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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
lookatme morning o/ 00:34
yoleaux 12 May 2017 13:45Z <Zoffix> lookatme: we do actually have an HTML parser; DOM::Tiny: modules.perl6.org/dist/DOM::Tiny
SmokeMachine Hi there! Is there any way to get a sub code? 01:46
lookatme sub code ? 01:47
you mean source code ?
SmokeMachine Yes... 01:48
The source code of the sub
m: sub a {say 42}; say &a.perl 01:49
camelia sub a () { #`(Sub|50406888) ... }
SmokeMachine I mean something like that, but not with the ... but the actual code... 01:50
MasterDuke_ SmokeMachine: there currently is no way for regular subs/methods/etc
you can get the source to tokens/rules/regexes though
lookatme Why you tried get source code?
SmokeMachine MasterDuke_: is there any plan to make it possible?
MasterDuke_ timotimo and jnthn were talking about this recently, i don't rememeber the conclusion though 01:51
SmokeMachine lookatme: I'm trying to share functions between different computers...
lookatme SmokeMachine, oh, why you make a service run function ? 01:52
MasterDuke_ SmokeMachine: i think nadim was talking with them about it (in the past 2-3 weeks), you could try searching the logs
lookatme s/why/how/
SmokeMachine MasterDuke_: thanks! I'll look for that on log!
lookatme ...why not make a service run function 01:53
SmokeMachine (I was away to long...)
lookatme: I'm trying that for 2 different projects...
lookatme That's like a RPC service 01:54
SmokeMachine lookatme: first to use as a remote promise lib
lookatme: and the second one is a datomic like database... 01:55
lookatme I think it's not safe run code in your server 01:57
SmokeMachine lookatme: what do you mean? 01:58
lookatme I mean run any code send on server it's not safe, 02:00
maybe some risky operator would be execute
lookatme Today Perl 6 not have a module like Perl 5's module **Safe** provide a isolated environment 02:03
SmokeMachine lookatme: I'm only studying... 02:05
lookatme: but are you concerned about what of the 2 projects?
lookatme SmokeMachine, no, Study should be freedom, try everything you want~~ 02:07
lookatme SmokeMachine, you can try something like this `sub f() { return $?FILE.IO.lines()[$?LINE .. something]; };` 02:11
SmokeMachine MasterDuke_: were you talking about this? irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-04-21#i_14465803 02:12
lookatme I think so 02:13
lookatme m: my rule blah { "hello there" }; say &blah.perl; 02:14
camelia rule blah { "hello there" }
MasterDuke_ SmokeMachine: yeah, that looks familiar. i think timotimo and jnthn had another related conversation (maybe in #perl6-dev?), but i could just be imagining it
SmokeMachine m: my rule bla {method a{"test"}}; say bla.perl 02:15
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0
in regex bla at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: my rule bla {method a{"test"}}; say &bla.perl
camelia rule bla {method a{"test"}}
SmokeMachine m: method a{say 42}; role R{}; &R.^add_method("a", &a}; say &R.perl 02:17
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3ay 42}; role R{}; &R.^add_method("a", &a7⏏5}; say &R.perl
Other potential difficulties:
Useless declaration of a has-scoped m…
SmokeMachine m: method a{say 42}; role R{}; &R.^add_method("a", &a); say &R.perl 02:18
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Illegally post-declared type:
R used at line 1
Undeclared routine:
a used at line 1

Other potential difficulties:
Useless declaration of a has-scoped method in mainline (did you mean 'my method a'?)
at …
BenGoldberg m: method a{say 42}; role R{}; R.^add_method("a", &a); say &R.perl 02:20
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Illegally post-declared type:
R used at line 1
Undeclared routine:
a used at line 1

Other potential difficulties:
Useless declaration of a has-scoped method in mainline (did you mean 'my method a'?)
