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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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timotimo SDL and VPython are two very different things altogether 00:02
azawawi timotimo: i meant we need a simple 3D library on top of SDL like VPython's 00:03
timotimo ah 00:04
since vpython has a "scene" thing, it's much more than i'd call a "3d library"
though to be honest, i'm a bit "damaged" in my expectations of what a 3d library would do by having used opengl (a long time ago) 00:05
azawawi im stuck since yesterday on a weird 3D 2D C array problem in ex011.p6 (PLplot) 00:06
:)
opengl is cool but what vpython does perfectly is making complicated 3D stuff simple while providing advanced options 00:07
timotimo maybe it'd be a good idea to model something off of three.js 00:08
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azawawi or go crazy and port obelisk.js to Perl 6 :) 00:10
codepen.io/slobaum/pen/zhmFL
on my todo list
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timotimo i remember you spoke about it before 00:29
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BenGoldberg wonders if that map is for simcity2000 or xbattle ;) 01:16
Geth doc: 8b77d0f56a | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Supply.pod6
Fix typo
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zostay MasterDuke: will do, thx 01:41
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zostay .tell lizmat rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=131386 01:49
yoleaux zostay: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
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travis-ci Doc build errored. Zoffix Znet 'Fix typo' 02:06
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/236791842 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/9f2e7...77d0f56a23
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fatguy how do i test can-ok on class ? 05:14
i used this on testing class : can-ok ::(module)::math, 'new', 'ok loading math class'; 05:22
any good practices ?
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llfourn fatguy: if ::(module)::match is a class then that looks fine 05:47
math*
if it's not working you might try ::(module).WHO<math> and see if that works 05:48
fatguy llfourn: thanks! 05:54
llfourn m: use Test; say ::("Test")::.keys; say ::("Test").WHO.keys 05:56
camelia ()
(&todo_output EXPORT &failure_output &output)
llfourn fatguy: yep, that's still a bug
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Geth ecosystem: finanalyst++ created pull request #343:
add Task::Popular distribution (correct typo in earlier module)		 06:24
ecosystem: 719a6c2c72 | (Richard Hainsworth)++ (committed by Zoffix Znet) | META.list
add Task::Popular distribution (#343)
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smls bisectable6: my (@a, @b) := [Z] <a 1>, <b 2>, <c 3>; say @a; 06:55
bisectable6 smls, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.12 new=a0b6f6b). Old exit code: 1
smls, bisect log: gist.github.com/54a125252b5d73d42c...cf6f752770
smls, (2017-04-28) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/98...dfe6169dbd
smls yay, that's another RT I can close 06:56
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lizmat . 08:49
yoleaux 01:49Z <zostay> lizmat: rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=131386
lizmat fixed with github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/87d0e0a39e
Geth doc: 6dd92b899e | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 6 files
[io grant] Document IO::CatHandle

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lizmat Zoffix++ # making a dream come true 08:53
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moritz nadim: nice! 08:58
nadim and 10 times shorter than .gist 08:59
zengargoyle hrmm.... "Remember the various regexes we experimented for extracting dates" vs "Remember the various regexes we experimented with for extracting dates"?
nadim moritz: but to be fair it is specialized; not only does it handle long strings, etc ... but it also knows about what JSON::Tiny returns and decide to inline sub elements or not show them at all 09:00
zengargoyle wonders if this is some Queen's English vs American English sort of thing. worthy of pull-request or not? 09:02
nadim moritz: the JSON::Tiny filter github.com/nkh/P6-Data-Dump-Tree/b...l#L67-L103
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zengargoyle is sending pull-requests/issues to thinkinperl6 09:09
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Voldenet zengargoyle: well the meaning in both cases is different 09:14
"experiment" a regex would mean "to determine what it would do in that case"
...I think 09:15
and "experiment with" would sound that you tried a few of them and picked one that worked best, hm
www.macmillandictionary.com/diction...periment_2 1st vs 2nd meaning :P 09:17
actually most dicts give you similar two meanings onelook.com/?w=experiment&ls=a 09:18
zengargoyle yeah, i'm torn. it just made my brain lock up for a moment reading it. like 'in line' vs 'on line' or 'in the hospital' vs 'in hospital'. 09:19
or 'queue' as the brits say.
