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skids .tell lizmat Re: the Block vs Routine/Any vs Mu issue: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/447 01:52
yoleaux skids: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
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zostay m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a.perl.say; @a>>.perl.say; 03:49
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«Array[Int].new(1, 2, 3)␤1 2 3␤»
zostay m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; @a.perl.say; @a>>.perl.say; 03:50
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«Array[Int].new(1, Int, 3)␤1 Mu 3␤»
zostay that's confusing to me... the type of the box looks different when you look at the elements individually 03:51
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skids m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; @a[0,1,2]>>.perl.say; 04:59
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«1 Int 3␤»
skids m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; (@a,)>>.gist.say;
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«1 (Any) 3␤»
skids m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; (@a,)>>.perl.say; 05:00
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«1 Any 3␤»
skids m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; @a.list.perl.say;
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«Array[Int].new(1, Int, 3)␤»
skids m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; @a.list>>.perl.say; 05:01
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«1 Mu 3␤»
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aditya rakudo: say 1..5 05:15
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«1..5␤»
aditya rakudo: print 1..5
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«12345»
aditya Why the difference between say and print? 05:16
1..5 is not evaluated when passed to say.
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b2gills `say` calls `.gist` on the object while `print` just calls `.Str` (effectively) 05:39
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ugexe it looks like say(\x) gets called when maybe say(|) is expected 05:47
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masak morning, #perl6! 06:33
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moritz good morning, masak, ugexe, b2gills, * 06:35
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masak moritz: does German have the thing where translating English tech terminology into their corresponding German words isn't done because it sounds so silly to use the non-English term? 06:50
(Swedish most certainly does)
xiaomiao masak: there's official german terms, but they are mostly wrong
moritz masak: yes (though there are always a few technophobes who still translate)
xiaomiao e.g. a stack becomes a cellar, and then it's like wtf ur doing
masak I just had the realization that "markör" would be the perfect translation of "[Git] tag". and "markera" would be the verb. but I don't see a future where I will use the Swedish words a lot. 06:51
xiaomiao a compiler is a translator :)
moritz: the proper translation is often not the officially accepted word, so german tech words are screwed up badly
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masak xiaomiao: you put your finger on one important aspect of eschewing the non-English terms: they lose their original precise meaning. 06:51
moritz: I'm not a technophobe (I think), but sometimes I do wonder if I shouldn't translate more. 06:52
moritz xiaomiao: though even public authorities use the word "E-Mail" by now, instead of "Elektronische Post"
masak moritz: if for no other reason that my brain runs smoother when it doesn't have to context-switch all the time, even for a single word.
moritz or "Elektronischer Brief"
xiaomiao masak: no, I'm saying, the german official word is plain *wrong* 06:53
a cellar is a heap, not a stack
masak *nod*
xiaomiao moritz: "De-Mail" giggle.
masak xiaomiao: putting aside the translations that are simply wrong... there's something weird to me about using a Swedish term where I've been using the English one for years. even if it's a good translation. 06:55
xiaomiao masak: it's more fun in french 06:56
masak for example, I've yet to find a Swedish word for "[source code] repository", even though there are lots of Swedish words meaning "a place to store things".
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moritz xiaomiao: "Repo" is a German word, right? 06:58
:-)
xiaomiao now it is 06:59
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atroxaper morning, #perl6 ! 07:13
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masak yeah, I tend to say "repo" in Swedish too. 07:17
atroxaper, RabidGravy: morning! 07:18
atroxaper masak: o/
RabidGravy: o/
nine xiaomiao: oh yes, that confused me a lot when I started studying after having 15 years of experience in software development. They used those strange, non-fitting terms for everything. 07:19
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xiaomiao nine: well ... I had the luxury of having half the lectures in bad english 07:19
which is even more fun
nine Good thing it's over :) 07:20
xiaomiao yeah, chinglish is even more fun 07:21
JimmyZ as, long time no see? 07:22
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xiaomiao JimmyZ: hmm, let me try to remember the phrase 07:23
"the zero-cash refund policy rubs the tapioca"
JimmyZ cant understand it ...
RabidGravy "my postillion got struck by lightning" 07:24
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xiaomiao JimmyZ: I'm also not quite sure, but ... China 07:25
just nod and smile ;)
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masak xiaomiao: I think you would appreciate languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=17487 07:27
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xiaomiao hah. not bad ... 07:32
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mj41 .tell JimmyZ github.com/perl6/docker/pull/2 07:40
yoleaux 25 Jun 2015 16:32Z <tony-o> mj41: i might use that instead of protone :-)
mj41: I'll pass your message to JimmyZ.
