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TimToady I'm pretty settled these days 00:00
maybe I should write that part of the new book first :)
japhb :-) 00:01
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TimToady my rules are perhaps a bit more finessed these days, given the various additional degrees of freedom, which all have their purpose 00:01
japhb Nodnod
TimToady these days it's more like "Know which of these principles you're emphasizing, to the detriment of other principles." 00:02
rjbs files perl6.vim bug: github.com/vim-perl/vim-perl/issues/188 00:04
TimToady m: say < a \# b > 00:05
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«a \# b␤»
TimToady hmm
m: say << a \# b >>
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«a#b␤»
TimToady m: say << a \# b >>.elems
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«3␤»
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TimToady m: say << a \# b >>.WHAT 00:06
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Parcel)␤»
TimToady m: say < a \# b >.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Parcel)␤»
TimToady why one has spaces and the other not, dunno..
m: say << a \# b >><> 00:07
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«a # b␤»
TimToady apparently <<>> is itemizing itself
m: say < a \# b >.perl 00:08
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«("a", "\\#", "b")␤»
rjbs has not yet attempted to understand itemization, but knows he'll need to.
TimToady m: say << a \# b >>.perl
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«("a", "#", "b")␤»
japhb m: say < a \# b >.DUMP
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Parcel<1>(:$!storage(BOOTArray<2>(␤ "a",␤ "\\#",␤ "b"␤)))␤»
japhb m: say << a \# b >>.DUMP
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Parcel<1>(:$!storage(BOOTArray<2>(␤ "a",␤ "#",␤ "b"␤)))␤»
TimToady beats me 00:09
japhb Huh
TimToady well, hopefully that one smooths out after GLR
japhb m: say < a \# b >.elems
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«3␤»
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japhb That is just mystifying. 00:09
TimToady $!flattens maybe 00:10
japhb m: my \a := < a \# b >; say a.DUMP;
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Parcel<1>(:$!storage(BOOTArray<2>(␤ "a",␤ "\\#",␤ "b"␤)))␤»
japhb m: my \a := << a \# b >>; say a.DUMP;
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Parcel<1>(:$!storage(BOOTArray<2>(␤ "a",␤ "#",␤ "b"␤)))␤»
TimToady except a parcel doesn't have $!flattens
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japhb Oh wait, perhaps they aren't compiling to the same tree. 00:11
TimToady quite possible
japhb Does camelia have a way to dump QAST?
TimToady m: say quasi { 1 + 1 }.WHAT 00:12
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(AST)␤»
TimToady m: say quasi { 1 + 1 }.dump
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Method 'dump' not found for invocant of class 'AST'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/ZeHLHrwRV9:1␤␤»
TimToady aw
m: say quasi { 1 + 1 }.QAST.dump
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Method 'QAST' not found for invocant of class 'AST'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/G9U_xcAWo1:1␤␤»
japhb m: say quasi { 1 + 1 }.^methods>>.name;
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«BUILD incarnate evaluate_unquotes is_quasi_ast Str␤»
japhb m: say quasi { 1 + 1 }.Str 00:13
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«quasi { 1 + 1 }␤»
japhb m: say quasi { say < a \# b > }.Str
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«quasi { say < a \# b > }␤»
TimToady m: say quasi { 1 + 1 }.incarnate.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Too few positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/DXltPBB0Mu:1␤␤»
japhb m: say quasi { say << a \# b >> }.Str
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«quasi { say << a \# b >> }␤»
TimToady probably cheating
japhb Ah, it's probably just saving the code
yeah
TimToady well, one could probably monkey patch some action method and capture control inside an EVAL somehow 00:14
or dynamically lookup a $/ from inside a BEGIN (evil) 00:15
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TimToady m: BEGIN say callframe(1) 00:16
