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ugexe | the secret of the name submethod is revealed | 00:03 | |
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tony-o | quietfanatic: are you trying to figure out why 'foo' doesn't work? it's only scoped for class A.. | 00:16 | |
m: class A { our sub foo { 'foo'.say; }; }; class B is A { method bar { A::foo; }; }; B.new.bar; | 00:18 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«foo» | ||
tony-o | if the sub isn't 'our'ed then it's not as available | ||
m: class A { sub foo { 'foo'.say; }; }; class B is A { method bar { A::foo; }; }; B.new.bar; #should error out | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«Could not find symbol '&foo' in method bar at /tmp/UDCYTK9Nyv:1 in block <unit> at /tmp/UDCYTK9Nyv:1» | ||
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ugexe | perl6-m -e 'my $sock = IO::Socket::INET.new(:host<httpbin.org>, :port(80)); $sock.send("GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: httpbin.org\r\n\r\n"); my $x = $sock.get; say "<start>{$x}<end>"' | 00:20 | |
<end>t>HTTP/1.1 200 OK | |||
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flussence | it's printing the \r but not the \n... | 00:22 | |
tony-o | nice | 00:27 | |
geekosaur watches inbox start smoldering >.> | 00:29 | ||
ugexe | yeah... they should both get stripped off | 00:30 | |
m: say lines("a\r\nb\n").perl | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«("a", "b")» | ||
quietfanatic | Is there any way to procedurally generate routine signatures to pass to NativeCall? | 00:34 | |
I don't want to have to EVAL. | |||
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tony-o | quietfanatic: i'm guessing you'd have to write something to look at the stubs in .h or the functions in the .c .. | 00:39 | |
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tony-o | still, a stub that looks like int '(*ss_callback)(int, char*);' would be difficult to handle | 00:40 | |
quietfanatic | I'm doing that. What I mean is | ||
how to give NativeCall the information | |||
I have a structure representing the function I've parsed out of the .h, I just need to convert that into something NativeCall understands. | 00:41 | ||
re: class scoping, I get it now, I was just thinking with C++ brain. | 00:42 | ||
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tony-o | ah, your question is more along the lines of making that sub available in scope of whatever dynamically | 00:43 | |
quietfanatic | right | 00:46 | |
It may be possible to create subroutines with, say, Routine.new(signature => ...) or something like that. I'll look into it. | |||
ugexe | m: class A { has $.foo = sub foo { say 1 }; }; class B is A { method bar { $.foo.() } }; B.new.bar | 00:49 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«1» | ||
tony-o | m: class A { method foo { say 1; } }; class B is A { method bar { $.foo; } }; B.new.bar; | 00:50 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«1» | ||
tony-o | m: class A { method foo { say 1; } }; class B is A { method bar { foo; } }; B.new.bar; | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/woSVYxkkDYUndeclared routine: foo used at line 1» | ||
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dduncan | TimToady - thank you for your response of "the intention is that auth dominate version, such that each auth gets its own independent versioning scheme, and if two different auths match up their versions, it's by agreement or by accident, but not enforced" | 01:31 | |
yoleaux | 12 Jun 2015 13:31Z <TimToady> dduncan: the intention is that auth dominate version, such that each auth gets its own independent versioning scheme, and if two different auths match up their versions, it's by agreement or by accident, but not enforced | ||
dduncan | ... so that's how it works, anyway ... | ||
However, this didn't answer my question. | 01:32 | ||
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dduncan | My question assumes what you said, that the versioning schemes of different auth don't in general line up... | 01:33 | |
The scenario I am asking about concerns when two different auth at different times whether by intention or coincidence happen to be compatible in all the ways that affect some user... | 01:34 | ||
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dduncan | The question is how does the user request, if auth is X, I know I'm compatible with versions 5-7, or if auth is Y, I know I'm compatible with versions 42-45. | 01:35 | |
and by 'or' I mean 'and' | |||
I assume that sometimes branches will strive to be mutually compatible in some ways even if they differ in other ways, and the common ground may be what the user wants. | 01:36 | ||