at …
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; R.^add_method("a", method a (R:) {say 42}); say &R.perl 02:21
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Illegally post-declared type:
R used at line 1

Other potential difficulties:
Useless declaration of a has-scoped method in mainline (did you mean 'my method a'?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3role R { }; R.^add_me…
BenGoldberg m: role R { };
camelia ( no output )
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; say R;
camelia (R)
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; say R.add_method( "a", sub { 42 } );
camelia No such method 'add_method' for invocant of type 'R'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; say R.^add_method( "a", sub { 42 } );
camelia No such method 'add_method' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ParametricRoleGroupHOW'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
lookatme m: sub a{say 42}; class R { }; R.^add_method("a", &a); say R.perl 02:22
camelia R
BenGoldberg Well of course *that* will work.
m: role R { method a { say 42 } }; R.a; 02:23
camelia 42
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; R.WHAT.say; 02:24
camelia (R)
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; R.HOW.say; 02:24
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ParametricRoleGroupHOW.new
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; R.HOW.^methods.say;
camelia No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: role R {  }; &R.WHAT.say;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Illegally post-declared type:
R used at line 1
BenGoldberg R is not a subroutine, stop sticking & in front of it :P 02:25
SmokeMachine Makes sense...
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; .perl.say for R.HOW.^methods;
camelia No such method 'perl' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; .?perl.?say for R.HOW.^methods;
camelia No such method 'dispatch:<.?>' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; .?name.?say for R.HOW.^methods;
camelia No such method 'dispatch:<.?>' for invocant of type 'NQPRoutine'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
BenGoldberg m: role R { }; .name.?say for R.HOW.^methods;
camelia archetypes
new
set_selector_creator
new_type
parameterize
!produce_parameterization
add_possibility
specialize
update_role_typecheck_list
role_typecheck_list
type_check
candidates
lookup
methods
attributes
roles
ver
auth…
SmokeMachine Couldn't Code have an attribute code with the source code? 02:27
lookatme When you call method on role, it'll pun a same name class
I think
SmokeMachine, you can store them and run them with EVAL 02:28
SmokeMachine lookatme: how would I get it? 02:28
lookatme m: sub get_code() { "say 'RUN !!'; "; }; EVAL(get_code()); 02:29
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
EVAL is a very dangerous function!!! (use the MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL pragma to override this error,
but only if you're VERY sure your data contains no injection attacks)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 { "say 'RUN…
SmokeMachine Do you mean write a string with the code?
lookatme m: use MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL; sub get_code() { "say 'RUN !!'; "; }; EVAL(get_code());
camelia RUN !!
lookatme yeah
That's a way you can store you code in attribute, and get it then send it to remote server 02:30
lookatme SmokeMachine, have you tried it ? 02:44
SmokeMachine lookatme: yes, I know that works... but that's not how I'd like to do that... 02:45
lookatme SmokeMachine, oh :) 02:48
SmokeMachine lookatme: but thank you!
lookatme Em, you are welcome 02:50
SmokeMachine I'll try to play with the routine declarator on the grammar... 02:53
SmokeMachine Thank you all! 02:54
BenGoldberg m: role { }.HOW.^find_method("archetypes").WHAT.name
camelia Cannot look up attributes in a NQPRoutine type object
in any name at gen/moar/stage2/NQPCORE.setting line 388
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
lookatme SmokeMachine, 02:56
I don't think that's a method ..
m: my rule g { method a { } }; say "method a { }" ~~ /<g>/; 02:57
camelia Use of Nil in string context
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
｢method a ｣
g => ｢method a ｣
lookatme m: my rule g { method a { } }; say "method a" ~~ /<g>/;
camelia ｢method a｣
g => ｢method a｣
SmokeMachine lookatme: sorry, what do you mean?