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«CallFrame.new(level => 3, annotations => {:file("src/Perl6/World.nqp"), :line("1704")}<>, my => EnumMap.new())␤»
TimToady m: BEGIN say callframe(2)
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«CallFrame.new(level => 4, annotations => {:file("src/Perl6/World.nqp"), :line("3494")}<>, my => EnumMap.new("\$ex" => Mu, :RETURN(Mu)))␤»
TimToady m: BEGIN say callframe(3)
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«CallFrame.new(level => 5, annotations => {:file("src/Perl6/World.nqp"), :line("2531")}<>, my => EnumMap.new(:RETURN(Mu)))␤»
TimToady m: BEGIN say callframe(4) 00:17
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«CallFrame.new(level => 6, annotations => {:file("src/gen/m-Perl6-Actions.nqp"), :line("1459")}<>, my => EnumMap.new())␤»
TimToady heh
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TimToady m: BEGIN say CALLER::CALLER::<$/> 00:18
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
japhb Yeah, they do compile differently. I used:
diff -u <(perl6 --target=ast -e 'say < a \# b >') <(perl6 --target=ast -e 'say << a \# b >>') |less
TimToady m: BEGIN say CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::<$/>
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
TimToady m: BEGIN say CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::<$/>
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
japhb And you can see (non-trivial) differences.
TimToady m: BEGIN say CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::<$/>
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
TimToady m: BEGIN say CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::<$/>
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
TimToady aww
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japhb In short, the < > form inserts a call to &infix:<,>, and the << >> form does not 00:20
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TimToady m: say < 42 >.WHAT 00:22
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
TimToady m: say << 42 >>.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
TimToady but it's not in order to force a Parcel of 1 element 00:23
japhb m: say (<< 42 >>).WHAT # Just in case
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
japhb phew
m: say (< 42 >).WHAT # Just in case
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
TimToady could be a superstitious comma, I suppose
japhb Sorta like that one? :-)
TimToady I paused there in my internal speec 00:24
*ch
japhb In any case, superstitious tokens are not supposed to be affect semantics .... 00:25
s/to be/to/
TimToady kinda like a block can have multiple statements without a Stmts node... 00:27
but this is a parcel without a comma node
japhb Would you expect there to always be one, or always not be one? 00:28
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TimToady well, comma just makes a list of things, so a list of things doesn't much care, I expect 00:30
a bit surprising it doesn't turn into 1 elem though
perhaps there's compensating code somewhere that strips the outer comma 00:31
japhb But only for the << >> case. :-/
rjbs Stringification of Buf seems a bit off for non-octet bufs. 00:33
m: Buf.new(100,200,300).say
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Buf:0x<64 c8 2c>␤»
rjbs That 2C is probably a cropped 12C. 00:34
TimToady yeah, would be nice to prettify the ASCII subset at least, if not Latin-1
oh, that, it's just overflow
C semantics on small ints
rjbs Sure.
Oh, gosh, it's truncated in the buf, silently... 00:35
The docs only say: A Buf is a mutable sequence of (usually unsigned) integers.
TimToady it's a "feature" :)
rjbs I reckon I'll use an array.
The code I'm porting is my ZSCII codec, which maps between four states of text for working with Z-Machine: 00:36
japhb m: buf16.new(100,200,300).say
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Buf[uint16]:0x<64 c8 12c>␤»
japhb rjbs: ^^
rjbs japhb++ !!
That'll do.
japhb It's because the default type specialization for Buf when it puns is uint8 00:37
TimToady Buf is really a role that instantiates for an integer type
rjbs (a) unicode strings (b) zscii strings [codepoints between 0 and 0x3FF] (c) zchars (d) packed zchars
In p5, it's easy: they're all strings. :)
which is also awful, of course
japhb rjbs: See src/core/Buf.pm for the gory details, and all the default specializations.
