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tony-o timotimo: array is .01/s faster for json::faster 01:01
err, 2.4 01:02
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tony-o timotimo: changing Str to str and Int to int made it 5 seconds faster though 01:05
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flussence
.oO( I get the semantic difference between Int and int, but what's special about the str type? No NFG? )
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dalek ast/glr: c7bf5f5 | skids++ | S04-statement (4 files):
GLRify and defatalize tests. Make new test for one removed GLRism.
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rangerprice i drink water 03:18
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dalek ast/glr: b59c475 | skids++ | S04-statements/gather.t:
GLRify tests using an assortment of valid GLR idioms
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ChoHag What does 'Too many positionals passed' to a token in a grammar mean? 05:37
dalek kudo/nom: df589cd | (David Warring)++ | lib/Test.pm:
new does-ok test assertion
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kudo/nom: deb7b86 | lizmat++ | lib/Test.pm:
Merge pull request #513 from dwarring/does-ok

add does-ok test assertion
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dalek kudo-star-daily: b424ff6 | coke++ | log/ (8 files):
today (automated commit)
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lizmat good *, #perl6! 06:34
[Coke] lizmat: hello from ... somewhere. 06:35
lizmat
.oO( not just anywhere :-)
lizmat hasn't backlogged for a few days 06:37
tadzik ChoHag: can you show us the code?
that doesn't sound right
moritz \o 06:38
tadzik hello hello
colomon o/ 06:42
Swiss Perl Workshop tomorrow!
tadzik it started today as far as I'm concerned :)
[Coke] I'll be in olten in about 20m. 06:43
tadzik one of the few times a year when I consider waking up at 7 to be worth it :)
[Coke] It's still tuesday, right?
colomon has to $work in St. Gallen for the rest of the day.
tadzik it's now wednesday
I think 06:44
colomon tadzik: 8 hour flights east mess up your days quite nicely.
;0
;)
colomon is still suffering jet lag several days into his trip.... 06:45
lizmat colomon: expect to be in Olten in about 12 hours 06:46
and yes, it's Wednesday, I looked it up
(well, it isn't technically for the folks on the US westcoast just yet) 06:47
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tadzik zsh: Input/output error: ping 06:47
goodbye cruel world
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laben good $*LOCALTIME.part-of-the-day() perl6'ers 06:49
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lizmat laben o/ 06:55
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dalek kudo/glr: 74e7147 | skids++ | src/core/Parameter.pm:
Make Parameter.perl handle **@ correctly

It seems that the flag used for slurpy blocks has been reused in NQP for **@ slurpies.		 07:36
kudo/glr: 2a52091 | FROGGS++ | src/core/Parameter.pm:
Merge pull request #514 from skids/glr3

Make Parameter.perl handle **@ correctly
colomon just realized the reason my $work build wasn’t working was I was running on moar-glr instead of moar-nom 07:37
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timotimo o/ 07:54
Ven \o
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timotimo oh wow 08:22
we'll be expecting 30 degC on pretty much every day of the SPW 08:23
i hope the venue has AC :)
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nine I'll be spending the next 7 hours on a train to Olten. I really hope that I will spend some of those on my talk and not all on GLR :) 08:34
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timotimo www.biostars.org/p/155717/ - a voice from the perl6 community would probably be helpful here 08:38
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lizmat packing and commute to Olten& 09:00
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nine timotimo: I added a comment 09:03
timotimo cool 09:04
i bet you're answering about how great our p5/p6 interop already is? :)
nine of course I a m :) 09:05
That's the whole reason I've been working for a year on this ;)
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[Coke] very pleasant in olten. though I appear to be the only one in shorts. 09:12
Ven does anyone know if SPW will be livestreamed? 09:13
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[Coke] Dunno. I'l ask around when I find any other perlers. (2pm local time, probably) 09:20
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colomon [Coke]: I was paying attention while I walked around in St. Gallen yesterday. I walked for an hour, I believe I saw two people in shorts. 09:33
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colomon also brought shorts. :) 09:34
nine shorts FTW!
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dalek kudo/glr: 465b18b | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/core/Seq.pm:
Fix "Seq has already been iterated" sinking a spent Seq

The sink-all is only there to actually run lazily executed code when the results are sunk. If the Seq has already been iterated we don't have to bother.		 09:41
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dalek ast/glr: f35a02d | (Stefan Seifert)++ | integration/99problems-61-to-70.t:
GLRify 99problems-61-to-70.t
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nine Fixes powered by Paradise Lost :)
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dalek ast/glr: 3d5ee1f | (Stefan Seifert)++ | S16-io/bare-say.t:
GLRify S16-io/bare-say.t

Z returns (('a', '1'), ('b', '2'), ('c', '3')). Need to explicitly flatten that before passing to the hash constructor.		 09:52
ast/glr: be28de7 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | S32-array/ (2 files):
.perl no longer has to add the ugly <> for arrays :)
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nine Yes, thse two ^^^ were LHF, but I'm pretty much picking failures at random, so I still have a good conscience :) 10:01
Ulti timotimo I replied with a biggish post to that BioStars thing 10:06
timotimo cool
nine m: my %h = a => 1, b => 2; say %h<a>:delete; say %h.perl; 10:09
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«1␤{:b(2)}<>␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 465b18: OUTPUT«1␤{:b(2)}␤»
nine m: my %h = a => 1, b => 2; say %h<*>:delete; say %h.perl;
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«(Any)␤{:a(1), :b(2)}<>␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 465b18: OUTPUT«(Any)␤{:a(1), :b(2)}␤»
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|Tux| still no strict on one-liners :( 10:21
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|Tux| niner, the glr branch of panda doesn't build on glr 10:35
# Failed test 'Correct data structure for «[{ "a" : 3, "b" : 4 }]»'
# at t/02-structure.t line 65
# expected: $[:a(3), :b(4)]
# got: $[${:a(3), :b(4)}]
nine 10:36
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laben |Tux|: let me check 10:45
|Tux|: did you update JSON::Tiny? i think it's that 10:47
|Tux| I updatez everyzing :) 10:48
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|Tux| rakudowbrew build glr 10:48
rakudowbrew build moar glr
rakodobrew switch glr
cd panda 10:49
git pull --all
git co glr
perl6 bootstrap.pl
FROGGS[mobile] is sitting at the SXF and is waiting for his delayed flight
|Tux| that will give you extra time to hack^Wfix things 10:50
|Tux| is looking forward seeing most of you in Granada
FROGGS[mobile] <|Tux|>: if I would turn my laptop on...
laben |Tux|: is there a way to update the git submodules? it seems it's stuck pulling an old commit of JSON::Tiny
|Tux| maybe, lemme check 10:51
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hoelzro o/ from Switzerland 10:51
laben |Tux|: git submodule foreach git pull origin master
FROGGS[mobile] hoelzro: will see you for dinner!
hoelzro \o/ 10:52
FROGGS[mobile] I'll probably arrive at 6pm
|Tux| that does not do anything in panda's glr branch
FROGGS[mobile] and we can also meet jnthn's wife 10:53
laben sorry, that cmd doesnt seem enough, you need to cd directly inside ext/JSON__Tiny and pull
|Tux| there is no git in JSON__Tiny
|Tux| checked that
FROGGS[mobile] these are not submodules anymore afaik 10:54
hoelzro ah, yes
FROGGS[mobile]: are you flying or taking a train?
laben were they commited entirely? then you need to update the copy manually
FROGGS[mobile] hoelzro: both, in that order 10:55
hoelzro heh, good point =)
FROGGS[mobile] flying to Basel and then doing a ~1 hour train ride 10:56
|Tux| laben, replacing JSON__Tiny with git checkout works!
laben |Tux|: good, it's good to see the work i did on panda is fine on other machines :) 10:57
|Tux| now installs the other required modules
Inline::Perl5 OK
Copying blib/lib/Inline/Perl5.pm6 to /pro/3gl/CPAN/rakudobrew/moar-nom/install/share/perl6/site/lib/Inline/Perl5.pm6 10:58
that does not look ok. that should be moar-glr 10:59
|Tux| investigates
FROGGS[mobile] hoelzro: you bought a broadband card? 11:00
hoelzro FROGGS[mobile]: I did not, why do you ask?
FROGGS[mobile] because you are online
hoelzro oh, I'm on the hotel WiFi 11:01
FROGGS[mobile] ahh, I see 11:02
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pflanze How could I use a method (dereferenced from an object) as a function? I.e. curried by the object. E.g. I've got some code that allows to $x.foo($y), now I want to hold off passing $y and instead get a function that can take $y, 11:05
i.e. &f= $x.foo; &f($y) 11:06
I realize I really have to install Perl6 now.
(I'm asking because I've got a function in Perl5 that does this and I'm trying to find a name for it. 11:08
Currently: my $f= the_object_method $x, "foo" )
hoelzro I wonder if you can use .can + .assuming
FROGGS[mobile] pflanze: there is a find_method meta method
pflanze FROGGS[mobile], does it do the Perl5 UNIVERSAL::can thing? Since what I'm asking is also retaining (currying on) the object, not just returning a code pointer to the method. 11:09
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FROGGS[mobile] m: my &foo = Str.^flip; say foo("bar") 11:09
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«Method 'flip' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/EK2PC42H0G:1␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 465b18: OUTPUT«Method 'flip' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/KIZzFqcIF4:1␤␤»
FROGGS[mobile] err
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pflanze Looks like it's the "can" thing. 11:10
hoelzro m: my $s = 'foo bar'; my $m = $s.^find_method('split'); $m.assuming($s); say $m(' ')
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«Cannot call split(Str: ); none of these signatures match:␤ (Cool $: Regex $pat, $limit = { ... }, :$all, *%_)␤ (Cool $: Cool $pat, $limit = { ... }, :$all, *%_)␤ (Str:D $: Regex $pat, $limit = { ... }, :$all, *%_)␤ (Str:D $: Cool $delim…»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 465b18: OUTPUT«Cannot call split(Str: ); none of these signatures match:␤ (Cool $: Regex $pat, $limit = { ... }, :$all, *%_)␤ (Cool $: Cool $pat, $limit = { ... }, :$all, *%_)␤ (Str:D $: Regex $pat, $limit = { ... }, :$all, *%_)␤ (Str:D $: Cool $delim…»
FROGGS[mobile] pflanze: I can help you with that this evening... it is too hard on the phone
hoelzro m: my $s = 'foo bar'; my $m = $s.^find_method('split'); $m .= assuming($s); say $m(' ')
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«foo bar␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 465b18: OUTPUT«foo bar␤»
hoelzro ah, that should do 11:11
pflanze: ^
|Tux| laden, nine, does this help you getting to the next step? gist.github.com/Tux/273f894ef62807a6a8c1
FROGGS[mobile] pflanze: but you might want to search the docs for find_method and assuming
pflanze Aha, assuming is currying it seems.
FROGGS[mobile] hoelzro++
pflanze Still leaves the actual search for a name for the combination of the two features open. 11:12
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pflanze I'm kind of looking for a split.assuming($s, ' ') 11:13
timotimo [Tux], laben: there's a script in panda that does the subtree update for you 11:14
pflanze (Perhaps that would even work? [Thinking about where to install Perl6])
|Tux| timotimo, I can now build (and install) panda in GLR, but it won't install all my required modules
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|Tux| because of File::Temp fail 11:15
laben |Tux|: unfortunately, it is known that File::Temp does not work on GLR for now. i may check it out, but i need to do work first
timotimo we're making progress, though. which is good.
|Tux| was just trying. I am SO curious if Text::CSV will be faster 11:16
progress++
timotimo i'm very curious, too 11:17
and even if not, the GLR changes are mostly just "make it work" so far
there's lots of possibilities to "make it fast" still on the plan
|Tux| so maybe you can forgice me trying even it has not yet been announced
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timotimo of course i forgive you 11:17
|Tux| forgive
timotimo i'm glad you're interested in the bleeding edge and pointing out what's the closest blocker to your module
even if it's already known; it can still help motivate people :) 11:18
|Tux| like to have /some/ results before my talk at YAPC
pmurias did the format of the state description passed to nfafromstatelist change?
timotimo how long is it until yapc?
|Tux| next wednesday
pmurias timotimo: yapc::eu?
timotimo oh, that soon!
|Tux| I'll be in Ganada this monday 11:19
DrForr Not long enough :/ :)
timotimo pmurias: i remember timtoady did some work on the nfa implementation a few months ago
i think it was about propagating some more info between different in-lined regexes or something
i'm not sure if it changed anything about the format
but there's some debug code in there that can either be uncommented or triggered via an environment variable, if i'm not mistaken
pmurias timotimo: yes, I'm trying it right now 11:21
laben |Tux|: ooc, how did you fix panda installing in the wrong dir?
|Tux| putting the real path in front of my $PATH :P 11:22
that is not a vital problem at the moment imho
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dalek kudo/glr: 5dae3e3 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/core/hash_slice.pm:
Allow for indexing hashes by Iterables instead of just Positionals

