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vendethiel | m: for <a b c d e f> { .say if 'a' ff 'e'; }; # shouldn't work, right ? | 00:12 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 847bd5: OUTPUT«abcdef» | ||
vendethiel | m: for <a b c d e f> { .say when 'a' ff 'e'; }; # but does this ... ? | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 847bd5: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Cannot convert string to number: base-10 number must begin with valid digits or '.' in '⏏a' (indicated by ⏏)» | ||
vendethiel | m: for <a b c d e f> { .say with 'a' ff 'e'; }; # but does this ... ? | 00:13 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 847bd5: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/6lLaj0fqyRTwo terms in a rowat /tmp/6lLaj0fqyR:1------> for <a b c d e f> { .say ⏏with 'a' ff 'e'; }; # but does this ...  expecting any of: method argu…» | ||
masak | having `.say when 'a' ff 'e'` work would solve oodles of use cases. | 00:18 | |
vendethiel | I think so. | ||
But break sooo much consistency :D | |||
masak | ...but I can't see how it would, because the things in the 'a' and 'e' positions still don't smartmatch. | 00:19 | |
vendethiel | masak: mmh ? | ||
well, sleep&. | 00:22 | ||
masak | m: macro infix:<smff>($l, $r) { quasi { $_ ~~ {{{$l}}} ff $_ ~~ {{{$r}}} } }; for 'a'..'f' { .say if 'b' smff 'e' } | ||
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
masak | ...I guess $_ doesn't bind right in that one. | 00:23 | |
m: macro infix:<smff>($l, $r) { quasi { $COMPILING::_ ~~ {{{$l}}} ff $COMPILING::_ ~~ {{{$r}}} } }; for 'a'..'f' { .say if 'b' smff 'e' } | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar 847bd5: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Any in string contextuse of uninitialized value of type Any in string contextuse of uninitialized value of type Any in string contextuse of uninitialized value of type Any in string contextuse of uninitialized…» | ||
masak | ah, well. | ||
BenGoldberg | What's ff? | ||
timotimo | flip flop op | ||
BenGoldberg | Ok. | 00:24 | |
timotimo | it carries internal state | ||
masak | BenGoldberg: it turns true when the lhs is true, then stays true until the rhs is true. | ||
BenGoldberg | Like perl5's scalar .. operator. | ||
Which always confuses me and hurts my brain, 100% of the time I see it. | 00:25 | ||
masak | yes, that one. | 00:26 | |
and fff is like the scalar ... operator. | |||
BenGoldberg | All I can say is that I'm glad perl6 writes flipflop differently from .. and ... | 00:28 | |
masak | we believe firmly in not making ops context-dependent along that particular dimension (item/list context). | 00:30 | |
or subs/methods, for that matter. | |||
BenGoldberg | I once spent a couple of frustrated hours on some perl5 code, where I had written $foo[ $x .. $#foo ], where I should have had @foo[ $x .. $#foo ] | 00:31 | |
masak | heh :) | ||
'night, #perl6 | |||
BenGoldberg | 'night masak. | 00:32 | |
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grondilu | about prefix:<+>, in S03: « For values that do not already do the "Numeric" role, the narrowest appropriate type of "Int", "Rat", "Num", or "Complex" will be returned; | 01:22 | |
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So for instance: | |||
r: say (+"3.0").WHAT | |||
camelia | rakudo-{parrot,jvm,moar} 847bd5: OUTPUT«(Rat)» | ||
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grondilu | but for constistency shouldn't prefix:<+> also returned a narrow value when called with a Numeric argument? | 01:23 | |
hang on | |||
shouldn't +"3.0" be an Int according to spec? | 01:24 | ||
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grondilu basically thinks prefix:<+> should always narrow | 01:25 | ||
grondilu thought of that while thinking of rosettacode.org/wiki/Test_integerness | 01:27 | ||
grondilu would have liked to test integerness with +$x ~~ Int | |||
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grondilu | well on second thought that's probably not a good idea. If someone writes a literal value as 3.0, he *wants* a Num an not an Int, and prefix:<+> should not change that I guess. | 01:31 | |
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Mouq | grondilu: Isn't that why .narrow exists? | 03:53 | |
moritz: That looks.. like exactly what I want to write but better :) I'll be happy to steal from it :) though maybe not tonight | 04:01 | ||
(RE:: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2014-06-21#i_8908219) | 04:02 | ||