lookatme m: my rule g { method a { say "THIS JUST SOME CODE RUN HERE"; } }; say "method a" ~~ /<g>/;
camelia THIS JUST SOME CODE RUN HERE
｢method a｣
g => ｢method a｣		 02:58
lookatme That's a regex, not method or routine define/declare 02:58
`{ }` after regex is a inner Block 02:59
SmokeMachine lookatme: sorry, I didn't get it
lookatme SmokeMachine, May be I didn't get you, sorry never mind 03:00
SmokeMachine lookatme: were you saying that routine_declarator isn't a method? 03:02
lookatme Yeah, in rule, it's not 03:03
lookatme rule/token/regex 03:04
Of course you can define you method in grammar, but not in regex/token/rule
SmokeMachine Yes, I know... I'm thinking of playing with that to, while parsing the sub, save its code somewhere...
lookatme Oh, that a good idea 03:05
s/that/that's/
perlawhirl bisectable6: say bag(1,3) (^) bag(1,1,2,3,3,3) 03:54
bisectable6 perlawhirl, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=95e49dc) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
perlawhirl, bisect log: gist.github.com/bc2aa1e3e5c2582ffc...398d37f654 03:55
perlawhirl, (2016-12-04) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a5...1050dfee9f
o9o9 hi 05:23
lookatme -_- 06:03
lookatme clear 07:53
lizmat perlawhirl: fwiw, I think (^) has more issues, specifically wrt Mixes 08:10
oops, I meant (-) I think 08:11
lizmat perlawhirl: think I found the problem 08:40
sammers hello 08:59
lookatme sammers, o/ 09:02
Geth DBIish: akzhan++ created pull request #92:
Use Zef to install dependencies.		 09:09
sammers how are you tonight? today? 09:12
lizmat PSA: Perl 6 Weekly may get a little delay today as I will be travelling by car most of the day 09:13
lizmat decommute& 09:13
lookatme today. 09:18
It's afternoon now
lookatme Now, home from work ~ bye 09:36
sjn good *, #perl6 09:45
Quick q: is there a way to call a method if you only have it's name (Str)? 09:46
masak m: class C { method foo { say "OH HAI" } }; my $method-name = "foo"; C.new."$method-name"() 09:46
camelia OH HAI
masak sjn: ^
sjn: syntax (quotes and required parentheses) is such that you're not meant to do this *by mistake* 09:47
sjn ah, quote the name
sjn right 09:47
thanks
masak (because strings are always a little bit injection-y) 09:48
sjn hm. 09:48
masak actually, I'm a little bit surprised that the EVAL hysterians aren't all over this one, too :P
what if we've read in the string from the UI or something? dangerous.
masak .oO( MONKEY-SEE-NO-DYNAMIC-METHOD-MAN-THIS-JOKE-IS-STRETCHED-THIN-NOW ) 09:49
masak should qvetch less and write more code :P 09:50
sjn Hm. I seem to botch this...
masak "kvetch"? probably.
sjn m: for VM.^methods -> $m { say "$m -> " ~ $m() } 09:51
camelia Submethod object coerced to string (please use .gist or .perl to do that)
in block at <tmp> line 1
Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sjn m: for VM.^methods -> $m { say VM."$m"() } 09:52
camelia Submethod object coerced to string (please use .gist or .perl to do that)
in block at <tmp> line 1
Cannot look up attributes in a VM type object
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
masak sjn: those are method objects you're iterating over 09:54
m: for VM.^methods -> $m { say $m.name }
camelia BUILD
platform-library-name
osname
Str
gist
config
prefix
precomp-ext
precomp-target
name
auth
version
signature
desc
masak m: for VM.^methods -> $m { say VM."$m.name"() } 09:55
camelia Submethod object coerced to string (please use .gist or .perl to do that)
in block at <tmp> line 1
No such method 'BUILD.name' for invocant of type 'VM'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
masak m: for VM.^methods -> $m { say VM."$m.name()"() }
camelia Cannot look up attributes in a VM type object
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
masak that works, but the error is kind of internal
sjn yeah, I noticed that too (after asking here). that's why I tried just the $m() 09:56
sjn so, what *is* the best way to to iterate over all methods in a class? 09:58
(even Submethods)
jnthn .^methods will include submethods too 10:06
Geth ecosystem: daf6ea4d44 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Add `Die` to ecosystem