Fixes %h{%h.keys} and %h{%h.keys.grep(* gt 'h')} and friends.		 11:24
kudo/glr: c4a122b | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/core/Exception.pm:
Remove obsolete X::Syntax::ArgFlattener

Since commit 0b1722b40ec464a627e345ede103e3b7e5f5efce | is now a generic flattener instead of only an argument flattener. So no one is gonna throw an X::Syntax::ArgFlattener exception anymore.		 11:25
ast/glr: a554c9f | (Stefan Seifert)++ | S32-exceptions/misc.t:
Remove tests for now obsolete X::Syntax::ArgFlattener

  | is now a generic flattener instead of only an argument flattener.
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pmurias TimToady++ # NFA debugging flag 11:31
timotimo now all we need is a nfa -> graphviz tool :P 11:35
JimmyZ nine: how about this one github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/glr/...ps.pm#L354 :P 11:44
well, it is two 11:45
nine JimmyZ: you mean changing it to Iterable? Will probably work out just fine. But I'd rather fix the remaining spec test failures first so we can spot regressions more easily. 11:47
laben |Tux|: i think this should be enough to make File::Temp work gist.github.com/919dd7d05cb8962eac87 11:48
i will make a proper PR later today 11:49
nine File::Temp seems to work fine here?
laben nine: did you fix it yourself? here and on |Tux| machine it did not work 11:50
JimmyZ nine: there is a comment, but since Parcel is gone ...
nine laben: I just ran the update-subtree.pl script in panda/glr and did perl6 bootstrap.pl
laben: I nuked my rakudo/install/share/perl6/site dir first. Maybe there was some leftover non-working stuff there? 11:51
laben nine: i always rm site dir before bootstrapping, else it becomes a hello of reinstalling revdeps 11:52
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laben s/hello/hell/ darn pacifist pc 11:52
nine m: ("ABC".ords xx 2).perl.say; ("ABC".ords xx 2).Str.say; 11:53
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«()␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«((65, 66, 67).Seq, (65, 66, 67).Seq).Seq␤This Seq has already been iterated, and its values consumed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/q1xFUjxuAO:1␤␤»
nine I don't get it. Why does .perl on the Seq work while .Str fails? 11:54
timotimo could be that .perl copies the seq before iterating over it? 11:56
nine ==> Successfully installed CSV::Parser
|Tux| CSV::Parser != Text::CSV 11:57
nine |Tux|: Method 'iterator' must be implemented by Iterable because it is required by a role at lib/Text/CSV.pm:288 11:59
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tadzik so, who's in Olten already? 12:00
hoelzro raises a hand
I was just about to go stop by the venue and say hi
|Tux| nine, that clas *does* have a method iterator! 12:01
class CSV::Row is Iterable does Positional {
method iterator { [ @.fields ].iterator; }
or is it missing in glr's Iteratable
tadzik hoelzro: I just arrived at the hotel, any plans for lunch?
|Tux| or is it missing in glr's Iterable
hoelzro tadzik: not yet, wanna stop by the venue and then grab something? 12:02
nine timotimo: Seq.perl does self.map({.perl}).join(', ') while it's .Str does self.list.join
tadzik hoelzro: sure
nine |Tux|: Iterable is now an abstract role
tadzik hoelzro: is there already action at the venue?
nine |Tux|: changing method iterator to method iterator() seems to help 12:04
laben |Tux|: were you able to install File::Temp with that patch?
hoelzro tadzik: apparently maettu and others are there?
tadzik: wanna meet down in the lobby?
tadzik oh, it's very close
hoelzro: yeah, be there in a minute
hoelzro cool 12:05
lunch &
nine |Tux|: and change is Iterable to does Iterable
|Tux| Iterable is not composable, so CSV::Row cannot compose it 12:06
in nom
nine I suggest you create a glr branch for that
|Tux| what is the ATA of glr? 12:07
nine We can't say the ATA until it has arrived ;) ETA is probably a week 12:08
Of course a Perl 6 hackathon might speed that up ;)
|Tux| too curious not to try
branch created
FROGGS[mobile] dang, fixing subst is not a LHF 12:09
nine |Tux|: oh my, seems like I could have run the benchmark more than a week ago. All I was missing was the hello.csv 12:11
|Tux| :)
nine I just thought there's still too much broken, so I didn't look to closely at the messages
|Tux| I still have no File::Temp 12:12
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nine timotimo: correction, List.perl does that. Seq just delegates to .list for both methods. 12:14
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timotimo sometimes i wish it were easier to figure out what something calls 12:15
|Tux| ==> Testing File::Temp
# Failed test 'file /tmp/0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y ZA B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9__A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y ZA B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9_ still exists'
# at t/tempfile.t line 12
# Looks like you failed 1 test of 14
laben |Tux|: for File::Temp, please try this: (1) git clone File::Temp (2) apply this patch gist.github.com/919dd7d05cb8962eac87 (3) panda-build && panda-test && panda-install (4) profit 12:16
|Tux| running panda install . on git checkout
laben if it doesn't work, please gist the error
|Tux| ==> Successfully installed File::Temp 12:17
nine |Tux|: how long does csv typically take? 12:19
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|Tux| nine, one sec, timer running 12:19
$ make time - typical on my box for is test ± 43, test-t ± 42 with nom 12:20
with a hello.csv of 10000 lines 12:21
test 50000 44.965 44.885
test-t 50000 43.975 43.895
with glr
:(
nine So pretty much no difference?
|Tux| correct
FROGGS[mobile] there was no optimization work yet
nine Took some 441 seconds here for a million lines
|Tux| I do not have the patience for that long run
nine for lines() { } seems to be a bit faster than for lines() :eager { } now btw. 12:22
Which I see as a very good sign
|Tux| panda Inline::Perl5 still fails on GLR 12:23
laden, I think it still used the wrong panda with that inlall path problem
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nine |Tux|: you need to install Inline::Perl5's glr branch 12:25
|Tux| ok 12:26
laben |Tux|: when you use panda-build, panda-test and panda-install, you will need to apply the same fix that you apply to "normal" panda 12:32
|Tux| doing java for $work now with a higher prio than fun with perl6 :( 12:33
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nine |Tux|: after hacking for three hours on a shaky train my stomach starts taking out the fun, too. :( 12:35
jdv79 [Coke]: i just arrived but may take a nap.
laben |Tux|: if you prefer "panda install ." you can use it, the important thing to do was a local patched checkout 12:37
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maettu already spotted the first Perl 6 hackers in Olten :-) 12:49
jdv79 where?
maettu just outside the venue 12:50
..of the Perl 6 hackathon starting tomorrow
jdv79 and this dinner thing tonight is at this venue place?
nine What does thunk/thunked mean in infix:<xx>(Mu \x, Int() $n, :$thunked!)? The dictionary meaning makes no sense in this context. 12:51
maettu jdv79: yes dinner thing at the venue
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moritz nine: it means that the LHS has been stored as a piece of code, not its value 12:51
nine: so that rand xx 5 gives you five different random numbers
nine moritz: why do we do that? 12:52
oh
maettu is just wondering how many are coming to the dinner..
moritz and [1, 2, 3] xx 3 doesn't share the same array ref thrice
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moritz and a "thunk" is an implicitly created code object without its own scope 12:52
maettu ..to have enough food&drinks
nine So that's the reason why ('ABC'.map(*.ord) xx 2).perl does not die horribly.
moritz default values are typically also stored as thunks, for example has $.x = self.foo * 2 12:53
nine The resulting list does contain two distinct Seq objects.
moritz the RHS
nine: aye
nine Leaving only the mystery of why 'ABC'.map(*.ord).Str works as expected while ('ABC'.map(*.ord) xx 2).Str somehow tries to iterate over the same Seq twice 12:54
moritz m: say ('ABC'.map(*.ord) xx 2).join 12:55
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«This Seq has already been iterated, and its values consumed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/qg9kZoVBtf:1␤␤»
moritz m: say ('ABC'.map(*.ord) xx 1).join
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«This Seq has already been iterated, and its values consumed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/OnNemAkq81:1␤␤»
moritz nine: golf'ed a bit further :-)
m: say ('ABC'.map(*.ord), ).join 12:56
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«65␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«65␤»
nine m: say ('ABC'.ords xx 1).join
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«This Seq has already been iterated, and its values consumed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/0mUwr_v6_x:1␤␤»
moritz m: say (Seq.new('ABC'.map(*.ord), ).join
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/XDlwebn2Sz␤Unable to parse expression in parenthesized expression; couldn't find final ')' ␤at /tmp/XDlwebn2Sz:1␤------> 3say (Seq.new('ABC'.map(*.ord), ).join7⏏5<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ …»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/PFrDGZhJrP␤Unable to parse expression in parenthesized expression; couldn't find final ')' ␤at /tmp/PFrDGZhJrP:1␤------> 3say (Seq.new('ABC'.map(*.ord), ).join7⏏5<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ …»
nine m: say 'ABC'.ords.join
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«656667␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«656667␤»
moritz m: say (Seq.new('ABC'.map(*.ord), )).join
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/5lCGhChGMo␤Undeclared name:␤ Seq used at line 1. Did you mean 'Set'?␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«Type check failed in binding $iter; expected 'Iterator' but got 'Seq'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/JfoHr8Qnxe:1␤␤»
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moritz m: say <a b c>.sort.join 12:59
