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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
Juerd m: sub forty-two { 42 }; say 123 ~~ &forty-two; 00:00
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«42␤»
Sgeo Ooh. Except that doesn't necessarily play nice with `when`
Unless the result of `when` is visible?
Juerd Please note that not many people can read minds. Can you explain what you mean with 'play nice with when'? 00:01
Sgeo m: $_ = 5; when {$^x + 1} { say $_ }
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5␤»
Sgeo How can I get 6 from there?
AFK 00:02
Juerd I don't think you can
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Juerd It would be a bit weird to use 'when' as a topicalizer, because it itself operates on the topic, which means that there will already be one. 00:04
On the other hand, when &closure -> $x { ... } would perhaps be nice.
Currently it throws an error that I don't understand (Too few positionals passed; expected 1 but got 0)
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Juerd (Okay, I do understand it, but I think it's unclear.) 00:05
sortiz m: say 5 ~~ (-> $a {$a + 1}) 00:07
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«6␤»
Juerd sortiz: If I understand Sgeo correctly, they want to somehow capture that return value with 'when'. 00:08
It works with if:
m: given 5 { if $_ ~~ { $^x + 1 } -> $six { say $six } } 00:09
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«6␤»
sortiz I don't really understand what Sgeo want :-) 00:10
Juerd Well, if I do: 00:11
sortiz But a capture can smartmatch a signature also:
Juerd m: given 5 { when { $^x + 1 } -> $six { say $six } }
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0␤ in block at /tmp/OQDT0HnejC line 1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/OQDT0HnejC line 1␤␤»
sortiz m: say \('foo') ~~ :(Int $a); say \(5) ~~ :(Int $a)
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«False␤True␤»
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Sgeo "To really bind to a signature, use the * pattern to delegate binding to the when statement's block instead." 01:02
m: given 5 { when * -> $a { say $a } }
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0␤ in block at /tmp/99ACLCT1ga line 1␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/99ACLCT1ga line 1␤␤»
Sgeo design.perl6.org/S03.html#Smart_matching
Blah
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Sgeo m: 5 ~~ (5|6) 01:08
camelia ( no output )
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Sgeo m: say (5 ~~ (5|6)) 01:08
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«True␤»
AlexDaniel Sgeo: what are you trying to do? 01:10
MadcapJake: www.mattermost.org/
MadcapJake: and www.mattermost.org/why-we-made-mat...ternative/
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AlexDaniel m: { say * }(42) 01:14
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«*␤»
AlexDaniel hehe
timotimo sub calls are borders through which auto-currying wth Whatever will not go
Sgeo auto-currying? 01:17
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Sgeo vaguely considers writing the ff operator in Haskell 01:20
Wait, no 01:21
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Sgeo m: say 5.VAR 02:04
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5␤»
Sgeo ?? 02:05
m: my $a = 5; say $a.VAR
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5␤»
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MasterDuke i've profiled the rakudo build, but the resulting profile is kind of large (700mb). p6profiler-qt wouldn't open it because of a file size limitation for qjsondocuments. i recompiled qt with a larger limit, but now the oom killer kills the process before i can view the profile 02:09
and suggestions that don't involve me buying more ram?
gfldex add more swap and go to bed while it muches the data 02:10
MasterDuke yeah, that's probably my next attempt 02:11
i tried cutting some things out of gen/moar/m-CORE.setting (to hopefully make a resulting profile of its build smaller), but make complained about a missing magic number 02:12
AlexDaniel MasterDuke: how much memory do you have? 02:13
MasterDuke 8gb 02:14
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Sgeo I still struggle to understand any mutability model that isn't Rust's 02:27
(Well, no, I understand them, I just... ugh) 02:28
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MadcapJake AlexDaniel: yeah mattermost looks awesome but it's not provided as a service so would require a machine. 02:39
m: my $a = 'a'; $a.VAR.say; $a.VAR.WHAT.say; $a.WHAT.say # <-- Sgeo 02:40
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«a␤(Scalar)␤(Str)␤»
AlexDaniel MadcapJake: that can be solved. Unlike proprietary jail
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MadcapJake very true, but it's not like we don't rely on another proprietary jail: GitHub 02:42
(maybe not as "jailish" as Slack)
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AlexDaniel yes, it's a problem 02:43
but it does not mean that we should tolerate other jails :)
MadcapJake AlexDaniel: I concur! I'm honestly not opposed to kiboshing the whole thing, it really didn't gain any traction and we especially didn't get any outsiders involved (which was my intention) 02:46
like so many fads, people joined and never said a word :P
For me, IRCCloud is a nice alternative; it has a lightly Slack-inspired interface, supports inline pastebin services, inline videos/music, and has a great mobile app and notifications. 02:49
and if I ever buck up and get a membership: unlimited backlogs and more than 2 IRC servers (right now I really only use freenode and OFTC but I would like to connect to Gnome's) 02:50
AlexDaniel wait what, IRC client that is not gratis? 02:51
MadcapJake well they do have a large github presence but I'm not sure if it's all there: github.com/irccloud 02:52
geekosaur the reason hexchat exists is that the xchat windows port went nonfree 02:53
MadcapJake I just can't stand any of the IRC clients out there. It's mostly an aesthetics thing but the only nice looking one, Polari, is really buggy and slow still. 02:57
geekosaur is on linux. butt ugly is a given. >.< 02:58
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MadcapJake Also the backlogs are really awesome, I leave the website open as an Epiphany webapp and I can click "X unread messages" and it moves be back to where I left off when I last was using it. 02:58
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MadcapJake I am too! Gnome Shell though so it's mostly really nice looking :) 02:59
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Sgeo For objects just meant to represent some data, do I make its fields rw or not? 03:39
Such an easy question to answer in Rust and Haskell, for more... mutable languages, I don't know
Rust the fields inherit the mutability of whatever they're in, which goes up to the variable the object is stored in (there's an escape hatch to add mutability). In Haskell, it's just immutable. 03:40
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adu Sgeo: to rw or not to rw, that is the question... 03:43
whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of mutability...