  "Perl 5 like die routine for note + exit":
  github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Die
Geth doc: e309dddaf6 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/IO.pod6
[io grant] Finish up &note

  - Include candidates
  - Include method form
  - Get rid of elaborate prose and non-relevant portions of example		 10:29
nine OMG I've finally started a blog: niner.name/blog/ 10:37
masak \o/ 10:43
Geth doc/doc-handled-is-lvalue: 0d54f02090 | (Carl Mäsak)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Failure.pod6
Document that Failure.handled is an lvalue

Something I learned today as part of code review. Thought it might be useful in the documentation.		 10:55
doc: masak++ created pull request #1307:
Document that Failure.handled is an lvalue		 10:56
masak "Ever since I started writing that I've made it my mission to connect the Perl 5 and Perl 6 worlds, which over the long years of Perl 6's development have become more and more separated." -- niner.name/blog/ -- nine++ 11:03
"There was neither the slightest hesitation nor worry." -- squee 11:04
seems PTS was quite the event 11:05
nine masak: seems like I somehow got across what I feel about it :) 11:06
masak I feel enthused too now 11:07
this was well worth starting a blog over :>
Geth DBIish: 77146951da | (Akzhan Abdulin)++ | .travis.yml
Use Zef to install dependencies.

Panda is not supported now.		 11:36
DBIish: fd7ee262fa | (Akzhan Abdulin)++ | 2 files
Allow panda dependency manager as fallback for older Rakudo.
DBIish: 75fffaf4a5 | loren++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #92 from akzhan/master

Use Zef to install dependencies.
araraloren night. 11:38
yoleaux 14 May 2017 19:22Z <timotimo> araraloren: fantastic! i didn't realize you could have tables in triangle shape or similar! that's really cool and probably sets your module apart from all others
timotimo yo
araraloren o/ 11:40
timotimo i wonder how complex and powerful you'd be willing to make your table module
araraloren timotimo, thanks for your advice about that module
timotimo i've made one in the past that allowed for some borders to be double and some to be single lined
let me see if i can find a screenshot
masak m: { say 1; leave; say 2 }; say 3 11:41
camelia 1
leave not yet implemented. Sorry.
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
araraloren timotimo, in my module, style can be customized
masak I wonder if we'll implement `leave` or if we'll unspec it...
araraloren check out this example: github.com/araraloren/perl6-termin...e-style.p6 11:42
timotimo araraloren: t.h8.lv/random_box.png 11:44
masak: i'd like to have leave
araraloren timotimo, oh, that's wonderful, I didn't think about irregular shape 11:46
In my module, I just generate all cell, and then you can edit the table by some interface 11:48
araraloren I want add this in next version, thanks for your idea. 11:50
timotimo cool 11:51
i can give you the code that makes my example go, but it's python
github.com/timo/zasim/blob/master/...le.py#L259 - i think this is the one
araraloren Em, I know a little about python 11:52
masak timotimo: me too. 11:53
masak timotimo: or rather, given that blocks exist and are a kind of a lighter-weight routines, I'd like to have leave. :) 11:53
masak dares someone to merge github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1307 :)
moritz_ why not? 11:57
Geth doc: acf4040024 | (Carl Mäsak)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Type/Failure.pod6
Document that Failure.handled is an lvalue

Something I learned today as part of code review. Thought it might be useful in the documentation.
masak moritz++
nine Ah, moritz beat me to it :) 11:58
timotimo it almost got double-merged 11:59
masak .oO( twice-merged be thou, villain! ) 12:00
Geth doc: 81900cb743 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
[io grant] Finish off IO::Path.parent

  - Add more examples
  - Add note about symlinked dirs		 12:13
moritz_ m: say :36<evil>.roots(2) 12:20
camelia (833.084029375188+0i -833.084029375188+1.0202336899951e-13i)
moritz_ 833 is the root of all evil!