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«abc␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«abc␤»
moritz m: say (<a b c>.sort xx 1).join
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«This Seq has already been iterated, and its values consumed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/FAxh1KaeP1:1␤␤»
moritz m: say (<a b c>.sort xx 1).^name
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«List␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«Seq␤»
moritz .join on a Seq of Seqs, right?
yoleaux moritz: Sorry, this command is admin-only.
moritz m: say (<a b c> xx 1).join 13:00
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
moritz m: .say for (<a b c>.Seq xx 1)
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«Method 'Seq' not found for invocant of class 'Parcel'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/aJU9xJ9twq:1␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
moritz m: .say for (<a b c>.sort xx 1)
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
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moritz takes a shot at squish 13:08
timotimo patrick.georgi-clan.de/2014/03/07/r...-gnu-make/ %) 13:11
dalek ast/glr: acb9760 | moritz++ | S32-list/squish.t:
GLR-ify squish.t
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dalek kudo/glr: 0bfeaff | moritz++ | src/core/Any-iterable-methods.pm:
.squish on a lazy iterable returns something lazy
 13:14
nine moritz: yes, .join on a Seq of Seq somehow ends up iterating a Seq twice
moritz m: (<a b c>.sort xx 1).list.join('') 13:15
camelia ( no output )
GLRelia rakudo-moar c4a122: OUTPUT«This Seq has already been iterated, and its values consumed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/c2NeT7uNEV:1␤␤»
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moritz m: say <a b c>.sort.Str 13:17
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«a b c␤»
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|Tux| In GLR I get "Use of uninitialized value @args of type Str in string context in block at ..." on this code line: «defined $f and $cf.add($f.Str);» 13:18
|Tux| does not understand 13:19
moritz |Tux|: might be a warning from within the setting
|Tux| FWIW $cf is the result of a Class.new on the line before and it is not null
method add (Str $chunk) { 13:20
$!text ~= $chunk;
self;
}
not really rocket science
adding «defined $!text or $!text = "";» as first line there does not change the behavior 13:22
nine m: say [1, 2].map({"ABC".ords}).Str; 13:24
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«65 66 67 65 66 67␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«This Seq has already been iterated, and its values consumed␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/uNbOydKePv:1␤␤»
laben |Tux|: what code is that? can you link it?
timotimo booked a roaming data package for .ch 13:26
100 mb for 5 eruos :\
Ven timotimo: uh, that's even worse than me... 13:29
colomon is just happy his cell phone gets voice in .ch — pretty sure his former phone did not last time he was here.
timotimo oh no, ven, you're the worst <3 13:30
moritz heh, when my wife wanted data roaming in Norway, she had to buy an add-on contract which runs until the end of her main contract 13:31
|Tux| laben, modules.perl6.org Text::CSV
colomon has never had affordable data roaming in a foreign country, even with the “reasonable” package for Canada. 13:33
Ven timotimo: ha! I forgot about that one ;-) 13:34
nine moritz: .join seems to be called even before it get's to the .Str
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moritz colomon: when staying for more than just a few days, it often pays off to buy a local SIM card 13:34
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laben |Tux|: is it during the tests? sorry to ask like this but i'm a bit swamped with work 13:47
timotimo soon i'll be picked up by a car full of lovely perlers :)
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maettu timotimo: yey! 13:49
nine Ok, closing in on the border to Switzerland. Will probably be out of contact soon. 13:50
|Tux| laben, yes: t/21_combine 13:51
laben, CLI fail: p6 -MText::CSV -e'my@args=(1, "foo", "a b", Str, 3, "");Text::CSV.new(:quote-empty).combine(\(@args));' 13:55
Capture related?
skids m: my &a = Str.^find_method("split"); &a.signature.say; my &b = &a.assuming("OHAI"); b("H").say; my &c = &a.assuming(*,"/"); c("f/h").say # pflanze
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«(Cool $: |)␤O AI␤f h␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«(Cool $: |)␤O AI␤f h␤»
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|Tux| for flat @f -> $f { 13:57
=> PASS 21
I think I need to scatter a few flat's 13:58
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masak hello #perl6 from .ch 14:02
tadzik masak! \o/
hoelzro o/ masak 14:04
skids timotimo: (backlogging) www.abrij.org/~bri/perl6_big_nfa.svg is a biomesh of the big perl6 NFA. A graphvis would be pretty darn huge. 14:07
*biofabric 14:08
masak I confess to not knowing what a 'biofabric' is. where can I find out?
skids biofabric.org 14:09
masak that page doesn't resolve for me :/ 14:10
oh, www.biofabric.org/
maettu wonders: is there live-tracking on Perl 6 hackers travelling to .ch? ;-) 14:11
masak oh, that's clever
skids Though I didn't fully implement the sorting algorithm, and the code I used to make that was pretty ugly.
masak maettu: hi! I'm in your country!
discovery #1: I am going to have to buy a converter. 14:13
these wall sockets look like they could fit a Europlug, but they don't
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jdv79 my hotel let me borrow one 14:13
so i have a us plug into a euro one into this swiss thing 14:14
its kinda precarious but it works
masak I guess I should start by asking reception.
at the very least, they'll know where to buy one.
[Coke] wakes up. Whoops.
masak [Coke]! \o/ 14:15
tadzik my phone charger with euro plug worked
masak I'm re-reading pmthium.com/2014/10/apw2014/ -- it's interesting from a historical perspective how Perl 6 has been slowly trekking between optima re things like flattening.
tadzik: verifying. yes. 14:16
so it's only the shape of the plug that's off.
tadzik because it's small :)
[Coke] oh, hey, apparently my company's international data plan isn't -that- international. whoops. 14:17
masak [Coke]: "oh, you meant *outside* the States. ...no." :P
masak .oO( "Switzerland? that's in Africa, right?" ) 14:18
maettu masak: welcome to my country! :-) 14:19
tadzik nine: laben ping 14:20
masak is a laben ping like an ordinary ping, but you're striking laben against a metal bell? 14:21
[Coke] thanks at&t for at least telling him how many hundreds of dollars he'd racked up within a few hours. :) 14:22
laben just got through a big chunk of work at $daily-job
masak m: my @a = 1, 2, 3; my @b = 4, 5; for @a, @b { .say } 14:23
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤4 5␤»
laben what is it?
[Coke] anyone at the venue?
masak "`for @a,@b { ... }` flattens `@a,@b`" according to pmthium.com/2014/10/apw2014/ -- guess that changed since?
laben |Tux|: i'm a bit free now, how did you fix Text::CSV to build?
masak [Coke]: I'm in the hotel, does that count?
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|Tux| I only fixed 21 by changing for @f -> $f to for flat @f -> $f 14:26
but e.g. t/50 is baffling me 14:27
laben |Tux|: i mean the "method iterator must be implemented", what did you do?
|Tux| is => does
twice
ETOOMANYOPENWINDOWS 14:28
maettu [Coke] /me @venue (kitchen) 14:30
laben |Tux|: you mean, CSV::Row and CSV::Diag, right? with those fixed it builds
hoelzro [Coke]: tadzik and I are also here 14:32
masak oh, people are hanging out at the venue already?
laben |Tux|: oh my, a ton of test failing :/
tadzik github.com/tadzik/Bailador/issues/28 -- interesting point re the ecocystem
masak: yep
come join the fun
while there's still water >:) 14:33
masak ok, coming &
timotimo i car!
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tadzik :o 14:35
|Tux| laben, I added flat in «multi method string (CSV::Field:D @fld) returns Str {» to fix 21 14:38
have a sec, I'll push 14:39
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timotimo the big one? yikes 14:41
|Tux| flat in «multi method combine (@f) returns Bool { » fixed 21
now pushed
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[Coke] masak - you still here? I can meet in the lobby in 5m or so. 14:42
|Tux| perl6 -I. -Ilib t/21_combine.t => PASS
laben |Tux|: you did not push the is->does change 14:43
|Tux| checkout the glr branch
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moritz down to 95 test file failures 14:55
muraiki when I have two greps on a single supply that each have a .act which simply does say, if only one of the greps matches I get the output of that matching grep twice 14:58
each additional grep I add results in an additional line of the same output
am I doing something wrong? sample code: gist.github.com/muraiki/f0b2b0c2a9e2aa370970
moritz muraiki: looks like a rakudobug to me 14:59
muraiki: would be nice if you could try if it also happens with a normal supply (not from IO::Notifications)
muraiki moritz: I'll get it a try 15:00
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moritz m: say Empty.defined 15:01
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«False␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«True␤»
ChoHag ... 15:02
muraiki moritz: couldn't reproduce it with a normal supply 15:04
dha Eep. Is defined changing with the GLR? 15:05
masak rezzes at venue
moritz dha: no, Empty is just not a type anymore 15:06
masak m: say Empty
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«␤»
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«Empty␤»
muraiki also, if I click the "List of all new and open tickets" at rakudo.org/tickets/ I get a page that says "Possible cross-site request forgery..."
dha oh. ok. 15:07
masak moritz: it's not a type, but it's defined as a stopgap?
tony-o timotimo: how do you want to merge the two json::fast[er]? should i submit a PR ?
moritz masak: yes
dalek ast/glr: 44d375f | moritz++ | S02-types/undefined-types.t:
untest that Empty should be undefined