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dalek | rl6-bench: 390b19d | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench: Show tag dates in `bench list-tags` |
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rl6-bench: 3d4ae2a | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | timeall: Much less broken commit time detection in timeall After this commit, you should rerun timings so that upcoming history comparison functionality will work properly. |
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rl6-bench: e6f852b | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | / (2 files): First (text format) support for history comparison |
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japhb | .tell timotimo New perl6-bench command `bench history` ought to interest you. Ping me if you need help. :-) | 04:20 | |
yoleaux | japhb: I'll pass your message to timotimo. | ||
japhb | .tell timotimo html and html_plot versions coming when I get another good hack session. | ||
yoleaux | japhb: I'll pass your message to timotimo. | ||
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dalek | ast: b3fdfeb | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | integration/advent2011-day20.t: adding advent 2011 day 20 |
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FROGGS__ | m: "foo".encode ~ 42 # why does that what it does? | 07:14 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 847bd5: OUTPUT«(signal )» | ||
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dalek | kudo/nom: 25c1e5d | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/core/Buf.pm: add subbuf-rw, an lvalue subbuf like we have a substr-rw for strings The replacement must be a Blob and this sub needs to be specced. |
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masak | antenoon, #perl6 | 08:29 | |
moritz | \o masak | 08:33 | |
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masak | so quiet -- guess people are at YAPC::NA and stuff. | 08:35 | |
moritz | it's Sunday :-) | 08:40 | |
vendethiel | wrt "writing ff" : it's better than `..`, but it's harder to read because it doesn't stand out | 08:44 | |
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moritz | rename it infix:<FLIPFLOP> | 08:45 | |
FROGGS__ | my expectation when seeing ff is that is a sub and not an infix | 08:47 | |
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vendethiel | moritz: well, I could. But I don't think it helps that much | 08:55 | |
moritz | vendethiel: then it would stand out | ||
vendethiel | ... unless something else than "FLIPFLOP3 is in caps | 08:56 | |
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moritz | well, Perl 6 takes care to only upper-case things that should stand out | 09:06 | |
if your own code use lots of all-caps, you're screwed | |||
but of course you can write code to defeat any technique to make things stand out :-) | 09:07 | ||
vendethiel | moritz: YES INDEED DOT GOOD POINT COLON CLOSING PAREN | 09:10 | |
.oO( we've already gone back to CL-style naming ? ) |
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psch | hi #perl6 | 09:38 | |
masak | hi psch! | ||
psch | masak o/ | 09:39 | |
gist.github.com/peschwa/cb2a142e49afce7a260c | |||
there's a few spots im not clear on the spec though | |||
for example, tr/// returning False seems weird, but happens in nom for s/// as well | 09:40 | ||
on moar and parrot that is | |||
at least locally | 09:41 | ||
maybe that's a platform thing again? :/ | |||
also i think 'whitespace characters are taken literally' and 'The .. range sequence is the only metasyntax' clash for ranges that start or end on a whitespace | 09:42 | ||
this is all related to RT #62064, fyi | 09:43 | ||
synopsebot | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...l?id=62064 | ||
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psch | oh, and tr[][] (and tr{}{}, and i guess other paired delims) also work | 09:46 | |
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masak | I have no idea why that `False` would be useful. | 09:47 | |
the action method seems to generate the moral equivalent of `$_ = .trans($from, $to);` | 09:49 | ||
which... shouldn't be False. | 09:50 | ||
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psch | masak: i updated the gist; i'm seeing the same behavior for s/// in the repl; my tr/// implementation still gives False when called from -e though | 09:54 | |
where the repl for s/// is "upstream" nom | 09:55 | ||
github.com/peschwa/rakudo/compare/implement_tr # this is my branch, for reference | 10:06 | ||
mostly oriented myself on how s/// works... :) | 10:07 | ||