TimToady m: say Buf[Int].new(1, 2, 4 ... 10000000000000000)
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«MVMArray: bindpos expected object register␤ in any at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:1640␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/y36TPyihca:1␤␤»
TimToady hmm 00:38
rjbs I find it hard to type "buf" and not "bug" :)
Okay, great. From now on, I type "buf8"
TimToady m: say buf64.new(1, 2, 4 ... 10000000000000000)
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Buf[uint64]:0x<01 02 04 08 10 20 40 80 100 200 400 800 1000 2000 4000 8000 10000 20000 40000 80000 100000 200000 400000 800000 1000000 2000000 4000000 8000000 10000000 20000000 40000000 80000000 100000000 200000000 400000000 800000000 1000000000 2000000000…» 00:39
TimToady m: say Buf[int64].new(1, 2, 4 ... 10000000000000000)
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Buf[int64]:0x<01 02 04 08 10 20 40 80 100 200 400 800 1000 2000 4000 8000 10000 20000 40000 80000 100000 200000 400000 800000 1000000 2000000 4000000 8000000 10000000 20000000 40000000 80000000 100000000 200000000 400000000 800000000 1000000000 2000000000 …»
TimToady I guess Buf is biased towards native types
japhb TimToady: Makes sense to me ...
TimToady m: say Buf[num].new(1, 2, 4 ... 10000000000000000) 00:40
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«MVMArray: bindpos expected num register␤ in any at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:1640␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/KGT3y5fEUG:1␤␤»
japhb Though the error for Buf[Int] is definitely LTA
m: say Buf[num].new(1e0, 2e0, 4e0 ... 10000000000000000e0)
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«This type cannot unbox to a native integer␤ in any at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:1640␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/PmtxCa80jI:1␤␤»
japhb Heh.
TimToady o_O
japhb o/~ somebody cheated ... o/~ 00:41
TimToady and got cot
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TimToady either that, or made an ass out of u and me 00:43
japhb Speak for yourself, donkey man. ;-) 00:44
TimToady hee haw!
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BenGoldberg m: say Buf[num].new( 1.0, 2.0, 4.0 ) 00:46
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«This type cannot unbox to a native integer␤ in any at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:1640␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/X1MSq10t4a:1␤␤»
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raydiak is starting to think CAPTCHAs on comment boxes are written to check the length and offer something sarcastic if you write too much...this time it gave me "evermore" 01:03
BenGoldberg . o O (Quoth the aven, evermore?) 01:06
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raydiak searched for it and ironically the first thing I saw was "Quoth the aven radiant ...", make the machines stop talking to me! :) 01:12
not even google-personalized results 01:14
rjbs So is "buf16" an implementation-specific type? 01:24
TimToady no
it's a standard Perl 6 type
rjbs Great, thanks.
(I thought there was some convention about Int vs. int, but that memory is well aged.) 01:25
TimToady lower-case types tend to native, but that's not the same as implementation-specific 01:26
rjbs Aha, I see!
TimToady int itself is a bit ambiguous, compared to int32 or int64
it's not likely to be the same as int in C 01:27
p6 defines int as the largest integer that runs at "full speed"
rjbs I know how to use \c[...] to go from name to char, but how do I go from char to name? (in p5, via charnames::viacode)
TimToady so the native call interface tends to be more specific about C types as viewed in p6
m: say uniname("💩") 01:28
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«PILE OF POO␤»
rjbs Super.
TimToady: but that was a really crappy example!
(haw haw haw)
TimToady uniname also works with integer codepoints 01:30
m: say uniname(0x2424) 01:31
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«SYMBOL FOR NEWLINE␤»
rjbs This whole exercise is worth it just for the joy of replacing low lines with hyphen minuses in variable names.