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mj41 .tell hoelzro hi, please review/merge github.com/perl6/docker/pull/2 , thx 07:41
yoleaux mj41: I'll pass your message to hoelzro.
JimmyZ mj41: I think you want to push to github.com/perl6/perl6-docker? 07:42
yoleaux 07:40Z <mj41> JimmyZ: github.com/perl6/docker/pull/2
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mj41 JimmyZ: thx, I forked the wrong repo 07:45
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RabidGravy forking hell 07:46
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atroxaper Question: how can i prevent flattering like this: 07:49
rakudo: my @ar; push @ar, %(a => 'aa', b => 'bb'); push @ar, %(A => 'AA', b => 'BB'); say @ar.perl;
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«[:a("aa"), :b("bb"), :A("AA"), :b("BB")]<>␤»
moritz atroxaper: use { } instead of %( )
atroxaper moritz: hm... Works in irc. Going to try in code :) 07:50
mj41 JimmyZ: the right one github.com/perl6/perl6-docker/pull/1
.tell hoelzro err, the right one is here github.com/perl6/perl6-docker/pull/1 07:51
yoleaux mj41: I'll pass your message to hoelzro.
atroxaper moritz: thanks!
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atroxaper moritz: one more question. I cant make array of hashes from array like this @lines.map: { {key1 => ~$_.value1, key2 => ~$_.value2} }, 07:52
moritz: what i do wrong? 07:53
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moritz atroxaper: please specify "I cant" in more detail 07:56
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moritz m: say (:a, :b).map: { { key1 => ~$_.key, key2 => ~$_.value }}).perl 07:57
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/Ptj1UzwV54␤Unexpected closing bracket␤at /tmp/Ptj1UzwV54:1␤------> 3 { key1 => ~$_.key, key2 => ~$_.value }}7⏏5).perl␤»
moritz m: say ((:a, :b).map: { { key1 => ~$_.key, key2 => ~$_.value } }).perl 07:58
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«((:key1("a"), :key2("True")), (:key1("b"), :key2("True")))␤»
[Tux] Even slower today :(
test 50000 44.392 44.304
test-t 50000 43.672 43.583
moritz mj41, hoelzro: why do we have perl6/docker and perl6/perl6-docker/? should I delete one of them? if yes, which? 08:00
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mj41 moritz: IMHO we should delete perl6/perl6-docker or deprecate it ( see my pull request github.com/perl6/perl6-docker/pull/1 ). registry.hub.docker.com/_/rakudo-star/ has link to perl6/docker so this one should stay. 08:04
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masak hehe... "prevent flattering" 08:11
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masak bonus points to whoever manages to get a slide title into their talk with "Flattening will get you nowhere" :P 08:11
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masak [Tux]: thanks for keeping track of the relative speed of things. I'd say it's a worrying trend that it keeps getting slower... but I also know that every now and then there's an optimization of something somewhere that more than offsets all those slowdowns. 08:30
[Tux]: I guess in some sense it's inevitable that there will be small slowdowns when people (for example) add more code to the setting. still, it's good to have a canary point them out at regular intervals. :) 08:31
dalek kudo/nom: 7f96347 | root++ | src/core/ (2 files):
Add an ":elide-type" adverbial parameter to Parameter.perl

depending on the attached code, as blocks and literals have a default signature type of Mu while routines use Any.
Note this affects the output of Signature.perl and Signature.gist, but not for aggregate container sigils (@, %, or &).		 08:34
kudo/nom: 3d645fe | lizmat++ | src/core/ (2 files):
Merge pull request #447 from skids/elide_param_types

Add an ":elide-type" adverbial parameter to Parameter.perl
atroxaper moritz: I got list of lists instead of list of hashes.