S07-glr-draft.pod calls it "temporary" anyway		 15:08
timotimo that would be nice 15:09
tony-o okay, i'm going to gut `fast` of all the to-json stuff 15:10
i'll submit it later when i'm not doing paying work :-p
dha Empty and stopgap do not seem to be documented, fwiw. 15:11
dalek ast/glr: 43b86f4 | moritz++ | S03-operators/context.t:
Remove outdated test
dha As I'm not sure what a "stopgap" is in this context, I'm not sure how important that is.
timotimo the join not being faster than string concatenation is a good sign that our ropes are doing their job right
tony-o timotimo: the join was slightly faster than using Str concats 15:12
the join was much slower than doing `str` concats, though
not sure which or what the 'ropes' would affect
dalek rl6-roast-data: 19c16ae | coke++ | / (10 files):
today (automated commit)
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ast/glr: 6f8b7a3 | moritz++ | S03-operators/context-forcers.t:
One "flat" gains us four more tests
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[Coke] github.com/coke/cjbot/blob/master/bin/cj.pl for tadzik 15:17
dalek ast/glr: e9f0300 | moritz++ | S03-sequence/arity0.t:
Replace .munch(N) with [^N]
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timotimo where will the dinner tonight happen? 15:19
tadzik read twitter.com/internetofshit to feel like at the SPW hackathon :)
masak m: my @a = flat 1..10; say @a.munch(3); say @a[^3]
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«␤The 'munch' method was an internal method used by rakudo before the Great␤List Refactor. The fact that you are seeing this message, means that you␤have code that was using that unsupported rakudo internal API.␤␤Please refactor this code using t…»
masak sorry, GLRelia :) 15:20
tony-o tadzik: lol
tadzik woow, that error message 15:21
muraiki nice
masak m: try [].munch(3) 15:22
camelia ( no output )
GLRelia ( no output )
masak m: try [].munch(3); say $!.index("Please")
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«Method 'index' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/P15PaBbP5T:1␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«Method 'index' not found for invocant of class 'X::AdHoc'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/4ACjbiwueh:1␤␤»
masak m: try [].munch(3); say $!.Str.index("Please")
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value $! of type Any in string context in block <unit> at /tmp/AJtUpG78Yy:1␤Nil␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«213␤»
masak m: try [].munch(3); say $!.Str.substr(213) if $! 15:23
camelia ( no output )
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«Please refactor this code using the new Iterator / Seq interface.␤␤»
masak :)
dalek ast/glr: dca7f19 | moritz++ | S03-sequence/nonnumeric.t:
Remove the last usage of .munch

  .oO( not munch more to do after this )		 15:24
moritz m: say 'ZZ'.pred 15:25
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«ZY␤»
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«ZY␤»
moritz m: say 'AA'.pred
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«Decrement out of range␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/VripPo0sj8:1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/VripPo0sj8:1␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«Decrement out of range␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/0IUJZLA9mH:1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/0IUJZLA9mH:1␤␤»
moritz m: for 1..4 { FIRST say 42 } 15:26
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«42␤»
GLRelia ( no output )
moritz m: for 1..4 { NEXT say 42 } 15:27
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«42␤42␤42␤42␤»
GLRelia ( no output )
masak .oO( in GLR, phasers have been greatly simplified ) :P 15:28
masak 's role in the GLR work: court jester 15:29
dha Have they been set to stun? 15:30
[Coke] heh.
|Tux|: what is the great deficiency in the $this check you were mentioning?
... oh.
|Tux| that -e does not have strict enabled
[Coke] 's deficiency is lack of coffee. BRB 15:31
|Tux| :)
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|Tux| has to go commute as very stormy weather is approaching and I want to be home before it queues up all traffic 15:34
see y'all later
masak happy decommuting! 15:37
[Coke] m: my $var := lazy { 42 }; 15:42
camelia ( no output )
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«Method 'lazy' not found for invocant of class 'Int'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/vVt2WAL4ko:1␤␤»
masak pmichaud: pmthium.com/2014/10/apw2014/ -- there's an `until not` in a code snipped which I think should be a `while not`. 15:44
m: LoopIter 15:45
camelia rakudo-moar deb7b8: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/cjD0BxxfzD␤Undeclared name:␤ LoopIter used at line 1␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/rwAJj9ngZA␤Undeclared name:␤ LoopIter used at line 1␤␤»
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masak ok, that type doesn't exist (yet?) 15:45
or would it be internals-only, visible only at the compiler/nqp level?
dalek rl6-roast-data: d7043c4 | coke++ | / (2 files):
another glr run for today
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masak .oO( in Perl 6, `wantarray` has been renamed to (the much more appropriate term) `want`, and removed ) :P 15:48
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tadzik DO WANT 15:53
std: do want
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camelia std 28329a7: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'want' used at line 1␤Check failed␤FAILED 00:00 135m␤» 15:53
tadzik booo
lies
masak .oO( `want` is wanting ) 15:54
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GLRelia std : OUTPUT«Can't chdir to '/home/steve/std/snap': No such file or directory at lib/EvalbotExecuter.pm line 171.␤ EvalbotExecuter::_auto_execute(HASH(0x253d638), "do want", GLOB(0x2851cd8), "/tmp/aF4oO6nTCu", "std") called at lib/EvalbotExecuter.pm line 119␤ EvalbotExecuter::_f…» 15:54
japhb o/ from a traffic jam 15:55
.oO( Commute time freeway interchange is worst freeway interchange )
masak \o japhb 15:56
take the extra time to release a module! :D 15:57
it'll be the first module written and released from a traffic jam :P
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timotimo dinner will be at the venue 15:59
tadzik does anyone have an http proxy I could use for testing?
timotimo are you on the way to spw, too, japhb?
tadzik or knows how can I install one easily?
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timotimo privoxy is simple to install i recall 15:59
Ven irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2015-08-26#i_11118348 masak: we decided a.b() wouldn't be different from b(a), and we decided not to have a "map" and "for" methods 16:00
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tadzik looks easy enough, thanks 16:00
japhb masak: An interesting idea, if it weren't for the fact that the traffic jam is also in an almost-dead-zone for cell traffic (and thus bus wifi) :-/ 16:01
timotimo: I was unable to make it this time due to $day-job
japhb wishes he was there
tadzik I once used such circumstances to fix some "panda not working offline" bugs :)
japhb tadzik: *chuckle*
masak tadzik++ # bugfixes from adversity 16:05
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japhb Is there going to be a release of nom this month? ISTR people were trying to see if we could do glr instead, but if my rough scan of the backlog is any indication, there's still too much breakage to do that before EOM. 16:15
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tony-o timotimo: does 04-roundtrip test in JSON::Fast work for you? 16:17
masak japhb: as just another spectator, I second that sense/guess. 16:20
moritz I'm absolutely sure there won't be a GLR release this month.
95 failing spectest files down in 5 days, plus who knows how much ecosytem fallout? no way. 16:21
PerlJam btw, I volunteered to do the release this month, but after waiting to see if we can get the GLR merged prior to release, I no longer have much time until the weekend. 16:22
Also, I just happened to look at my IRC window just in time to see japhb's question. I probably won't be around much today. 16:23
masak someone wants to task-steal PerlJam's release tomorrow? 16:24
moritz maybe I can do it tonight or tomorrow 16:25
Ven does someone know if SPW will have a livestream? 16:26
dalek rl6-roast-data: ca8c546 | coke++ | / (2 files):
another glr run for today
masak Ven: I... don't think so. 16:27
maettu SPW will not have any stream at all
Ven okay! no recording either then. thanks :) 16:28
dalek kudo/nom: a7c845c | coke++ | src/core/Main.pm:
RT #115744 - "--" should stop MAIN arg processing
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synbot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=115744
dalek ast: 15a2728 | coke++ | S06-other/main-usage.t:
rakudo unfudge
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masak what happens in Olten stays in Olten :P 16:34
japhb Is bandwidth cheap/plentiful at the SPW venue? We could do a Hangout or similar using a spare laptop ... it's not clear to me how many participants are able to join the public version, but I'd guess maybe a dozen? 16:35
masak we're currently experiencing some wifi problems, ironically enough 16:36
japhb That might satisfy the needs of channel regulars who couldn't be there, at least.
Ah, shucks.
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FROGGS \o/ 16:37
I made it!
hoelzro / tadzik: where are you? 16:38
hoelzro FROGGS: welcome! we're at the venue with [Coke] and masak
tadzik FROGGS: venue
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masak FROGGS: you should come over! 16:39
FROGGS masak: first I need a shower :o) 16:40
hoelzro you'll be just in time for dinner =)
virtualsue \o/
tadzik virtualsue! \o/ 16:41
masak \o/ 16:42
tony-o timotimo: PR submitted for JSON::Fast 16:48
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rindolf FROGGS: hi , can I PM You? 16:51
masak rindolf: he's in the shower. 16:53
rindolf masak: ah, i see.
masak: then i'll wait.
laben |Tux|: now i'm free and i'm making some serious progress on your module
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nine Olten! 16:54
masak Olten! \o/
tadzik Olsztyn!
masak :P
FROGGS nine: you arrived at the hotel? 16:55
laben |Tux|: tests up to 50_utf8.t now pass 16:56
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FROGGS rindolf: I'm about to go to the dinner where I'll be offline... 16:58
rindolf FROGGS: ah, ok.
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FROGGS k, leaving the room now... 17:00
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masak I do hope he makes it. 17:00
it's a long 4-minute trek from the hotel to the venue.
tadzik to boldly go where 6-ish men have gone before 17:01
[Coke] m: my $i=0; while $i < 6 { FIRST { say "Here"; last }; say $i++ } # RT #121147
synbot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=121147
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤»
[Coke] j: my $i=0; while $i < 6 { FIRST { say "Here"; last }; say $i++ } # RT #121147
GLRelia rakudo-jvm 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«Can't open perl script "/home/steve/rakudo-inst/bin/eval-client.pl": No such file or directory␤»
synbot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=121147
camelia rakudo-jvm a7c845: OUTPUT«0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤»
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itz I think the meta ticket mentioned is 17:10
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itz rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=123766 17:11
(and probably outdated)
masak ah, yes. that looks like the one. itz++
nine Hackathon! 17:12
masak yeah, suddenly the spirit of entrepreneurship fills the room!
masak just met timotimo in meatspace o/ 17:13
hoelzro .oO( meetspace? ) 17:14
tadzik . o O ( teamspace )
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tadzik I should write myself a /think so I can do this faster next time 17:15
FROGGS I'm not offline /o/
tadzik \o\
timotimo o/
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masak /o\ 17:15
timotimo [Coke]: ohai from over here! o/ 17:16
hoelzro tadzik: are you on irssi?
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tadzik hoelzro: no, weechat 17:16
smls o/
masak \o 17:17
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timotimo so on the ride here i was thinking of start-up time and the idea came up that perhaps moarvm could just spit out every cuid of things it lazily deserializes and then we could perhaps grab exactly the objects that were mentioned from the serialized blob and introspect what exactly it is 17:19
so we can see things like "wth is it deserializing SetHash.from-pairs for startup?!"
laben |Tux|: seems like "alias" is not working...
timotimo and perhpas stumble upon some things that are not supposed to be done during startup
[Coke] timotimo: OHAI! 17:20
masak timotimo: sounds like it would be informative
timotimo \o/
hoelzro timotimo++
[Coke] m: "\X[200B]".say 17:22
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/4eeriz7RLw␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\X'␤at /tmp/4eeriz7RLw:1␤------> 3"\7⏏5X[200B]".say␤ expecting any of:␤ double quotes␤ term␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/bsNBe2F8po␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\X'␤at /tmp/bsNBe2F8po:1␤------> 3"\7⏏5X[200B]".say␤ expecting any of:␤ double quotes␤ term␤»
[Coke] m: "\U[200B]".say 17:23
GLRelia rakudo-moar 0bfeaf: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/gIK_8rRuYR␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\U'␤at /tmp/gIK_8rRuYR:1␤------> 3"\7⏏5U[200B]".say␤ expecting any of:␤ double quotes␤ term␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/Fb_rIBPIAk␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\U'␤at /tmp/Fb_rIBPIAk:1␤------> 3"\7⏏5U[200B]".say␤ expecting any of:␤ double quotes␤ term␤»
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masak so. for those who are not fortunate enough to be at the hackathon: 17:25
tadzik WE HAVE CATS 17:26
masak around the table we now have itz, virtualsue, nine, FROGGS, timotimo, hoelzro, tadzik, wendy, [Coke], masak, and lizmat.
[Coke] Does anyone agree with Tux's request at RT #123889?
synbot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=123889
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masak [Coke]: not sure I agree, no. 17:27
why should those particular ones be escaped in .perl output? 17:28
.perl's contract with the world is basically that you should be able to pass it to a Perl 6 compiler, and it will generate out the original value.
it does, in this case, even without escaping
[Coke] Maybe because they're not visually distinctive, but then, a lot of unicode ain't. 17:29
masak yeah, I don't see why these should get special treatment
dalek kudo/glr: c87c203 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/core/ (4 files):
Fix mysterious "Seq already iterated" errors for Seq containing Seqs

