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AlexDaniel | gfldex: while you probably have your own TODO list, maybe you can take a look at github.com/perl6/doc/issues/38 ? | 00:02 | |
gfldex: it is the oldest issue right now, but it does not look very hard | |||
but it is very confusing… | 00:03 | ||
gfldex: to me it seems like you can add “This is not a real operator” sentence to docs.perl6.org/routine/$LESS-THAN_...ix_%3C_%3E and we can close the issue | 00:04 | ||
by the way, I am going through older tickets again. Please don't mind my annoying comments | 00:08 | ||
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dalek | c: 38036e1 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/quoting.pod6: untangle index entry for < > |
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gfldex | m: say &circumfix:«< >»; | 00:19 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar c9dcc9: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>Undeclared routine: circumfix:«< >» used at line 1. Did you mean 'circumfix:<{ }>', 'circumfix:<:{ }>', 'circumfix:<[ ]>'?» | ||
gfldex | m: say &circumfix:«( )»; | 00:22 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar c9dcc9: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>Undeclared routine: circumfix:<( )> used at line 1. Did you mean 'circumfix:<{ }>', 'circumfix:<:{ }>', 'circumfix:<[ ]>'?» | ||
gfldex | m: say &circumfix:<( )>; | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar c9dcc9: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>Undeclared routine: circumfix:<( )> used at line 1. Did you mean 'circumfix:<{ }>', 'circumfix:<:{ }>', 'circumfix:<[ ]>'?» | ||
gfldex | ENOSUCHOPERATOR | 00:23 | |
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dalek | c: 22ddf6d | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6: ( ), < >, { } are terms (at least they are not circumfixes) |
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dalek | c: 58b051d | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/quoting.pod6: fix index typo |
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dalek | c: 2eb85f3 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6: untangle index entry for .( ), .{ }, .[ ] |
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dalek | c: dcab8da | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | html/js/main.js: remove #__debug__ and add [Debug: off] to footer |
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dalek | sectbot: 20c5d19 | MasterDuke17++ | committable.pl: Group commits by output (#10) |
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dalek | sectbot: 841ee41 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | Perl6IRCBotable.pm: Use nickname as a description for gists |
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sectbot: c6b2106 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | Perl6IRCBotable.pm: Indentation |
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sectbot: 7c22ea4 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | Perl6IRCBotable.pm: Comments, refactoring Nothing important really, just code mangling |
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sectbot: c763c0c | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | / (2 files): bisectable: more magic and rainbows * More detailed bisect log (show exit codes, script output, etc.) * If the output is identical, then show it. Gist it if it does not fit. |
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dalek | sectbot: 111cebb | MasterDuke17++ | committable.pl: Switch order of revision(s) and output |
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osystem: 41b277b | (Sam Morrison)++ | META.list: Add Uzu to ecosystem |
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osystem: 896d3f1 | azawawi++ | META.list: Merge pull request #226 from scmorrison/master Add Uzu to ecosystem |
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dalek | sectbot: 48693da | MasterDuke17++ | committable.pl: Sort output The ordering doesn't have any meaning, but multiple runs with the same input will now have the output in the same order |
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holyghost | Hello | 04:46 | |
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holyghost is going to learn swift | 04:48 | ||
I looks as swift uses syntax of haskel where perl uses CLOS | |||
s/per/perl6/ | |||
I might be wrong though | 04:49 | ||
dalek | sectbot: 40fb215 | (Daniel Green)++ | / (3 files): Clean up alt_nicks |
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holyghost | and the other way round as far as I can see | 05:07 | |
geekosaur | I'd say ML instead of Haskell, since it's the generic parts that all the ML family languages have | 05:09 | |
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holyghost | geekosour, ML ? | 05:23 | |
geekosaur, Markup Languages ? | |||
parabolize | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ML_(programming_language) | ||
geekosaur | that, yes | 05:24 | |
holyghost | ok I understand now | ||