wrt spec: the delimiter for tr shouldn't change behavior i assume? i.e. tr[][] still only accepts exactly one string for search and replacement each | 10:11 | ||
masak | sure. | 10:15 | |
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punter | I want to make a Jabber server (for my site). I'm a Perl 5 programmer. Do you think it's possible to make it in Perl 6? Does Perl 6 have the networking features needed? | 10:30 | |
I can do it in AnyEvent of Perl5. Does Perl 6 have something similar? | |||
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psch | punter: perl6 does have working sockets and you i think you can write event-based programms with supplies | 10:36 | |
but i'm no expert and there might be a better answer | |||
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moritz | punter: rakudo's async and socket support might be a bit too unstable atm | 10:43 | |
punter | ok | ||
moritz | punter: if you want something production ready quickly, p5 is still the safer better | ||
punter | thanks | ||
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atroxaper | Hello, #perl6 ! | 11:01 | |
use Test; role Role { multi method gist() {return 'GIST';}}; class Class does Role {}; say Role.new; is Role.new, 'GIST', 'works well' | |||
m: use Test; role Role { multi method gist() {return 'GIST';}}; class Class does Role {}; say Role.new; is Role.new, 'GIST', 'works well' | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar 25c1e5: OUTPUT«GISTnot ok 1 - works well# got: 'Role<140591977373584>'# expected: 'GIST'» | ||
atroxaper | Why 'is' doesn't call gist? | 11:02 | |
moritz | because .gist is only the default stringification for say() | 11:04 | |
the rest uses .Str | |||
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atroxaper | Can I override Str? | 11:04 | |
Yes. Thanks. | 11:07 | ||
vendethiel | no problem :) | 11:09 | |
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masak wonders what the biggest obstacle would be for unifying .gist and .Str | 12:34 | ||
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masak | hello from a train, by the way :) | 12:35 | |
vendethiel whispers "I like trains" | |||
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tadzik | WZOOM | 13:00 | |
dalek | ecs: 03a91ba | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-setting-library/Containers.pod: Spec Buffer.subbuf-rw |
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Su-Shee | *hihi* you're all going to love the ypac staff t-shirts: pbs.twimg.com/media/BqsH2TcCYAEHHlQ.jpg :) | ||
tadzik | :D | 13:02 | |
Su-Shee | love it. want one of those :) | 13:03 | |
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dalek | kudo/nom: 49ab1d8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | t/spectest.data: Add advent2011/day20 tests |
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lizmat | masak: simple: make say use .gist, run the spectest, see what breaks | ||
*.Str :-) | 13:09 | ||
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masak | lizmat: worth a shot. | 13:17 | |
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lizmat | already running spectest | 13:20 | |
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TimToady | the intent of gist is to be a tl;dr | 13:22 | |
the intent of .Str is to be completist | |||
this is a pragmatic distinction, not driven by the fact that there's a large overlap for short values | |||
nor by the fact that the spec tests aren't good at testing pragmatics | 13:23 | ||
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TimToady | so I don't see that it'll prove much | 13:23 | |
TimToady heads back to his talk-writing corner | 13:24 | ||
lizmat | masak: gist.github.com/lizmat/23162d0031578a2eeb56 | ||
lizmat does a git reset --hard | 13:25 | ||
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dalek | ast: fedf27b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format/local (2 files): Initial testing on CompUnitRepo::Local::File |
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amirite | @mxit | 14:03 | |
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dalek | kudo/nom: 9017529 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | / (4 files): Add skeleton CompUnit class |
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hoelzro | I'm writing a module that allows users to declare methods as commands for a CLI, so I don't want the user to be able to declare duplicates | 14:36 | |
is there something I can hook into when the class is "closed" so I can detect this situation? | 14:37 | ||