[Coke] yawns. 12:44
haxmeist1r wake up! 12:47
lol
moritz_ wake up!!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSvFpBOe8eY 12:48
timotimo www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3DJqgFr04
haxmeister inspired some guys at my Linux user group about perl6 :)
yoleaux 12 May 2017 13:34Z <Zoffix> haxmeister: I found this HTML parsing module work just fine: modules.perl6.org/dist/DOM::Tiny And WWW is just a user agent, not a parser
haxmeister thank you yoleaux 12:49
yoleaux: I seen a message here yesterday regarding that module.. hopefully I'll get a chance to try it out this week 12:50
perlawhirl haxmeister: yoleaux is a msg bot... Zoffix asked yoleaux to tell you that message next time you were active here 12:50
haxmeister couple guys in our LUG were blown away when they read about grammars in perl6 and the new regex 12:51
perlawhirl: oh ok..lol.. well it worked :-)
perlawhirl don't worry... I myself talked thanked yolaux one of the first times i was here :D
.tell lizmat Thank you for fixing the Baggy op... I didn't even get around to asking! 12:53
yoleaux perlawhirl: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
haxmeister .tell zoffix thanks for finding me an HTML parser to work with :-)
yoleaux haxmeister: I'll pass your message to zoffix.
haxmeister zef doesn't find DOM::Tiny 12:56
haxmeister oh found it 13:09
case senstive.. DOM::Tiny
pmurias hmm, it this a known bug: at CodeRef.cuid4656.setInfo.self (eval at eval (/home/pmurias/nqp/src/vm/js/nqp-runtime/core.js:465:19), <anonymous>:1600:37) 13:17
sorry
paste.debian.net/932522/ - it seems multi methods get damaged if called at BEGIN time 13:18
Geth doc: 22204d54ba | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Remove semicolons on method defs
 13:38
doc: 00c2f8c5af | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
s/preceeded/preceded/
 13:39
doc: 5d18ba7e32 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/Str.pod6
s/occurances/occurences/
 13:40
Geth doc: f9c3ae7179 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Fix all the spelling errors
 13:49
Geth doc: 59cbc382bb | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
[io grant] Finish off IO::Path.parts

  - It now returns a Map, not a Hash
  - :directory key is no longer there
  - use Win32 path to showcase :volume
  - Fix incorrect s/path/basename/ key name
Rakudo impl: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9021a48665
   github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/6ed14ef6fc
Tests: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/fb61306aaa		 13:54
haxmeister is trying to learn how to get at the data in this fancy DOM structure 15:19
timotimo there's also a html parser that creates a XML::Document
bioexpress Hello, does Perl6 has something, that can tell me the number of available cpu cores? 15:20
haxmeister bioexpress: you on linux? 15:21
perlpilot bioexpress: Linux::Cpuinfo perhaps
bioexpress On linux I could use nproc
perlpilot bioexpress: yeah, I'd probably just do that too :) 15:22
haxmeister but the perl module is a pure perl solution and requires no system call :) 15:22
robertle not sure it is exposed, but there must be something within perl6, how would it set the size of the default thread pool otherwise?
timotimo robertle: it evaluates "16" and uses the result of that 15:23
robertle timotimo: wow, that is really clever!
timotimo unless a RAKUDO_MAX_THREADS is set
it's a highly technical and complicated process
robertle yeah, and really good engineering: use heuristics first! 15:24
and it also does not require a system call!
timotimo it might require a sbrk to get enough memory for the variable!
haxmeister windows stores it in a env variable: echo %NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS%
can also system call msinfo and parse it out 15:25
robertle timotimo: I have done that before in some app, would you be interested in a patch? 15:26
strike that, I see now why it is a bit more difficult than that :) 15:29
timotimo a patch for what exactly? 15:31
right number of processes?