geekosaur | although the language family itself is larger and includes Haskell, Curry, Mercury, F#, etc. | ||
holyghost | and gofer | 05:25 | |
geekosaur | and historical pre-Haskell languages Gofer and Miranda | ||
holyghost | a functional language | ||
we had to learn about gofer as a functional language at school | |||
geekosaur | and Lazy ML although about the only thing it was used for was to write the first version of ghc >.> | ||
holyghost | I read the gofer source code once, it's quite ellegant | 05:26 | |
where lua is just based on C's var args, gofer has its own system | 05:27 | ||
It also compiles everywhere | |||
I think I have a tarball around somehwere with my gofer modifications, I could' have lost it though | |||
ML is of the 70ies ... then it is older than haskel (Ediburgh?) | 05:28 | ||
s/Ediburgh/Edinburgh/ | 05:29 | ||
ok now I remember, you actually use lambda calculus for functionality | |||
geekosaur | yes. ML predates Haskell. I mentioned Lazy ML (essentially a basic ML with laziness) as a precursor already | 05:31 | |
holyghost | I see | 05:32 | |
geekosaur | the folks experimenting with laziness and purity were starting to fragment around LML, Gofer, Miranda, etc. and decided to make a common language | ||
holyghost | it's some sort of inference engine's rule firing then | 05:33 | |
TEttinger | and then they couldn't decide on whether it would be Miranda 5 or Miranda 6 so they called it Haskell | ||
geekosaur | well, only sort of, since Miranda was closed spec as well as closed source | 05:34 | |
TEttinger | wow | ||
closed spec, that's a hell of a relic | |||
holyghost | Haskel <-> 1985 | ||
AFAIK it's haskel vs. scheme at first year in uni | 05:35 | ||
geekosaur | basically it was Research Software Ltd.'s baby, which was part of why they wanted to define a new language with an open spec and open process | ||
holyghost | scheme is of 1986 | ||
TEttinger | hm, are there any major closed-source PLs these days? | ||
parabolize | why didn't ML take off? the wiki page shows guards, lets, tail recursion all sorts of good stuff. Did ML have that stuff in the 70s? | ||
TEttinger | yep | ||
like lisp, ahead of its time | |||
but a bit nicer syntax for people not used to it, I'd say | 05:36 | ||
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TEttinger | also like plankalkul, which was just about literally ahead of its time | 05:36 | |
masak | or maybe everyone else was/is way behind | ||
:) | 05:37 | ||
hi, #perl6 | |||
geekosaur | TEttinger, I'd argue Verilog (VHDL is a rather weak open clone) and Matlab (Octave likewise) | ||
TEttinger | (around the time of the enigma machine, a professor in (nazi and not nazi) germany made what's very similar to APL with no implementation until 1990s) | ||
holyghost | plankakul is probably what the mainframes in the armies of WWII used | ||
TEttinger | nope | ||
masak | they did not | 05:38 | |
TEttinger | no implementation at his time | ||
they were still writing in machine code by flipping individual gates | |||
holyghost | I could be wrong though, an army man told me they had an assembler in WWII | ||
masak | Plankalkül was quite pioneering when it came to abstract data types | ||
dalek | sectbot: 4b7b3b4 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | committable.pl: committable: LIMIT constant, limit bumped to 300 Note that it does not run anything in parallel, so it is a bit slow. |
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sectbot: 32cdbc8 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | committable.pl: committable: much better output Also, keep results in the same order |
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masak | there's a nice paper about it by Knuth and some others | ||
TEttinger | it's shocking that the guy was able to see so far ahead and without any way to prove that his notation was useful | 05:39 | |
konrad zuse | |||
holyghost | I see | ||
TEttinger | it was long before ASCII was a thing :) | 05:40 | |
holyghost | Ada then ? | ||
TEttinger | it used "real math" symbols, cough like a certain other language can, cough :) | ||
(plankalkul) | |||
holyghost | I meant the lady "*Ada*" | ||
TEttinger | oh yes | 05:41 | |
holyghost | It's somewhat of a saga :-) | ||
TEttinger | Countess Ada of Lovelace | ||
holyghost | she programmed machine code I though | ||
s/though/thought/ | |||
masak | holyghost: from what I've seen, Ada Lovelace didn't so much use a programming language, as describe algorithms in words and math operations | ||
TEttinger | I think her machine was analog, not electronic at all of course | ||
holyghost | sure | ||
TEttinger | yeah, founded programming I suppose | 05:42 | |
though you can argue it goes back much further | |||
masak | arguably | ||
holyghost | machine code in the sense that she used numbers (ALU) | ||
masak | algorithms go back to Al'Kwarismi at least ;) | ||
TEttinger | before or after al-jabr? | 05:43 | |
"that algebra guy" | |||
holyghost | Arabians also invented the cypher '0' | ||
ASCII is based on it in 8x8 rows | |||
TEttinger | and you can look at an algorithm as a recipe and suddenly everyone has invented recipes | ||