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ugexe does it need to be mutable? then make it mutable. does it not need to be mutable? then dont make it mutable. the longer answer depends on which one allows you to write cleaner code. thats all 03:59
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BenGoldberg Sgeo, Just make sure that methods which mutate an object are easily distinguished from those which don't. For example, go read the story of why Moonpig::DateTime was created. 04:08
Sgeo Thanks for reminding me that I really should go retreat into Rust again 04:11
Even "mutable" methods don't enable action-at-a-distance unless you do extra stuff
ugexe thats certainly one way to extremely verbose code 04:15
to write
Sgeo Moonpig::DateTime 04:19
oops
sub as-many($head, *@rest)
Should that example use **@rest as a better practice for newbies to emulate?
learnxinyminutes.com/docs/perl6/
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Sgeo (I don't actually know which is typical, but docs gave the impression **@rest is preferred, I think) 04:19
ugexe those arent the same 04:20
m: sub foo($head, *@rest) { say @rest.perl }; foo(1, [1,2])
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«[1, 2]␤»
ugexe m: sub foo($head, **@rest) { say @rest.perl }; foo(1, [1,2])
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«[[1, 2],]␤»
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Sgeo If someone's writing that sort of function and isn't sure which sort of API to provide, then it's still a decision where one or the other might be better 04:21
ugexe better depends entirely on what they are doing with it 04:24
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ugexe its not a matter of best practice 04:24
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ugexe m: sub foo1($head, **@rest) { say @rest.perl }; sub foo2($head, *@rest) { say @rest.perl }; foo1(1, [2,3], 4); foo2(1, [2,3], 4) 04:26
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«[[2, 3], 4]␤[2, 3, 4]␤»
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Sgeo Are multi-subs scoped? 04:32
ugexe m: sub foo1($head, **@rest is raw) { say @rest.perl }; sub foo2($head, *@rest is raw) { say @rest.perl }; foo1(1, [2,3], 4); foo2(1, [2,3], 4); # or maybe this is what you're after
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«([2, 3], 4)␤(2, 3, 4)␤»
Sgeo m: multi f(Str $foo) { say "Str"; }; do { multi f(Int $foo) { say "Int"; }; f(5); }; f(6); 04:33
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/AqGoOfkLRp␤Calling f(Int) will never work with any of these multi signatures:␤ (Str $foo)␤at /tmp/AqGoOfkLRp:1␤------> 3ti f(Int $foo) { say "Int"; }; f(5); }; 7⏏5f(6);␤»
Sgeo m: multi f(Str $foo) { say "Str"; }; do { multi f(Int $foo) { say "Int"; }; f(5); };
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«Int␤»
Sgeo Hmm, interesting 04:34
Helps alleviate some of my concern about conflicting trait names... I think
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timotimo Unrecognized character name BOX DRAWINGS $weight HORIZONTAL 06:15
grmbl
i'm *not* going to use EVAL for this :) 06:16
buharin hiho
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timotimo we don't seem to have nqp::codepointfromname anywhere in the CORE setting 06:19
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Sgeo m: role Foo {}; say ((0 but Foo) ~~ Foo) 06:24
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«True␤»
Sgeo Neat
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masak morning, #perl6 06:34
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sjn good morning, masak & #perl6 :) 06:37
masak .oO( I was greeted in a junction )
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sjn hm. what happens when one uses different junctions on two overlapping durations? 06:44
timotimo it'll be like a cross operator 06:45
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sjn would imagine an & would work on a timeline like a "merge", and a "| like a "branch" 06:45
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sjn :) 06:45
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moritz actually & is a branch followed by a merge, and | is just a branch 06:54
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masak that... doesn't sounds dual enough 06:56
sound* 06:57
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moritz is there a Standard of Duality that dictates that all important concepts must come with sufficient Duality? :-) 06:59
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masak ... 07:00
yes! :)
masak realizes that people who haven't been smashed in the head by Category Theory might not be aware of this 07:01
El_Che x 07:03
masak m: say "x <--- you are here" 07:04
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«x <--- you are here␤»
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RabidGravy concludes that something similar to AttributeFacade but using an attribute rather than the invocant would make GTK::Simple happier 07:30
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RabidGravy and me happier, I've typed "method foo() { Proxy.new: FETCH => { gtk_somewidget_get_foo($!gtk_widget) }, STORE => $, $val { gtk_somewidget_set_foo($!gtk_widget, $val) } }" too many times already 07:51
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gregf_ hello morning 08:58
can roles be instantiated too?
m: role Foo { method test(){ say "what"; } }; 0 but Foo.test(); # like this 08:59
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«what␤»
jnthn Not directly. Attempting to will create a "pun" of the role, which is formed by doing the equivalent of `class :: does TheRole { }`. Your method call is then forwarded to that 09:00
gregf_ similar to a Java interface
jnthn (And it is cached, so we don't do that expensive computation every time)
gregf_ oh, expensive computation as in applying the role? 09:02
jnthn Yes
gregf_ ok - thanks jnthn! 09:03
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gregf_ jnthn: and can roles be applied programmatically? *i know its silly to apply a role to an instance* 09:08
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gregf_ like so, something like this in Moose: package Foo { use Moose::Role; sub bar { print "Barred!"; } 1; } package Bar { use Moose; 1; } my $bar = Bar->new; Foo->meta->apply($bar); $bar->bar();my $bar1 = Bar->new; $bar1->bar(); 09:09
anyways, i'll stick to the basics. *digressing* 09:13
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eiro hello everyone 09:14
dalek k-simple: 0d097d0 | RabidGravy++ | / (2 files):
Add editable, cursor-visible properties to TextView

Closes #8		 09:15
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RabidGravy gregf, yes you can 09:16
run-time application is with "does" on an instance 09:17
so, e.g. "my $a = SomeClass.new; $a does SomeRole;"
jnthn Ah, programatically as in "to an instance"...what RabidGravy said. You can use the MOP to programatically create classes too
gregf_ RabidGravy: ah - so simple :) 09:18
RabidGravy or if you want to do it do a type object of some class then you use "but" 09:19
e.g. "constant RoleClass = ( SomeClass but SomeRole)"
gregf_ yeah
RabidGravy you don't need to use a constant 09:20
gregf_ i just tried this: role Foo { method bar(){ say "Bar"; }}; class Bar {}; my $b = Bar.new; $b does Foo; $b.bar(); # its like plain english :)
RabidGravy: jnthn cheers!
