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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
dalek c: 3fcedd3 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Type/Num.pod6:
fix unclosed L<>
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[Coke] For a profiler project I'm working on, it'd be great to have some smallish perl6 programs that I can use under the artistic license that generate profile data that is currently hard to use (slow to open in the profiler html, etc.) 00:01
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jdv79 [Coke]: data selector? 00:06
[Coke] jdv79: ?
jdv79 github.com/jdv/p6-data-selector
maybe
you are looking for stuff thats big to profile? 00:07
gfldex AlexDaniel: , and ; are List constructors. [] is the Array constructor. And I'm pretty sure we didn't doc neither the ; case nor the , and ; case.
jdv79 those tests might be iirc
daxim andrewalker, where are your qt5 bindings? 00:08
[Coke] jdv79: Stuff that I can include wholesale into my repo, preferably as standalone things.
AlexDaniel gfldex: will you open a new issue in the doc repo? 00:09
gfldex AlexDaniel: I will just doc it.
AlexDaniel gfldex: oh wow
gfldex++
gfldex also i'm making progress on the whole $/.html /.html file-name-and-link-debacle 00:10
i found that htmlify.p6 writes a few files (autogenerated type stuff) more then once 00:11
[Coke] ORLY? 00:12
which ones?
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dalek c: eb7b786 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/Promise.pod6:
Add explicit example of how to test the Promise status
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BenGoldberg_ m: my $x = [ 1, 2, 3 ]; my ($a, $b, $c) = $x; say $b; 00:17
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«2␤»
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dalek c: f8b3cde | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/list.pod6:
doc multidim literal lists
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sortiz \o #perl6 00:48
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sortiz Those are mentioned as "semicolon list" or "semilist" on S09:Multidimensional_arrays and S09:The_semicolon_operator 01:10
synopsebot6 Link: design.perl6.org/S09.html#Multidime...ys_and_S09
sortiz poor synopsebot6 :( 01:12
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gfldex [Coke]: duplicate files (names after filesystem escape) gist.github.com/gfldex/42de8c55837...ad68ee2e2a 01:49
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sammers m: my @arr = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for @arr -> $name { say "My name is $name" } 02:23
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim␤My name is bob␤My name is joe␤»
sammers m: my %hash; %hash<names> = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for %hash<names> -> $name { say "My name is $name" } 02:24
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim bob joe␤»
sammers hmm
m: my %hash; %hash<names> = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for %hash<names>.Array -> $name { say "My name is $name" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim␤My name is bob␤My name is joe␤»
sammers ah
gfldex m: my %hash; %hash<names> = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for |%hash<names> -> $name { say "My name is $name" } 02:45
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim␤My name is bob␤My name is joe␤»
gfldex sammers: also ^^^
sammers ah, thanks. I like that better
BenGoldberg_ m: my %hash; %hash<names> = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for %hash<names> -> $name { say "My name is $name" } 02:47
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim bob joe␤»
BenGoldberg_ m: my %hash; %hash<names> = ['jim', 'bob', 'joe']; for %hash<names> -> $name { say "My name is $name" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim bob joe␤»
gfldex coercing into Array is only needed if you intend to change the content.
BenGoldberg_ Hmm...
gfldex m: my %hash; %hash<names> = ['jim', 'bob', 'joe']; %hash<names>.WHAT.say
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«(Array)␤»
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gfldex Array in the sense of $array, not @array 02:48
BenGoldberg_ Why is the | needed?
gfldex m: my %hash; %hash<names> = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for @(%hash<names>) -> $name { say "My name is $name" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim␤My name is bob␤My name is joe␤»
BenGoldberg_ I thought that, post GLR, a single item, which happened to be an array, would get automatically dereffed? 02:49
gfldex the Slip does iterator magic that will decend into the inner List automatically
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gfldex it will get dereffed if you stick it into an Array container. Neither for nor $name will provide an Array container. 02:50
BenGoldberg_ m: my $test = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for $test -> $name { say "My name is $name" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«WARNINGS for <tmp>:␤Useless use of constant string "joe" in sink context (lines 1, 1)␤Useless use of constant string "bob" in sink context (lines 1, 1)␤My name is jim␤»
BenGoldberg_ m: my $test = ['jim', 'bob', 'joe']; for $test -> $name { say "My name is $name" }
nebg hello everyone... which are the main differences between perl6 and ruby ?
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim bob joe␤»
gfldex m: my $test = ('jim', 'bob', 'joe'); for $test -> $name { say "My name is $name" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim bob joe␤»
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gfldex nebg: could you ask a question that doesn't take 2 hours to answer? 02:51
BenGoldberg_ m: my $test = ['jim', 'bob', 'joe']; for $test -> $a, $b, $c { say "a is $a, b is $b, c is $c" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«Too few positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
BenGoldberg_ m: my $test = ['jim', 'bob', 'joe']; for @$test -> $a, $b, $c { say "a is $a, b is $b, c is $c" } 02:52
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«a is jim, b is bob, c is joe␤»
gfldex m: my $test = ['jim', 'bob', 'joe']; for $test -> [$a, $b, $c] { say "a is $a, b is $b, c is $c" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«a is jim, b is bob, c is joe␤»
BenGoldberg_ m: my $test = ['jim', 'bob', 'joe']; for |$test -> $a, $b, $c { say "a is $a, b is $b, c is $c" }
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«a is jim, b is bob, c is joe␤»
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dalek c/GT#155: 3aa0ecb | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | htmlify.p6:
- rewrite output filenames

  - write list of links into html/links.txt		 03:22
c/GT#155: 45b9d06 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/ (4 files):
Merge branch 'master' into GT#155
c/GT#155: c7e0805 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | / (2 files):
- move escape-filename to support module
c/GT#155: 901db16 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | lib/Pod/Htmlify.pm6:
unescape some uri-escaped bits before filename-escaping
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gfldex searching for / // $/ and other nasties works in that branch. Needs plenty of testing tho. I may be able to test all links via javascript -- after I got some sleep. 03:24
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travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/144351087 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/3aa0e...1db16f1a40
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dalek sectbot: b2e0c1f | (Daniel Green)++ | / (3 files):
First rough attempt at factoring out some common functionality
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bisectbot: e856b32 | (Daniel Green)++ | / (3 files):
bisectbot: Combine STDOUT and STDERR
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dalek c/GT#155: da91db8 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | / (2 files):
make L<IO::Spec> work with filename-rewrite
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nebg gfldex, ahahah XD sorry 03:45
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dalek c/GT#155: 62ab028 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | htmlify.p6:
rewrite urls in search.js
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer 'make L<IO::Spec> work with filename-rewrite' 03:59
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/144353354 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/901db...91db81ac22
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gfldex BrokenRobot: AlexDaniel: if you got the time please test branch GT#155 locally. All problems with search, filenames on windows beside disambiguation files (WHAT.html _and_ what.html) are solved. 04:05
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dalek sectbot: 5e6290f | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | Perl6IRCBotable.pm:
We still need rev-list to handle tags

And we probably still need rev-parse for a basic input validation		 04:08
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masak hi, #perl6 05:10
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SHODAN hej masak 05:22
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moritz \o SHODAN, masak, * 07:17
SHODAN morning
timotimo greetings y'all
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moritz good morning timotimo 07:20
DrForr We have someone rated shodan here? Wow. 07:26
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timotimo rated? 07:27
DrForr It's a rating in Go. (the game, not the language.) 07:28
timotimo oh, i did not know that 07:29
i only knew shodan from system shock so far
DrForr And I didn't know about system shock. (not much of a gamer, I'm afraid.) 07:30
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DrForr scontent.fomr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t...e=582BA7D7 07:32
timotimo anything special about the game on the board? 07:34
i mean, the particular state the game is in
SHODAN hm 07:35
十段 07:37
DrForr It's an endgame, without being able to see the bowl lids I think Pikachu is ahead by 4 or 5 stones. 07:40
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holyghost Hello 07:50
perl6 "needs" a 3D kit such as panda3d for python, although perl6 is preliminary 07:51
Probably there doesn't exist a package for this 07:52
You can probably bind the C++ of panda3d
e.g. I am not going to do it
The window system are legion 07:53
DrForr perl6 "needs" a lot of things. It also needs volunteers.