Or do you think this scenario would be so rare that users should just pick one auth? | 01:37 | ||
in their 'use' | |||
Note, here I thought yoleaux would message me when I simply joined the channel, rather than after the first post, but there you go. | 01:38 | ||
geekosaur | lots of people idle on IRC and their clients may disconnect and reconnect randomly; be bad to lose a message bvecause that happened and then it scrolled away | 01:43 | |
(or netsplits, etc.) | |||
dduncan | Right, that makes sense. | 01:44 | |
I knew about the response because I saw it on the web archive, then came here to reply as my first thing. Guess I could have said 'ping' or something to trigger the bot and provide context for my response that way. | 01:45 | ||
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diakopter | JIT isn't supported on arm-linux-gnueabihf-thread-multi-64int yet. | 02:17 | |
*lolcry* | |||
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pmichaud | good evening, #perl6 | 03:33 | |
skids | o/ | 03:39 | |
Ben_Goldberg | It's almost gone past 'evening' in my timezone ... 'afternight' ? ;) | 03:56 | |
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skids | m: grammar foo { my $x = 0; regex TOP { <f> b || b <f> }; regex f { :let $x; { $x++; $x.say; } a } }; foo.parse("ba") # should a failed rule count as unsuccessful for the purpose of "let"? | 04:17 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«12» | ||
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zostay | i'm noting 408 errors from Travis CI when trying to fetch ecosystem-api.p6c.org/projects.json, anyone else encounter that problem? | 04:27 | |
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skids | I've had to wget it myself, and so have others. | 04:28 | |
Worse it hangs for ages before it barfs. | |||
zostay | yeah, i noticed... it was working until fairly recently | 04:29 | |
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ugexe | dduncan: this sort of covers the topic you bring up: github.com/perl6/specs/blob/master...d#emulates (although its not implemented yet) | 04:59 | |
lizmat waves from the town where we will make First Contact in 2063 | 05:00 | ||
dduncan | ugexe, thank you, I thought something like emulates might be the answer, I'll have a look. | 05:02 | |
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dduncan | So this seems to be going at it from a different angle; rather than the consumer module enumerating the options they know they work with, they just list one, and its up to alternate suppliers to say they can step in for what was asked for. | 05:15 | |
skids | Has anyone figured out a way to run a bit of "undo" code or roll back state when a rule is backtracked over? Seems tough, given the current state of Cursor. | 05:17 | |
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lizmat | skids: can't you do something with temp ? | 05:18 | |
Woodi | literal: it is already scheduled ? but talking implies some for of contact... ;) | 05:19 | |
lizmat: ^ :) | |||
lizmat | plancast.com/p/tkm/first-contact-pa...-star-trek # seems we missed last year's party | 05:20 | |
skids | lizmat: Was part of why I was asking about :let above, but things like that and dynamics can handle it for descent, but not concatinations. e.g. rx/a <rule> b || <rule> <rule> c/. | 05:22 | |
lizmat | ah, ok, I believe you | ||
I'm too tired after driving 9 hours today + some impressive sightseeing in Yellowstone Park | 05:23 | ||
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lizmat | good night, #perl6! | 05:24 | |
skids | sleep well, lizmat | ||
ugexe | dduncan: there is always interfaces, dependency injection, and monkey typing | 05:28 | |
you can already do try require Dog1; try require Dog2; my $dog = ::("Dog1") ~~ Failure ?? ::("Dog2").new !! ::("Dog1").new I'm not sure how you add the auth/version requirements to those, but assuming they have the same interface you can use $dog as whichever one gets loaded | 05:30 | ||
dduncan | ok | 05:31 | |
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Woodi | oh, and if we need more special ascii symbols we can introduce some control character followed by already used symbols :) ':' already works like this | 05:43 | |
but probably it's like with to much energy in one place - it can create black hole... | 05:44 | ||
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Woodi | or maybe '#' is under utilized... we could have comments in .oO( comment ) :) | 05:55 | |
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FROGGS | flussence: merged your panda PR | 06:13 | |
@all: please test latest panda, it should be able to download its projects.json again # flussence++ | |||