Voldenet eh, americans don't say 'queue'? :o 09:20
ah, "line"
but "fifo line" sounds unprofessional, I'm still "queueing", so I can get bonus points for vowel spree ;) 09:21
zengargoyle 'the things that we experimented' is sorta wierd vs 'the things we experimented with'...
moritz queue implies fifo 09:22
zengargoyle so does in a line :P
hahainternet queue is indeed the correct spelling and concept :)
zengargoyle this american watched too much brittish tv as a child in the south and was accused of being a damn yankee by teachers for talking weird. :) 09:24
hahainternet wow that's just depressing zengargoyle :(
Voldenet > docs.perl6.org/routine/pack#role_Blob 09:25
"Considered experimental" ~ should I inline p5's pack/unpack for this? 09:26
zengargoyle meh, just like Perl* i'm liberal in input. :P
Geth doc: 0653d31fbb | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/IO/CatHandle.pod6
Fix formatting issue
zengargoyle hence not knowing if 'which' is needed.... 09:27
github.com/LaurentRosenfeld/thinkp...s.tex#L399 09:28
zengargoyle has also been recently watching a bunch of brit Royal Institute lectures with experiments so 'the things we experimented' also makes some sense in that 'experimented' is the like the meta of the experiments as a whole but 'experimented with' is the collective of all of the individual experiments which each stand on their own. 09:37
hahainternet i don't think you can use "experimented" like that, i'm no linguist though 09:40
but it would be more appropriate to be "the experimentation"
lizmat
.oO( we can verb anything )
hahainternet well in the verbed noun form this would be fine "they experimented" as in "they medalled" 09:41
El_Che IANAL aka "I am not a linguist"
hahainternet but referring to the subject by it?
you wouldn't say "the events we medalled"
so yeah, if it'd be "the events in which we medalled" i contest it's also "the things with which we experimented" 09:42
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zengargoyle the events we medalled with 09:45
hahainternet surely "in", the events were not the tool 09:46
anyway, i have a grade C qualification in english
so not really the most appropriate to correct you
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zengargoyle hahainternet: you can't correct me, i don't know either. :P 09:54
it just makes my native us english brain go bonk but might not even be a blip for the whole rest of the english speaking world. 09:57
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zengargoyle decides there are no strong opinions either way and continues reading for something more black and white. 10:06
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lolo78 zengargoyle: I have tried to use American English throughout Think Perl 6 book. The issue might just be that English is not my mother tongue, so I might not be always very precise with these things. Laurent R. 10:15
That said, the book has been reviewed by three professional editors and proofreaders at O'Reilly, I would think they would have picked it up if it was really a mistake.
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Zoffix Znet 'Fix formatting issue' 10:16
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/236849498 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/6dd92...53d31fbbd5
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pmurias hmm, building nqp-js currently requires building nqp-m (and moar). What should 'perl Configure.PL --backends=js --gen-nqp' in rakudo.js do? 10:35
zengargoyle lolo78: i understand and that's why i'm cautious. 10:36
lolo78: and great work and enjoyable read (or at least skimming through). 10:38
lolo78: feel free to ignore me if i make some random comments. :) 10:39
lolo78 zengargoyle: oh, no, any comment that might help improve the book is welcome. (Even though it is too late now for the printed version, since the dead tree version is out by now. I can still improve the e-version.) 10:47
Even though I tried to make it as good as I reasonably could, I am aware it does not even come close to perfection. 10:48
zengargoyle lolo78: i am skimming through and reading interesting bits and came across a few sentences/paragraphs here and there that made me stop and re-read a couple of times to understans. 10:49
but not 'horribly broken' or maybe not 'just not quite my dialect of english' and probabbly 'just fine'. 10:50
lolo78 You're welcome to send comments at this address: think.perl6 (at) gmail.com. Or to raise issues on GitHub as you did already. 10:52
zengargoyle cool :) and many thanks for your work and for putting it out there. 10:54
lolo78 BTW, I have added "zengargoyle" in the contributors' list. Please let me know if you wish to appear under another name.
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araraloren lolo78++ :) 11:02
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zengargoyle wishes he could dig up enough of three years of high school french to say something witty. 11:10
mst je suis desolee mais j'ai oubliee le plus part de la langue francaise que j'ai etudie 11:12
zengargoyle i'm desolate but i forgot most of the french that i studed. ????
jnthn Probably studied rather than studed :) 11:13
zengargoyle lol
jnthn I remember "je suis desolee" is "I'm sorry" :)
At school they taught me to pass a French exam rather than to speak French. I passed the exam with the top grade. But I was darn useless if I had to actually use the language. :/ 11:14
In like, a situation other than an exam.
zengargoyle back in the day while reading 'Less Than Zero' I had a brain fart where i didn't understant WTF was that word. it was that chapter where it was in frend and i hit a word that i didn't know. 11:15
lolo78 jnthn: except that if you say "je suis desolee", you are talking as a female person. :)
A man would say "Je suis désolé". 11:17
jnthn That would be an acute mistake...