Geth doc: b99a6661b1 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
[io grant] Finish off IO::Path.path/.IO

  - Add links to special handles
  - Add method defs		 15:32
ilmari wow, lscpu.c is >2k lines 15:33
robertle yes, a patch to set the number of pool threads to the number of logical cores. but I had a quick look and stumbled on the obvious: you would probably want to put some portable method into moar, and expose through nqp. so a bit more involved that I was initially thinking...
that is based on my assumption that all platform-specfic stuff should be in the VM? 15:34
ilmari anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-mai...ls/lscpu.c
timotimo it shouldn't be limited to the number of cpu cores 15:34
robertle perhaps not set to =cores, but surely based on it
cygx sneaks in 15:34
robertle the app I did this before took the number of cores and capped at both ends 15:35
cygx you might want to call the function, lets say, MVM_platform_cpu_count ;)
moritz_ nine: FYI, niner.name/blog/ links to niner.name/blog/perl_toolchain_summit_2017 which produces an internal error 16:11
raschipi hi lizmat! 16:22
lizmat raschipi o/ 16:23
yoleaux 10:41Z <nine> lizmat: niner.name/blog/ for the weekly
12:53Z <perlawhirl> lizmat: Thank you for fixing the Baggy op... I didn't even get around to asking!
raschipi How was your trip? 16:24
vetmaster hello guys! is there any way to compile perl6 codes to .exe? 16:30
[Coke] vetmaster: nope. 16:31
vetmaster ok :) 16:32
lizmat raschipi: still on the trip, passing Metz as I write this 16:32
lizmat .tell nine: noted and nine++ :-) 16:36
yoleaux lizmat: What kind of a name is "nine:"?!
lizmat .tell nine noted and nine++ :-)
yoleaux lizmat: I'll pass your message to nine.
nicq20 Hello o/ 16:56
haxmeister hello nicq20 o/ 16:58
vetmaster .tell yoleaux hello, recursion :) 17:04
yoleaux vetmaster: Thanks for the message.
vetmaster .tell youleaux .tell youleaux
yoleaux vetmaster: I'll pass your message to youleaux.
vetmaster .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux test
yoleaux vetmaster: I'll pass your message to youleaux.
vetmaster .tell youleaux .tell youleaux test
yoleaux vetmaster: I'll pass your message to youleaux.
vetmaster p6: say ".tell youleaux smth"; 17:05
camelia .tell youleaux smth
vetmaster how fast is perl6? 17:09
vetmaster perl6 vs python3 - what language is faster? 17:10
Zoffix vetmaster: fast enough to take the left lane ;)
Zoffix vetmaster: languages don't really have any speed. It's their interpreters/compiled programs that do 17:11
youleaux . 17:11
yoleaux 17:04Z <vetmaster> youleaux: .tell youleaux
17:04Z <vetmaster> youleaux: .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux .tell youleaux test
17:04Z <vetmaster> youleaux: .tell youleaux test
Zoffix buggable: eco wix 17:11
buggable Zoffix, App::InstallerMaker::WiX 'Tool to make basic WiX installers for Perl 6 apps, bundling MoarVM/Rakudo.': github.com/jnthn/p6-app-installermaker-wix
Zoffix vetmaster: not exactly compile-to-exe but I heard you could use that ^ tool to bundle stuff up 17:12
vetmaster ok, thanks
buggable: eco skynet
buggable vetmaster, Acme::Skynet 'Machine Learnings for your Perls6.': github.com/kmwallio/Acme-Skynet
Zoffix vetmaster: as for speed, comparisons aren't exact, as we one of the few language that do strings in graphemes right away, for example. In general, Rakudo's speed is still to be desired as we still have a ton of work to do to make it faster 17:13
haxmeister: DOM::Tiny just uses CSS selectors 17:14
bioexpre[TAB]... for number of CPUs, there's System::Info, currently in the making: github.com/lizmat/System-Info 17:15
vetmaster buggable: eco ai 17:17
buggable vetmaster, Found 49 results: Algorithm::Diff, YAML, Bailador, Email::Simple, Email::MIME. See modules.perl6.org/#q=ai
vetmaster buggable: help
buggable vetmaster, tags | tag SOMETAG | eco | eco Some search term | speed
Zoffix There's also a FAQ entry on speed stuff: docs.perl6.org/language/faq#Is_Per...gh_for_me?