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skids | I can panda update now, yes. | 06:24 | |
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[Sno] | good night, lizmat | 06:26 | |
FROGGS: I've added some time for cross-compiling perl6 for our homepilot platform to use NativeCall :) | |||
so I might ping you in a few weeks ... | 06:27 | ||
FROGGS | [Sno]: hi | 06:28 | |
[Sno]: what's a homepilot platform? | |||
[Sno] | FROGGS: that's an embbedded environment (linux) built by a cross-compiling platform (open-embedded) with local adoptions | ||
my next steps are: migrate our current environment (daisy based, > 1yr old) to fido (recent Yocto/poky/open-embedded release), update kernel and device drivers to a supported version, build jvm8, build moarvm, build nqp for jvm & moarvm | 06:30 | ||
hopefully not to many hacks will be needed :) | |||
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[Sno] | FROGGS: it's i.MX6 based, fyi | 06:31 | |
dalek | p/mingw32: 50b8354 | FROGGS++ | Configure.pl: allow to build using gmake/gcc on windows |
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FROGGS | [Sno]: sounds like fun :o) | 06:32 | |
[Sno] | I'll report when I enter the MoarVM/JVM fun ^^ | ||
there is probably a reason why meta-java is still on v7 using icedtea :/ | 06:33 | ||
I planned 3 weeks to build java and another week for nqp | |||
dalek | kudo/mingw32: a862c41 | FROGGS++ | / (2 files): allow to build using gmake/gcc on windows |
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FROGGS | [Sno]: yeah, keep me/us posted | ||
[Sno] | sure | ||
FROGGS | .tell cygx please test the three mingw32 branches if you have time... it should work without hacks | 06:35 | |
yoleaux | FROGGS: I'll pass your message to cygx. | ||
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vendethiel waves | 07:34 | ||
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FROGGS | vendethiel: can you please test the three mingw32 branches on osx? | 08:00 | |
bbl | 08:01 | ||
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Ven | FROGGS: I did `git checkout mingw32 && cd nqp && git checkout mingw32 && cd MoarVM && git checkout mingw32 && make && cd .. && make && cd .. && make` | 08:15 | |
Am getting this now: ld: can't map file, errno=22 file 'rakudo/install/lib/' for architecture x86_64 (said directory contains "libmoar.dylib" and "MAST/") | 08:16 | ||
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FROGGS[mobile] | aha | 08:40 | |
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FROGGS[mobile] | will investigate later | 08:40 | |
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cygx | o/ | 08:47 | |
yoleaux | 06:35Z <FROGGS> cygx: please test the three mingw32 branches if you have time... it should work without hacks | ||
cygx | .tell FROGGS your branches work as expected (with the caveat that you have to set MVM_SPESH_DISABLE to compile the setting) | 08:48 | |
yoleaux | cygx: I'll pass your message to FROGGS. | ||
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cygx | .tell FROGGS instead of looking for $ENV{VisualStudioVersion}, one could also try to detect if your Perl5 has been compiled using MinGW, eg by looking at $Config{ccname} or $Config{gmake} | 08:53 | |
yoleaux | cygx: I'll pass your message to FROGGS. | ||
cygx | FROGGS[mobile]: ^^ | 08:54 | |
.tell FROGGS the one thing that is not quite right is that the import library libmoar.dll.a ends up in /bin - it probably should go into /lib | 09:00 | ||
yoleaux | cygx: I'll pass your message to FROGGS. | ||
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FROGGS[mobile] | cygx: we want to be independend from P5 (in theory) | 09:19 | |
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cygx | FROGGS[mobile]: | 09:33 | |
FROGGS[mobile]: also note that going with $ENV{VisualStudioVersion} won't detect the Windows SDK shell | |||
probably not all that much of a problem in practice, though | 09:34 | ||
Ven | m: module A{module B{class C{}}}; say A::B::C.^name; # any way to get the fully-qualified name? | 09:42 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«C» | ||
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cygx | bye o/ | 09:52 | |
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itz_ | oops panda :) | 10:19 | |
Ven | is "Empty" supposed to disappear post-glr? (as in, is it just a temporary band-aid?) | 10:23 | |
FROGGS[mobile] | cygx: my windows sdk shell sets it AFAIK | 10:26 | |
Ven | "and the temporary Empty type." I see | 10:27 | |
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Ven | oh, the debugger still segfaults. seems to happen when you try to navigate around after an exception has been played. "+ Exception Thrown | Died" | 10:39 | |