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masak | m: say Int.HOW.^methods | 14:40 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 49ab1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine' in method gist at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:7190 in sub say at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:13769 in block at /tmp/SRwb3KffnC:1» | ||
masak | grrbl. | 14:41 | |
anyway, it seems to me you should be able to override .add_method or something in a custom ClassHOW. | |||
hoelzro | hmm | 14:47 | |
well, that would require the user to be aware of this, right? | |||
this is what I'm going for: gist.github.com/hoelzro/d552753137568ac5285c | |||
I was thinking I could monkey with the HOW of App::Subcommand to achieve my goal | |||
masak | yes, something like that was what I had in mind. | 14:49 | |
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psch | well, i got a tr/// that always returns True, instead of the previous False. it's spec'd - by omission - to return the number of replaced or deleted characters though | 14:56 | |
i can't seem to keep the original lhs for smart match calls for any comparison | 14:57 | ||
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atroxaper | haw can I continue search in string by regex? Something like qq{ while 'abcd | 15:12 | |
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atroxaper | haw can I continue search in string by regex? Something like qq[ while 'abcd' ~~ m/ (.) {say $0;} ] | 15:12 | |
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psch | m: 'foo' ~~ m/ (.)+ { say $0 } / # this at least does your example | 15:14 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 49ab1d: OUTPUT«「f」 「o」 「o」» | ||
psch | although i'm pretty sure there's an XY-problem here somewhere | ||
atroxaper | psch: I think it's good enought :-) | 15:15 | |
psch | glad to help :) | 15:23 | |
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dalek | ecs: 2d0d5ac | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod: Some more elaboration about CompUnit class |
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japhb | .ask timotimo Did you write nqp/richards yourself, or does it come from somewhere else? (And if so, where? I want to make sure I have a proper copyright note for it.) | 16:44 | |
yoleaux | japhb: I'll pass your message to timotimo. | ||
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japhb | .ask timotimo Wait, did nqp/richards in perl6-bench ever actually work? I get some strange error messages from it on nqp-m .... | 17:11 | |
yoleaux | japhb: I'll pass your message to timotimo. | ||
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masak | atroxaper: I would just do `for $str.comb(/pattern/) -> $match { ... }` | 17:24 | |
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lizmat | lunch& | 17:28 | |
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timotimo | japhb: i ported it from the pypy benchmark suite | 17:52 | |
yoleaux | 04:20Z <japhb> timotimo: New perl6-bench command `bench history` ought to interest you. Ping me if you need help. :-) | ||
04:20Z <japhb> timotimo: html and html_plot versions coming when I get another good hack session. | 17:53 | ||
16:44Z <japhb> timotimo: Did you write nqp/richards yourself, or does it come from somewhere else? (And if so, where? I want to make sure I have a proper copyright note for it.) | |||
17:11Z <japhb> timotimo: Wait, did nqp/richards in perl6-bench ever actually work? I get some strange error messages from it on nqp-m .... | |||
timotimo | i think it worked at at least one point | ||
but i didn't have the patience to port it | |||
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timotimo | media.ccc.de/browse/conferences/gpn..._timo.html - this is my perl6 talk, in german and quite chaotic | 17:57 | |
dalek | kudo/nom: 4459c54 | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/core/Buf.pm: add unpack directives "a" and "Z" |
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japhb | timotimo: Do you remember which nqp backend you used when you got it to work the first time? I'm trying to determine if it's just nqp-m that doesn't like it .... | 18:14 | |
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timotimo | hmm, depends on when i did it, maybe parrot, but possibly moar. | 18:17 | |
wait, do we even have mutable bufs? | 18:21 | ||
colomon | shift_pmc() not implemented in class 'Continuation' | 18:23 | |
in block at bin/panda:21 | |||
in sub MAIN at bin/panda:19 | |||
colomon has been having major problems smoking parrakudo the last few days. | |||
timotimo | o_O | ||