TimToady o-O
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TimToady m: say uniname(0x1F35F) 01:38
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«FRENCH FRIES␤»
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TimToady m: say uninames(0x1F350..0x1F35F) 01:38
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Cannot call uninames(Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int, Int); none of these signatures match:␤ (Str $str)␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/XK4NzAbW2k:1␤␤»
TimToady m: say (0x1F350..0x1F35F)».uniname 01:39
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«PEAR PEACH CHERRIES STRAWBERRY HAMBURGER SLICE OF PIZZA MEAT ON BONE POULTRY LEG RICE CRACKER RICE BALL COOKED RICE CURRY AND RICE STEAMING BOWL SPAGHETTI BREAD FRENCH FRIES␤»
TimToady is getting hungry
raydiak m: say uniname(0x20), <the>, uniname(0x3c2).comb(/\S+/)[*-2], <frontier>
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«SPACEtheFINALfrontier␤»
raydiak
.oO( in your stomach :) )
 01:40
TimToady m: say uniname('ꗴ') 01:41
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«VAI SYLLABLE THE␤»
BenGoldberg m: say char(0x1F366);
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/iTmHxvT41y␤Undeclared routine:␤ char used at line 1. Did you mean 'chars', 'chr'?␤␤»
BenGoldberg m: say chr(0x1F366);
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«🍦␤»
BenGoldberg m: say uniname(chr(0x1F366));
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«SOFT ICE CREAM␤»
BenGoldberg m: say uniname(0x1F366); 01:42
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«SOFT ICE CREAM␤»
raydiak was having a phone conversation today, started talking about manna and got hungry... 01:45
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TimToady m: say '𐌼'.uniname 01:48
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«GOTHIC LETTER MANNA␤»
raydiak okay, that's it, I'm grabbing the pretzels... 01:49
rjbs Does Unicode 8 give us flavor selectors for ice cream yet?
raydiak m: say (0x1f34e, 0x1f34f)».uniname # may I offer you a healthier alternative? :) 01:54
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«RED APPLE GREEN APPLE␤»
TimToady Eve, to Adam: Here, you wanna finish this for me? 01:59
raydiak ha ha :) 02:01
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rjbs I had p5 code that did: while (my $str = substr $x, 0, 2, '') { ... } 02:05
In p6, $x is a buf. Is there an analogous behavior, or shall I use a $i?
TimToady m: my $b = buf8.new(1..10); .say for $b.rotor(2) 02:07
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«1 2␤3 4␤5 6␤7 8␤9 10␤»
rjbs So, that's not sufficient, because inside the loop, I might need to consume more.
TimToady m: my $b = buf8.new(1..10); for @$b -> $a, $b { say "$a $b" } 02:08
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«1 2␤3 4␤5 6␤7 8␤9 10␤»
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TimToady well, there's always subbuf 02:08
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TimToady also, regexes have an optional starting pos 02:09
rjbs Can you use a regex on a buf?
Looks like no. 02:10
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raydiak you could also turn it into a compact array like my int8 @b = "foobar".encode.list, and then you get shift or splice or whatever, though I'm sure it's one of the less-efficient approaches 02:11
TimToady goes to buffer some dinner &
rjbs Don't overflow! 02:12
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raydiak (but avoid the underruns too) 02:14
rjbs any form of runs
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raydiak yes, of course...doubly so if you're only in your underwear 02:16
jercos m: "taxes and stuff" ~~ /taxes?/ 02:17
camelia ( no output )
jercos m: say "taxes and stuff" ~~ /taxes?/
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«｢taxes｣␤»
jercos m: say "taxes and stuff" X~~ (/taxes?/, /taxes??/)
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«True True␤»
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rjbs What best way to append an element to a buf? 03:01
$b[ $b.elems ] = 0xA0; # seems wordy 03:02
dalek ast/date-time-slices-tz: dd9ef10 | (Chris Jepeway)++ | S32-temporal/DateTime.t:
Added tests to check that DateTime.{utc,local} preserve timezone types.