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AlexDaniel | all links that have a dot are broken: doc.perl6.org/routine.html < . .() .* .+ .. ... ..^ etc > | 10:54 | |
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smls | .tell pmichaud In your new GLR design, will if/when/unless blocks return Nil or () or Slip on a false condition, and will this idiom continue to work: say "foo{'bar' if $verbose}baz" | 11:06 | |
yoleaux | 12 Jun 2015 13:51Z <TimToady> smls: just to clarify, irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2015-06-11#i_10735146 is not quite truthy enough to be true; assignment to @ does not enforce Positional, it merely coerces any non-positional to a list of one element | ||
smls: I'll pass your message to pmichaud. | |||
smls | TimToady: Oh right, it's only when you bind with := that you need to make sure the RHS is already Positional. | 11:08 | |
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moritz | assignment to % and @ is generaly coercive | 11:13 | |
yoleaux | 12 Jun 2015 17:23Z <ab5tract> moritz: done, done, and done ;) | ||
moritz | ab5tract: then merge away! | 11:14 | |
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flussence | this is weird, `panda install Linenoise` always fails on a clean reinstall of rakudo, but `panda install $any-other-module Linenoise` works fine... | 11:59 | |
oh, it's already known | 12:00 | ||
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mr_ron | no strict; %h<a> = 42; {temp %h<b> = 8} | 12:16 | |
m: no strict; %h<a> = 42; {temp %h<b> = 8} | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«Type check failed in binding cont; expected 'Any' but got 'Mu' in block <unit> at /tmp/AYhNmfAB9o:1» | ||
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mr_ron | m: no strict; %h<a> = 42; | 12:17 | |
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
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mr_ron | bug I think | 12:17 | |
Ven | m: temp %h<b> = 8 | 12:19 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/3g1OTkzVIMVariable '%h' is not declaredat /tmp/3g1OTkzVIM:1------> 3temp 7⏏5%h<b> = 8» | ||
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Ven | m: (temp %h)<b> = 8 | 12:19 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/QXsCghabZ8Variable '%h' is not declaredat /tmp/QXsCghabZ8:1------> 3(temp 7⏏5%h)<b> = 8» | ||
Ven | m: no strict; temp %h<b> = 8 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«Type check failed in binding cont; expected 'Any' but got 'Mu' in block <unit> at /tmp/dvEGWzXNXu:1» | ||
Ven | m: no strict; (temp %h)<b> = 8 | ||
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
Ven | mr_ron: I think that's the issue :) | ||
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mr_ron | Good golf anyway ... | 12:22 | |
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dalek | c: 02e357f | ab5tract++ | bin/p6doc: Add a disambiguation prompt when there is more than one match for -f |
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doc: f9b7d83 | ab5tract++ | bin/p6doc: | |||
doc: Theoretically support single-value matches | |||
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masak | good afternoon, #perl6 | 13:35 | |
FROGGS | . | ||
yoleaux | 08:48Z <cygx> FROGGS: your branches work as expected (with the caveat that you have to set MVM_SPESH_DISABLE to compile the setting) | ||
08:53Z <cygx> FROGGS: instead of looking for $ENV{VisualStudioVersion}, one could also try to detect if your Perl5 has been compiled using MinGW, eg by looking at $Config{ccname} or $Config{gmake} | |||
09:00Z <cygx> FROGGS: the one thing that is not quite right is that the import library libmoar.dll.a ends up in /bin - it probably should go into /lib | |||
FROGGS | o/ | ||
.tell Ven you did not 'make install', right? | 13:36 | ||
yoleaux | FROGGS: I'll pass your message to Ven. | ||
FROGGS | .tell cygx I was able to compile the setting without disabling spesh.... can you tell what windows/perl/gcc versions you have? | 13:38 | |
yoleaux | FROGGS: I'll pass your message to cygx. | ||
RabidGravy | what do I have to do get "$some_object ~~ $some_enum_value" to work properly? It seems to always ignore the sub infix:<~~> and want a Numeric method on the LHS | 13:41 | |
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FROGGS | RabidGravy: an enum is a numeric thing... so only a numeric thing can possibly match | 13:43 | |
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RabidGravy | but can't you make it go with a more specific overload of '~~'? I have a case where I want it to possibly smart match a number of different enums in different attributes of the object | 13:45 | |