colomon | Tuesday the 17th was the last time I did a successful full smoke run. Took me a few days to notice because my laptop was at Apple for repairs. | 18:26 | |
[Coke] waves from I94. | 18:32 | ||
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[Coke] | II actually have pretty decent internet, considering I'm on the highway. | 18:35 | |
dalek | kudo-star-daily: b06f95b | coke++ | log/ (13 files): today (automated commit) |
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colomon | [Coke]: I94! That's like home! | ||
colomon lives a couple hours away from it now, but grew up 30 minutes' drive from the east end of I94, and then lived only a mile from I94 for most of the Naughts. | 18:37 | ||
[Coke] | colomon: heading SW now, ooping around the lake. | 18:38 | |
colomon | [Coke]: Lake Michigan, I presume? | ||
[Coke] | colomon: we were at lake erie earlier today. | ||
and now we're at that one, yes. | |||
colomon | Great Lakes++ | 18:39 | |
afk # quick run into town, back very shortly | |||
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FROGGS__ | .tell lizmat subbuf-rw is just a sub like substr-rw is only a sub, not a method | 18:58 | |
yoleaux | FROGGS__: I'll pass your message to lizmat. | ||
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masak | colomon: didn't nqp upgrade its Parrot dep just a few days ago? | 19:00 | |
colomon: ah, yes nqp's adf65bfd24f70a05459478397e5f54eb754bbfd1. | 19:01 | ||
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masak | colomon: would be interesting to see if the problems go away if you build before that commit. | 19:01 | |
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[Coke] | no rakudo's testing clean today | 19:05 | |
*rakudos | |||
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dalek | href="https://modules.perl6.org:">modules.perl6.org: 1076951 | (Tim Smith)++ | web/ (9 files): Clearer badge icons |
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colomon | [Coke]: was that, "No, the rakudos are testing clean today," or "No rakudos are testing clean today"? | 19:14 | |
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colomon | masak: I'm trying to build bcd1861857db94a74afbd7ff6e43d87cc6878fe7 now (June 18th, before NQP bumps, I think) | 19:16 | |
masak just got another spesh fail, this time when running from -e | 19:23 | ||
building latest and trying again. | |||
colomon | okay, bcd1861857db94a74afbd7ff6e43d87cc6878fe7 installs panda correctly. | 19:29 | |
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vendethiel | nice new badges :) | 19:32 | |
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cognominal | indeed | 19:36 | |
thou | Good, I'm glad they are well-received | 19:40 | |
I am *not* a graphic designer, so I won't be offended if the community wants them reverted or tweaked. | 19:41 | ||
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cognominal | thou, is there a pointer back from modules.perl6.org/ to the program that generated it? | 19:45 | |
thou | cognominal: Yes, there's a pointer to github.com/perl6/modules.perl6.org repo | 19:47 | |
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thou | … at the bottom of the page | 19:48 | |
cognominal | ho, I did not notice that contained the program as well as the data. | 19:49 | |
thou++ | |||
thou | hey, ho! let's go! | ||
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colomon | hmm, panda build works on parrot-d45fccdbaf74f13207bf9118a6dfd9d158108a3f too | 19:52 | |
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lucas | Hello. Is "my Dog $spot = $spot.new;" right or wrong? S02 says ".=" is rewritten into this but S03 say it's an invalid self-reference. | 19:58 | |
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vendethiel | p6: class A {}; my A $a = $a.new; | 19:59 | |
camelia | rakudo-jvm 4459c5: OUTPUT«(timeout)» | ||
( no output ) | |||
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moritz | lucas: looks correct to me | 20:06 | |
lucas: the variable is declared as soon as it's parsed | |||
vendethiel | lucas: where does S03 say it's an invalid ref ? | 20:07 | |
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lucas | S03-operators.pod: 5072: my Dog $fido = $fido.new; # wrong: invalid self-reference | 20:09 | |
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lucas | should it be changed? s/wrong: invalid/okay/ ? | 20:10 | |
colomon | hmmm | 20:11 | |
psch | makes sense to me, fwiw; as moritz says variables are declared when parsed, and typed variables get instantiated with the type object | 20:12 | |