When a Seq contains another Seq, the latter often throwed errors about having already been iterated even if the code (like List.join) really only iterated once.
The reason is that a Seq when sunk will iterate and sink all its items. We need to take care whenever we push values while iterating because push returns the pused value and thus may .sink it.
Fixes for example ('ABC'.ords xx 1).join
Regressions in S05-modifier/counted.t and counted-match.t but I really have no idea how that could happen.
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masak [Coke]: does Data::Dumper do something like this?
pink_mist if you set options 17:30
masak aha.
[Coke] Tux? 17:32
|Tux|, I men?
... I MEAN
nine moritz: I found the source of the strange .join problem ^^^
Ven uh, it took me some time to understand what that THROW was doing there... but then I realize
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itz carot? ^ 17:33
^ caret
laben |Tux|: i was wrong, alias does work, investigating further... 17:34
masak .oO( this caret is no more. it has met its maker. )
FROGGS m: say 42 for Nil
GLRelia ( no output )
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«42␤»
tadzik carrot
FROGGS Nil is not supposed to vanish there, right? 17:35
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FROGGS nine: ? 17:36
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nine FROGGS: no, I don't see a reason for Nil to vanish there 17:39
laben .tell |Tux| i fixed up to test file 50_utf8.t, i'm now at 55_combi.t where the problem is trying to assign a list of chars (instead of Str) to both $!esc and $!quo. what did you mean to do? 17:43
yoleaux laben: I'll pass your message to |Tux|.
maettu pizza ready in 10 minutes
tadzik \o/ 17:44
masak \o/
I'm really hungry. I'm not sure I had lunch.
virtualsue we had 'happy hour' food at the hotel
FROGGS I'm sure I had no lunch nor breakfast :S
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masak now the pizza smell is overpowering 17:48
stop taunting us with invisible pizza!
tadzik o/' it's beginning to smell a lot like pi-zza o/' 17:49
FROGGS m: use Test; $_ = "a b c"; is +(s:g[ (\w) ] = $0 x 2), 3, "..."
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«ok 1 - ...␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ...␤␤# Failed test '...'␤# at /tmp/TJVivAKDdN line 1␤# expected: '3'␤# got: '1'␤»
[Coke] r: my $value = True but False; say ?$value 17:50
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«False␤»
..rakudo-jvm c87c20: OUTPUT«Can't open perl script "/home/steve/rakudo-inst/bin/eval-client.pl": No such file or directory␤»
camelia rakudo-{moar,jvm} a7c845: OUTPUT«False␤»
[Coke] r: my $value = True but False; say ?$value; say $value; 17:51
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«False␤False␤»
..rakudo-jvm c87c20: OUTPUT«Can't open perl script "/home/steve/rakudo-inst/bin/eval-client.pl": No such file or directory␤»
camelia rakudo-{moar,jvm} a7c845: OUTPUT«False␤False␤»
timotimo i'd be okay with invisible pizza, as long as i could still eat it
tadzik it's now 11 minutes since "pizza ready in 10 minutes" :o 17:54
[Coke] m: my $a = :b; say $a.key =:= $a.key
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«True␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«True␤»
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masak tadzik: oh, you missed the pizza? the rest of us had it all. it was very tasty. 17:57
tadzik masak: www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
dalek rl6-roast-data: 55d1257 | coke++ | / (2 files):
another glr run for today
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tadzik TTNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (time to NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) at the hackathon is proving to be quite short 18:00
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muraiki if I use IO::Notification.watch_path but the path is deleted, will the supply stop? or do I have to handle that somehow on my own? 18:20
laben m: use Test; is-deeply([],()) 18:22
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/7Re1axgv4p line 1␤# expected: $( )␤# got: []␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/JHwPyBrPvb line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: $[]␤»
laben m: use Test; is-deeply(Array.new,List.new)
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/eFgP92ghuL line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: []␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/4ZR_AKhDsz line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: $[]␤»
laben m: use Test; is-deeply(Array.new.list,List.new)
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/uKoYAtcrGL line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: []␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/jOo6L0sOlI line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: $[]␤»
laben m: use Test; is-deeply(Array.new.List,List.new)
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/nKMP0jTGW6 line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: []␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/K0VANypJXg line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: $[]␤»
laben m: use Test; is-deeply([].list,()) 18:23
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/ZzjY_VCZNn line 1␤# expected: $( )␤# got: []␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/Zk1_HU8_fo line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: $[]␤»
laben m: use Test; is-deeply([].List,())
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/YGUQX7DiQh line 1␤# expected: $( )␤# got: []␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«not ok 1 - ␤␤# Failed test at /tmp/zP8sf4FRma line 1␤# expected: $()␤# got: $[]␤»
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itz its in HTTP::Easy 18:33
masak randomly goes into the RT queue to find something LHF-ish to work on 18:34
tadzik masak: are you interesting in hearing about lhf pandabugs? :) 18:35
[Coke] no? what about khaaan.com/ ?
nine Anyone else seeing random spec test failures? Running while prove6 -v t/spec/S02-types/undefined-types.rakudo.moar ; do true ; done errors out on me after some time. More often if I run heavy parallelized spectests at the same time.
masak: join the GLR side! 18:36
b2gills [Coke]: regarding github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a7c845cc00 is there any real value to having a variable since it gets set on every iteration and only used once?
tadzik . o O ( join the GLR side! You have to flatten your cookies though )
[Coke] If you can rewrite it so there's no variable, that's fine.
it has to persist over multiple times through the loop, though. 18:37
... or maybe it doesn't, if it hits "last" in the conditional, which is probably what you were saying.
masak nine: ooh, that's an idea. 18:38
nine: any easy way to get into that? just run the spectests, or what?
nine masak: yep, that's a good start
masak: remember to checkout out the glr branch in roast, too 18:39
masak ok, since you ask so nicely... :)
ChoHag I have a question around something far more mundane.
b2gills [Coke]: I was going to say that it should be ||= but then I checked the rest of the block
masak ok, thanks glr branch in roast too. thanks.
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[Coke] anyway, this code works; refactor at your own risk. :) 18:40
hoelzro ChoHag: what's your question?
ChoHag If I have an attribute of type Match which must be parsable by Foo.bar (where Foo is a Grammar and bar is a token), how do I specify that, and how do I coerce to that attribute from a Str in the constructor?
has $.bar where * ~~ Foo.bar seems obvious. I'm about to start trying it in fact but my brain and/or fingers are slow this evening. 18:41
[Coke] m: sub a(int $i) is cached { return unless $i; a($i-1) }; say a(4); # RT #122004
synbot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=122004
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Cannot find method 'perl': no method cache and no .^find_method␤ in any enter at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:3584␤ in sub a at /tmp/Q5kvNjJgUW:1␤ in any call_with_capture at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:3512␤ in any enter at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:3584…»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«Cannot find method 'perl': no method cache and no .^find_method␤ in any enter at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:3586␤ in sub a at /tmp/TZsvH7atAr:1␤ in any call_with_capture at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:3514␤ in any enter at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:3586…»
ChoHag I've had little experience with coercion and constraints (beyond basic type constraints) 18:42
FROGGS m: say say IO::Spec::Unix.canonpath("foo/bar/baz/../..", :parent)
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«foo␤True␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«foo␤True␤»
hoelzro ChoHag: I don't know if coercion works for attributes
masak ChoHag: `Foo.bar` may be wrong, depending on how you're declared your `bar`
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ChoHag token bar { ... } 18:42
moritz you cannot call that as a class method, iirc 18:43
ChoHag Oh right it needs to be :: as per yesterdya's discussion.
skids ChoHag: you could also make that a named subset. But "coercion" would actually change an nonconforming string to make it conform; subset/where are constraints only.
moritz Foo.parse(:token<bar>, $string)
masak vendethiel! \o/ you're missing some kind of pre-hackathon, with pizza and beer! 18:44
[Coke] nine: can you evaluate rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=123496 ? 18:46
masak ok, I'm running GLRish roast on GLRish Rakudo!
[Coke] welcome to 2 weeks ago! ;)
masak is it supposed to be very Dubious?
Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00)
moritz m: say (flat 4).^name 18:47
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«List␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«List␤»
masak like a dozen so far, and I'm only on S03
moritz masak: there are 95 test files that fail
vendethiel masak: I'll be here for the next part (hopefully) ;-)
masak moritz: ok, goodtoknow 18:48
vendethiel: yes, please do be here :D
[Coke] github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/b...ummary.out is showing those as "... aborted XXX tests".
vendethiel masak: 10h55!
[Coke] github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/b....out#L6200 - look for "aborted" 18:49
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dalek kudo/glr: a11e8f2 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Actions.nqp:
Fix "earliest @array { ... }"