right, ciphers are definitely a sort of algorithm | 05:44 | ||
was it da vinci who had lots of ciphered journals? | |||
holyghost | Later on the school of Athens did "number theory" | ||
TEttinger | (I suppose lots of people back then were concerned about theft of their ideas) | 05:45 | |
geekosaur | note that she also "wrote programs for" a machine that did not exist. (iirc when someone finally did build a difference engine, they tried her programs... and found *one* bug.) | ||
TEttinger | nice. | ||
was that babbage's engine? | |||
geekosaur | yes | ||
TEttinger | (I guess named after the person who constructed one, or after the person who devised the plans?) | ||
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holyghost | that's mentioned in the dictionary | 05:46 | |
babbage's engine | |||
geekosaur | it was ... well beyond the technology of the time. and by the time the tech had caught up, people were doing things in other ways, so an actual difference engine was only built within the past decade | ||
TEttinger | oh wow | ||
parabolize | Lovelace's first program: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/com...umbers.jpg | ||
TEttinger | I wonder what kind of bug it was | ||
MasterDuke | wasn't the difference engine built longer ago? but the analytic engine was only built recently? | 05:47 | |
geekosaur | Charles Babbage built some simpler "computing engines", but only planned out the difference engine; metalworking was not up to actually building it | ||
TEttinger | looms were also programmable in the 1800s, with common implementations and actual standards... kinda amazing | 05:49 | |
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holyghost | TEttinger, what's a loom ? | 05:49 | |
TEttinger | (they still needed orphans to risk getting their arms chopped off for them to function, but I guess not much has changed, cough shenzhen) | 05:50 | |
holyghost: weaves fabric in automated patterns | |||
holyghost | right as a carpet | ||
TEttinger | like for mass-manufacturing rugs | ||
yeah | |||
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TEttinger | they needed to be able to reproduce some rather complex motions and used an early punch card system | 05:51 | |
geekosaur | yeh, the original Jacquard loom is still considered one of the earliest programmable machines | ||
holyghost | I cannot find the link tp babbage engine in the dictionary anymore, must be an older version (I cannot parse every TNHD tarball ;-) | 05:52 | |
TEttinger | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Marie...quard_loom | ||
holyghost | node scripture ? | 05:53 | |
I mean, there's this writing where you use knots in a piece of rope | 05:54 | ||
(It's not in freeciv though :-) | |||
TEttinger | quipu, yeah | ||
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu "talking knots" | |||
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dalek | sectbot: 5671d64 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | committable.pl: committable: no need to chdir here It would be great to get rid of all “chdir”-s, but unfortunately it is not always possible. However, this one is not the case. |
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sectbot: b04f37b | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | committable.pl: Missed one occurrence of LIMIT |
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holyghost | flood, 'do not mingle in the affairs of bots' I guess :-) | 05:57 | |
s/mingle/meddle | |||
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holyghost | I am downloading 'star trek - voyager', I am going to watch some so I am a bit away from the computer | 06:02 | |
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holyghost | all seasons | 06:02 | |
Also, I am going to buy some beer in an hour | 06:06 | ||
My oldest daughter becomes 15 of age | |||
tomorrow | |||
dalek | sectbot: 5d7fd25 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | committable.pl: committable: handle uncompilable commits properly Also print warnings in exactly the same manner as other output. |
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holyghost | I bought her an mp3 player with a good interface, 4Gb of space and 4 albums on it | ||
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holyghost | She has a Vaio portable where she can put her music on it | 06:12 | |
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AlexDaniel | if anybody is wondering what all these bisectbot changes are about, see my explanation on #perl6-dev here: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6-dev/2016-0...i_12844444 | 06:23 | |
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holyghost | personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L...gon/jargon | 06:24 | |
Search for Babbage on that page | |||
I though I'd share | |||
s/though/thought | |||
and www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/E/engine.html | 06:25 | ||
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holyghost | apparently a truck drove in on a crowd in Nice, France | 06:56 | |