moritz | though caution is required | ||
it might be that the variable on RHS is actually the one from the proto lexpad, not from the runtime lexpad | |||
I'm not sure here | |||
jnthn | Good evening from the north o/ | 20:13 | |
moritz | m: my Int $x = do { say $x; 42 } | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 4459c5: OUTPUT«(Int)» | ||
moritz | \o jnthn | ||
psch | hi jnthn | ||
colomon | \o | ||
moritz | m: my Int $x = do { BEGIN { $x = 23 }; say $x; 42 } | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 4459c5: OUTPUT«23» | ||
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moritz isn't sure whether that tells us anything | 20:14 | ||
lizmat | jnthn o/ | ||
yoleaux | 18:58Z <FROGGS__> lizmat: subbuf-rw is just a sub like substr-rw is only a sub, not a method | ||
lizmat | and good * from the south | ||
moritz guesses he is south from the north, but no idea how he compares to lizmat's south | 20:15 | ||
lizmat | moritz: as in Orlando, FL | ||
moritz | lizmat: oh. I'm guess I'm noth, then :-) | ||
jnthn is almost in the arctic | 20:16 | ||
It's still rather light outside. :) | |||
TimToady | last week at Key West the sun was pretty much straight up | ||
lizmat | TimToady: is there a reason we don't have substr-rw and/or subbuf-rw as a method ? | 20:17 | |
moritz | lizmat: I think it's because sub{str,buf}-rw are mostly p5isms, and p5 doesn't do methods on value "types" | 20:18 | |
lizmat | subbuf most definitely is new | 20:19 | |
but join is a p5ism, and we have a .join method | |||
TimToady | lizmat: the only reason is a foolish inconsistency :) | ||
lizmat | ok, so you won't mind if I make it consistent ? | ||
masak | jnthn \o | ||
TimToady | nope | 20:20 | |
vendethiel just learned he wouldn't be in france when YAPC::EU happens | |||
jnthn | Well, there is the thing that method calls on a scalar are normally seen as being on the value, not on the container... | ||
lizmat | vendethiel: that's because YAPC::EU is in Sofia? | ||
vendethiel | lizmat: haha, no, not in sofia either | ||
I'm not here in august | |||
TimToady | jnthn: true | ||
lizmat | so you mean you can't make it to YAPC::EU :-( | ||
vendethiel | (my only holidays in 2 years :(.) | 20:21 | |
yea :( | |||
lizmat | jnthn, TimToady: $ ack '.substr' src/core | wc -l | ||
103 | |||
actually: | |||
$ ack '\.substr' src/core | wc -l | |||
50 | |||
TimToady | jnthn's point is that it would have to be a VAR-like macro in order to make it an lvalue | 20:22 | |
lizmat | so substr is being used as a method in the core settings | ||
TimToady | .substr can just deal with the value rather than the container | ||
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TimToady | strings being immutable, we emulate mutation in the container | 20:23 | |
lizmat | right, so using it as a method, gives the wrong idea | ||
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TimToady | (buffers are supposed to be mutable, of course) | 20:23 | |
so it actually more sense for bufs than for strs | |||
moritz | but, we should totally have the 4-arg substr as a method | ||
$str.substr($from, $to, $replacment) | 20:24 | ||
which just returns the new string | |||
TimToady | and you use .= to mutate | ||
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colomon is starting to suspect his parrakudo problems have something to do with a borked install | 20:25 | ||
lucas | p6: class A {}; my A $a .= new; say 'alive'; | ||
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camelia | niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties: $a is declared but not used at /tmp/tmpfile line 1:------> class A {}; my A ⏏$a .= new; say 'alive';alive» | 20:25 | |
..rakudo-{parrot,jvm,moar} 4459c5: OUTPUT«alive» | |||
lucas | p6: class A {}; my A $a = $a.new; say 'alive'; | ||
camelia | rakudo-{parrot,jvm,moar} 4459c5, niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«alive» | 20:26 | |
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lizmat | TimToady: so yes to .subbuf-rw, but no to .substr-rw ? | 20:30 | |
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dalek | href="https://modules.perl6.org:">modules.perl6.org: 7f0ccaa | (Tim Smith)++ | web/readme.png: Fix blurry readme.png icon |
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dalek | rl6-bench: e99a064 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | / (4 files): Add rc-self-describing-numbers minibenchmark |
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masak | $ perl6 -e 'for ^13 { for ^0 {}; (my $)++ }' | 20:51 | |
Spesh: failed to fix up handlers (134, -1, 156) | |||