holyghost s/ssystem/systems/
moritz holyghost: you can probably use panda3d with Inline::Python in Perl 6
holyghost ah ok
So there is parrot in there 07:54
moritz native would be nicer, but orders of magnitude more work
holyghost: no, parrot is dead
DrForr There's Inline::Python, don't confuse it with parrot.
holyghost ok
moritz holyghost: we run Perl 6 on MoarVM, and Inline::Python uses python's C API through our FFI library
which is totally cool, and you should check it out!
see docs.perl6.org/language/nativecall.html 07:55
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moritz uhm, since when do we have redirect to .html extensions on doc.perl6.org? :( 07:55
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moritz seems we don't 07:55
docs.perl6.org/language/nativecall
I'm just dazed and confused, as always 07:56
holyghost so is it Python.h based ?
moritz well, it doesn't read the header file, but it does use the functions declared in that header file 07:57
holyghost ok 07:58
It looks like a long way to go for having bindings 07:59
Documentation is somewhat obscure
Then again we only exit for 6 months
s/sexit/exists/
moritz #pexit!
holyghost: what part do you find obsucre? 08:00
holyghost Well, the bridge to Python.h or other header files is not staright-on
I understand the CStruct system 08:01
moritz holyghost: you *can* just use Inline::Python
it's just a different layer of interface
holyghost ok
moritz it also doesn't auto-generated classes based on header files, but that's not an issue with the documentation
(I think there are modules that attempt that)
holyghost ok, but maybe Inline::Python should be documented 08:02
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holyghost If only I had the time to bind in a good 3D engine as a game developer I am 08:03
timotimo gptrixie is the module that turns .h files into p6 code that uses nativecall
Inline::Python isn't part of perl6, it's a module from the community 08:04
DrForr Inline::Python has docs, last time I checked.
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timotimo therefore, you won't find docs for it on doc.perl6.org, nor should you be able to 08:04
(my 2ct)
holyghost right
Something I don't know is the C++ bindings, they're in Inline moduel too ? 08:05
s/moduel/module/
I just really hope the modules.perl.org stays stable for win32 and linux, 08:06
moritz the docs for NativeCall do mention them, though only briefly
they're rather experimental
holyghost that's what I know too
moritz in general, binding to C++ code through a FFI is a rather sketchy business, because the name mangling that C++ compilers use is implementation specific 08:07
you get much robuster results from writing a slim C wrapper around the C++ and build your FFI around that C wrapper
holyghost I understand somewhat, should they be "extern C"-d ?
moritz yes 08:08
holyghost ok
that's what I thought
C++ is always a bad backend
unless you know how to program the thing
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holyghost There's no search for 'ython' or Inline on docsperl.org 08:10
ah right, it is an outside module
moritz modules.perl6.org/#q=ython 08:11
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holyghost Would it be possible to load panda3d (3D lib) with perl6 ? 08:14
FYI, panda3d and panda clashes names
DrForr You can write your own binding with NativeCall, of course.
holyghost moritz, ok, thanks for the link 08:15
timotimo ah, yeah, panda3d installs a binary named "panda" in the system
holyghost rakudo <-> naruto 08:16
I almost misread that one :-)
naruto is a beatemup game
panda3d is CMU, so it shouldn't be too stupid to include 08:17
With a choice of 3D engines on the go 08:18
pffffft, I might have a look at it
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holyghost I'd have to contact Larry to have the greater hive mind decide what we want as a 3D engine, althgouh options are ok 08:19
:-)
Please do not do the GL, for it is old and uncantanerous 08:20
timotimo at this very moment, perl6 is a poor choice for game dev, as it's not performant enough for anything at 60 fps 08:21
holyghost I made a 2D game with it with SDL2::Raw
timotimo me, too
i made the stuff you can find in examples/
holyghost ah ok 08:22
I need to make e.g. xpm point buffers still
s/point/pixel/
It's great stuff in perl6
thanks
I used the key bindings from there 08:23
%down_keys IIRC
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holyghost Anyway I am working on a simple 3D game in panda3D tomorrow, I just wanted to help out the perl6 crew 08:25
The point is I am not too good in perl6, NativeCall and so on
timotimo cool 08:26
holyghost I think I don't copy your arguments about Inline::Python
e.g. the pm6 file could be doced, I read on the mailing lists they just got into pod6
timotimo what got into pod6? 08:27
holyghost I don't remember, read the perl6-X mailing lists
old tome perl pods
s/tome/time
timotimo i don't follow 08:28
holyghost well, there's just talk for pod6
IIRC manpages for example 08:29
timotimo ah, yes. we don't have pod2man yet
and that was deemed necessary, because rakudo needs a man page for the "perl6" command
holyghost indeed 08:30
Then people can search google for man perl6 1 and so on :-)
which is a Good Thing *lol* 08:31
timotimo maybe the best documentation for Inline::Python is its tests, but i seem to recall there were some slides nine made about that module 08:34
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holyghost_ oops disconnected cable 08:35
re and os on
timotimo i just wrote: "maybe the best documentation for Inline::Python is its tests, but i seem to recall there were some slides nine made about that module"
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holyghost Doesn't build here (LibraryMake) 08:39
I am going AFK for a a time, bbl 08:40
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holyghost Does it make sens to report panda errors for 2016.01 ? 08:49
s/sens/sense
stable rakudo windows 08:50
nine DrForr: Inline::Python's docs are....lacking :) 08:51
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DrForr Yeah, I was just checking into that. 08:53
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holyghost My system doesn;t seem to be able to build Inline::Python 09:04
linux and windows stable rakudo
I've sent some email to perl6-compiler 09:05
holyghost curses
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holyghost Then I cannot do anythong for panda3d until your hive mind finds something 09:06
holyghost is a lost soul now
pmurias holyghost: re what we want as a game engine, there won't be an *official* Perl 6 game engine 09:07
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holyghost_ *drink* *girls* 09:09
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holyghost Thanks a lot #perl6 09:13
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holyghost I bought 'The Police - greatest hits' on iTunes a few hours ago' 09:16
Everything is polcified somehow
s/somehow/somehow now/ 09:17
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holyghost It'd be my main music man 09:17
I have this iPhone 4 around you see 09:18
s/around/sitting around/
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holyghost *k-pow* 09:18
foritying k-rads in civilization 09:19
holyghost is a bit drunk
freeciv is the way to go
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ufobat hey hey :D 09:32
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tbrowder mornin' #perl6 10:09
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tbrowder IMHO ref docs: I see a need for a table of operators. The current list is not so bad but it is too much detail and not organized for someone new to p6 or someone who is looking for a particular operator. 10:17
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tbrowder ref docs oper table: The operator table should at least have the unicode symbol in the first column, then the Texas variant in the second column, then the type (prefix, infix, etc.), then the name, then maybe a SHORT example and a link to a full description and one or more good examples. 10:23
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moritz tbrowder: sounds sensible 10:30
tbrowder moritz: off the top of your head, is there a single place in the code to grep out a list for a start? 10:35
or i guess one could start with the existing table...
