. I cannot remember the original TPF person, but can probably dig it up. | 19:54 | |
| moritz | [Coke]: or maybe TPF will do that for us | ||
| timotimo | vendethiel: i don't think i have something for you :( | ||
| vendethiel | timotimo: You've (all) done far enough :) ! | ||
| timotimo | :P | ||
| [Coke] | moritz: I'd be happy if TPF did it and earmarked the money for perl6 stuff. | ||
| nwc10 | was rafl the TPF person for GSoC in previous years? | ||
| vendethiel | timotimo: I'm getting asked : is there a way to call perl code from java ? | 19:55 | |
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| moritz | nwc10: I'm asking him over in #p5p | 19:55 | |
| timotimo | yeah, there is | ||
| moritz | ok, but one thing we absolutely need for GSoC is a list of ideas and possible mentors | 19:56 | |
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| timotimo | on the one hand, you can implement a few different java interfaces using normal perl6 objects, like a regular sub could provide java's native Callable interface (whatever its name may be) | 19:56 | |
| and you can get a full compiler and thread context etc in java-land and feed it code, like the evalserver does | |||
| vendethiel | timotimo: real' nice | 19:57 | |
| nwc10 | moritz: agree. One thought I had (sanity check with jnthn etc) is profiling/tuning/whatever the GC in MoarVM. | 19:58 | |
| but I do not have time to be a mentor for anyone for any project, 5, 6 or $other. | |||
| sorry | 19:59 | ||
| moritz | no need to apologize | ||
| [Coke] | nwc10++ #not overcommitting (too much) | ||
| FROGGS | jnthn: is there a tiny windows standard tool I can pipe to? | 20:01 | |
| smls | TimToady: '{a,b{{1,2}e}f' --> 'af', 'b{1ef', 'b{2ef' (should be: '{a,b{1e}f', '{a,b{2e}f)') | 20:06 | |
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| smls | ...but feel free to ignore it for now, I'll upload the revised task description today or tomorrow. | 20:08 | |
| TimToady | that one might well be more of a shift-reduce conflict in the rules | 20:09 | |
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| TimToady | lunch & | 20:10 | |
| yes, you are preferring the 2nd of the 3 bullets, the P6 solution is preferring the 3rd of the three, and reducing | 20:16 | ||
| so rule conflict | 20:17 | ||
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| moritz | since dalek is dead... | 20:22 | |
| github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...4/ideas.md | 20:23 | ||
| please please please add your ideas to the document above | |||
| and do it quickly, there's only a 2-week window for application | |||
| and I'll only do it if we have a decent idea collection within one week | |||
| oh, and if you can imagine mentoring one of those projects, add your name to the list | 20:24 | ||
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| moritz | [Coke]++ # adding an idea | 20:30 | |
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| raiph | TimToady: make, .ast? act .act | out .out | leaf .leaf | tag .tag | be .be | step .step | toast .ast | 20:32 | |
| [Coke] | moritz: I will go through more tonight after dayjob | ||
| vendethiel | given 2 { .be || !.be } | ||
| moritz | ++[Coke] | ||
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| colomon | when do GSOC projects start? | 20:36 | |
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| FROGGS | in april I think | 20:36 | |
| colomon has an idea, but is unsure whether it should wait that long. | 20:37 | ||
| FROGGS | do tell :o) | ||
| moritz | colomon: April 22 | 20:38 | |
| colomon | I've proposed before that we should have an ecosystem cleanup-a-thon. | ||
| moritz | +1 | 20:39 | |
| colomon | as of today, there are 77 modules in the ecosystem which don't pass all tests | ||
| moritz | actually May 20 is the start date | ||
| colomon | all I was thinking was instead of a cleanup-a-thon, we could have a GSOC project with the same goal | ||
| moritz | we could, but it wouldn't be a fun project at all | 20:40 | |
| colomon | okay, then that would be a good reason to have a cleanup-a-thon instead. | 20:41 | |
| [Coke] | colomon: worse, there are things in the ecosystem that have NO tests. | ||
| moritz | like SVG::Plot | 20:43 | |
| I still don't know how to write proper tests for it | |||
| raiph | TimToady: (act/.act is my favorite given its relationship to Action classes) | ||
| colomon | afk # gone x-country skiing | 20:44 | |
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| masak | 'night, #perl6 | 20:46 | |
| [Coke] | moritz: I was more worried about the debugger. | ||
| moritz: implement optimizations. | |||
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| raiph | TimToady: different bikeshed: winner? how about whenever? how about assuming a loop (which you can explicitly break out of when delivering a value if you don't want the loop to continue; not sure about exceptions)? | 20:52 | |
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| rindolf | Hi all. | 20:56 | |
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| raydiak | \o | 21:01 | |
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| timotimo | wouldn't something like try.rakudo.org be a nice gsoc project? | 21:02 | |
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| vendethiel | that'd be awesome :) | 21:14 | |
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| timotimo may or may not be working on something to make that feasible | 21:21 | ||
| but first: littlebigint! | |||
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| tadzik | moritz: do you think that rakudo-managed precomp is a reasonable idea? | 21:50 | |
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| tadzik | maybe a good test harness for the ecosystem | 21:56 | |
| FROGGS | a SOAP port | 22:01 | |
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| timotimo | wat. | 22:32 | |
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| Ulti | hmmm GSoC can be via universities right? | 23:10 | |
| oh they dont, there is only a limited number of mentoring organisations | 23:17 | ||
| upto ~180 this year | |||
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| smls | p: say [2, 4, 6, 8][1, 2] # this looks funny :) | 23:53 | |
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