(locally, on a fresh build) | |||
This is perl6 version 2014.06-11-g4459c54 built on MoarVM version 2014.05-2-gb1add28 | |||
nwc10 | was about to go to bed so can't add anything to | 20:52 | |
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nwc10 | "doesn't (not) work on my machine" | 20:52 | |
This is perl6 version 2014.06-11-g4459c54 built on MoarVM version 2014.06-6-gd2e0732 | 20:53 | ||
./perl6-m -e 'for ^13 { for ^0 {}; (my $)++ }' | |||
nwc10 see no output | |||
vendethiel | m: for ^13 { for ^0 {}; (my $)++ } | 20:54 | |
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
jnthn | masak: 2014.05-2? That's...strangely old, no? | ||
Also, I'm sure I already fixed bugs giving that error... | 20:55 | ||
nwc10 | masak: my MoarVM seems to be 4 commits newer than yors | ||
jnthn | 4 commit *and a month* | 20:56 | |
nwc10 | oh yes. oops | ||
I am clearly not very useful and shall go to bed. | |||
jnthn | :) | ||
nwc10 | Good night world. | ||
jnthn should do similar soon | |||
lizmat | goodnight nwc10, jnthn | 20:58 | |
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lucas | I'm still a little lost on the specs; can someone tell me where does it says that an our-scoped variable cannot have a type constraint? Example: "our Foo $foo;". Does this makes sense? | 21:15 | |
FROGGS__ | lucas: I don't see why type constraints on our scoped vars should be forbidden... | 21:21 | |
lizmat | I'm not sure, but maybe because 'our' variables are more like dynamic variables, and thus basically runtime determined? | ||
FROGGS__ | and... I can't find anything about that in the spec | ||
lizmat | FROGGS__: good to see you awake: | 21:22 | |
FROGGS__ | hi lizmat | ||
timotimo | lizmat: er, what? | ||
lizmat | do we support use Foo:from<nqp> already? | ||
and if so, where in the code is that handled? | |||
FROGGS__ | m: use QAST:from<NQP>; my Mu $q := QAST::Op.new(); say $q.HOW.name($q) | 21:23 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 4459c5: OUTPUT«QAST::Op» | ||
FROGGS__ | in src/Perl6/ModuleLoader, at the top of load_module | ||
dalek | kudo/nom: a7b4cba | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/CompUnit.pm: Some more work on CompUnit, not yet functional |
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lizmat | okidoki | ||
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lucas | FROGGS__: I don't see why also. I don't know if it is specced or not. Rakudo died with a message "Cannot put a type constraint on an 'our'-scoped variable" | 21:25 | |
FROGGS__ | lucas: right, but std does not | ||
our Foo $foo; # niecza | 21:26 | ||
n: our Foo $foo; # niecza | |||
camelia | niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Malformed our at /tmp/SU6kFuPnSj line 1:------> our⏏ Foo $foo; # nieczaParse failed» | ||
FROGGS__ | n: our Int $foo; # niecza | ||
camelia | niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Common variables are not unique definitions and may not have types at /tmp/Qyac0fM8y4 line 1:------> our Int $foo⏏; # nieczaUnhandled exception: Check failed at /home/p6eval/niec…» | ||
lucas | p6: class A {}; our A $a; | ||
camelia | niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Common variables are not unique definitions and may not have types at /tmp/tmpfile line 1:------> class A {}; our A $a⏏;Unhandled exception: Check failed at /home/p6eval/niecza/b…» | ||
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FROGGS__ | either niecza explains it better or both are wrong :o) | 21:27 | |
masak | agreed; though I don't believe "Common variables" is common terminology :) | 21:28 | |
lizmat | std: our Int $a = 42 | ||
camelia | std 0f2049c: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 123m» | ||
lizmat | std thinks it's ok | ||
also, seems like bfd8508f5ceee565380da201ef25bdfb6feb2b3d was the commit, by FROGGS__ in May last year | |||
timotimo | lizmat: i'm pretty sure we know all our-scoped stuff at compile-time, don't we? | 21:29 | |
lizmat | well, I was clutching at straws, really | ||
as I couldn't think of a reason | |||
jnthn | Not sure what's unclear about Rakudo's error. It tells you what you tried to do, and says it's not allowed. | 21:30 | |
masak | std: sub foo { our Int $x }; sub bar { our Str $x } | ||
camelia | std 0f2049c: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 124m» | ||
masak | the above is the problematic bit. | ||
FROGGS__ | O.o | ||
jnthn | Also, STD is mostly about syntax, not about semantics. | 21:31 | |
So I'd not especially expect it to complain about this one. | |||
masak | *nod* | ||
though it certainly could. |