dunno if that is the best fix, but it makes the tests pass and does not look too dubious to me :-)		 18:50
lichtkind my p6 talk is almost done :)
masak wait... building Rakudo in a *second* directory busts the install in the first directory? how does that even...? I don't...
lichtkind: you're coming to SPW? or YAPC::Europe?
vendethiel masak: that works here :-) 18:51
nine masak: just let go of nom :)
moritz masak: same --prefix?
masak nine: heh. no. not yet.
rangerprice Look at this thread, and see how people love perl www.hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4813829
[Coke] ENOLOGIN 18:52
masak was gonna say 18:53
lichtkind masak: me gusta espania
masak rangerprice: we can't see the content because we don't have accounts.
moritz [Coke]: I read that as E NO GOBLIN first :-) 18:54
masak today's mini-challenge: make an adventure game where X::NoGoblin makes sense :P
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philh p6: say Mix({a => 0.2 }) 18:55
GLRelia rakudo-moar c87c20: OUTPUT«mix(a(0.2))␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«mix(a(0.2))␤»
rangerprice masak: ah okay
masak rangerprice: you could take a screenshot :)
philh How do I get other classes (specifically, I'm subclassing Mix) to construct themselves when the class itself is called?
masak philh: you mean, how to get the base class to construct itself? 18:56
philh Maybe? If I have class Mix2 is Mix, I want to be able to call Mix2({...}) and not Mix2.new-from-pairs(...). 18:57
Not sure if that's what you mean by the class constructing itself. 18:58
masak phew, managed to restore my ordinary nom Rakudo.
rangerprice wait masak i take a screenshot
masak rangerprice: we're waiting :)
philh: ok, I see what it is you want to do.
philh: ...I don't know, offhand. it sounds like a reasonable thing to want, I think.
rangerprice i.imgur.com/Uzi6k4Z.png - i.imgur.com/Tp5nwZD.png - i.imgur.com/uXYWiSb.png - i.imgur.com/kibf226.png 18:59
nine m: sub foo(*@a, *%h) { say @a.perl; say %h.perl; }; foo(:foo(17));
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«[]␤{:foo(17)}␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«[]<>␤{:foo(17)}<>␤»
rangerprice See how they love perl ! 19:00
moritz philh: write a class method CALL-ME 19:01
m: class A { method CALL-ME($x) { say "$x?"; self.new } }; say A('maybe')
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«maybe?␤A.new␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«maybe?␤A.new␤»
timotimo well, we have the CALL-ME ... yeah
tadzik :D 19:02
rangerprice Happy :D
philh Thanks!
I'm curious, Mix doesn't seem to have that method defined anywhere? At least not in src/core/Mix.pm 19:03
masak rangerprice: what is a "booter"?
philh So it looks to me like it's inherited, but it's not further inherited when subclassing it? 19:04
masak LOVE PEARL 19:05
rangerprice masak: i don't know
hehehehe :D
masak hehehehe! :D 19:06
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masak hee hee 19:06
rangerprice hahaahhahah :)
masak arrrhhhhhhhahaha
rangerprice ~ Wonder if i, gave an oreo ~ 19:07
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masak rangerprice: I now know what a booter is. 19:07
rangerprice What is this so
masak it's something to start up a botnet, apparently.
rangerprice Oh
masak I have very little experience with botnets.
I usually use computers one at a time. 19:08
and mostly only my own :)
rangerprice obviously
masak rangerprice: thank you for this rare insight into what some people who I usually never meet think about Perl :)
rangerprice This is what i'm here :D 19:09
this is why *
dalek ast: de7de27 | coke++ | S32-temporal/Date.t:
add tests for RT #125681
 19:10
synbot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=125681
grondilu Alejandro is a great chess teacher
masak grondilu: that came out of nowhere :) 19:11
grondilu oops, wrong channel
masak aw, I was hoping there was a connection somewhere ;)
grondilu sorry guys
lizmat philh: which method in Mix are you missing again? 19:12
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philh CALL-ME. 19:13
dalek ast/glr: 978df96 | moritz++ | integration/99problems-51-to-60.t:
Try to fix balanced tree test