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timotimo you can grep through CORE:: for things starting with & and having <, «, << in its name 10:40
arnsholt Alternatively, /fix:/ should get most of them as well, I think 10:41
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tbrowder good ideas, thanks 10:46
jnthn Also you can grep for /token \s+ < infix prefix postfix > ':'/ in src/Perl6/Grammar.nqp 10:52
Which will catch thunk-y operators too
tbrowder jnthn: roger 10:56
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holyghost ok, no more panda3d for me, I'll use the xcode game starter code 11:24
holyghost ponders on panda3d 11:49
gfldex tbrowder: did you see the following (outdated) table? www.ozonehouse.com/mark/periodic/ 11:54
tbrowder gfldex: yes, but I forgot about it--thanks! 12:08
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BrokenRobot bisect: say ^10 .grep: { last if * > 2 } 12:11
bisectable BrokenRobot: exit code is 0 on both starting points, bisecting by using the output
BrokenRobot: (2016-03-18) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/6d120ca
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TimToady m: my %hash; %hash<names> = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for %hash<names>[] -> $name { say "My name is $name" } 12:13
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim␤My name is bob␤My name is joe␤»
TimToady sammers: ^^^ I usually prefer the postfix "Zen" slice for that purpose, to preserve left-to-right-ness
m: my %hash; %hash<names> = 'jim', 'bob', 'joe'; for %hash<names>.list -> $name { say "My name is $name" } 12:14
camelia rakudo-moar 303e77: OUTPUT«My name is jim␤My name is bob␤My name is joe␤»
TimToady that also works, doesn't have to be an Array cast, which is a bit more wasteful than converting to a list
(the Zen slice really just calls .list underneath, iirc) 12:15
maybe we should rename panda to p6nda or so 12:16
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perlpilot
.oO( Perl 6 Non Disclosure Agreement? )
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DrForr someone pointed out that panda3d was a game library, hence the notion. 12:34
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holyghost DrForr, it's a 3D library, and naruto <-> rakudo 12:36
Python and C++
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DrForr When I've got some free time I mean to finish kicking the Vulkan library into shape so I can bind to it. I've worked w/ OpenGL before and think it'd be interesting, but other projects intervene. 12:37
As they always do. 12:38
holyghost k, we do need a modules.perl6.org 3D too eventually
holyghost concurs
DrForr Patches welcome :)
holyghost *lol* 12:39
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holyghost GL is too old for that in module SDL 12:39
module SDL2::Raw is just SDL2, I do not know much about it though 12:41
dalek c/GT#155: 412f6c0 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | template/search_template.js:
cheat # into index
c/GT#155: f382bbc | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | lib/Pod/Htmlify.pm6:
add caching for link-rewrite
c/GT#155: 481cb5b | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | template/search_template.js:
cheat #` into index
DrForr Vulkan is the engine underlying the release of Doom IV or whatever number they're up to by now, it was a big splash a month or so ago, or at least as much of a splash as those things get. 12:46
holyghost I am just curious, is it shifted Quake (id.com) ? 12:47
timotimo vulkan isn't an engine, though
gfldex DrForr: actually, Doom didn't come with Vulkan support see www.bluesnews.com/s/173036/doom-ad...an-support
holyghost reads it 12:48
BrokenRobot holyghost: they had a demo video available a couple of days before release: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y3LaLJoo0s 12:49
DrForr Very well, allow me to correct my claim to "I saw that some flashy new game used it rather than Direct3D and thought it would make a nice addition, since it was supposed to be the next OpenGL."
holyghost Iam not following, what did the Khronos crew do ? 12:50
DrForr Sigh, I refer all interested to the Wikipedia entry. I'm trying to finish a Perl6::Tidy, so it's on the proverbial back burner for the moment in *any* case. 12:51
dalek c: 3aa0ecb | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | htmlify.p6:
- rewrite output filenames

  - write list of links into html/links.txt		 12:52
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holyghost ok 12:53
gfldex what dalek tried to tell us is, that I just merged the branch that fixes search for $/ and other tricky URLs 12:54
if docs.perl6.org stops working in 20min or so, it's all my fault
holyghost probably we need something GL for crowders but I see SDL coming for that if the module maintainer wants it 12:55
In SDL it's just a flag variable which gets loade so you can load GL syntax 12:56
it's a SDL software backend
gfldex them Doom folk say they got 26% better fps with vulkan, what is a big jump 12:57
DrForr That's what got my attention, and again I happen to like the OpenGL API. Not to mention, it would give me a chance to actually put Math::Quaternion to some actual work. 12:59
holyghost gfldex, I would support both
DrForr, coolnes
DrForr (not that I'm the author... I did want to do more with it though...)
holyghost say Quartz 13:00
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holyghost Quartz is mac GL, mesa and OpenGL is windows/linux GL 13:02
opengel.org 13:03
s/opengel.org/opengl.org/
featuritis there would be cool
DrForr I remember something of Quartz back when OS X was just coming out. Seemed like Quickdraw GX on steroids at the time. 13:04
brrt still has a wasted video card because of stubbornly refusing to run nvidia drivers
DrForr brrt: That's why I ended up with a SteamOS VM :) 13:05
holyghost DrForr, I had a G3 mack then but I ran debian on it
brrt what, on earth, is that
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holyghost Is it possible with th current rakudo thing to build seperate binaries per OS ? 13:06
BrokenRobot holyghost: of rakudo or of your script?