RabidGravy yeah, it's a lovely thing 09:21
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RabidGravy who was it that was saying that they'd like to see a Glade/GtkBuilder thingy in GTK::Simple? 10:52
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RabidGravy anyhow whoever they are they could help by fixing github.com/perl6/gtk-simple/pull/16 so it is mergeable 10:53
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awwaiid What's the latest on rakudo-js? For the last several weeks I've been playing with Opal (ruby→js compiler) and it has been great fun; I'm looking forward to porting some of my learnings to p6 :) 10:54
RabidGravy there seem to have been lots of commits 10:56
haven't the faintest whether it actually works or not
moritz blogs.perl.org/users/pawel_murias/ has the progress reports
awwaiid ok cool 10:58
thanks! :)
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RabidGravy so actually it's in pretty good shape 11:00
kaare_ What's the actual goal for this. If succesfull, will it be able to compete with Angular and React, or does it have another focus? 11:02
timotimo just running perl6 code in a browser, and on node.js 11:03
JimmyZ we have another way, compile moarvm with Emscripten 11:05
awwaiid kaare_: I've played with react as a lib that you then wrap in language-specific apis, so clojurescript/reagent, opal(ruby)/react.rb, and it has been very fun.
JimmyZ :)
awwaiid kaare_: clojurescript+reagent+figwheel is magical. The server-side is a dancer like setup with nice clean restful api, then the client-side is organized into individual components. Figwheel opens up a websocket for dev-mode -- any time you save a file it is pushed up to the client and eval'd, and the way react separates out state makes it so you are still in the same place of your application but with new code. Does the same pushing up css. Then goes bey 11:07
kaare_: I want to bring all those things to rakudo-js :) 11:08
kaare_: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEFi14LlOHA is a 2 minute demo of a version of this for opal(ruby) of similar technology (though the video is already outdated -- updates are basically instant now) 11:11
RabidGravy if anyone uses or has an opinion on GTK::Simple please feel free to comment on github.com/perl6/gtk-simple/issues/29 11:14
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masak m: role R[R ::T] {} 12:08
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/xVnU0SCArC␤Invalid typename 'R' in parameter declaration.␤at /tmp/xVnU0SCArC:1␤------> 3role R[R7⏏5 ::T] {}␤»
masak should this be allowed?
(restricting the parameter of a role to the role itself)
timotimo how do you actually instantiate this, then? :) 12:09
the parameter needs to be of R, but its parameter needs to be of R, too, which means its parameter itself has to be of R
moritz role T does R[R] { }
role S does R[T] { }
timotimo but can you put R[R]? doesn't it have to be R[R[R[R[R[R[...]]]]]] 12:10
moritz ah right 12:11
but you could
m: role R[R ::T = R] { }
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/RPdqd7fgqV␤Invalid typename 'R' in parameter declaration.␤at /tmp/RPdqd7fgqV:1␤------> 3role R[R7⏏5 ::T = R] { }␤»
timotimo oh, really?
moritz well, you could, if it worked
but [..] is just a signature
timotimo what is R, though? roles don't have "type objects"
oh, actually they do 12:12
moritz so you can add optional parameters
timotimo right
would have to be very careful with this so that using the T parameter doesn't cause some punning somewhere, which would immediately fail due to no parameterization?
moritz yes, would have to be very careful :-) 12:13
not saying it should work, just that one can imagine a language variant where that works
timotimo mhm
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pmurias awwaiid: I'll write another progress report today as I have been neglecting those recently 12:38
kaare_: the goal is not to compete with angular and react but to use those *from* Perl6 12:39
timotimo awesome!
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RabidGravy I keep meaning to make something that does similar to what AngularJS and a couple of other things do wrt updating the view when the model changes in some way 12:49
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pmurias blogs.perl.org/users/pawel_murias/2...mpile.html 13:04
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dalek c: 7102514 | (Christopher Bottoms)++ | doc/Type/Int.pod:
code formatted Int
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c: e2dcd75 | RabidGravy++ | doc/Type/Int.pod:
Merge pull request #525 from molecules/patch-1

code formatted Int in the documentation for the polymod routine for Int
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masak pmurias++ # blag 13:33
pmurias: s/leather/lather/
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tadzik I thought leather is some meme there :) 13:33
pmurias++ 13:34
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tony-o MadcapJake: can i pm? 14:05
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masak .oO( compile-time error: attempt to verb Patrick Michaud ) 14:21
eiro masak: is it a good idea to start from xml-writer to have an indented version ? 14:22
tadzik it's kind of funny in polish
"werbować" means "to recruit"
MadcapJake tony-o: sure!
eiro i wonder if a fresh start (with objects and methods like .id, .class) would be better
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tony-o eiro: as a rewrite ? 14:24
brrt masak: did you ever get further with the trinity thing... 14:25
eiro not a rewrite: an OO based abstraction over html node
(eventually using XML::Writer beneath its .str method 14:26
brrt i really appreciated that article :-)
tony-o it'd be nice to be able to use libxml - i think froggs was working on it a while back so i didn't pick it up
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masak eiro: too long since I looked at XML::Writer, sorry 14:28
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masak eiro: suspect starting over might be better, at least in the short term 14:28
RabidGravy yeah, XML (which is what I'm using in XML::Class( is awfully, awfully slow right now
masak brrt: not significantly, no. still plan to.