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masak oh, skids === root ? 08:42
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masak anyway, skids++ lizmat++ 08:43
lizmat masak: I wouldn't now, /me just clicks the buttons :-)
yoleaux 01:52Z <skids> lizmat: Re: the Block vs Routine/Any vs Mu issue: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/447
lizmat *nkw 08:44
*know
grrrr lack of awakeness
Grrrr notes he's in fact awake 08:45
lizmat m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; @a.list>>.perl.say; # I'm not sure how we can fix this 08:48
camelia rakudo-moar a47a3d: OUTPUT«1 Mu 3␤»
lizmat when .perl is called on the deleted element, it is outside of the context of the array
it is effectively an nqp::isnull(), which becomes Mu in P6 speak 08:49
m: my Int @a = 1, 2, 3; @a[1]:delete; (@a,)>>.perl.say # similarly, here the Parcel creation has taken the nqp::isnull() and created a default container for it 08:50
camelia rakudo-moar 3d645f: OUTPUT«1 Any 3␤»
lizmat aka an Any, since the Parcel doesn't know about typing its containers 08:51
sorry Grrrr :-)
will grrrrrrrrr from now on
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lizmat perhaps :delete on arrays should have different semantics after all? and be a shortcut to do a splice ? 08:53
(potentially multiple splices)
Grrrr lizmat: it's alright, grrrr away :)
lizmat m: my @a = ^10; @a[1,3,5,7]:delete; say @a.perl
camelia rakudo-moar 3d645f: OUTPUT«[0, Any, 2, Any, 4, Any, 6, Any, 8, 9]<>␤»
lizmat would then have become [0,2,4,6,8,0]<> 08:54
perhaps we should have a :null adverb on arrays (and potentially hashes) ? 08:55
m: use nqp; my %h; %h<a> := nqp::null() #hmmmm 08:57
camelia rakudo-moar 3d645f: OUTPUT«Unexpected named parameter 'BIND' passed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/GYnIiEF0VO:1␤␤»
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RabidGravy is there any important difference between die Exception.new and Exception.new.throw ? 08:58
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lizmat multi sub die(Exception $e) { $e.throw } # .throw is more direct 08:59
that would be the only difference afaics 09:00
RabidGravy okay, that's what I would do. I was curious as most of the rakudo code does the "die Exception" variant. 09:01
lizmat I guess from a code optimization point of view, the die() would be optimized to the correct candidate at compile time 09:03
at the expense of having to do something extra when it triggers, but then we don't care much about performance anyway anymore 09:04
jnthn: ^^^ does that make sense?
hmmm... thinking about it more, it doesn't, as the object is not created until it triggers, so the MMD doesn't happen until then either, I would think 09:05
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lizmat re the %h<a> := nqp::null(), me haz wrought a ticket: #125487 09:28
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dalek kudo/nom: a15dacb | lizmat++ | src/core/ (2 files):
Use die() only for ad-hoc in the settings
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lizmat afk&
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atroxaper It's so cool to use Perl6 in commercial product! I have to write generator of Java and C++ libraries of OpenFlow standard. Perl6 grammar, actions, Template::Mustache and all done! 10:15
grondilu is confused by Template::Mustache 10:17
moritz atroxaper: please blog about it! 10:18
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atroxaper moritz: hm... Good idea. I'll do so in a week. 10:22
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atroxaper grondilu: what do you mean? 10:23
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jaffa4 hi all 10:24
atroxaper jaffa4: o/
jaffa4 how can i make a sub visible defined in a block to the outside world? 10:25
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grondilu atroxaper: I just have no idea what this is or if it's a joke or something. I have to look it up I guess. 10:26
atroxaper grondilu: It's logic-less templates sustem mustache.github.io 10:28
grondilu ok, meanwhile I was reading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustache_(te...te_system)
moritz jaffa4: one option is my &outer_name = do { block here; sub { anon sub as last statement } } 10:29
jaffa4: another is to write a proper module instead of a block, and import the sub 10:30
lizmat notes that the behaviour of :delete on arrays is actually not specced 10:31
jaffa4 Is there a continue for for in Perl6?
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jaffa4 I mean for () continue {} 10:31
atroxaper jaffa4: next;
jaffa4 continue is outside the for
moritz jaffa4: iirc there's a phaser for that (inside the for block), NEXT or so 10:32
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moritz or you can also use LEAVE 10:32
lizmat LEAVE would also run with last;
moritz m: for 1..2 { LEAVE say "Done."; next when 1; last }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Done.␤Done.␤»
moritz m: for 1..2 { NEXT say "Done."; next when 1; last }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Done.␤»
moritz m: for 1..2 { NEXT say "Done $_."; next when 1; last } 10:33
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Cannot call method 'Stringy' on a null object␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/EPLNGnMxGN:1␤␤»
jaffa4 I mean If I am correct, continue block is executed if for is not taken?
in Perl5
moritz jaffa4: no
that would be 'else' in python; perl 5 doesn't have it
jaffa4 What is continue then? 10:34
lizmat m: for ^2 { NEXT .say } # feels like a rakudobug 10:35
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Cannot call method 'say' on a null object␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/gV2l9tWyYZ:1␤␤»
lizmat m: for ^2 { NEXT $_.say } # same
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Cannot call method 'say' on a null object␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/2JExRjB36d:1␤␤»
lizmat m: for ^2 { .say } # ok
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«0␤1␤»
lizmat moritz: agree ?