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holyghost BrokenRobot, rakudo (panda) 13:07
brrt that probably depends on the operating system independence of the moarvm or jar bytecode files
holyghost moarvm I mean
brrt frankly, i'm not sure if that has been tested
holyghost so it needs tuning 13:08
brrt it ought to be; i know there's been work in moarvm to make the files more cross-platform by not relying on endianess
holyghost sure
brrt and you'll need some scripting to make different versions (runners) probably
holyghost brrt, the thing is you can rely on frameworks in macos x
brrt there's been talk of doing a fakexecutable / self-contained rakudo 13:09
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holyghost raagh, perl5 13:09
brrt holyghost: can you elaborate? i'm not familiar with mac os x library structure 13:10
holyghost modules.perl6.org needs to be
brrt, you need to plug in into macos x with rakudo then
different C API 13:11
the headers exist to make a Quartz GL for Perl6
brrt i'm still not sure i understand what you mean :-)
holyghost s/headers/C headers/
BrokenRobot holyghost: are you drunk again? :)
holyghost sure I am, 5 pints only :-)
brrt, do not worry about it :-) 13:12
BrokenRobot holyghost: tsk tsk. I thought you were gonna switch to coffee as the drug of choice :)
holyghost machine's too slow
I run a powerpc mac you know :-)
brrt, I am a bit drunk sometimes, I explain 13:13
It's sugar in the morning habit to code
you shouldn't rely on beer but you do need to drink sugar to hack
brrt, do not worry about it
brrt well, ehm, caffeine works for me usually 13:14
holyghost that's great
I only try to help out
I am going to look into panda3d apps then I make it tot the perl6 crew's 3D system
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holyghost rivendel:~/perl6 bubble$ ./get_rakudo.sh 2016 04 13:18
BrokenRobot That's ancient :) 13:19
dalek c: 8774321 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/typesystem.pod6:
fix open C<>
holyghost ancient is me *lol* 13:22
I need these 2 daughters to have a WiiU softwise :-)
It's all paid for of course :-) 13:23
The only problem is that they only have a dell latitude to play games an ipad of my father 13:24
Mom's not into games really :-)
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BrokenRobot There's a bug in the RT queue about "unit sub MAIN". Does anyone know the ID? I'm failing to find it 13:26
holyghost So I need to hook up libwiiu into perl6 13:29
it's on github wiiudev
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holyghost I am dowloading panda3d on a 10.5 mac, I'll see what it can do 13:34
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BrokenRobot screw it. Can't find that ticket, but I only wanted it for a blog post. So never mind 13:44
holyghost coolnes
Maybe I can get a rakudo on PowerPC mac to work 13:45
I'll probably post the binary to [email@hidden.address] if I succeed 13:46
holyghost is compiling
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holyghost 66 12.2M 66 8371k 0 0 4887 0 0:43:42 0:29:13 0:14:29 4600 13:47
thanks a lot for those archwizard systems *lol* 13:48
fer anybody 13:49
re 9
holyghost needs to buy another iBook G4 second hand 13:50
arnsholt Amazon has my tastes nailed down: One of the suggestions is "The Associated Press Guide to Punctuation" 13:56
Which I had no idea was a thing, and totally sounds fascinating =D =D =D
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takadonet morning everyone 14:05
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BrokenRobot \o 14:06
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BrokenRobot corefacility... sounds important :) 14:07
takadonet Trying to get this example of using inline::python and matplotlib to work but it seems that it's ignorning all named parameters . Anyone have an idea what I am doing wrong? gist.github.com/Takadonet/03d91395...dfe80885d2
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BrokenRobot As a sidenote: explode=>$explode can be written much shorter as :$explode 14:09
takadonet: the *@ only gets positional arguments. *% gets positional ones 14:12
s:2nd/positonal/named/;
In your fallback method
m: class { method FALLBACK ($name, *@pos) { say "$name {@pos};" }}.new.meow: 1, 2, 3, :foo, :42bar 14:14
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«meow 1 2 3;␤»
BrokenRobot m: class { method FALLBACK ($name, *@pos, *%named) { say "$name {@pos};\n{%named}" }}.new.meow: 1, 2, 3, :foo, :42bar 14:15
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«meow 1 2 3;␤bar 42␤foo True␤»
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takadonet so I should make my fallback a multi and include the header to have *%x as well? 14:15
BrokenRobot takadonet: it doesn't need to be a multi. *% is slurpy and will simply be empty if there are no positionals.
You just need to merge it with the args in *@ when you call the python function (I've no idea how that would look like) 14:16
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dalek c: d709afd | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/syntax.pod6:
show namespaces for identifiers
 14:26
c: ef6ebad | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/packages.pod6:
add ::,packages to index
tbrowder travis doc build problem: see gist gist.github.com/tbrowder/025a09fb8...1788b73a2d 14:30
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tbrowder gdflex: I'm trying to add specs/S26*.pod6 to the main docs and it looks like some features aren't handled (# in numbering, for one). I don't know yet where the problem really is, but I have to be away for a few hours. Any ideas would be helpful for later today. 14:32
gfldex tbrowder: numbered item lists are not supported by Pod::To::HTML because there is no way to reset the counters. 14:33
tbrowder: what results that you can't have more then one numbered item list per .pod file
BrokenRobot IIRC some of the stuff is NIY in Rakudo. There's a note on design.perl6.org for S26 spec: "(HTML rendering of S26 is known to be incomplete)"
gfldex tbrowder: Pod::To::HTML is a tangled mess that I wont touch before I got .parent in Pod::Block. 14:34
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japhb If I've got a ragged AoA (in this case representing columns of text, each split into lines) that I want to zip into rows (so each row of the zipped array contains one line from each column), but I want to continue zipping to the *longest* array member, rather than shortest (missing values can just be e.g. the default value for each subarray), what's the current idiom? 14:40
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moritz japhb: iirc we have an extra function for that, roundrobin 14:45
m: say roundrobin(<a b c>, <a b>)
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«((a a) (b b) (c))␤»
moritz m: say roundrobin(<a b c>, <a b>, <a b c d>) 14:46
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«((a a a) (b b b) (c c) (d))␤»
japhb moritz: That's missing the markers showing the empty spots
moritz hm, that's likely not what you want
japhb yeah
(I tried that one already. ;-) )
moritz in that case, you either have to fill the arrays, or do a manual operation
japhb moritz: I was afraid you were going to say that. Ah well 14:47
moritz m: @aoa = [<a b c>], [<a b>]; say zip(@aoa.map(*.push(Any xx*)).head(@aoa.map(*.elems).max) 14:48
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '@aoa' is not declared␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3<BOL>7⏏5@aoa = [<a b c>], [<a b>]; say zip(@aoa.␤»
perlpilot find the length of longest (call it $n), then do something like @a[^$n] Z @b[^$n]
moritz m: my @aoa = [<a b c>], [<a b>]; say zip(@aoa.map(*.push(Any xx*)).head(@aoa.map(*.elems).max)
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')' ␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3sh(Any xx*)).head(@aoa.map(*.elems).max)7⏏5<EOL>␤»
moritz m: my @aoa = [<a b c>], [<a b>]; say zip(@aoa.map(*.push(Any xx*))).head: @aoa.map(*.elems).max
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«((a a) (b b) (c (...)))␤»
japhb perlpilot: Workable idea for two columns, but what about N?