eiro masak: thanks 14:29
RabidGravy didn't someone sketch an expat binding in an advent post? I'm surprised it didn't hit the ecosystem
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brrt i'm... kind of wrapping my head arround whether the three-tier thing is a pain point or a good thing 14:29
although, we do have to some extent a trinity-like-language, and it is javascript 14:30
tony-o RabidGravy: i looked at expat bindings over a year ago and didn't pursue, i'm assuming by now that froggs has abandoned libxml or my searching isn't fruitful
brrt in the sense that it runs in all contexts (although it still maintains barriers between them)
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RabidGravy tony-o, looks like he hasn't touched it since September github.com/FROGGS/p6-XML-LibXML 14:32
eiro ok ... why not just use perl6 to generate the output?
will it be that faster to write a NativeCall extrension? worth to deal with external dependencies
timotimo yeah, it'll likely be a few hundred times faster, unless you have to make a lot of calls 14:33
tony-o eiro: writing an NC to parse the XML will be less portable but significantly faster
eiro i'm only speaking about the serializer. the parser is an Emmet one 14:34
i wrote it as example for the talk i want to give at FPW
RabidGravy Ah, here's the article perl6advent.wordpress.com/2015/12/...-beyond-c/
tony-o eiro: like timotimo said, NC [sh|w]ould be much faster 14:35
eiro YA meeting ... got to go. i'll be back soon
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AlexDaniel I don't want to get into this unicode vs texas debate any further… 14:41
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nemo ♥ unicode 14:42
unicode 4eva! 14:43
tony-o you guys in austin, tx ? 14:45
lizmat is
going to expo floor&
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dalek c: 96ae37f | (Tom Browder)++ | doc/Language/functions.pod:
fix typo
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c: 6a7c020 | (Tom Browder)++ | doc/Language/functions.pod:
really back to phasers, and add a comma
c: 8c3819e | RabidGravy++ | doc/Language/functions.pod:
Merge pull request #523 from tbrowder/func-pod-fix

fix typo
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dogbert17 o/ # perl6 15:21
dogbert17 wonders if masak is around 15:22
huf ...tuit?
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kaare_ pmurias: I have a hard time imagening the toolchain. Any examples around? I mean, you write react in ES6 or 7 or whatever, and compile with npm 15:26
Where does p6 fit in?
timotimo you write react in p6 instead of es6 15:27
like you would write react in typescript or coffeescript or what have you
kaare_ ok, that's nice (I guess)
mst is probably going to write an @has decorator for ES6 15:30
MadcapJake I guess?
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MadcapJake kaare_: it could look something like `use React; my $hello-message = React.new(render => { create-element 'div', Nil, 'Hello ', %!props<name> }); render($hello-message, :name<John>)` 15:36
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MadcapJake oops forgot the mountNode arg to render, but that's the idea at least 15:37
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kaare_ MadcapJake: Yes; I guess it's nice. 15:38
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MadcapJake xD I'm confused by your use of "I guess". It seems to imply that you're not really sure how nice it is :P 15:39
kaare_ Well, I'm not, Are you? 15:40
mst I think the expansion may be more "I suppose I can see how people might find it nice, but I'm not sure personally I see the point"
certainly that's how I feel about this
kaare_ I have to try it out myself to evaluate the niceness
MadcapJake kaare_: at least 1 developer thinks its nice for every language listed here: github.com/jashkenas/coffeescript/...pile-to-js
mst: the "point" of a compile-to-js language (or to have js be a compilation target) is that it removes the need to manage multiple languages when writing your web site/app stack. Node.js is incredibly popular for the reverse reasoning: "I already know front-end JS, why not use it in my server!" 15:42
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dalek k-simple: d5a943d | RabidGravy++ | lib/GTK/Simple.pm6:
All "properties" are now handle by a trait

This is a slightly modified version of AccessorFacade that uses WIDGET to get the object to pass as the first argument.
There is one that has been left because it takes two arguments
Closes #28		 15:43
kaare_ MadcapJake: And this is the other way around, and that's good.
mst MadcapJake: which part of "I suppose I can see how people might find it nice" suggested to you that I didn't know that?
MadcapJake mst: the part where "people" doesn't include you :) 15:44
mst because I'm perfectly happy being a polyglot
kaare_ mst is not in the "people" set. I guess ;-)
MadcapJake mst: ok, that's certainly a perspective on this that I can understand. I think part of the appeal of a JS target is the result of "shiny syndrome" wherein we get to use our favorite pet language in a new interesting way 15:45
mst a JS target to allow me to write a piece of domain logic once and use it on both client and server would be relevant to my interests 15:46
writing my reactjs code in not-JS, less so
mspo dart? 15:47
elm?
mst currently I'm quite enjoying ES6 as 'close enough to what runs in the browser to be comfortable to debug but with enough extra features that I don't get annoyed as often' 15:48
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MadcapJake mst: yeah I think ES6 is a huge leap forward in JS usability 15:50
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mst use strict + let + arrow function notation 15:50
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mst is ... enough 15:50
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mst though I could do with 'has', hence considering writing it 15:51
MadcapJake mst: are decorators available through Babel? 15:52
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mst MadcapJake: yes 15:55
I'm using babel+react+mobx atm
MadcapJake mobx looks nifty! 15:56
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awwaiid As an example of this in Opal(ruby)/React.rb, here is the app I've been playing with -- github.com/awwaiid/reactrb-elephan...example.rb . You could translate this ruby code very directly into p6. 15:58
pmurias kaare_: react is a library, you can use it from javascript (or Perl 6 compiled to javascript) 15:59
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pmurias kaare_: there is JSX which allows you to use some syntax sugar which we will replace with a dsl 16:04
kaare_ pmurias: Thanks, got it now :-) 16:05
pmurias awwaiid: we will be able to have a P6X sugar layer, remember we have slangs 16:06
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JustinHitla I have thise line: "my %id_port=( 0=>0, 1=>0, );" at the begining of the programm and then later I need to set that "id_port" variable all zeroes in a loop, many times, so what would be better way ? is it using same code again: "%id_port=( 0=>0, 1=>0, );" or should I use something like "$id_port[0]=0; $id_port[1]=0;" ? I mean first method will 16:12
reallocate new memory right ? so it will be tough for a garbage collector
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awwaiid pmurias: I'm thinking that we don't need to go that far because the base language is already pretty flexible, like the DSL on the ruby example. I do think using the concept of supplies and promises will be very powerful. 16:13
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MadcapJake m: my %id-port = 0..10 Z=> 0 xx 10; say %id-port # JustinHitla 16:14
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0, 5 => 0, 6 => 0, 7 => 0, 8 => 0, 9 => 0}␤»
JustinHitla MadcapJake: what is that ?
awwaiid JustinHitla: are you running into memory issues, or is this premtive optimization?