FROGGS | RabidGravy: can you show some example code here? | ||
RabidGravy | i.e. $obj ~~ Sometype $obj ~~ Somesubtype etc | 13:46 | |
FROGGS | what about obj ~~ Sometype|Somesubtype ? | ||
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RabidGravy | that's not quite what I mean | 13:50 | |
FROGGS | then I misunderstand | 13:51 | |
RabidGravy | I've got for instance "multi sub infix:<~~> (Audio::Sndfile:D $as, Audio::Sndfile::Info::Format $type) { $as.info.type == $type }" - it appears to ignore that | 13:53 | |
FROGGS | RabidGravy: ohh, you probably want to implement an ACCEPTS method on Audio::Sndfile::Info::Format instead | 13:54 | |
RabidGravy | can you do that on an enum? | ||
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FROGGS | hmmmm | 13:55 | |
m: role Bar { method ACCEPTS($lhs) { True } }; enum Foo does Bar < bar baz >; say "foo" ~~ bar | 13:56 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«True» | ||
RabidGravy | ah hah! I had it the wrong way round | 13:59 | |
FROGGS++ # top suggestions | |||
FROGGS | yeah, ~~ is compiled to a call to ACCEPTS... they way it is implemented it will ignore sub infix:<~~> | ||
jdv79 | is there a way to know if an op is overrideable, or a list of ones that cant be? | 14:07 | |
FROGGS | hmmm, good question | 14:08 | |
there are only a few ops where we cheat | |||
Ven_ | \o masak | 14:13 | |
FROGGS: I couldn't | |||
FROGGS | Ven_: you could not? | ||
Ven_ | FROGGS: it failed before | ||
trying to `make` rakudo itself | 14:14 | ||
FROGGS | Ven_: I am talking about MoarVM and nqp | ||
Ven_ | oh! | 14:15 | |
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RabidGravy | panda-test | 14:31 | |
Boo! wrong window | |||
Ven_ | FROGGS: re-making rakudo | 14:34 | |
FROGGS++: can confirm it works :) | |||
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FROGGS | Ven_: thanks!! | 14:45 | |
:D | |||
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hoelzro | happy Saturday, and good mroning #perl6! | 14:50 | |
RabidGravy | is the number of bits in 'int' always the same as $*KERNEL.bits? | 14:51 | |
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Ven_ | uh, even after `make install`, `perl6` fails (but `./install/bin/perl6` works...). I have both rakudo/ and rakudo/install/bin in my path | 14:53 | |
lizmat | good *, #perl6! | ||
Ven_ | hi lizmat | ||
RabidGravy | erp | 14:54 | |
lizmat | Ven_ RabidGravy hoelzro FROGGS jdv79 o/ | ||
hoelzro | o/ lizmat | ||
lizmat | RabidGravy: not 100% sure: I guess you *could* build a 32-bit Moar on a 64bit kernel | ||
and then they would differ | 14:55 | ||
m: say $*KERNEL.hardware | 14:56 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«x86_64» | ||
FROGGS | hi lizmat | ||
RabidGravy | lizmat, Hmm true. I'll put this aside for a bit. | 15:03 | |
Ven_ | FROGGS: any step I'm missing? global `perl6` invocation just says "Missing or wrong version of dependency 'gen/moar/stage2/QRegex.nqp' (from 'src/Perl6/Pod.nqp')" | 15:06 | |
RabidGravy | if you're in the build directory it seems to do that | ||
Ven_ | oh, yes. wow, it's been a long time. hahaa | 15:07 | |
RabidGravy | never been sufficiently curious as to find out why | 15:10 | |
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dalek | p/mingw32: ef6cbe9 | FROGGS++ | Configure.pl: ask moar for the make utility used |
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dalek | kudo/mingw32: f2abc9d | FROGGS++ | Configure.pl: check for nmake/cl/gmake/gcc instead of trusting env vars |
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FROGGS | .tell cygx now it works in the windows sdk shell too | 15:22 | |
yoleaux | FROGGS: I'll pass your message to cygx. | ||
hoelzro | m: my @lines = 'foo=1', 'bar=2'; my @result = gather for @lines -> $line { take $line.split('=') }; say @result.perl | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«[]<>» | ||
hoelzro | should that stick 'foo', '1', 'bar', '2' into @result? | ||
lizmat | m: my @lines = 'foo=1', 'bar=2'; say @lines | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«foo=1 bar=2» | 15:23 | |
hoelzro | m: my @lines = 'foo=1', 'bar=2'; my @result = gather for @lines -> $line { my ( $k, $v ) = $line.split('='); take $k, $v }; say @result.perl | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«["foo", "1", "bar", "2"]<>» | ||
lizmat | m: (a => 42).split("=") | 15:24 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«Method 'split' not found for invocant of class 'Pair' in block <unit> at /tmp/3D9YG92J70:1» | ||
lizmat | ?? | ||
m: my @lines = 'foo=1', 'bar=2'; say @lines[0].WHAT | 15:25 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«(Str)» | ||
lizmat | ah | ||
lizmat is not quite awake yet, apparently | |||