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perlpilot japhb: that's left as an exercise for the reader ;) 14:49
BrokenRobot :D
japhb perlpilot: :-P :-D
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perlpilot japhb: btw, your question was an excellent one. It mayn't be a FAQ, but it's something I could have seen myself asking at some point. 14:49
moritz m: my @aoa = [<a b c>], [<a b>]; my $max = @aoa.map(*.elems).max; say zip(@aoa.map: { .push: Any xx $max - .elems }) 14:50
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«((a a) (b b) (c ((Any))))␤»
japhb perlpilot: I try. ;-)
moritz: Ooh, that's getting close
moritz m: my @aoa = [<a b>], [<a b c>], [<a b c d>]; my $max = @aoa.map(*.elems).max; say zip(@aoa.map: { .push: Any xx $max - .elems })
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«((a a a) (b b b) (((Any) (Any)) c c))␤»
japhb D'oh
psch m: my @a = [1,2,3], <a b c d>; my @b = do gather { take @a[*;$_] for ^(@a>>.elems.max) }; say @b.perl
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«[(1, "a"), (2, "b"), (3, "c"), (Any, "d")]␤»
moritz psch++ 14:51
japhb psch: ^H^H++
psch spurious "do", i think though
japhb heh, damn lag
moritz m: my @a = [1,2,3], <a b c d>; my @b = gather for ^(@a>>.elems.max) {take @a[*;$_] }
camelia ( no output )
moritz m: my @a = [1,2,3], <a b c d>; my @b = gather for ^(@a>>.elems.max) {take @a[*;$_] }; say @b
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«[(1 a) (2 b) (3 c) ((Any) d)]␤»
psch m: my @a = [1,2,3], <a b c d>; my @b = gather for ^(@a[].max) {take @a[*;$_] }; say @b # but golfed 14:53
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«[(1 a) (2 b) (3 c) ((Any) d)]␤»
psch *bit
japhb psch++ again
psch although >>.elems.max is way more explicit :) 14:54
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perlpilot m: my @aoa = [<a b>], [<a b c>], [<a b c d>]; $max = @aoa.map(*.elems).max; say zip @aoa.map(*.[^$max]); # curious 14:54
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Variable '$max' is not declared. Did you mean '&max'?␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3@aoa = [<a b>], [<a b c>], [<a b c d>]; 7⏏5$max = @aoa.map(*.elems).max; say zip @a␤»
japhb True. Though there's an evil part of me that likes the golfed one almost *because* you have to think about it. :-) 14:55
perlpilot m: my @aoa = [<a b>], [<a b c>], [<a b c d>]; my $max = @aoa.map(*.elems).max; say zip @aoa.map(*.[^$max]); # curious
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«((a a a) (b b b) ((Any) c c) ((Any) (Any) d))␤»
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japhb perlpilot++ # Found a generalization after all 14:55
perlpilot japhb++ for getting #perl6 to do lots of work for you ;) 14:56
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hoelzro o/ #perl6! 14:57
japhb perlpilot: Now we just need to think of a name for this operation and add it to the setting. :-) 14:58
moray_ Hello...I have perl6 installed with following versions (This is Rakudo version 2016.01.1 built on MoarVM version 2016.01). Can I upgrade with a perl6 command or do I download and install that way?
japhb moray_: Installed how? 14:59
(your current version)
dalek c: 5ccce6c | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6:
fix typo in example
moray_ I think I downloaded it and built it...follwoing something like this...perl6maven.com/tutorial/perl6-installing-rakudo. It was a while ago 15:00
perlpilot japhb: indeed. It's transpose-with-holes, but that name probably won't stick :)
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japhb zip-ragged, zip-longest, transpose-ragged 15:00
perlpilot maybe we just need transpose with some modifiers; @aoa.transpose(:ragged) 15:01
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perlpilot (@aoa.transpose without the modifier would fail if @aoa was ragged) 15:02
japhb moray_: You should be able to do that again. Or use rakudobrew, which is easier if you just want a working version you can keep up to date, instead of wanting to hack on the core
perlpilot: nodnod
Now that the method cache allows named args ... 15:03
psch m: my @a = [1,2,3], <a b c d>; my @b = do @a[*;$_] for ^@a[].max ; say @b # don't even need gather/take 15:04
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«[(1 a) (2 b) (3 c) ((Any) d)]␤»
psch though the simple map call is definitely neater, perlpilot++
japhb psch++ # Mad skillz
psch eh, had i those i wouldn't have reached for gather/take in the first place :S
moray_ Ok, thanks...will look into rakudobrew 15:05
japhb Right, because all the rest of us thought of @a[*;$]. ;-)
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BrokenRobot New blog post "A Date With The Bug Queue or Let Me Help You Help Me Help You": perl6.party/post/A-Date-With-The-Bu...e-Help-You 15:09
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hoelzro BrokenRobot++ 15:10
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dogbert17 o/ #perl6 15:39
.seen moritz 15:40
yoleaux I saw moritz 14:51Z in #perl6: <moritz> m: my @a = [1,2,3], <a b c d>; my @b = gather for ^(@a>>.elems.max) {take @a[*;$_] }; say @b
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dogbert17 I have scribbled together some docs for Str.samemark, does anyone have a few sec to review it? gist.github.com/dogbert17/3224c429...175dfafabe 15:41
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perlpilot dogbert17++ I'd want more information about the pattern as it's not clear how it interacts with the string, but that's a good start. 15:49
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dogbert17 perlpilot: thx for looking, I'll see what I can do, would appreciate a suggestion tho :) 15:52
perlpilot dogbert17: aye, I'm thinking about it.
gimme a sec
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perlpilot dogbert17: Change the first sentence to: Returns a copy of C<$string> with the mark/accent information for each character changed such that it matches the mark/accent of the corresponding character in C<$pattern>. 15:54
though I'm not sure that "matches" is entirely clear. But maybe it's just me.