MadcapJake JustinHitla: setting a sequence of keys' values to zero 16:15
actually reassigning to the variable
JustinHitla awwaiid: I'm interested if there will be memory issues or not at all
MadcapJake m: my %id-port = 0..10 Z=> 0 xx 10; %id-port{3..5} = 1 xx 3; say %id-port 16:16
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 1, 4 => 1, 5 => 1, 6 => 0, 7 => 0, 8 => 0, 9 => 0}␤»
jnthn The `$id_port[0]=0` approach will produce less garbage to collect 16:17
Though unless the profiles are telling you you're already spending a lot of time in GC...
awwaiid maybe you could build it up and then clone it when you need it to be reset
JustinHitla I mean when I create variable at the begining of the programm like "my %id_port=( 0=>0, 1=>0, );" what is the right way to set it all to zero again, use the same code ? but I want just to set them to zero I don't need to reallocate memory 16:18
jnthn .value = 0 for %id_port; # one way :)
awwaiid ya, I like that way :)
JustinHitla really ?
jnthn Well, it depends, if you just have two keys you might as well just re-assign it :) 16:19
JustinHitla or what if I do this, create 2 variables "my %id_port=( 0=>0, 1=>0, ); my %id_port_all_zeros=( 0=>0, 1=>0, );" and then I just do "$id_port=$id_port_all_zeros" ?
jnthn: what if I have this: "my %id_ip=( 0=>[0,0,0,0], 1=>[0,0,0,0] );" will ".value = 0 for %id_ip"; work as well ? 16:20
awwaiid I think that'll copy the top-level reference but not deep-copy, so when you edit $id_port values you'll edit the $id_port_all_zeros values
JustinHitla so ".value" is a perl6 trick ?
MadcapJake .value is calling the method "value" on the topic variable which is set by the for loop (in this case it iterates over a list of the pairs of the Hash) 16:22
JustinHitla so if I want to just zet all to zero in %id_ip can I just use "%id_ip=( 0=>[0,0,0,0], 1=>[0,0,0,0] );" or not ? 16:24
dogbert17 if anyone has a moment to review my attempt to doc methods 'IO' and 'SPEC' in IO::Path the gist is here: gist.github.com/dogbert17/18381bf2...f8914ee1c3
MadcapJake after `rakudobrew build moar` this morning, panda doesn't work (or install via rakudobrew)
moritz dogbert17: looks good
tony-o MadcapJake: that happens to me every time i rebuild moar - did you nuke first? 16:25
MadcapJake JustinHitla: I don't see what you'r asking there
tony-o: oh nope I didn't, thanks!
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[Coke] m: my %id_ip=( 0=>[0,0,0,0], 1=>[0,0,0,0] ); say %id_ip.perl; 16:25
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{"0" => $[0, 0, 0, 0], "1" => $[0, 0, 0, 0]}␤»
tony-o MadcapJake: now with logotype icons :-) 16:26
JustinHitla MadcapJake: at least can you tell if ".value = 0 for %id_port;" is only works in perl6 ?
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dalek k-simple: 0f5fd75 | RabidGravy++ | / (2 files):
Implement monospace property on TextView

This partially addresses #7 however a more complete solution
  (allowing setting of an arbitrary font on the widget,) requires
the implementation of gtk_widget_set_font_map and all the attendant Pango bizness.		 16:26
dogbert17 moritz: many thanks, will commit
[Coke] JustinHitla: on works in perl6 ... as opposed to where/ 16:27
*only
MadcapJake JustinHitla: What? This is #perl6, we're talking about Perl 6 only (most times :P)
tony-o: nice! looks great! 16:28
moritz and if not, we say what language we talk about :-)
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MadcapJake There's really only two languages that ".value = 0 for %id_port;" would even look normal in and personally I have no idea if that is valid Perl 5, I never learned that language. 16:29
JustinHitla so when you asked do you know perl you asking which perl ? 16:30
MadcapJake huh?
JustinHitla allright, there is only one perl, perl6
dalek c: 9e95b4e | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Added doc for methods 'IO' and 'SPEC' in IO::Path. moritz++
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tony-o MadcapJake: now i need to go make logotype for all my modules 16:34
MadcapJake tony-o: xD good idea! any idea why my P6Dx icon isn't working? modules.zef.pm/search?terms=p6dx 16:36
awwaiid m: my %id_ip=( 0=>[0,0,0,0], 1=>[0,0,0,0] ); say %id_ip.perl; %id_ip{1}[2] = 23; say %id_ip.perl; %id_ip=( 0=>[0,0,0,0], 1=>[0,0,0,0] ); say %id_ip.perl
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{"0" => $[0, 0, 0, 0], "1" => $[0, 0, 0, 0]}␤{"0" => $[0, 0, 0, 0], "1" => $[0, 0, 23, 0]}␤{"0" => $[0, 0, 0, 0], "1" => $[0, 0, 0, 0]}␤»
awwaiid m: my %zero_id_ip=( 0=>[0,0,0,0], 1=>[0,0,0,0] ); my %id_ip = %zero_id_ip; say %id_ip.perl; %id_ip{1}[2] = 23; say %id_ip.perl; %id_ip = %zero_id_ip; say %id_ip.perl 16:37
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{"0" => $[0, 0, 0, 0], "1" => $[0, 0, 0, 0]}␤{"0" => $[0, 0, 0, 0], "1" => $[0, 0, 23, 0]}␤{"0" => $[0, 0, 0, 0], "1" => $[0, 0, 23, 0]}␤»
RabidGravy is there anyone else who has an interest in GTK::Simple? If so please weigh in on github.com/perl6/gtk-simple/issues/29 before I just (mostly) unilaterally kebab all the snakey names
awwaiid JustinHitla: so yes, you can reset it to all zeros directly or through a loop, but if you try to keep the zeros in a variable that won't work because it only copies one layer deep
RabidGravy MadcapJake, was it you who was saying the Glade support in GTK::Simple would be nice? If so do you want to take a look at github.com/perl6/gtk-simple/pull/16 with a view as to "is it worth the effort" ? 16:40
dalek osystem: d629f3f | araraloren++ | META.list:
Add Getopt::Kinoko

  github.com/araraloren/Getopt-Kinoko/
osystem: b57cf93 | RabidGravy++ | META.list:
Merge pull request #207 from araraloren/master

Add Getopt::Kinoko
gregf_ MadcapJake: Perl5 reads right to left. perl6 reads left to right 16:43
MadcapJake gregf_: really?