DrForr | Heard earlier this morning. :( | ||
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holyghost | We're at 2 happenings such a month in Europe | 07:03 | |
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dalek | osystem/MARTIMM-patch-1: 0d68a2c | (Marcel Timmerman)++ | META.list: new module Semaphore::ReadersWriters |
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CIAvash | holyghost: Khwarizmi was Persian/Iranian | 07:21 | |
holyghost | ok | ||
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | 07:23 | ||
excuse me, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn...-Khwarizmi | |||
I once read a book on Islamic philosphy, Abu Sienna <-> Avicenna | 07:24 | ||
Ibm means droid AFAIK | |||
s/Ibm/Ibn/ | 07:25 | ||
c. 780-850, after the installation of muslims by Aristoteles | 07:26 | ||
Aristoteles was one of their prime figures for philosphy, I am not sure | |||
Avicenna was the name in Latin of Abu Sienna, he was the greatest ph. of them all the book said | 07:27 | ||
However there were other ph. who didn't speak freely because of the islam | |||
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holyghost | "Islamititsche Filosofie" - author Leezenberg | 07:28 | |
I am driking to my daughter's best wishes for her birthday, so I might fluctuate somewhat | 07:29 | ||
15 years old | |||
Please take your time | |||
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holyghost | I also read Arabian nights for 600 pages, which good in magic (the game) but not too good when you see some strains through the book | 07:31 | |
The only publisher we have in Dutch is "Bulaaq" for translations | 07:32 | ||
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holyghost | Finding the book in English would be difficult | 07:32 | |
Then, I had a course on standard modern arabic which I gave to my father who is more into religion -> philosophy | |||
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holyghost | I even studied japanese for a month, I know some hiragana, katakana and kanji by heart | 07:33 | |
I try to read up on these things on wikipedia | |||
I have 2 japanese to english dictionaries, where one is from Oxford the other's bigger | 07:34 | ||
It's 4 years ago | |||
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holyghost | I really need to relearn the hiragana, vocabulary and grammar | 07:34 | |
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holyghost | If you know that, you can read most Japanese websites | 07:35 | |
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holyghost | here's what I mean : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana | 07:36 | |
The characters are thereon | |||
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holyghost | You just look up the word by english pronounciation e.g. fugu (fu and gu) and you have the english translation | 07:44 | |
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xiaomiao | hey - if anyone has a minute or two to spare and wants to entertain me, I'd be interested in a simple perl6 program that just fetches one URL in a loop (say, 100 times) and prints the reply | 08:08 | |
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masak | "prints the reply" -- the reply being the body of the response? | 08:09 | |
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moritz | xiaomiao: add a loop around the example in github.com/sergot/http-useragent#usage | 08:52 | |
xiaomiao | moritz: ah, good idea | 08:53 | |
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xiaomiao | now let's see if perl6 is faster than Go <_< | 08:56 | |
timotimo | haha, no. | 08:57 | |
TEttinger | but is it faster than INTERCAL? | 09:02 | |
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gfldex | Perl 6 is mean to make the programmer faster, not the computer. | 09:03 | |
timotimo | well, we're hoping the speed penalty is going to go down even more with time | ||
hahainternet | Go's a fairly unique language anyway | 09:22 | |
its niche is limited in a computer science sense, but very large volume of actual use | |||
profan | TEttinger: only if you say please enough | 09:23 | |
masak | and not too much | 09:24 | |
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DrForr | Much as Perl 5 was. | 09:34 | |
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konobi | go is also dangerous | 09:36 | |
Zoffix | .ask ugexe should the "New repository version 2 and new Distribution interface" be added to Rakudo's ChangeLog or is that entirely an internal change? If it should be added, would you let me know what to write into ChangeLog? github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f4...6f7cd99e66 | ||
yoleaux | Zoffix: I'll pass your message to ugexe. | ||
konobi | dtrace.org/blogs/wesolows/2014/12/2...-is-trash/ | 09:37 | |
DrForr | Hey, I play quite a bit... Oh, the language :) | ||
hahainternet | it's actually fine as a language, it's extremely enjoyable and very pragmatic | 09:38 | |
but people hate the people behind it, and the fact it's so simple | |||
it's certainly not a language to end all language development, but in its niche it is superb | |||