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moritz jaffa4: perldoc -f continue 10:37
lizmat: yes
jaffa4 so it is next 10:39
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jaffa4 FIRST and LAST is useful 10:44
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lizmat moritz: #125488 10:59
hmmm... did we lose the synopsebot? 11:00
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tadzik PerlJam is restaring synbot6 whenever it's gone, from what I noticed :) 11:01
lunch&
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lizmat std: unit native foo; 11:06
camelia std 28329a7: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===␤Undeclared routines:␤ 'foo' used at line 1␤ 'native' used at line 1␤ 'unit' used at line 1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:00 135m␤»
lizmat std: native foo;
camelia std 28329a7: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===␤Undeclared routines:␤ 'foo' used at line 1␤ 'native' used at line 1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:00 135m␤»
lizmat m: unit native foo; # WAT ?
camelia ( no output )
lizmat jnthn seems to have added this with fc60b905 in 2011 11:08
m: unit slang foo; 11:09
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/cuMhmPGskF␤Cannot resolve meta-object for slang␤at /tmp/cuMhmPGskF:1␤------> 3unit slang foo7⏏5;␤ expecting any of:␤ generic role␤»
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lizmat m: unit trusts foo; 11:09
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/dU6N3xTTUX␤Type 'foo' is not declared␤at /tmp/dU6N3xTTUX:1␤------> 3unit trusts foo7⏏5;␤»
lizmat m: unit also foo
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/bguHu4IDJ2␤No valid trait found after also␤at /tmp/bguHu4IDJ2:1␤------> 3unit also7⏏5 foo␤»
lizmat m: unit foo
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===␤Type 'foo' is not declared␤at /tmp/HpUlKif_SK:1␤------> 3unit foo7⏏5<EOL>␤Malformed unit␤at /tmp/HpUlKif_SK:1␤------> 3unit7⏏5 foo␤␤» 11:10
lizmat hmmm....
they all seem to be package_declarator
jaffa4 What can I use instead of stat in PERL6? 11:12
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moritz jaffa4: the appropriate methods on IO::Path objects 11:13
lizmat m: say `ls`
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===␤Argument to "say" seems to be malformed␤at /tmp/2R1JuIDh7p:1␤------> 3say7⏏5 `ls`␤Bogus postfix␤at /tmp/2R1JuIDh7p:1␤------> 3say 7⏏5`ls`␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ p…»
lizmat m: say dir(".")
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«"/home/camelia/star".IO "/home/camelia/.cpanm".IO "/home/camelia/.local".IO "/home/camelia/.npm".IO "/home/camelia/.perl6".IO "/home/camelia/.perlbrew".IO "/home/camelia/.rcc".IO "/home/camelia/.ssh".IO "/home/camelia/Perlito".IO "/home/camelia/bin".IO "/h…»
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moritz doc.perl6.org/type/IO::FileTestable 11:14
lizmat m: given "star".IO { say "exists" if .e }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«exists␤»
lizmat m: given "star".IO { say "file" if .f }
camelia ( no output )
lizmat m: given "star".IO { say "dir" if .d }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«dir␤» 11:15
jaffa4 Is it a built-in?
lizmat is what a built-in ?
moritz yes
lizmat ah, IO::FileTestable, yes 11:16
moritz why doesn't IO::Path do IO::FileTestable?