gregf_ like so, my %id_port = map { $_ => 0 } 0..10; #Perl5 == (^10).map( * => 0 ) #Perl6
MadcapJake ahh i see! 16:44
gregf_ Perl6 imho is a Pure Object Orientated language. everything is a object as in Ruby
s/a/an/
MadcapJake RabidGravy: I like the example given in the OP but I'm curious how that would be done via Supplies as jnthn mentioned. 16:45
AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = map( * => 0, ^5); say %id_port
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
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AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = map * => 0, ^5; say %id_port 16:45
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = ^5 .map( * => 0); say %id_port
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
ugexe yeah that was a rather untrue statement 16:46
AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = (^5 .list ==> map * => 0); say %id_port 16:48
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = (map * => 0 <== ^5 .list); say %id_port
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
RabidGravy MadcapJake, there's already code in there for connecting a Gtk signal to a P6 callback and thus emitting to a supply
MadcapJake AlexDaniel++ # the king of TIMTOWTDI ;)
ugexe m: my @a = map { $_ xx 2 }, <a b>; say @a.perl; my @b <== map { $_ xx 2 } <== <a b>; say @b.perl; <a b> xx 2 R= my @c; say @c.perl 16:49
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«[("a", "a"), ("b", "b")]␤[("a", "a"), ("b", "b")]␤[("a", "b"), ("a", "b")]␤»
dalek c: 16fd361 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Fixed typo and changed the documentation for the 'path' method
AlexDaniel oh, I forgot something 16:50
m: my %id_port = (^5)».&(* => 0); say %id_port
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
MadcapJake wow that one is really cool! 16:51
Didn't know that you could do that with WhateverStar
ugexe m: my %x is default(0); say %x<1>
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«0␤»
AlexDaniel ugexe: well that's cheating 16:52
MadcapJake that one is perfect for JustinHitla's usecase perhaps
AlexDaniel ah, there's also one more thing…
MadcapJake how would you call :delete on every key? 16:53
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AlexDaniel MadcapJake: just throw away your hash? 16:53
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MadcapJake but then you would lose the `is default(0)` help 16:53
ugexe m: my %x is default(0); %x<a> = 1; %x<b> = 2; %x{*}:delete; say %x.perl 16:54
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{}␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = (^5) »=>« (0 xx 5); say %id_port
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = (^5) X=> 0; say %id_port 16:55
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
MadcapJake m: my %x is default(0); %x<a> = 1; %x<b> = 2; %x{*}:delete; say %x<b>
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«0␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %id_port = (^5) »=>» 0; say %id_port
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => 0, 1 => 0, 2 => 0, 3 => 0, 4 => 0}␤»
MadcapJake awesome, that would be the way I'd handle his question
What's the different between X=> and Z=> ? 16:56
difference*
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AlexDaniel m: say 4,8,15 X 16,23 16:57
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«((4 16) (4 23) (8 16) (8 23) (15 16) (15 23))␤»
AlexDaniel m: say 4,8,15 Z 16,23
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«((4 16) (8 23))␤»
MadcapJake oh so it only looks the same because there was only 0 on the RHS
gregf_ zip?
AlexDaniel yeah, zip and cross
gregf_ product and zip in ruby :)
AlexDaniel you can spell it out if you want 16:58
m: say cross (1,2,3), (4,5)
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«((1 4) (1 5) (2 4) (2 5) (3 4) (3 5))␤»
AlexDaniel m: say zip (1,2,3), (4,5)
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«((1 4) (2 5))␤»
AlexDaniel m: say roundrobin (1,2,3), (4,5)
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«((1 4) (2 5) (3))␤»
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AlexDaniel m: say [X] (1,2,3), (4,5) 16:59
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«((1 4) (1 5) (2 4) (2 5) (3 4) (3 5))␤»
AlexDaniel or whatever
m: say &[X]((1,2,3), (4,5))
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«((1 4) (1 5) (2 4) (2 5) (3 4) (3 5))␤»
AlexDaniel I can do that all day long but I think that I'll get back to that awesome thing I was working on… 17:00
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MadcapJake RabidGravy: how would you propose using gtk_builder_connect_signals_full with supplies? just the same way signal_supply handles it? 17:01
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JustinHitla m: my %id_port = (0,1).map( * => [0,0,0,0]); say %id_port 17:03
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«{0 => [0 0 0 0], 1 => [0 0 0 0]}␤»
JustinHitla it works, thanks
RabidGravy pretty much, but there's probably some sugar to be had in the client code to do that under the hood 17:04
JustinHitla so is there difference between: "%id_port=( 0=>0, 1=>0, )" and "%id_port = (0,1).map( * => 0)" ? 17:05
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JustinHitla I mean first one should allocate memory every time ? 17:05
so first one will used garbage collector a lot, right ?