anyway .. dogbert17++ 15:56
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dogbert17 perlpilot: gist has been updated 15:57
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dogbert17 zoffix++ (blog post) 15:58
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dalek c: 4445eef | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Str.pod6:
Added docs for Str.samemark. perlpilot++
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AlexDaniel m: say ‘abcdefghijkclmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890’.samemark(‘ẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑẑ’) 16:23
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«âb̂ĉd̂êf̂ĝĥîĵk̂ĉl̂m̂n̂ôp̂q̂r̂ŝt̂ûv̂ŵx̂ŷẑ1̂2̂3̂4̂5̂6̂7̂8̂9̂0̂␤»
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timotimo btw, people, the profiler will now no longer report craptonnes of BOOTHash allocations, so the profiles ought to be a lot closer to the unprofiled run in terms of run time and GC behavior 16:23
AlexDaniel yaaay 16:24
m: say ‘a’.samemark(‘’)
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«Cannot unbox a type object␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel LTA-ish
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[Coke] isn't even a type object there. 16:25
psch m: "".comb.shift 16:26
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«Method 'shift' not found for invocant of class 'Seq'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel sure, just what are the chances that someone is going to use an empty string there
psch m: (@="".comb).shift
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«Cannot shift from an empty Array␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel I'll rakudobug it anyway but it is one of those “who cares” bugs
dogbert17 AlexDaniel++ 16:27
AlexDaniel m: say ‘ ’.samemark(‘öńẑ’)
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT« ̈ ́ ̂␤»
dogbert17 one possibly odd thing with samemark, the sub is declared as multi but not the method 16:28
TimToady m: say ‘abcdefghijkclmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890’.samemark(‘ẑ’) 16:29
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«âb̂ĉd̂êf̂ĝĥîĵk̂ĉl̂m̂n̂ôp̂q̂r̂ŝt̂ûv̂ŵx̂ŷẑ1̂2̂3̂4̂5̂6̂7̂8̂9̂0̂␤»
AlexDaniel oh
TimToady m: say ‘abcdefghijkclmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890’.samemark(‘ẑ ’) 16:30
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«âbcdefghijkclmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890␤»
TimToady to get the other thing
we assume that actual accent marks are unlikely to use this mechanism, but the marks that can use it usefully will tend to want to repeat, like strike-throughs and such 16:32
dogbert17 interesting, so strike-through is a sort of accent then? 16:33
TimToady m: say ‘abcdefghijkclmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890’.samemark(‘o̶’)
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«a̶b̶c̶d̶e̶f̶g̶h̶i̶j̶k̶c̶l̶m̶n̶o̶p̶q̶r̶s̶t̶u̶v̶w̶x̶y̶z̶1̶2̶3̶4̶5̶6̶7̶8̶9̶0̶␤»
dogbert17 cool
timotimo timtoady went on strike today
dogbert17 so it seems :) 16:34
jnthn m: say .chars, .codes given ‘abcdefghijkclmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890’.samemark(‘o̶’) # curious
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«3774␤»
dogbert17 hmm, maybe I should add this strike-through example to the docs
TimToady you have an extra c in the middle, hence 37 16:35
jnthn Oh... :)
Though I was more curious how many in there were precomposed :)
TimToady I don't think htere are any
jnthn m: say .codes, .chars given ‘o̶’ 16:36
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«21␤»
jnthn Yeah, even that one ain't :)
TimToady my program always use o for the base character anyway
jnthn m: say ‘o̶’.uninames
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«(LATIN SMALL LETTER O COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY)␤»
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timotimo O COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY, HOW BEAUTIFUL ART THINE LEAVES 16:37
jnthn m: say "\c[CAT FACE]\c[COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY]" # stroking the cat, the Unicode way :P
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«🐱̶␤»
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AlexDaniel is seeing stroked ␤ character :( 16:43
geekosaur "yay" rendering bugs
TimToady it should look better, or at least righter, in the browser 16:44
geekosaur (in my client, it's slightly offset, looks like the cat has its tongue stuck out toward the NL 16:45
AlexDaniel that's how it looks like in the browser. In emacs I see two characters side by side…
TimToady yeah, browser is wrong too here (ff)
jnthn Chrome also
Odd
[Coke] ... I think it's funny that you think unicode rendering bugs are odd. :) 16:46
moritz say " \c[COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY] "
jnthn Just curious how consistent the bug is :)
[Coke] aren't they de rigueur?
moritz m: say " \c[COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY] "
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT« ̶ ␤»
TimToady well, it's really two bugs in the browser, not only is it misplaced, but it seems to have width 16:47
moritz it should be over the first space, right?
TimToady correct
moritz my terminal shows it over the second
TimToady usually the browser does better than the terminal, but in this case it's worse 16:48
timotimo impressive
moritz reminds me of the one time I tried stretched text along a curve in SVG, and got three different and wrong rendering in three different engines 16:49
timotimo \o/
the most futurest of technologies 16:50
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moritz perlgeek.de/blog-en/misc/fun-and-n...h-svg.html 16:50
ok, that was 2009
[Coke] timotimo: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNkx9splAQ
timotimo that sounds so weird in that short snippet 16:51
i don't understand, why, though
moritz muhaha, today my firefox renders it as Opera did in 2009: with the text scaled, but the path not visible 16:52
and Chromium does it as inkview did in 2009
and inkview is unchanged 16:53
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comptezero it's possible to call perl6/jvm from java ? 18:36
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timotimo yeah, but maybe not the way you want it to 18:37
check out the "evalserver" we have
we use that to make spec tests finish before the heat death of the universe
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comptezero i whan to call perl6 function/method from java servlet for example! 18:39
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[Coke] I dont' think we have any docs on how to do that, and the jvm backend is not 100% at this point. 18:48
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[Coke] so, if you want to pursue it, you may end up hitting a lot of rough edges at this point. 18:48
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comptezero it's to use scripting language embeded in java 18:49
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comptezero and i prefer coding in perl than python (jpython) or ruby (jruby).... 18:50
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comptezero it's in nqp code ? her : github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/s...erver.java ? 18:52
geekosaur I thought it was more than just rough edges? (specifically I thought the generated jvm code uses a different calling convention from anything else running on the jvm?) 18:58
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Frameless gfldex: were you able to solve the problem of chaining these custom ternaries? gfldex.wordpress.com/2016/07/05/2-2-3/ 19:05
I wanted to write Operator::CustomTernary, but the chaining issue set it on backburner. To me it looked like the only way to go is with slangs. 19:06
gfldex Frameless: i didn't try to chain them yet.
Frameless m: sub infix:<?> ($,$) {}; sub infix:<:> ($,$) {}; say True ? 1 : 2 19:07
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unsupported use of ? and : for the ternary conditional operator; in Perl 6 please use ?? and !!␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3) {}; sub infix:<:> ($,$) {}; say True ?7⏏5 1 : 2␤»
Frameless And this too set me back. 'cause original plan was to enable people to use the traditional ternary :)
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Frameless
.oO( sub ternary:<? :> ($, $, $) {...} )
 19:09
gfldex m: gist.github.com/gfldex/2b546491fbb...e4faab15e0 19:10
camelia rakudo-moar 66a592: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Confused␤at <tmp>:16␤------> 3say $falsish7⏏5 ? 'defined' ! 'undefined';␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ statemen…»
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[Coke] the eval server isn't going to help you call perl6 code from java. 19:12
it's a way for us to avoid the startup cost of the JVM, an dwe use it when we have several hundred test files to process.