hoelzro | lizmat: are you still in SLC? | ||
lizmat | no, in Bozeman, MT | ||
looking for the place of First Contact :-) | |||
hoelzro | ah ha =) | 15:26 | |
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TimToady whistles a five-note tune | 15:28 | ||
lizmat | m: say (gather take "a=42".split("=")).perl # this feels like a bug | 15:30 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«()» | ||
lizmat | m: say gather .take for "a=42".split("=") # this seems to work | 15:31 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«a 42» | ||
lizmat | m: say (gather .take for "a=42".split("=")).perl # to be more precise | 15:32 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar af886d: OUTPUT«("a", "42")» | ||
lizmat | hoelzro: perhaps this is a better workaround for now? | 15:33 | |
hoelzro | lizmat: ah, interesting | ||
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hoelzro | I decided to just use some explicit variables; I'll RT up the bug | 15:34 | |
lizmat | hoelzro++ | ||
dalek | kudo/mingw32: f6e73df | FROGGS++ | Configure.pl: make quecking for cl.exe not blocking endlessly |
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hoelzro | alright, ticketed a RT #125401 | 15:40 | |
synbot6 | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=125401 | ||
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hoelzro | gtodd1: I changed how Linenoise gets its constant values; could you try installing it again and see if it works? | 15:57 | |
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dalek | kudo/mingw32: aec5fb4 | FROGGS++ | Configure.pl: use moar's make utility if possible |
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zacts | hi | 16:09 | |
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ab6tract | m: 9457079caa | 16:14 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/RAN5cPQ1TdConfusedat /tmp/RAN5cPQ1Td:1------> 0394570797⏏5caa expecting any of: whitespace» | ||
ab6tract | m: gist.github.com/ab5tract/9457079caa93244511b1 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«1 what what 1 how how 2 this this» | ||
ab6tract | How would one go about having an index value that will increase by every element of lists found in %hash.values | 16:16 | |
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FROGGS | m: gist.github.com/FROGGS/3ab0151f513b570eeb4e | 16:18 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«1 what 1 what 2 how 2 how 3 this 3 this» | ||
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ab5tract | FROGGS: should have known :) | 16:21 | |
FROGGS[mobile] | that's not what you wanted, though, right? | 16:23 | |
ab6tract | not really, no | 16:24 | |
it's closer, but not quite there. in this case it would be index 1-6 | |||
*indexed | |||
m: gist.github.com/ab5tract/9457079caa93244511b1 | 16:32 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/74mbom9ifNVariable '%hash' is not declared. Did you mean '&hash'?at /tmp/74mbom9ifN:3------> 3my $size = [+] 7⏏5%hash.values.map({ +@^a });» | ||
ab6tract | m: gist.github.com/ab5tract/9457079caa93244511b1 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«1what 2what 3how» | ||
RabidGravy | does @array1 ~~ @array2 definitely stop comparing when it reaches the end of @array1? | 16:33 | |
so if one wanted the two arrays to be exactly the same you''d have to compare the length too | 16:34 | ||
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TimToady | it must be an exact match | 16:35 | |
m: say [1,2] ~~ [1,2,3] | 16:36 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«False» | ||
TimToady | m: say [1,2,3] ~~ [1,2] | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«False» | ||
TimToady | easy enough to test... | ||
RabidGravy | ah, okay my original test of the behaviour was completely stupid | 16:37 | |
m: say (^10) ~~ (^30); | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«True» | ||
TimToady | those are ranges, not arrays :) | ||
RabidGravy | yes | ||
TimToady | and the first range is definitely within the second | ||
and it should be testing just the endpoints | 16:38 | ||
m: say ^10000000 ~~ ^100000000000 | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«True» | ||
TimToady | m: say 0..10 ~~ ^10 | 16:39 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«False» | ||
TimToady | m: say 0..9.99999999999 ~~ ^10 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«True» | ||
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TimToady | smls: slip() should not be any less useful than Empty wrt false conditions working in list-comprehensional situations | 16:41 | |
RabidGravy | why when: | 16:43 | |