MadcapJake m: my %id_port is default([0,0,0,0]); %id_port<1> = [192,168,0,1]; say %id_port<1>; %id_port{*}:delete; %id_port<1>.say; # JustinHitla, I personally think this is the clearest way
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«[192 168 0 1]␤[0 0 0 0]␤»
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JustinHitla so "%id_port{*}:delete" sets all members to '0' ? it doesn't delete anything, right ? 17:07
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MadcapJake JustinHitla: doc.perl6.org/syntax/%3Adelete 17:08
ugexe it deletes all the keys. anytime you access/vivify a new key it defaults to value 0
or whatever is default is
MadcapJake JustinHitla: it technically uses DELETE-KEY under the hood to remove that key and value from the collection. The * just says "do it to all keys" 17:09
JustinHitla makes sence 17:10
MadcapJake the `is default` trait says "when there is no key set by user, just provide this value instead"
ugexe m: my %x is default(100); %x<a> = 1; %x<a> = Nil; say %x<a>; 17:11
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«100␤»
MadcapJake .oO( I seem to think that programming concepts can talk... )
ugexe so the user can still set a key and have the default used
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ugexe m: my %x is default(-> { warn "setting default"; 0 }()); %x<a> = 1; say %x<a>; say %x<b> 17:18
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«setting default in block at /tmp/mBNXZqIqbI line 1␤1␤0␤»
MadcapJake I think that was run at instantiation of the variable though, right? 17:19
lizmat m: my %h is default(42); %h<a><b> # wondering if this is an LTA error 17:20
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«Type Int does not support associative indexing.␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/rzZzFbDqlV line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/rzZzFbDqlV line 1␤␤»
ugexe yeah, i was just seeing
MadcapJake lizmat: could the error be made aware of it being called on a default-provided value? 17:21
s/called/subscripted/
lizmat well, I'm not sure it should throw at all
setting a default like that shouldn't set a constraint, I don't think
I understand why it's happening 17:22
afk&
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mspo has there been any interest in adding p6 regex to pcre or an external lib? 17:45
masak haven't heard of such interest 17:50
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mspo would be nicer than that ruby one that's been going around 17:59
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dogbert17 does anyone want to review the 'new' docs for method 'resolve' in IO::Path, gist.github.com/dogbert17/8b4fa796...b42cc61f62 18:18
personally I'm hoping for suggestions on how to improve the text 18:19
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dalek c: ae6d2af | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Added docs for the method 'resolve' in IO::Path
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dalek c: 14b9ff4 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Added method header to abspath and implemented a textual change suggested by [Coke]++
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dalek k-simple: bdb93cf | RabidGravy++ | / (8 files):
kebab-case the public interface

I've added a DEPRECATION to all the old names with no particular time being specified. I guess I'll give it a month or so.
Closes #29		 19:02
ugexe well resolve is not portable yet, which is probably why it was not documented 19:04
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dogbert17 ugexe: I saw that comment in the source, perhaps I should mention it? 19:09
ugexe every instance of it in the roast is marked as fudged/nyi 19:11
dogbert17 will it fail on Windows?
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ugexe it wont give the right path 19:11
dogbert17 hmm, I guess I should mention it or remove it entirely 19:13
ugexe it doesnt fail though, no
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dogbert17 ugexe: I'll add some text about this in a bit 19:15
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MadcapJake is perl6.org down? 20:14
tadzik yes: isup.me/perl6.org
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eiro RabidGravy, tony-o timotimo masak: thanks for you answers. i'll go for something simple (pure perl) for the moment 20:22
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[Coke] docs.perl6.org having issues also 20:23
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lizmat OSCON expo shutting down& 20:30
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JustinHitla when I create variables in perl using "my ($i,$j,$p,$n);" is there a way to set a default value ? something like "my ($i=0,$j=0,$p,$n);" ? or I should do it explicitly "$i=0;" ? 20:36
mst my ($i, $j, $p, $n) = (0, 0); ? 20:38
JustinHitla right
[Coke] m: my ($a, $b) is default(4); say $a, $b;
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«44␤»
[Coke] m: my ($a, $b) is default(4); $a = 5; say $a; $a=Nil; say $a; 20:39
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5␤4␤»
JustinHitla m: my ($a, $b) is default(4,5); say $a, $b;
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«(4 5)(4 5)␤»
JustinHitla m: my ($a, $b) is (default(4),default(5)); say $a, $b;
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/tgpNCSe3gU␤Invalid name␤at /tmp/tgpNCSe3gU:1␤------> 3my ($a, $b) is7⏏5 (default(4),default(5)); say $a, $b;␤» 20:40
[Coke] JustinHitla: no, you can't do that.
and you should only use this if you really want it to be default, not if you just want to initialize them.
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[Coke] m: my Int $a; say $a.perl; 20:40
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«Int␤»
[Coke] m: my int $a; say $a.perl; 20:41
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«0␤»
JustinHitla m: my ($a, $b) is default(2^10); say $a, $b;
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«one(2, 10)one(2, 10)␤»
[Coke] you can also use the native 'int' class, which will default to 0 instead of the type.
JustinHitla what is that "one" ?
[Coke] JustinHitla: junctions
hoelzro you probably want 2 ** 10 20:42
(for exponentiation)
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AlexDaniel or 2¹⁰ :) 20:43
hoelzro =)
JustinHitla by the way that one "my ($i, $j, $p, $n) = (0, 0);" will set $i and $j right ? what if I want to set $p and $n instead ? 20:44
hoelzro yes
if you want to set $p and $n, reorder the LHS =)
JustinHitla just as I thought
hoelzro or do (Any, Any, 0, 0) on the RHS
perlpilot or ($,$, 0,0) 20:46
hoelzro perlpilot: on the RHS, though?