oh, because it's gone
lizmat yeah, part of my newio work that made it back into nom 11:17
moritz github.com/perl6/doc/issues/97 opened 11:19
jaffa4 I cannot see any method that can get mode of the file
lizmat m: given "star".IO { say "readable" if .r }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«readable␤»
lizmat m: given "star".IO { say .rwx } 11:20
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«True␤»
lizmat m: given "star".IO { say .rx }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Method 'rx' not found for invocant of class 'IO::Path'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/UYAHtVmQBj:1␤␤»
lizmat m: given "star".IO { say .rwx }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«True␤»
nine m: given ".cpanm".IO { say .rwx }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«True␤»
nine m: given ".cpanm".IO { say .file } 11:21
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Method 'file' not found for invocant of class 'IO::Path'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/ZjGnC0nDof:1␤␤»
nine m: given ".cpanm".IO { say .f }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«False␤»
nine m: say dir('.').grep: *.f
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«"/home/camelia/.bash_history".IO "/home/camelia/.bashrc".IO "/home/camelia/.viminfo".IO "/home/camelia/mbox".IO "/home/camelia/test".IO "/home/camelia/.lesshst".IO "/home/camelia/evalbot.log".IO "/home/camelia/tail".IO "/home/camelia/p6eval-token".IO␤»
nine m: given ".bash_history".IO { say .f }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«True␤»
nine m: given ".bash_history".IO { say .rwx }
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«False␤»
nine m: given ".bash_history".IO { say .mode } 11:22
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«Method 'mode' not found for invocant of class 'IO::Path'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/9E46JFi8U1:1␤␤»
jaffa4 so how can I get the mode of a file, anyone else? 11:26
timotimo seems like an oversight that we don't have a method that gives the numeric mode of a file 11:29
lizmat if we're talking about a single rwx, that can be done now 11:31
however, we don't actually have the nqp::tools to get the rest of the mode atm, afaik
timotimo just a single of the rwx? why not all three? 11:32
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lizmat because we can only find out for the current user, afaik 11:38
not for group or world
timotimo ah 11:39
and then there's special things like sticky bits and such
and at some point we want to support extended attributes, too
but perhaps not in core? i don't know
lizmat well, that's all unix/posix centric 11:42
on win it works differently, no?
timotimo i think windows has some "extended attributes" equivalent
lizmat m: (sub { $^a }).signature.perl.say # is this correct or not? 11:48
camelia rakudo-moar a15dac: OUTPUT«:(;; $a)␤»
lizmat in other words, do curried parameters matter in MMD or not? I would guess they do?
dalek kudo/nom: 1a743f9 | lizmat++ | src/Perl6/Actions.nqp:
Make auto-generated sigs correct, fixes #125486
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dalek ast: d07b99e | lizmat++ | S06-signature/unspecified.t:
Unfudge now passing tests again
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dalek ast: 8a6d829 | lizmat++ | S02-names-vars/signature.t:
Remove Siglist fossil
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jaffa4 I can do this $input_file_permissions |= 0o0100 if ($input_file.IO.x); 12:06
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dalek kudo/nom: f901553 | lizmat++ | src/core/Signature.pm:
Introduce Signature eqv Signature
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ast: 3a39349 | lizmat++ | S02-names-vars/signature.t:
Some more siglist fossil removal
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ast: 0f1545a | lizmat++ | S02-names-vars/signature.t:
Unfudge now passing Signature eqv Signature tests
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notch hi all! sorry to bother you with this, but anyway - are there going to be a fully functional Rakudo 1.0 release this year? 12:35
dalek ast: 72b85c3 | lizmat++ | S02-names-vars/signature.t:
Add request for sanity check
lizmat notch: yes 12:36
barring unforeseen circumstances involving buses and the like 12:37
notch <lizmat> thanks a lot. 99% probability of success? or less? 12:38
lizmat I would say 99%, yes
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jnthn afternoon, #perl6 12:40
notch lizmat: thanks again. just wanted to ask those who know - there is not much one can find in blogs. 12:41
jnthn lizmat: Heh, I've never seen anyone write "unit native foo" :P
Well, or the old semi-colon form
It's the declarator for using the NativeHOW meta-object
I'd guess NativeCall may use it to declare C-sized native types too
lizmat jnthn: not seeing it used in NativeCall.pm ... 12:44
I was assuming it was some kind of fossil that could be removed 12:45
if it can't, then I won't remove it :-)
jnthn Oh, I do
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jnthn lizmat: Both CORE.setting *and* NativeCall use it 12:46
It's very much not fossil :) 12:47
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lizmat argh, yes, I see it now :-) 12:55
jnthn grepping for "native" in NativeCall is kinda gonna be easy to miss :)
lizmat m: unit knowhow foo;
camelia ( no output )
lizmat m: unit slang foo;
camelia rakudo-moar f90155: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/1cjItHTtLW␤Cannot resolve meta-object for slang␤at /tmp/1cjItHTtLW:1␤------> 3unit slang foo7⏏5;␤ expecting any of:␤ generic role␤»
jnthn std: unit knowhow foo; 12:56
camelia std 28329a7: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'unit' used at line 1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:00 135m␤»
jnthn hm
lizmat unit is not in std (yet)
jnthn ah, right
and yeah, it knew the knowhow declarator
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dalek kudo-star-daily: 305cdf9 | coke++ | log/ (2 files):
today (automated commit)
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hoelzro o/ #perl6 13:25
yoleaux 07:41Z <mj41> hoelzro: hi, please review/merge github.com/perl6/docker/pull/2 , thx
07:51Z <mj41> hoelzro: err, the right one is here github.com/perl6/perl6-docker/pull/1
hoelzro mj41, moritz: I don't remember why exactly, but perl6/docker is the correct one 13:26
so that PR to perl6-docker should go through 13:27
moritz then why not deleate perl6-docker? 13:30
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jaffa4 How can I read a number of bytes in Perl6 now? 13:31
moritz yes.