m: class Foo {}; class Foo {} | 16:44 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 6884d0: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/7TQoHbS5s_Redeclaration of symbol Fooat /tmp/7TQoHbS5s_:1------> 3class Foo {}; class Foo7⏏5 {} expecting any of: generic role» | ||
RabidGravy | does: | ||
m: class Array {} | |||
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
RabidGravy | not complain? | ||
this is, er, somewhat dangerous IMO | |||
(my limited research suggests that this is the case for all classes defined in the setting) | 16:45 | ||
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dalek | c: 0f40e8d | ab5tract++ | bin/p6doc: Use numbers for interactive disambiguation if there is a first letter collision |
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afk & | |||
ab6tract | o/ TimToady ! | ||
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RabidGravy | is there a way of populating a new (potentially large) CArray from a regular Array without copying the contents element by element? | 17:13 | |
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ugexe | wondering the same thing myself | 17:16 | |
skids | If you were asking about making a Buf, the answer would be "no" because reasons: gist.github.com/skids/aabd2aad3d0b5ad8481b | 17:17 | |
I do not know what the formally specced disposition of CArray is for memory contiguity. | |||
ugexe | on that same note, is there a more efficient way to slice up a Buf into a single Buf made up of subbufs of the original Buf? creating a new Buf for each subbuf and then creating a new Buf for each of those seems like im doing something wrong | 17:18 | |
skids | I think the general idea there was that you would use subbuf and that would just be a window into the original memory, but as to implementation efficiency there... | 17:20 | |
ab5tract | skids: "not guaranteed on all implementations" <-- do you mean it is not supported by all Rakudo backends? | ||
skids | ab5tract: looking I wrote that long ago. | ||
ab5tract | the next paragraph clears up the intent of the example, though | 17:21 | |
skids | ab5tract: I think I was meaning, "not bolted to the floor in the spec" | 17:23 | |
ab5tract | skids: gotcha | 17:26 | |
A very interesting read | |||
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skids | Theoretically if you made a bunch of subbufs from a buf, and then threw away all refs to the buf itself, GC could be made smart enough to realloc to only hold the memory actually pointed to by the subbufs that you still have held, but as to whether we ever get there... | 17:27 | |
So if we are talkig about long-lived subbufs, copying might be better. | 17:28 | ||
Also last time I looked at subbuf handlig code it was of the "first make it work" variety. | 17:29 | ||
ugexe | skids++ good stuff to know | 17:32 | |
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RabidGravy | okay, looks like it'll have to be "use NativeCall; my @foos = (^10000); my $foo = CArray[int32].new; $foo[$_] = @foos[$_] for ^@foos.elems;" | 17:39 | |
we'll have to wait for nice things | 17:40 | ||
skids | :-) | 17:41 | |
CArray seems to exist primarily for the "I can't carry a .elems alongside this ref" purpose so maybe the "nice thing" would be .subbuf($elems) and a is-rw-shaped-native-array coercer method on that class. | 17:45 | ||
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vendethiel | tadzik: I have a Bailador PM ready | 19:16 | |
tadzik | oh :) | 19:17 | |
masak | "PM"? Prime Minister? | ||
tadzik | let me see | ||
bailador having a prime minister would be huge | |||
vendethiel | uh | 19:18 | |
PR* | |||
.oO( my R and M keys are too close ) |
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tadzik | vendethiel: hmm, I wonder if PSGI specifies whether the list must be 3 elements long | ||
so whether we should have Any or not | |||
vendethiel | tadzik: there's another issue opened for that, though :) | 19:19 | |
I figured I'd just fix the tests for now | |||
tadzik | I think there should be a clear answer for that | ||
vendethiel | ah, but my PR would close it... | ||
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tadzik | let's figure out the answer then | 19:20 | |
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tadzik | also, travis I'd like to keep working, let's see if we can get ahold of szabgab and see what we can do | 19:20 | |
but I think the solution ultimately boils down to tagging module releases and making panda understand them | 19:21 | ||
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tadzik | or even teach meta.info to know what rakudo version is required for what and whatnot | 19:22 | |
I wonder if Perl 5 has a good solution for it | |||
probably not, since they don't break stuff too much |