not quite right, but at least it doesn't abort anymore		 19:14
[Coke] m: sub foo { my $s; for 1..3 { $s += $_ } } ; say foo() 19:15
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
lizmat m: say Mix(10); say 10.Mix
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«mix(10)␤mix(10)␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«mix(10)␤mix(10)␤»
lizmat m: say Mix(^10)
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«mix(5, 7, 9, 4, 8, 3, 0, 1, 6, 2)␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«mix(5, 7, 9, 4, 8, 3, 0, 1, 6, 2)␤»
[Coke] m: sub foo { my $s; for 1..3 { $s += $_ } } ; say foo() 19:16
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
[Coke] m: sub foo { my $s; ($s += $_ for 1..3) } ; say foo() # whoops
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«6 6 6␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«6 6 6␤»
philh lizmat: ah, sorry, possibly I was unclear. I was wondering how Mix has CALL-ME defined, when it's not in src/core/Mix.pm; but when I subclass Mix, the subclass doesn't have it.
lizmat philh: I think that if you call a type object with parameters, it is interpreted as using the type object as a coercer
nine lizmat: yes, that's what I've seen, too 19:17
lizmat: ping
itz rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=123766
masak [Coke]: what itz said :)
lizmat I don't think CALL-ME is involved 19:18
or if it is, it's somewhere deep in the bootstrap
philh Oh, okay.
nine itz: oh, good that the GLR is not in that list ;)
nine can stop working and go relax now :)
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[Coke] m: .say for ([1, 0 xx 5-1], *.rotate(-1) ... *)[^5] 19:19
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«1␤0 0 0 0␤0␤0␤0␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«1 0 0 0 0␤0␤1␤0␤0␤»
[Coke] itz++ !
dalek pan style="color: #395be5">perl6-examples: 20adca9 | (Steve Mynott)++ | categories/cookbook/16processes/16-13-listing-signals.pl:
import
philh I think of coercers as being the specific methods .Mix etc. that are defined in various places. Is that correct, or are they something else?
[Coke] m: 'say "abc".ords xx 2' 19:21
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«WARNINGS:␤Useless use of constant string "say \"abc\".ords xx 2" in sink context (line 1)␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«WARNINGS:␤Useless use of constant string "say \"abc\".ords xx 2" in sink context (line 1)␤»
[Coke] m: say "abc".ords xx 2
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«97 98 99 97 98 99␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«␤»
ugexe you can coerce inside a signature as well. sub foo(TypeTo(TypeFrom) $var) { }
[Coke] so if we have an RT that works in glr, safe to resolve? 19:22
even though glr isn't technically released yet?
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farhad which on is harder perl or python 19:24
dalek rl6-roast-data: b1633d4 | coke++ | / (2 files):
another glr run for today
 19:25
[Coke] looks like the most recent glr commit regressed.
pink_mist farhad: that's very individual; learn both and decide for yourself
philh Oh, I think I get it - ClassName(obj) is turned into (obj).ClassName if ClassName doesn't have a .CALL-ME ? 19:26
And that would explain why
p6: class Mix2 is Mix {}; Mix2({}) 19:27
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Cannot find method 'Mix2'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Cannot find method 'Mix2'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
vendethiel philh: no :).
philh complains about a missing method.
masak lizmat, nine: gist.github.com/masak/b694a4050f4e91bd254c
philh ...oh.
vendethiel we don't have universal call syntax (like D, Nim, maybe c++ soon-ish)
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farhad thanks pink_mist for your answer. 19:28
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[Coke] ... hearing no complaints, treating a glr-fixed RT as fixed. 19:29
m: say @a[0,1].perl; say @a[^2].perl; 19:31
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/bf6ZA5Lskx␤Variable '@a' is not declared␤at /tmp/bf6ZA5Lskx:1␤------> 3say 7⏏5@a[0,1].perl; say @a[^2].perl;␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/EKXwg4s0Hq␤Variable '@a' is not declared␤at /tmp/EKXwg4s0Hq:1␤------> 3say 7⏏5@a[0,1].perl; say @a[^2].perl;␤»
[Coke] m: my @a; say @a[0,1].perl; say @a[^2].perl;
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«(Any, Any)␤()␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«(Any, Any)␤()␤»
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[Coke] m: my @a; 15:31 < [Coke]> m: my @a; say @a[0,1].perl; say @a[^2].perl; 19:32
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/85Yyc3oLrj␤Confused␤at /tmp/85Yyc3oLrj:1␤------> 3my @a; 15:7⏏0531 < [Coke]> m: my @a; say @a[0,1].perl;␤ expecting any of:␤ colon pair␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/5UAAp6KT8V␤Confused␤at /tmp/5UAAp6KT8V:1␤------> 3my @a; 15:7⏏0531 < [Coke]> m: my @a; say @a[0,1].perl;␤ expecting any of:␤ colon pair␤»
[Coke] (sorry)
m: my @a; @a[0,1] = 42,43; say @a.perl; @a[^2] = 42,43; say @.perl; 19:33
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/2xMtmPQdpB␤Variable @.perl used where no 'self' is available␤at /tmp/2xMtmPQdpB:1␤------> 3 say @a.perl; @a[^2] = 42,43; say @.perl7⏏5;␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ term␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/ezU0jUH8zU␤Variable @.perl used where no 'self' is available␤at /tmp/ezU0jUH8zU:1␤------> 3 say @a.perl; @a[^2] = 42,43; say @.perl7⏏5;␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ term␤»
[Coke] m: my @a; @a[0,1] = 42,43; say @a.perl; @a[^2] = 42,43; say @a.perl;
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«[42, 43]␤[42, 43]␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«[42, 43]<>␤[42, 43]<>␤»
[Coke] m: my @a; my @b @a[0,1] = 42,43; say @a.perl; @b[^2] = 42,43; say @b.perl; 19:35
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/MiO6GWL8gR␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/MiO6GWL8gR:1␤------> 3my @a; my @b7⏏5 @a[0,1] = 42,43; say @a.perl; @b[^2] = ␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ statemen…»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/b1K6h9xEwk␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/b1K6h9xEwk:1␤------> 3my @a; my @b7⏏5 @a[0,1] = 42,43; say @a.perl; @b[^2] = ␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ statemen…»
[Coke] m: my @a; my @b; @a[0,1] = 42,43; say @a.perl; @b[^2] = 42,43; say @b.perl;
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«[42, 43]␤[42, 43]␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«[42, 43]<>␤[42, 43]<>␤»
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dalek ast: f4c0fa6 | coke++ | S03-metaops/hyper.t:
use original RT #
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[Coke] m: my $पहला = 1; 19:40
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/FB8TUXf0cp␤Bogus postfix␤at /tmp/FB8TUXf0cp:1␤------> 3my $पहल7⏏5ा = 1;␤ expecting any of:␤ constraint␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ state…»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/HAfAEY9WSh␤Bogus postfix␤at /tmp/HAfAEY9WSh:1␤------> 3my $पहल7⏏5ा = 1;␤ expecting any of:␤ constraint␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ state…»
timotimo m: say uniname("ा") 19:44
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«DEVANAGARI VOWEL SIGN AA␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«DEVANAGARI VOWEL SIGN AA␤»
FROGGS m: say uniname($_) for "पहला ".chars
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«ENQUIRY␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«ENQUIRY␤»
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FROGGS m: say uniname($_) for "abc".chars 19:44
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«END OF TEXT␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«END OF TEXT␤»
timotimo m: say "foo".chars 19:45
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«3␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«3␤»
[Coke] m: say "foo">>.chars
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«3␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«3␤»
FROGGS m: say uniname($_) for "abc".ords».chr
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«LATIN SMALL LETTER A␤LATIN SMALL LETTER B␤LATIN SMALL LETTER C␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«LATIN SMALL LETTER A␤LATIN SMALL LETTER B␤LATIN SMALL LETTER C␤»
FROGGS m: say uniname($_) for "पहला ".ords
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«DEVANAGARI LETTER PA␤DEVANAGARI LETTER HA␤DEVANAGARI LETTER LA␤DEVANAGARI VOWEL SIGN AA␤SPACE␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«DEVANAGARI LETTER PA␤DEVANAGARI LETTER HA␤DEVANAGARI LETTER LA␤DEVANAGARI VOWEL SIGN AA␤SPACE␤»
FROGGS m: say "पहला".chars 19:46
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«4␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«4␤»
FROGGS m: say ("पहला" ~~ /\w+/).Str.chars
timotimo m: say uniprop("प", "Category")
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«3␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«3␤»
rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«0␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«0␤»
[Coke] RT #122340 btw.
synbot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=122340
FROGGS m: say "पहला".ords».fmt('$#x') 19:48
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Directives specify 0 arguments, but 1 argument was supplied␤␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Directives specify 0 arguments, but 1 argument was supplied␤␤»
timotimo m: say "ला".graphs
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Method 'graphs' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/eFkS2U9FLh:1␤␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Method 'graphs' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/hPyr7UwFk2:1␤␤»
timotimo m: say "ला".NFG.graphs
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Method 'NFG' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/6z12qydula:1␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Method 'NFG' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/Ss0ugMBWiH:1␤␤»
FROGGS m: say "पहला".ords».fmt('%#x')
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«0x92a 0x939 0x932 0x93e␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«0x92a 0x939 0x932 0x93e␤»
timotimo m: say "ला".Uni
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Method 'Uni' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/epnWK63hdK:1␤␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Method 'Uni' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/FCnqPYOXyO:1␤␤»
timotimo m: say "ला".uni
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Method 'uni' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/TPq9u_TV_Z:1␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Method 'uni' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/b5TYMLLcmB:1␤␤»
masak 'night, #perl6 19:52
'night, hackathon :)
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timotimo i was just printing the sorted result of a "leaderboard" with >>.say and i was confused why the numbers were going from big to small, then jump back to big and down to small again 19:54
that's hyper for you
ShimmerFairy m: say "पहला".comb».uniprop 19:56
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Lo Lo Lo Mc␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Lo Lo Lo Mc␤»
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FROGGS m: my $idxs := 0.map({ once fail "foo" }).Array; say $idxs.elems..Inf 19:58
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«1..Inf␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«foo␤ in block at /tmp/0QmJkN9oN0:1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/0QmJkN9oN0:1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/0QmJkN9oN0:1␤␤»
FROGGS nine: this might be some code where you unsinkness patch does not help... 19:59
dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 42 commits to rakudo/glr by lizmat 20:06
Heuristic branch merge: pushed 22 commits to roast/glr by lizmat 20:07
rangerprice Who develop in C++ here ? i need help 20:08
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laben rangerprice: let's hear it, i may be of help 20:10
[Coke] wonders if you can go from 'abc' to / 'abc' / without an Eval. 20:11
FROGGS [Coke]: when building QAST you can... 20:12
[Coke] m: my $str = "fooooobar"; my $re = "o"; my Regex O = new("'"~$re~"'"); say $str ~~ O
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/wWoFn6gmF8␤Malformed my (did you mean to declare a sigilless \O or $O?)␤at /tmp/wWoFn6gmF8:1␤------> 3 = "fooooobar"; my $re = "o"; my Regex O7⏏5 = new("'"~$re~"'"); say $str ~~ O␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/szUpj_e80e␤Malformed my (did you mean to declare a sigilless \O or $O?)␤at /tmp/szUpj_e80e:1␤------> 3 = "fooooobar"; my $re = "o"; my Regex O7⏏5 = new("'"~$re~"'"); say $str ~~ O␤»
[Coke] m: my $str = "fooooobar"; my $re = "o"; my Regex $O = new("'"~$re~"'"); say $str ~~ $O
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/ZRnHzTh1F0␤Undeclared routine:␤ new used at line 1 (in Perl 6 please use method call syntax instead)␤␤»
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/uqMZQor2uo␤Undeclared routine:␤ new used at line 1 (in Perl 6 please use method call syntax instead)␤␤»
[Coke] m: my $str = "fooooobar"; my $re = "o"; my Regex $O = Regex.new("'"~$re~"'"); say $str ~~ $O
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«Default constructor for 'Regex' only takes named arguments␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/9sgDYg6E99:1␤␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«Default constructor for 'Regex' only takes named arguments␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/9mfIiZofbZ:1␤␤»
FROGGS [Coke]: is this about string literals only? or might there be regex special chars in there?
rangerprice i am making a generic vector in C++, and i use polymorphism, but i have some trouble
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rangerprice laben: my problem is detailled in this thread: stackoverflow.com/questions/3221751...ric-vector 20:13
lizmat mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/catPurrNo...erator.php # purr
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dalek ast/glr: e3d35a1 | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | integration/99problems-41-to-50.t:
GLRify 99problems-41-to-50.t
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ast/glr: c1ab404 | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | S (35 files):
Merge branch 'glr' of github.com/perl6/roast into glr
laben rangerprice: polymorphs ok, but to access fields not in the base class, you need to cast the pointer to the derived class 20:16
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lizmat note: whenever now works in the glr 20:16
[Coke] Just literals... but I was trying to be lazy.
laben rangerprice: alternatively you can write some setters/getters, but you will still need to cast the pointer 20:17
colomon rangerprice: what laben said. in C++, an All * cannot directly access something in a derived class
it’s nothing like perl 6 in that respect. ;) 20:18
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laben colomon: yeah, it feels strange after getting accostumed to a more modern OO system 20:18
colomon laben: I’d say more like painful, but I still use it every day.
I went through a ludicrous amount of template nonsense to make something happen today which would have just been automatic in p6. 20:19
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laben could be painful too, yeah, depending on the person. i'm somewhat resistant to pain nowadays due to $daily-job involving XML and XSLT to horrifying degrees 20:20
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rangerprice laben & colomon: But i can't cast the All* pointer because i don't know the type of any 20:21
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laben rangerprice: what do you mean you dont know the type? 20:22
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colomon rangerprice: yes, well then, you either need to figure out a generic interface for Any that the derived classes can use, or mess around with type ids until you can find the type. 20:23
You can do the latter with dynamic_cast, but it’s a pain.
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laben oh the joys of having to write abstract classes to make interfaces 20:24
and remember to write virtual func(...) {...} = 0; for whatever reason i dont remember anymore
colomon … actually, there probably isn’t a reasonable generic interface, now that I look at it. because value can be of any type.
laben: hmm? normally you’d have virtual func(...) = 0 or virtual func(...) {...} — both is possible but very unusal. 20:25
laben yeah, see? i actually forgot what was it supposed to be :/ 20:26
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colomon point is, unless there’s some fancy new C++11 (or whatever) functionality I don’t know about, you have to declare a single type as your return type for a virtual function. So no way to write GetValue. 20:29
laben auto?
it should work, not that i know much of it...
rangerprice colomon: why dynamic_cast is a pain ? i never use it
colomon the way you’ve set things up, you’d have to have a dynamic_cast for each possible type 20:30
dalek line-Perl5: 203cabc | hoelzro++ | t/ (2 files):
Add test for GH #40