m: "my ($i, $j, $p, $n) = ($,$, 0,0)
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/JxEIAFN0_n␤Variable '$i' is not declared␤at /tmp/JxEIAFN0_n:1␤------> 3"my (7⏏5$i, $j, $p, $n) = ($,$, 0,0)␤»
hoelzro m: \my ($i, $j, $p, $n) = ($,$, 0,0)
camelia ( no output ) 20:47
hoelzro m: my ($i, $j, $p, $n) = ($,$, 0,0)
camelia ( no output )
hoelzro m: my ($i, $j, $p, $n) = ($,$, 0,0); say "$i.perl() $j.perl() $p.perl() $n.perl()"
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«Any Any 0 0␤»
hoelzro I'll be damned
perlpilot++
geekosaur not very surprised
JustinHitla I'll go "$i=0; $j=0;" line
geekosaur it is a bit of a hack though
hoelzro oh, I guess it's kind of like anon state, huh? 20:48
geekosaur not kind of
it's taking advantage of the fact that the anon state variable is initialized to Any
(which also means it may not do what you want if you are *using* the anon state variable) 20:49
AlexDaniel m: my int $x is default(4)
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/AlkD8HHRB7␤Can't use trait 'is default' on a native.␤at /tmp/AlkD8HHRB7:1␤------> 3my int $x is default(4)7⏏5<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ constraint␤»
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perlpilot geekosaur: for example? 20:49
geekosaur (admittedly, if you are doing that then you're probably not also devclaring other vars)
hoelzro geekosaur: but each $ is distinct from one another 20:51
geekosaur ah
ok, ten it would work provided it's not $++ or something
hoelzro hoelz.ro/blog/anonymous-state-varia...-they-work ;)
yup
perlpilot JustinHitla: Just remember that simplicity and clarity trump cleverness every time :)
geekosaur ...or you come back in 6 months and can't understand your own code 20:52
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gfldex m: my Int $i; dd $i; subset NullInt of Int is default(0); 21:09
camelia rakudo-moar e39ce3: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/er_8WE4P1j␤'NullInt' cannot inherit from 'default' because it is unknown.␤at /tmp/er_8WE4P1j:1␤»
gfldex perl6.org seams to be down 21:10
mst indeed it is 21:11
JustinHitla just when I need it, its down
I can ping it 21:12
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pmurias mst: re using rakudo.js vs js, the barrier of something being actually a better for technical reasons rather then just being more awesome is hard to cross 21:17
mst: the same exists on the backend side for perl6 vs perl5 21:18
dalek c: 7b411d3 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Added a note about 'resolve' currently not working correctly on all platforms. ugexe++
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Xliff Is modules.perl6.org down? 21:29
www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mod....perl6.org
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travis-ci Doc build failed. Jan-Olof Hendig 'Added a note about 'resolve' currently not working correctly on all platforms. ugexe++' 21:59
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/131537388 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/14b9f...411d36015e
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[Coke] I tried to ssh into to what I think is the hosting box, ssh hangs after a certain point 22:19
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timotimo oh, is hack having trouble again? 22:54
right now it seems fine 22:55
oh, www.p6c.org does have trouble
i went and rebooted it 22:57
collect.p6c.org shows it had been on 100% "wait" for all CPUs for a few hours now
aha, we apparently have a perlbrew set up for modules.perl6.org, but it's missing the Toadfarm.pm for some reason 23:05
that's why modules.perl6.org isn't coming up
huh. it's not using the perlbrew perl to run the web app? 23:09
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Zoffix It does. 23:09
timotimo then why does it claim it can't find Toadfarm, even though i just cpanm installed it?
Zoffix Not sure. Why did you have to install it? :S 23:10
timotimo because it says "begin failed, compilatio naborted" "can't load application from file /etc/init.d/..."
"Can't locate Toadfarm.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Toadfarm module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl"
Zoffix Hm, I wonder if we ever tested that part :P 23:11
timotimo and the @INC doesn't contain /home/... at all
Zoffix timotimo, are you able to change my pub key on that server?
timotimo yes
Zoffix I'll log in and take a look 23:12
timotimo is being identified to nickserv adequate? :P
why not just point me at the github pub key thingie
github.com/zoffixznet.keys 23:13
Zoffix I'm not sure which one of those is my leliana box :P
Last one it seems 23:14
timotimo well, not only did i get the key in two separate messages, but it's also prefixed with weechat decoration in each of the screenlines
Zoffix heh
timotimo i can't tell what user you were trying to log in as
Zoffix It was root 23:15
timotimo you don't have a zoffix user on that machine, but i can put your pubkey in for the modules.perl6.org user
oh, ok
Zoffix Well, the old key is assigned to root
timotimo ah, yeah, it is 23:16
Zoffix But it can be tossed really, 'cause I can access leliana from all my other boxes anyway
timotimo try now
Zoffix Yup. worked 23:17
Thanks.
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timotimo everything is reminding me of froggs :S 23:20
Zoffix ? 23:21
timotimo seeing the graphs on collect reminds me of his extremely frequent and surprisingly costly cron job 23:22
Zoffix heh 23:23
Well, I launched the site manually and I believe I see a problem with the init.d script too :)
It uses the brewed perl but doesn't include its INC
timotimo how is that even possible? :) 23:24
Zoffix 'cause the INC is setup with source ~/perl5/perlbrew/etc/bashrc in .bashrc file of modules.perl6.org user 23:25
Which I guess isn't run by the init script
timotimo ah, hehe.
making stuff reboot-safe is always the hardest thing :P 23:27
thanks for the effort :) 23:29
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Zoffix Hm... So I'm following the policy of git commiting changes under /etc, but there are uncommited changes. I tried to just commit them before making my change, but it fails with .git/hooks/pre-commit: 4: .git/hooks/pre-commit: etckeeper: not found 23:35
Does anyone know how to fix that without my having to learn wtf etckeeper is? :)
timotimo we threw out etckeeper at some point 23:36
and we didn't clean up the stuff in /etc yet ...
i'm not sure how exactly we should do that
ilmari rm .git/hooks/*?
Zoffix K. then I'll just update the modules.perl6.org init.d script without commiting anything :) I'm just adding use lib <> to it
timotimo mhm, ok 23:37
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Zoffix didn't help :( K, I started it manually. I'll read up on how to fix it and then fix it in the next couple of days. If the app has to be started again for whatever reason, just su modules.perl6.org; cd ~/modules.perl6.org; hypnotoad bin/ModulesPerl6.pl 23:42
Zoffix &
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timotimo we could put that into a text file in the user's home 23:42
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