gfldex Frameless: prefix:<?> could very well be special cased in the grammar. 19:14
ShimmerFairy I'd be surprised if ternary:<> was a category you could add too, though the error with two infixes is perhaps a bit more LTA. 19:15
gfldex it's not, defined in Bool.pm
i would be more concerned about a : in the middle of an expression. There are so many uses for it in Perl 6 already, it would hardly improve the code. 19:19
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El_Che If want to write a simple REST web app, preferrably something using the perl6 concurrency model, is there a consensus on a module to be used? I have looked at the modules directory, but I have no ide what's easy and yet mature/stable 19:23
Frameless El_Che: NOT Bailador, it can't do concurrency at the moment. 19:24
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Frameless El_Che: I think masak had good experience with HTTP::Server::Tiny 19:25
El_Che Frameless: thx 19:26
Frameless El_Che: oh, and Perl5's Mojolicious :) 19:27
El_Che that's the thing about microservices and docker. You can use an other lang on every project, but don't say it out loud :)
moritz also, iirc there's a PSGI thingy based on supplies; not sure how stable it is though 19:28
El_Che On Fosdem Daisuki Maki said there where still some locking issuing with perl's plack 19:29
Frameless You can use Mojolicious with Perl 6: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Ticket...bin/app.p6 It was a surprisingly smooth ride until I tried to marry Proc::Async with a websocket: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=128558
El_Che (crust) 19:30
There were perl6 core hackers in the room, so maybe it's fixed by now
lizmat El_Che: it's probably less now, but I'm afraid we didn't kill the last bugs in that area just yet :-( 19:31
s/less/less buggy/
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El_Che lizmat: thx for the info, liz <-- one of the perl6 hackers in the room :) 19:34
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fix broken link
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handle links with / in anchor part
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warn on bad chars in filename
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add make test-links
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gfldex what dalek forgot to tell you is that "warn on empty filename" fires 3x right now (from htmlify.p6) 19:59
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sortiz \o #perl6 20:35
timotimo yo 20:36
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lizmat sortiz o/ 20:37
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kyclark Can the lambda to "map" contain a signature? E.g., given a list like ((4 3) (1 2) (1 1)), can I create map that will add each of the lists? 21:58
m: ((4 3) (1 2) (1 1)).map: [$a, $b] -> $a + $b
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3((47⏏5 3) (1 2) (1 1)).map: [$a, $b] -> $a + $␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ statement mod…»
timotimo that's not exactly how you spell it 22:00
but almost
m: say ((4 3) (1 2) (1 1)).map: -> [$a, $b] { $a + $b }
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say ((47⏏5 3) (1 2) (1 1)).map: -> [$a, $b] { $a +␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ statement…»
timotimo m: say ((4 3), (1 2), (1 1)).map(-> [$a, $b] { $a + $b }) 22:01
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say ((47⏏5 3), (1 2), (1 1)).map(-> [$a, $b] { $a ␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ statement…»
timotimo m: say ((4, 3), (1, 2), (1, 1)).map(-> [$a, $b] { $a + $b })
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(7 3 2)␤»
kyclark m: my @n = (1,1), (1,2), (4,3); (for @n -> ($a, $b) { $a + $b })
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«WARNINGS for <tmp>:␤Useless use of "+" in expression "$a + $b" in sink context (line 1)␤»
kyclark Hmm, that works in my REPL
timotimo howevre, that'll be most easily spelled as >>+<<
er, no 22:02
i ought to go to bed
and my network connection just b0rked for a minute there
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ugexe probably because the REPL outputs the result so its not thought of as "useless" 22:03
hoelzro @n>>.[0] >>+<< @n>>.[1] would do the trick, I think
timotimo have a good one!
hoelzro night timotimo
timotimo oh he hoelzro
coming out of nowhere to snipe that :D
hoelzro ;)
timotimo you can get rid of the repeated @n with a given at the end, too
m: my @n = (1, 1), (1, 2), (4, 3); say .>>[0] >>+<< .>>[1] given @n
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Malformed postfix call (only alphabetic methods may be detached)␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3my @n = (1, 1), (1, 2), (4, 3); say .7⏏5>>[0] >>+<< .>>[1] given @n␤»
timotimo aaw 22:04
hoelzro you could also do Z+, I think
timotimo m: .>>[0] given (1, 2, 3)
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Malformed postfix call␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3.7⏏5>>[0] given (1, 2, 3)␤»
timotimo bisectable: .>>[0] given (1, 2, 3)
bisectable timotimo: no build for such “bad” revision. Right now the build process is in action, please try again later or specify some older “bad” commit (e.g. bad=HEAD~40)
timotimo bisectable: bad=HEAD~5 .>>[0] given (1, 2, 3) 22:05
bisectable timotimo: on both starting points the exit code is 1 and the output is identical as well
timotimo oh, is that so ...
oh well
commitable: help
how do i ...
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kyclark So I was on here a couple of days ago wondering how to do Hamming distance. My map question was just exploring signatures to solve that question, but the "Z+" made me think of "Zeq" which I just tried and which gives me exactly what I wanted. 22:06
hoelzro wonders if there's some insane invocation like &[>>+<<](|@n.unzip) that would do the job... 22:07
kyclark m: say 'foo'.comb Zeq 'boo'.comb
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(False True True)␤»
sortiz m: ((4, 3), (1, 2), (1, 1)).map({ [+] $_[] }).say
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(7 3 2)␤»
timotimo Zeq may not be correct if your lists aren't the same length
because it stops after the shorter of the lists is exhausted 22:08
kyclark Right, it only gives the shorter, so I have to combine it with abs($string1.chars - $string2.chars)
gfldex m: say 'foo'.comb >>eq<< 'boo'.comb
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(False True True)␤»
timotimo >>eq<< will throw an exception if the lists are not the same length, and turning the >> around lets you specify one or two sides that are allowed to be wrapped
and with that i'm off; with ro and dex you're in very good hands
gfldex o7 22:09
hoelzro good night for real this time, timotimo =)
kyclark say 'foo'.comb <<eq>> 'foobar'.comb
m: 'foo'.comb <<eq>> 'foobar'.comb
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camelia ( no output ) 22:09
kyclark m: say 'foo'.comb <<eq>> 'foobar'.comb
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(True True True False False False)␤»
kyclark That's the easiest yet!
timotimo it can give you wrong results, though
hoelzro hahahaha 22:10
kyclark Why?
timotimo m: say 'fo'.comb <<eq>> 'foooooooo'.comb
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(True True False True False True False True False)␤»
hoelzro you just can't stay away, can you timo? =P
gfldex m: say 'fao'.comb <<eq>> 'faobar'.comb
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(True True True False True False)␤»
timotimo i really can't ;(
kyclark m: say ('foo'.comb <<eq>> 'foobar'.comb).grep(* == False).elems
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«3␤»
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timotimo no need to grep for false, just sum it up 22:10
kyclark OK, I won't press. Still, cool stuff.