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konobi | and there was a recent fairly high profile article on how golang totally broke a running system because the authors make way way way too much assumption about what is "safe" | 09:38 | |
masak | it seems more enjoyable than C :) | ||
profan | that tends to come with the memory safety | 09:39 | |
hahainternet | konobi: could you link me to that article please? | ||
profan: threading and syncing too, also nice things like unicode strings | |||
konobi | masak: i'm playing with terralang for the same sort of stuff | ||
hahainternet | terra's very cool but a very very different language | ||
it targets the lowest level features it can, Go is much higher level | |||
Lua is a closer comparison to Go than Terra imho | |||
profan | hahainternet: i think they slipped abit on the threading bit | ||
konobi | github.com/golang/go/issues/1435 | ||
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profan | i mean cps is nice, but go still has the shared memory history bit too | 09:40 | |
hahainternet | profan: 'shared memory history'? | 09:41 | |
konobi | you can do cps in perl though | ||
hahainternet | profan: do you mean the ability to share memory without intending to? | ||
profan | hahainternet: i mean, you still have race conditions and all that fun even with the channels | ||
hahainternet | oh absolutely you ca | ||
it in no way is fully safe in almost any regard, i see it as a valuable companion to Perl | |||
making a language that embodies all of these safety principles results in so many compromises in other areas you lose the simplicity that makes things enjoyable | 09:43 | ||
i think that's one of the greatest achievements of Perl 6 to me | 09:44 | ||
it has a simple appearance, and can be used in a simple way, but that simplicity is obtained by extremely thorough design, rather than naivete (sp) | |||
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konobi | i wonder if you could create an nqp runtime using the language/token/lexer features in terralang | 10:11 | |
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pmurias | konobi: in order to run Perl 6 on it? | 10:13 | |
konobi | pmurias: yeah | ||
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konobi | pmurias: how's the JS backend working? | 10:15 | |
pmurias | konobi: it compiles rakudo to JavaScript and a few % of the setting. I'm working on making nqp-js emit faster code as the rakudo compiled to js is too slow and compiling the setting would take ages | 10:17 | |
konobi | pmurias: (terralang.org/api.html#the-language...lexer-api) | ||
pmurias: habe you looked at using node-inspector to do the JS profiling? | |||
it covers not just timing info, but you can use heap snapshotting too... and it'll take you down to the line of code that individual objects were defined at (using diffs to narrow it down) | 10:18 | ||
pmurias | konobi: I have used devtool to profile things but it has problems with native extensions | 10:19 | |
konobi | pmurias: node-agent-devtools? | 10:20 | |
pmurias | konobi: just the devtool package from npm | 10:21 | |
konobi | ah... you probably want node-inspector... it's the only one being actively developed now, since it's part of one of IBMs offerings | 10:22 | |
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pmurias | konobi: I'll check that out | 10:25 | |
konobi | pmurias: oh! and built in flamegraph support | ||
github.com/node-inspector/node-inspector | 10:27 | ||
pmurias | devtool seems to have the same profiling as chrome does but it runs inside of electron so it doesn't like native extensions | 10:28 | |
konobi | this uses the remote debugging protocol within V8, so native addons won't affect anything | 10:30 | |
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timotimo | blogs.dropbox.com/tech/2016/07/lep...-at-15mbs/ - kinda cool, but not interesting for us, probably | 10:34 | |
konobi | i'd have thought lz4 with shared dictionaries would have been better there | 10:36 | |
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gfldex | timotimo: that means, if you upload jpegs to dropbox, make sure you have the legal right to change them. If you don't you better encrypt them. | 10:37 | |
timotimo | go ahead and try it? :) | 10:38 | |
gfldex: did you see it's actually lossless? | |||
gfldex | timotimo: lossless, after decoding. If you compare the files, they are diffrent. There are plenty of agreements between companies that make that illegal. | 10:39 | |
timotimo | wait, really? | 10:40 | |
gfldex | if the file get's 20% smaller, they must differ | ||
timotimo | no. | 10:41 | |
if you zip a text file, it "gets smaller", but when you unzip it again, it's the same content again | |||
gfldex | as I understood the article they reencode the jpegs | ||
timotimo | no, they do not | 10:42 | |
gfldex | sorry, i'm misstaken then | ||
timotimo | "Lepton achieves a 22% savings reduction for existing JPEG images, by predicting coefficients in JPEG blocks and feeding those predictions as context into an arithmetic coder. Lepton preserves the original file bit-for-bit perfectly." | ||