This points out an issue where keyword arguments aren't being passed to Perl 5
line-Perl5: d3d9774 | hoelzro++ | lib/Inline/Perl5.pm6:
Make sure we pass keyword arguments to Perl 5

Fixes GH #40
line-Perl5: b0b56fc | niner++ | / (3 files):
Merge pull request #41 from hoelzro/master

Fix GH #40
itz m: lines("a\nb").perl 20:31
GLRelia ( no output )
camelia ( no output )
itz m: say lines("a\nb").perl
GLRelia rakudo-moar a11e8f: OUTPUT«("a", "b").Seq␤»
camelia rakudo-moar a7c845: OUTPUT«("a", "b")␤»
dalek kudo-star-daily: 8e05f65 | coke++ | log/ (8 files):
today (automated commit)
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laben rangerprice: if for whatever reason you cannot cast the pointer to the derived side, you have to put your value in the base class or make some mess with declaring methods to access them in the base class and implement them in the derived
rangerprice laben: Or i can implement the getValue() inside 'any' class, and make the base class become the friend of the child class ? 20:37
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laben O.o the friend thing is needed to access the internals of another class, yes, but in your case you dont have access not even to them until you cast the pointer. it's like it desn't even know it is a derived class until you "convince" it 20:39
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dalek kudo/glr: 778b1fb | FROGGS++ | src/core/Str.pm:
let Str.match return a List properly
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kudo/glr: fe1d45a | FROGGS++ | src/core/Str.pm:
s/fail/die/ so it explodes instead of sleeping in an array
ast/glr: 0ef812a | FROGGS++ | S32-io/io-spec-unix.t:
remove duplicate hash elem, which was a noop
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colomon rangerprice: what you really want to do (probably) is give Any a “Print” function, and then the derived classes can each do the right thing. 20:47
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rangerprice not a print function, but a getValue() function that will return the value of Any::value 20:50
laben rangerprice: declare something like "virtual All getValue() = 0;" inside All and implement it in any with "any getValue() {return value;};" and in the loop, use the getValue() to obtain it. 50% chance to work if i got the virtual syntax right 20:53
colomon like I said above, I’m pretty sure that cannot work. What is the type you are returning from getValue? 20:57
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rangerprice T 20:58
dalek ast: e960b57 | (David Warring)++ | / (4 files):
utilize does-ok test assertion
ast: 67b2039 | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | / (4 files):
Merge branch 'does-ok'
colomon no. there is no T on any
Any
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laben ok maybe it needs a level of pointer indirection to work its magic, but honestly it's quite strange you dont know the type to cast it 20:59
rangerprice getValue return the type of value, so T
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colomon rangerprice: that approach will compile, but each derived class will have its own getValue that doesn’t override the one in the base class. 20:59
rangerprice oh
yes i understand colomon 21:00
and it would be great if the base class can have a access to the derived class
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rangerprice I develop in C++14, and for me, C++ and generic programming is a pain 21:01
laben meh, every time a new derived class appears, you would have to extend the base class to consider that
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colomon rangerprice: the real problem here is you haven’t thought out what you really want to do. :) 21:03
rangerprice: why do you want Any, which doesn’t have a ::value, to be able to access value?
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rangerprice colomon: Any have a variable member named value. I know exactly what i want to do, i just want to do a generic type that can be used by vector to make a generic vector 21:05
muraiki does anyone know if there's a way to make a IO::Notification.watch_path supply close if the path is deleted? I don't really want to create another watch_path for the watch_path :)
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vendethiel
.oO( who watch_path-es the watch_path-s?
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)* 21:07
muraiki hehe :)
also, I see that there's a chmod built in, but there's no chown, right? 21:08
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colomon rangerprice: there’s basically no way to do that (assuming you mean the vector holds all generic types, rather than just a templated vector like std::vector) without an insane number of dynamic_casts which you get data back out of the vector. 21:12
laben muraiki: if it registers the deletion as an event, you could do work inside the closure passed to tap and call .close
colomon rangerprice: you’re throwing away your type information, and will have to fight to get it back.
muraiki laben: oh, I can close the supply from within the supply? I thought that might do something scary, heh. thanks! 21:13
laben muraiki: i dunno if it works actually
muraiki ah :)
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muraiki I returned inside of a do once, and everything went crazy 21:13
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muraiki well, the program terminated, but then eventually my cmoputer froze with moarvm at 100% CPU 21:13
and eating up all my ram 21:14
colomon rangerprice: basically you’re trying to do something that most C++ programmers gave up trying to do several decades ago…
timotimo vendethiel: will you arrive tomorrow? :)
vendethiel timotimo: 10h55! I just set my alarm to wake me up at 5 :)
timotimo oke :)
vendethiel I better get some sleep in the train, and not only some reading of my book 21:15
timotimo that's not a lot of sleep
vendethiel no, but then, I've slept enough the week before this one that it should be fine
timotimo is that "in 10 hours 55 minutes" or "at 10:55"?
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laben muraiki: makes me remember a time when windows froze at shutdown while still playing never gonna give you up 21:15
timotimo right, that'll help
vendethiel timotimo 10:55am
muraiki laben: sounds like a nightmare :)
laben XD i had to brutally remove the supply to stop it 21:16
timotimo oke
imgur.com/I0UD5Uj - GLR in a nutshell 21:21
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laben .tell |Tux| i fixed 60_samples.t after skipping 55_combi.t, i got up to 90/114 tests of 77_getall.t passing, still needs a lot of work 21:27
yoleaux laben: I'll pass your message to |Tux|.
dalek ast/glr: 08f7ebe | (Stefan Seifert)++ | S09-typed-arrays/arrays.t:
todo -> skip to allow tests to continue

Previously the tests gave the wrong result. Now they fail because there are no typed Seq and @array.values and .keys return Seq now.
The question remains if we actually need typed Seq. Since they are immutable, the only reason that comes to mind would be multi dispatch.
ast/glr: c418cc1 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | S09-typed-arrays/arrays.t:
Parcel is List now

Fixs S09-typed-arrays/arrays.t
colomon has been packing up, to make for easy travels in the morning.
laben and with this, i'm going to bed soon. good rest|work #perl6 21:28
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timotimo we could potentially make constructing NFAs a tiny fractional bit less expensive by requiring the user of the nfa api to have an nqp::list of nqp::list_i's 21:36
that'll save us a whole bunch of boxes
and we wouldn't have to MVM_coerce_simple_intify all the edge values
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timotimo now i see that wouldn't be possible because it has to be able to store strings, too 21:41
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dalek kudo/glr: 98ec245 | (Stefan Seifert)++ | src/Perl6/Actions.nqp:
Fix "This Seq has already been iterated" when tapping a feed

  @data <== map {$_ + 1} <== @tap <== grep {$_ % 2} <== eager @data;
pushed the Seq from grep into @tap and then tried to re-use the same Seq for further processing of the feed in map. Have to .list it to do that.
Fixes t/spec/S03-feeds/basic.t		 21:57
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TimToady & Glo wave from Olten and collapse into bed 22:25
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dha Ok, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but if I run perl6 in the rakudo directory I built it in, it runs, but if I try to run it from anywhere else I get this error: 22:49
Unhandled exception: failed to load library 'dynext/libperl6_ops_moar.dylib'
at <unknown>:1 (/Users/dha/rakudo/perl6.moarvm:<dependencies+deserialize>:81)
This is the sort of thing that makes one not want to set up new machines...
arnsholt Yeah, it can be a bit confusing, but the rakudo/perl6 wrapper only works from rakudo/ 22:50
skids nine: in case you suspect any more Seq-of-Seqs sinking Seqs problems some possile locations to fix are in PR#502
arnsholt From any other path, there's a different wrapper. IIRC it's rakudo/install/bin/perl6 if you use --gen-nqp
dha Ah. 22:52
Yep. that did it. Thanks.
I probably did that on the other laptop, but totally forgot about it since. :-) 22:53
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YuviPanda so 23:02
what else do I need in github.com/yuvipanda/perl6-Ident-Client
to put it in the ecosystem?
I don't have an explicit module declaration but that's probably ok? it just provides a single class 23:04
dalek rl6-roast-data: 74090a0 | coke++ | / (2 files):
another glr run for today
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dalek c: ae93030 | ab5tract++ | lib/Language/syntax.pod:
Previous example does not compile
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c: f8fa62a | ab5tract++ | lib/Language/operators.pod:
fix a small typo
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