type itself beyond merely the current "be an Int()" expectation.		 03:03
raydiak you can use +* instead of $b.elems
rjbs $b[+*] = 1 # <-- like that?
raydiak++ tanks 03:04
thanks, also
raydiak yep :) and you're totally welcome
* in numeric context in a subscript evaluates to .elems
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raydiak not as useful in this case but if the other thing were a buf already, you can concat too (~) as if they were strings 03:05
rjbs Hm, might be useful, I'll have to revisit the code later. 03:06
It's late now. I should take out the trash and go to bed.
:)
raydiak sleep well :)
rjbs A whole hour of p6 hacking time lost to planning a *vacation* on which I won't write any code at all. What's wrong with the world?!
Thanks :) Ta ta!
raydiak haha, darned vacations :)
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mr_ron m: %h{'a';'b'}=3 03:37
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/yQhTRcPrFg␤Variable '%h' is not declared␤at /tmp/yQhTRcPrFg:1␤------> 3<BOL>7⏏5%h{'a';'b'}=3␤»
mr_ron sorry - different result on my system
m: no strict; %h{'a';'b'}=3 03:42
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.nqp line 2235␤Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.nqp line 2235␤Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.nqp line 2235␤Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.…»
mr_ron thar it blows
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labster m: my %h; %h{'a';'b'}=3 03:49
camelia ( no output )
labster no strict bug?
raydiak m: my %h; %h{'a';'b'}=3; say %h.perl 03:51
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«{:a({:b(3)})}<>␤»
raydiak m: no strict; $a = 1 03:52
camelia ( no output )
raydiak gr so much lag 03:53
raydiak goes to play with it in a local terminal
and then find myself waiting on rakudobrew instead of flaky wifi :) 03:56
m: no strict; %h{'a'}=3 03:57
camelia ( no output )
raydiak m: no strict; %h{'a'}{'b'}=3 03:58
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.nqp line 2235␤Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.nqp line 2235␤Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.nqp line 2235␤Use of Nil in string context at src/gen/m-BOOTSTRAP.…»
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raydiak wow stage parse is up over 100s for me 04:02
TimToady about the same for me; sure you're not looking at the jvm compile? 04:05
I mean, no worse here
a browser in the background chewing cpu maybe? 04:06
raydiak yeah don't really do jvm any more...it's been about 90 for me
only a single window with a single tab open a site I know to be well-behaved
TimToady cron job? 04:07
raydiak my desktop is a newer revised arrangement of data.cyberuniverses.com/pub/screenshot.png 04:08
mainly, I got a bunch of meters watching everything
I know right away when anything goes awry in the background
TimToady turn on debugging or profiling?
raydiak I did "rakudobrew build moar"
haven't made any changes I know of lately 04:09
to my system I mean, or env vars
or even notable updates
TimToady just builds from git
raydiak I like how it migrates all the panda modules
and, well, ... laziness is a virtue, no? 04:10
TimToady maybe it does a parallel make?
just guessin'
it'd interleave other messages though if that were the case 04:11
raydiak really with dynamic underclock and overclocking, I guess I wouldn't read too much into it unless it's repeatable
it is getting warmer here than it has been
TimToady could just be that
blocking the vent can have that effect too
raydiak just on a tabletop atm 04:12
cleaned it out within the last few months
TimToady recently lose any feet off of it?