vetmaster I've tried it on my machine. And it works pretty fast 17:18
vetmaster The speed is equal to python3 without cashing 17:19
I tried loops and grammars, and it is mostly what I would do with perl6
buggable: tags 17:20
buggable vetmaster, Total: 1582; BUG: 1049; UNTAGGED: 355; LTA: 161; NYI: 94; JVM: 59; RFC: 58; CONC: 56; REGEX: 56; UNI: 30; SEGV: 29; PERF: 24; TESTNEEDED: 23; NATIVECALL: 22; IO: 21; POD: 21; @LARRY: 20; REGRESSION: 20; TODO: 18; PRECOMP: 13; BUILD: 11; OO: 11; TESTCOMMITTED: 11; STAR: 10; OPTIMIZER: 9; BOOTSTRAP: 5; REPL: 5; GLR: 4; MATH: 4; OSX: 4; WEIRD: 4; SPESH: 3; WINDOWS: 3; RT: 2; BELL:
vetmaster buggable: tag @larry
buggable vetmaster, There are 20 tickets tagged with @LARRY; See perl6.fail/t/@LARRY for details
Zoffix vetmaster: it's a bit of a rough landscape though. Last week I hit onto this issue where writing the same thing differently makes it 70 times slower, for example: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id...et-history
There's also #zofbot where you can play with the bots without spamming everyone in the channel. 17:21
vetmaster sorry :) I'd like to find a good lib for machine learning 17:21
is Acme::Skynet the best? 17:22
Zoffix `Acme::` namespace usually means it's a joke module
vetmaster: you might have better luck searching metacpan.org/ (those are Perl 5 modules) and using what you find via Inline::Perl5
buggable: eco Inline::Perl5
buggable Zoffix, Inline::Perl5 'Use Perl 5 code in a Perl 6 program': github.com/niner/Inline-Perl5
vetmaster zofbot: eco AI:: 17:24
vetmaster I cloned panda from github to ~/panda folder (Fedora Linux) 17:29
what to do next?
Zoffix Why?
vetmaster: rm -fr ~/panda; cd $(mktemp -d); git clone github.com/ugexe/zef .; perl6 -Ilib bin/zef install . 17:30
panda is an outdated and unloved packaged manager; zef is the new game in town
buggable: eco zef
buggable Zoffix, zef 'It's like [cpanm] wearing high heels with a tracksuit': github.com/ugexe/zef
tadzik you're unloved! 17:36
(but it's deprecated and unmaintained, officially now :P)
Zoffix :(
Fine!
tadzik says so on the readme too
vetmaster i get zef: command not found anyway 17:37
Geth: help 17:38
Geth vetmaster, Source at github.com/perl6/geth To add repo, add an 'application/json' webhook on GitHub pointing it to geth.perl6.party/?chan=#perl6 and choose 'Send me everything' for events to send | use `ver URL to commit` to fetch version bump changes
vetmaster aaaaaaaaaa
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tadzik how can we be of assistance :)
vetmaster :) I've done the following: cd $(mktemp -d); git clone github.com/ugexe/zef . 17:39
and then: perl6 -Ilib bin/zef install . 17:40
but neither in that temp folder nor in the ~ folder zef isn't being found
what the problem is that? 17:41
[Coke] what's the exact error message when you run that? 17:45
(or does that work and *then* you can't find zef's installed location?) 17:46
vetmaster bash: zef: command not found
[Coke] that's when running 'perl6 -Ilib bin/zef install .' ? 17:47
vetmaster after that
so, the process is finished, but then I can't call zef as "zef"
[Coke] and was there any output when running the install command?
[Coke] Also, what OS? 17:48
vetmaster Fedora Linux
output:
==> Bootstrapping Panda ==> Installing panda from a local directory '/home/sivan/perl6/panda' ==> panda depends on File::Find, Shell::Command, JSON::Fast, File::Which ==> Shell::Command depends on File::Find ==> Fetching File::Find ==> Building File::Find ==> Testing File::Find t/01-file-find.t .. ok
etc.