that's all you need to know | |||
also this paragraph makes clear you don't get the lepton'd file, you get the original file | 10:43 | ||
"Lepton can decompress significantly faster than line-speed for typical consumer and business connections. Lepton is a fully streamable format, meaning the decompression can be applied to any file as that file is being transferred over the network. Hence, streaming overlaps the computational work of the decompression with the file transfer itself, hiding latency from the user." | |||
gfldex | github.com/dropbox/lepton actually makes it clear with a lot less words :) | 10:44 | |
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timotimo | *shrug* | 10:45 | |
anyway, now we all know what's what. and that's good | 10:46 | ||
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sammers | hi from Japan | 11:43 | |
rjbs | o/ | 11:44 | |
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moritz | \o | 11:46 | |
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timotimo | o/ | 12:05 | |
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pmurias | konobi: re running on top of terra if you want to port Perl 6 to some VM, what you likely want to do is not to implement nqp the language on it but add QAST (which is Perl6/nqp already parsed into a tree) backend | 12:26 | |
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melezhik | hi Perl6 gurus! Does anybody know how to comment a _whole block_ of perl6 code, not commenting by `#' every single line? | 12:51 | |
psch | melezhik: we have #`[ ] as block comment form | 12:52 | |
melezhik: note that the amount of brackets is up to you, as long as it's matching | |||
moritz | also pod | ||
=begin comment | |||
... | |||
=end comment | |||
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DrForr | #`( ... ) | 12:52 | |
melezhik | thanks, sounds good | ||
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melezhik | I anticipated that perl6 has the same way with pod comments (: | 12:53 | |
psch | oh, right, #` doesn't care which type of parenthesis you use | ||
m: say #`<< nothing >> "something" | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar 51a611: OUTPUT«something» | ||
gfldex | also ^VI#^[ :-P | ||
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psch | m: say #^[ bar ] "foo" # uhh? | 12:55 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 51a611: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===Argument to "say" seems to be malformedat <tmp>:1------> 3say7⏏5 #^[ bar ] "foo" # uhh?Other potential difficulties: Unsupported use of bare "say"; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant $_, or use an explicit invo…» | ||
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moritz | #^... is a whole-line comment | 12:56 | |
so it complains about bare say | |||
m: say | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar 51a611: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===Argument to "say" seems to be malformedat <tmp>:1------> 3say7⏏5<EOL>Other potential difficulties: Unsupported use of bare "say"; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument, …» | ||
psch | yeah, which just means that the ^ does nothing, doesn't it | ||
moritz | right | ||
timotimo | m: say #`/ test / "yo" | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 51a611: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5===Argument to "say" seems to be malformedat <tmp>:1------> 3say7⏏5 #`/ test / "yo"Other potential difficulties: Unsupported use of bare "say"; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant $_, or use an explicit invocant or…» | ||
Frameless | timotimo: curious, is hack.p6c.org/~timo/coverage/ being updated on regular intervals? | 13:00 | |
And related question: how can I run that stuff locally? | |||
melezhik: it's worth noting most editors support keyboard shortcuts to comment out selected text. Like CTRL+D | 13:01 | ||
timotimo | it is not | ||
the process is a bit involved | |||
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timotimo | so, you start by having the "line_based_coverage_3" (or some number) branch of moarvm checked out and built | 13:02 | |
Frameless | Alright. I may be interested in increasing coverage in about a month | ||
timotimo | that'll give you access to a new environment variable | ||
i think it's MVM_COVERAGE_LOG or something | |||
set it to a filename that includes a %d somewhere for the PID | |||
and then run the test suite. multi-thread is allowed because of the PID thing | 13:03 | ||
Frameless | Sounds simple enough :) Thanks. | ||
timotimo | it's not all yet :) | 13:04 | |
Frameless | heh | ||
timotimo | the crapton of files you end up with would ideally go through sort, uniq, and grep for CORE.setting before you feed it to the tool | ||
the next step is the dumped moarvm file. you get that from moar --dump CORE.setting.moarvm | |||
and all that feeds together into moarvm's tools/parse_coverage_report.p6 | 13:05 | ||
melezhik | huh, #`[ ... ] even better then pod :) | 13:06 | |