raydiak looks
TimToady that can cut the air gap underneath
raydiak clever, didn't consider that one, but nope
TimToady out of ideas for the moment... 04:13
raydiak though, I'd probably notice that too, that rocking diagonally thing drives me nuts when it happens
yeah me too
good game though :) 04:14
TimToady :)
raydiak unless we fall back to cosmic rays and other improbable unprovable hypotheticals
maybe God just decided it'd be fun if we had this conversation *shrug* 04:15
TimToady lessee, your system clock had a large time adjustment come in from ntp or so
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raydiak wish I knew what time to look for in the system logs 04:15
TimToady one of your devices started interrupting continually 04:16
dalek kudo-star-daily: d00a5fd | coke++ | log/ (2 files):
today (automated commit)
raydiak maybe, but only if somehting's failing, nothing even plugged in besides power
TimToady your disk is filling your logs with I'm about to go bad messages
raydiak still 183 gig free 04:17
wait myh logs arent on that one
TimToady free space doesn't matter if it's working up toward a head crash
TimToady is full of good news... :) 04:18
raydiak :)
raydiak wonders if his system meters do something dumb like ignore nice time or something 04:19
TimToady just uses top to see what's really chewing time
raydiak ah! I got a plausable one! if a process acted up *after* I started the build, I wouldn't be able to tell on the meters because of all the noise 04:20
TimToady could well have been a cron job running at the top of the hour then, if you'd just finished at 2 after
raydiak I'll bet that's exactly what happened. 04:21
raydiak will build again later, but has gotten hisself way out in left field from his originally intended direction, and still intends to head that way :) 04:22
TimToady well, hope you get to first base then 04:23
assuming that's the opposite of left field
raydiak heh thanks, here's hoping that my childhood baseball experiences aren't indicative of my probability of success 04:25
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TimToady o/ 04:31
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raydiak \o back from the store 04:49
car's still broken until tomorrow, so had to run to the gas station when we noticed we were out of bread
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moritz raydiak: no instant food delivery by drones? :-) 05:05
raydiak at least found the ~Nil warning at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/0fe9....nqp#L2250 if anyone wants to take it from there, my nqp-fu is weak, and sadly now is not the time to train it
moritz: no...(thankfully?) 05:06
though even if there were such a thing around... if we could afford it the car wouldn't be broken :)
just takes me longer sometimes b/c I usually accomplish it for nearly no money, which in and of itself is kinda cool in a way 05:08
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raydiak copy & paste of part of something I wrote earlier today about whether automated cars need windows, which summarizes my thoughts on delivery dromes as well: 05:14
Anyway, once we're all tightly sealed up in our automated capsules to shoot us from one building to another, you don't really have to interact with most of the outside world any more, and you don't need cops so much.
You also take some heavy losses in the form of creativity, freedom, fresh air, human spirit, the diversity of natural things like weather and plants, and so much more...but nobody seems worried about those kinds of qualitative factors any more. :P
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raydiak was kinda flabbergasted that someone would even pose the question "do vehicles need windows if the computer can see?" 05:15
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raydiak meant to mention motion sickness too but forgot 05:16
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[Coke] m: my @a = <a b c>; my @b = <q r s>; for @a Z @b -> $q, $t { say "$q, $t" } 05:17
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«a q, b r␤Too few positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/pkhK8N1lu5:1␤␤»
[Coke] ^^ root cause of explosion in t/spec/integration/advent2009-day17.t 05:18
TimToady m: my @a = <a b c>; my @b = <q r s>; for @a Z @b -> ($q, $t) { say "$q, $t" }
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«a, q␤b, r␤c, s␤»
TimToady m: my @a = <a b c>; my @b = <q r s>; for flat @a Z @b -> $q, $t { say "$q, $t" }
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«a, q␤b, r␤c, s␤»
[Coke] excellent, thanks.
TimToady it's the 'for no flattens' thing
*no longer
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dalek ast: f73c005 | coke++ | integration/advent2009-day17.t:
fix fallout from "for no longer flattens"

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dalek kudo/nom: 2805390 | coke++ | t/spectest.data:
Not actually very stressful
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[Coke] m: say cat(); 05:24
camelia rakudo-moar 68c432: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/uqPAloD1uV␤Undeclared routine:␤ cat used at line 1. Did you mean 'cas'?␤␤»
dalek kudo/nom: a6f5638 | coke++ | t/spectest.data:
run fudged test
ast: 0e6aac0 | coke++ | S32-container/cat.t:
fudge test for rakudo
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[Coke] m: $str = "abracadabra"; $str ~~ m:exhaustive/ a (.*?) a / && say "@()"; 05:30