[Coke] ... panda?
vetmaster sorry, it is not the needed log 17:49
[Coke] anything long, please use a paste service.
vetmaster pastebin.com/vchSsmA5 17:50
timotimo it tells you where the zef binary is put, that folder has to go into your PATH 17:51
vetmaster all right :) I'll set a shortcut then. 17:52
thank you
SmokeMachine is there any type like Weak Map? 17:56
timotimo other binaries will also be installed there
SmokeMachine: we don't have that in moarvm yet
SmokeMachine timotimo: thanks! 17:57
hythm Is there syntax highlighting for repl? 18:02
timotimo there is not 18:08
hythm Thank you! 18:09
Geth doc: b070999f33 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
[io grant] Document IO::Spec::*.path

Rakudo impl: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/0547979373
   github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/8992af131b
   github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/816b2d4bfa
Tests: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/7266522699
   github.com/perl6/roast/commit/6ac3b4aabd
   github.com/perl6/roast/commit/8e445f8576		 18:41
timotimo starpath
Geth doc: d5f7971558 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
Fix head numbering
 19:10
nine ~ 19:17
yoleaux 16:36Z <lizmat> nine: noted and nine++ :-)
nine moritz_: thanks, fixed!
Geth doc: bace8ffcf5 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 5 files
[io grant] Document IO::Path*.perl
 19:38
ingy Greetings. tony-o++ figued out how to bind libyaml to p6 so I should have a working (and fast) YAML implementation out under the YAML namespace... very soon. 20:13
lizmat ingy: if that's within the next 2 hours, it will make it to this week's Perl 6 Weekly 20:19
eater :') 20:29
beginner hello 21:06
is there any approach in perl6 similar to JcoBox 21:07
eater Zoffix isa-ok, doesn't work on the exception :( cmp-ok ..cause.., '~~', X::OS does however 21:10
[Coke] beginner: based on the one paragraph I just read on some .de site, perhaps this might help: www.jnthn.net/papers/2015-yapcasia-...rrency.pdf
beginner the present distribution does not have OO::Actors...how to use it 22:40
timotimo have you tried installing it? 22:42
timotimo beginner: like, "zef install OO::Actors"? 22:46
beginner yes 22:47
timotimo and that didn't work? 22:49
beginner timotimo : it shows up error "Failed to update p6c mirror Enabled fectching backends [path] don't understand" 22:54
timotimo i've seen this from someone else recently, but the installation still went through in that case 22:55
try it with: zef install github.com/jnthn/oo-actors/archive/master.zip 22:56
beginner timotimo : Enabled fetching backends [path] don't understand github.com/jnthn/oo-actors/archive/master.zip You may need to configure one of the following backends, or install its underlying software - [git wget curl pswebrequest] in method fetch at C:\rakudo\share\perl6\site\sources\A48CF21F42885E27DBC7EBC4927226101DEAD45B (Zef::Fetch) line 12 in code at C:\rakudo\share\perl6\site\sources\4B1D5A60B59D9541E13F76E0E2A2D55 23:06
timotimo do you have wget or curl available? 23:07
beginner yes 23:09
timotimo anyway, you can just download and unpack that zip file, cd into it and then "zef install ."
would be interesting to figure out why zef can't do it
on my machine i can use that exact command and it works, the one with the .zip 23:11
the "zef install ..." 23:12
but somehow the module's tests crash on my local version
timotimo ooooh i still had a very strict ulimit set 23:14
beginner timotimo : so the actor module doesn't work perfect? 23:16
timotimo no, i set my shell up so that basically everything would crash
lizmat is too tired to finish up the Perl 6 Weekly now 23:16
it should be published about 9 hours from now
sleep& 23:17
timotimo good rest, lizmat!
yeah, OO::Monitors installs just fine
beginner timotimo : finally done with installing...Thanks 23:21

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