jaffa4 I mean where is the read function?
moritz in IO::Handle, iirc
m: say $*IN.read(5)
camelia rakudo-moar f90155: OUTPUT«Buf[uint8]:0x<43 c3 a9 61 64>␤»
moritz s/function/method/
jaffa4: doc.perl6.org/routine/read
jaffa4: may I generally warmly suggest doc.perl6.org/? 13:32
hoelzro moritz: I don't have a problem with that; no one should be referring to it
isn't there a way to set up a redirect when deleting a project?
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moritz doesn't see one 13:33
gone. 13:34
I've done a git clone --mirror of the repo prior to deleting; it's on hack.p6c.org in ~moritz/backup/perl6-docker.git
jaffa4 moritz: seek is not documented 13:36
hoelzro moritz: cool, thanks! I think that perl6/docker has all of its contents anyway 13:37
dalek c: 18d2661 | (Steve Mynott)++ | / (3 files):
Change $*PROGRAM_NAME to $*PROGRAM-NAME
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c: 53c6385 | (Steve Mynott)++ | / (2 files):
Change $*EXECUTABLE_NAME to $*EXECUTABLE-NAME
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hoelzro does anyone have thoughts on adding a new :createonly option to open()? I think it would be useful and consistent with copy/rename, but maybe it belongs in at a lower-level like something similar to sysopen 13:47
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jaffa4 WHat is :w? 13:50
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PerlJam hoelzro: you've asked that for at least 2 days now :) What does :createonly (or :create-only) mean in conjunction with the other open flags? 13:56
hoelzro PerlJam: I have, I just haven't gotten a response and thought I'd try one last time. =) :createonly would be equivalent to O_EXCL in open() 13:57
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hoelzro it only makes sense with :w, and it's a guarantee from the OS that my process is the one that created the file, no other 13:57
dalek pan style="color: #395be5">perl6-examples: 4112cad | (Steve Mynott)++ | categories/ (25 files):
Change $*PROGRAM_NAME to $*PROGRAM-NAME
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PerlJam hoelzro: I dunno. I'm not opposed to the feature in open(), but the name just doesn't seem quite right. 14:02
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cygx see also github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/430 14:03
yoleaux 13 Jun 2015 13:38Z <FROGGS> cygx: I was able to compile the setting without disabling spesh.... can you tell what windows/perl/gcc versions you have?
13 Jun 2015 15:22Z <FROGGS> cygx: now it works in the windows sdk shell too
PerlJam hoelzro: I mean, O_EXCL is named that because the exclusivity is the important bit. It's O_CREAT that does the file creation part. Maybe call it :create-exclusive or something. 14:04
hoelzro: and that is the extent of my thoughts on the subject. You'll have to mine other people's brains for more insight. :) 14:05
hoelzro: oh ... if it's called :create-anything, you shouldn't have to also pass :w, it should do that for you. 14:07
(IMHO)
hoelzro PerlJam: all of that makes sense to me! I only picked :createonly because of consistency with rename/copy 14:08
ugexe i could have swore skids had a PR with a bunch of file related options, including create-only related items but i cant find it now
cygx that was me, and I mentioned it 5 minutes ago ;)
ugexe guess that explains why my grep for skids failed me heh 14:10
PerlJam cygx++ yeah, that looks nice 14:12
jnthn I think we merged the MoarVM part of the cygx++ patch
ferry & 14:13
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cygx I need to leave as well, but feel free to leave a comment on the PR if you feel there's something off about it 14:20
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Ven hoelzro: thanks for that video :) 14:24
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hoelzro happy to be of service =) 14:31
commute &
timotimo .o( happy to beef service ) 14:34
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