thanks to all for advices! | |||
perlpilot | melezhik: serves a different purpose than pod | ||
melezhik | yeah, I know | ||
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timotimo | what i like about pod is that my editor will highlight pod markup in pod comments :) | 13:12 | |
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perlpilot is slightly surprised the #`/ ... / comment above didn't complain about the delimiter | 13:16 | ||
timotimo | well, it would have to parse all comments starting immediately with a ` as "failed attempt at block comment" | ||
perlpilot | That seems preferable to silently treating everything to end of line as a comment. | 13:17 | |
If someone has #` in their code, they were most likely trying to do an embedded comment. | 13:18 | ||
dalek | c: 55332b8 | titsuki++ | doc/Language/terms.pod6: Fix a typo from "Pi" to "pi" |
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c: 3a6e347 | (Itsuki Toyota)++ | doc/Language/terms.pod6: Merge pull request #708 from titsuki/fix-typo Fix a typo from "Pi" to "pi" |
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Frameless | .oO( pie... ) |
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holyghost | *smile* those bots are funny sometimes | 13:26 | |
s/*smile*/*lol* whatever/ | 13:27 | ||
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Frameless | huggable: hug holyghost | 13:30 | |
huggable hugs holyghost | |||
holyghost | *lol* | 13:31 | |
I really need to write an IRC bot once | 13:33 | ||
I don't know what I would put into it but on #perl and #perl6 nobody would mind too much though | |||
huf | meh. put an irssi in a screen and script it | 13:34 | |
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holyghost | right | 13:35 | |
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dalek | -six-help: eb9b799 | coke++ | summary.p6: track and report on new @LARRY tag |
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[Coke] | is it intentional that the TOC is colored when shown above the content, but black when to the left? (docs) | 13:57 | |
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gfldex | [Coke]: it is intentional | 13:57 | |
[Coke] | what's the purpose? | 13:58 | |
gfldex | the internet seams to agree that ToC like navigation elements on the left side of the screen do not require blue links | 13:59 | |
i tried the same for the ToC on top and it look very out of place | |||
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ugexe | Zoffix: gist.github.com/ugexe/5de557c23058...3af52a1609 # changeloggy notes on distribution stuff | 14:01 | |
yoleaux | 09:36Z <Zoffix> ugexe: should the "New repository version 2 and new Distribution interface" be added to Rakudo's ChangeLog or is that entirely an internal change? If it should be added, would you let me know what to write into ChangeLog? github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f4...6f7cd99e66 | ||
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[Coke] | I'd rather it was consistent, but not enough to make a PR for it, so I guess it's fine. :) | 14:02 | |
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Frameless | ugexe: thanks | 14:04 | |
gfldex | [Coke]: if you look at developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/W.../undefined you will see that the site is split into two parts. The allways-there-alway-navigation-part and a main body. In the main body clickable elements are marked with blue. Likely because the clickyness is the exception, while in the left part it is not. | ||
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[Coke] | I think "TOC" overrides "position on screen". links embedded in paragraphs are different than a TOC, sure | 14:05 | |
holyghost | Now that I thought of it, there's this new VRML thing : Babylon javascript for developing 3D browser apps, thought I'd let you know | 14:06 | |
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AlexDaniel | sometimes I wonder how much stuff I have 「git stash」-ed in a gazzilion number of repos all over my filesystem… | 14:42 | |
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lucs | If in Perl 5 I would do 「$foobar = Foo::Bar->new or die "$@"」, in Perl 6, given 「use Inline::Perl5; use Foo::Bar:from<Perl5>; my $foobar = Foo::Bar.new」, how do I get P5's 「$@」? | 14:45 | |
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gfldex | if Foo::Bar.new returns a Failure it would be in $foobar and you could .Str that. | 14:47 | |
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geekosaur | ideally you got a Failure back from Foo::Bar.new and can extract it. otherwise you'd have to trap the exception it threw | 14:48 | |
hoelzro | how could Foo::Bar return a Failure if it's from Perl 5 land? | ||
Frameless | lucs: FWIW, you don't need explicit use Inline::Perl5 | ||
lucs | (trying...) | ||
geekosaur | $@ for that was considered a hack, but equivalent to the latter (if p5's eval caught an exception, it stuffed it in $@) | ||
lucs | Frameless: Oh, just the 「⋯:from<Perl5>」 is enough? | 14:49 |
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