Really?
timotimo with [+] in front
gfldex m: say [+]('fao'.comb <<eq>> 'faobar'.comb) 22:11
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«4␤»
timotimo m: say Bool ~~ Int # ;)
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«True␤»
timotimo wait, sorry, you want the opposite %)
kyclark Woah. That's cool.
timotimo forcefully removes himself from the computer
hoelzro you could do [+] (1 xx * >>-<< @result) to get the inverse
kyclark m: say [+] 'foo'.comb <<ne>> 'foobarbaz'.comb 22:12
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«6␤»
hoelzro or use ne, hehe
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ugexe m: say StrDistance.new(before => "foo", after => "foobarbaz").Int 22:13
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«6␤»
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hoelzro TIL we have StrDistance 22:13
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hoelzro decommute & 22:14
gfldex not in roast, so you can't really see StrDistance
kyclark Yes, I was introduced to StrDistance the other day, but I'm trying to come up with a curriculum to teach programming to biologists. Finding the differences in strands of DNA is relevant, and I'd like to show how to use loops and operators on something they would find relevant.
gfldex you need to fill up the shorter list with a value that compares to false all the time 22:15
m: say [+]( ('fao'.comb, False xx *).flat Zeq 'faobar'.comb) 22:16
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«3␤»
gfldex m: say so 'a' eq False;
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«False␤»
gfldex m: say so '0' eq False; 22:17
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«False␤»
gfldex m: say so '0' eq False.Str;
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«False␤»
gfldex m: say False.Str 22:18
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«False␤»
gfldex m: say [+]( ('fao'.comb, '' xx *).flat Zeq 'faobar'.comb)
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«3␤»
kyclark Here's another point that's got me confused b/w List and Array.
gfldex that is should work all the time
kyclark m: say ((1,2), (3,4)).flat
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(1 2 3 4)␤»
kyclark m: my @n = (1,2), (3,4); say @n.flat
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«((1 2) (3 4))␤»
kyclark So, @n is an Array, which won't flatten? 22:19
gfldex that's not a matter of List and Array but List literal and Array container
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gfldex m: my @n = (1,2), (3,4); dd @n; dd @n.flat 22:20
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«Array @n = [(1, 2), (3, 4)]␤($(1, 2), $(3, 4)).Seq␤»
gfldex the @-sigil is one more level of listyness
kyclark m: my $n = ((1,2), (3,4)); say $n.flat 22:21
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(1 2 3 4)␤»
gfldex m: my @n = (1,2), (3,4); dd @n; dd @n.flat.flat
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«Array @n = [(1, 2), (3, 4)]␤($(1, 2), $(3, 4)).Seq␤»
kyclark Well, now I feel confused on when to use @ or $ for list-y things. 22:23
gfldex m: my @n = (1,2), (3,4); dd @n; dd @n.map({|$_});
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«Array @n = [(1, 2), (3, 4)]␤(1, 2, 3, 4).Seq␤»
gfldex m: my @n = ((1,2); (3,4)); dd @n; for @n -> @e { say |@e }; 22:27
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«Array @n = [(1, 2), (3, 4)]␤12␤34␤»
gfldex kyclark: @-sigil containers work well if you use the right sigil in signatures. Calling .flat is most likely the worst way to deal with them. If some operators return LoLs, try to untangle them as earyl as possible with a slip. 22:29
m: my @n = ((1,2); (3,4)); dd @n; for @n -> [$a, $b] { say $a, $b }; 22:30
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«Array @n = [(1, 2), (3, 4)]␤12␤34␤»
gfldex m: my @n = (1,2; 3,4); dd @n; for @n -> [$a, $b] { say $a, $b }; 22:31
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«Array @n = [(1, 2), (3, 4)]␤12␤34␤»
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ugexe m: my @n := ((1,2), (3,4)); say @n.flat 22:33
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«(1 2 3 4)␤»
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kyclark LoLs ne lulz 22:34
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gfldex m: role DNA does Iterable { method iterator(){ say 'it'; self.comb.iterator } }; my @a does DNA = 'ABCDABCD'; for @a -> $e { say $e }; 22:38
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«it␤A␤B␤C␤D␤A␤B␤C␤D␤»
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tbrowder I read somewhere that, in Perl 6, using an explicit return from a sub instead of just using the last value at the end of a block is slower. If that is true, is that true for nqp also? 22:39
gfldex kyclark: ^^^ that saves you the .comb on a string
jdv79 jnthn might be fixing that
the heavy cost return
gfldex &return will fire a control exception, the bare return value will not.
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kyclark Wow, I haven't touched roles yet. That's going to need some time to sink in. 22:41
tbrowder gfldex: I mean like "return $x" instead of just "$x" at the end of a sub. 22:42
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AlexDaniel Why is it 404? design.perl6.org/S26.html 22:50
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AlexDaniel gfldex: hi! Take a look at docs.perl6.org/language/operators#infix_:= 22:52
gfldex: there's a link to ｢containers｣
gfldex: and it looks like this: docs.perl6.org/language/containers...ml#Binding
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AlexDaniel gfldex: I'm not sure what would be the right solution here, but perhaps only leading dots should be replaced? 22:54
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gfldex S26 is 404 because all the other S?? are written in pod5. Whenever the build script is run, somebody has to go in and build S26 by hand. 22:56
dalek c: 41a5c54 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Type/Iterable.pod6:
add example to role Iterable (kyclark++ for asking the right question)
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kyclark woo-hoo!
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dalek c: 46a025d | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6:
fix link
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c: 48fac52 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/ (2 files):
fix broken links
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travis-ci Doc build failed. Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer 'add example to role Iterable (kyclark++ for asking the right question)' 23:04
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/144604943 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/7c68b...a5c5428e0f
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gfldex AlexDaniel: the problem was L<Foo|/type/Foo.html> instead of L<Foo|/type/Foo> 23:05
dalek c: 42092d2 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Type/Iterable.pod6:
fix trailing WS
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Zoffix gfldex, no, it should auto-build. It rather awkwardly uses Pod::To::HTML; maybe there's some sort of conflict from latest changes: github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/ut...org.sh#L49 23:08
gfldex Zoffix: there is, was reported earlier
jdv79 is ShimmerFairy back?
Zoffix Ah. OK. 23:09
jdv79, yes
gfldex AlexDaniel: there is docs.perl6.org/links.txt if you want to look over all links we got in the docs
Zoffix gfldex, reported where? 23:10
jdv79 ShimmerFairy: welcome back!
gfldex AlexDaniel: there are still problems originating from autogenerated content where an element ($type, $name) is missing in *DR. But none of those pages should be reachable by any .html that is generated directly from a .pod 23:11
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gfldex .tell Zoffix here: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2016-07-13#i_12834362 23:13
yoleaux gfldex: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
AlexDaniel m: say ‘a’.samemark: ‘’ 23:14
camelia rakudo-moar 24cc91: OUTPUT«Must have at least 1 char of pattern with 'samemark'␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
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travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/144606175 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/41a5c...fac527d772
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer 'fix trailing WS' 23:29
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dalek c: e5fcd55 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6:
fix broken links
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fix broken link
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c: 90d7ce4 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | html/js/main.js:
make broken link report more prominent
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