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mst zengargoyle: 'je suis desolee' is more "I'm very sorry" 11:25
lolo78: yeah, see the "I've forgotten most of it" bit ;)
every time I type or say it I always manage to make at least one mistake
quelle fuckin' surprise ;)
zengargoyle strangely enough, french is like the third languge in my area, but i rarely hear it. the crosswalks have french markings but i only hear english and ermenian. 11:26
zengargoyle blames decades old high school choose latin/spanish/french ... probabbly should have chosen latin. :P 11:34
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El_Che nxadm.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/so-...endencies/ <-- a blog post where I mention mst, now that he's here 11:42
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mst also worth noting Object::Remote exists since that's excellent for zero-deployment 12:03
I thought lexical importing meant "Soon, you’ll be able to load different versions of the same library in the same program." was viable now? 12:04
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El_Che mst: I haven't seen that in the wild yet 12:14
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lucasb Hello o/ 12:16
araraloren hi o\
El_Che Object::Remote does solve one time of deployment, but a lot of use cases need something more simple
lucasb would "().Seq" be the most simple way to create a Seq for demonstration purporses? 12:18
I saw something about Seqs binding to arrays in the backlog and RT
just a sec :) 12:19
araraloren There are some case can return a Seq. Please refer this : docs.perl6.org/type/Seq 12:20
llfourn m: <one two three>.map(*.uc).^name.say # seems pretty simple 12:21
camelia Seq
llfourn m: (loop { }).^name.say
camelia Seq
lucasb thanks for the examples and reference 12:24
araraloren m: WHAT(<1 2 3> Z=> <4 5 6>).say
camelia (Seq)
lucasb has been lots of months since I don't touch Perl 6. I forgot the little I knew 12:26
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araraloren There are many many many ... feature in Perl6 .. 12:29
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zengargoyle mst: i really thought that when IO changes broke my tests I might be able to just throw a pair of {} around it with a 'use v6.c;' at the front and it would magiallly start working again... :( 12:32
i only hope that what i was doing wasn't actuall in the spectests that describe 6.c 12:36
lolo78: i am zengargoyle (at) gmail.com should the need arise. 12:41
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user3 I'm new to perl6. I want to make visible all names in a module I just defined: module mymod { our $x = 42; }; use mymod; 14:03
doesn't work
moritz user3: after that you can use $mymod::x 14:04
user3: and you can give subs an "is export" trait to make it available in the calling module
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araraloren Yeah, you should export by add `is export`, such as { our $x is export = 42; } 14:06
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user3 module mymod { our $x is export = 42; }; use mymod; 14:08
i still get error messages
i'll put them in a pastebin...
pastebin.com/n5hCJU34 14:12
araraloren m: module mymod { our $x is export = 42; }; say $mymod::x;
camelia 42
araraloren m: module mymod { our $x = 42; }; say $mymod::x;
camelia 42
araraloren m: module mymod { my $x = 42; }; say $mymod::x;
camelia (Any)
geekosaur if your rakudo is old, use won't work and you have to do something like: mymod->IMPORT(); 14:13
or mymod.IMPORT() or whatever that syntax was
user3 This is Rakudo version 2017.04.3-176-g824cfa3 built on MoarVM version 2017.04-56-g8ad18b8
geekosaur actually I wonder fi that was even changed... 14:14
araraloren mymod is under current scope. Use is except a **compunit**
geekosaur m: module mymod { our $x is export = 42; }; use mymod; 14:15
camelia ===SORRY!===
Could not find mymod at line 1 in:
/home/camelia/.perl6
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/site
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/vendor
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6
CompUnit::Repos…
araraloren s/except/expect /
user3 the compiler seems to be looking for external modules while I just want it to compile the trivial module mymod
could that be something in my environment? like my enviornment variables? 14:16
araraloren No, use expect a **compunit**, not a module/class name 14:17
geekosaur m: module mymod { our $x is export = 42; }; import mymod; dd $x
camelia Int $x = 42
araraloren You **use** a compunit, then import module/class/variable etc
use == need + import 14:18
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araraloren Sorry my english is so poor. If you understand what i said, I will appreciate . 14:20
geekosaur araraloren, I understand but I think it's LTA that "need" doesn't turn into a no-op here
user3 well, for now I'm trying to run basic perl6 examples. I'd just like a way to dump all names in the module mymod into the current scope 14:21
geekosaur basically I should be able to write code that doesn't have to know how mymod came into existenced
user3 it appears more complicated than in other languages
araraloren m: module mymod { my $x is export = 42; }; say $mymod::x;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Can't apply trait 'is export' on a my scoped variable. Only our scoped variables are supported.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3module mymod { my $x is export7⏏5 = 42; }; say $mymod::x;
expecting any o…
araraloren m: module mymod { my $x is export = 42; }; import mymod; say $mymod::x; 14:22
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Can't apply trait 'is export' on a my scoped variable. Only our scoped variables are supported.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3module mymod { my $x is export7⏏5 = 42; }; import mymod; say $mymod::x;
e…
user3 araraloren: that works
Geth doc: 0364b594f3 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
Correct mixed list/item assignment example, dogbert17++
moritz there you go, now you're dogbert18 :-)
user3 but I'd like to make all names visible in the current scope
geekosaur user3, that's only true for a small subset of "other languages" that don't really have the concept of lexical variables
moritz user3: but why? modules are for encapsulation
sharing everything runs counter the idea of encapsulation 14:23
araraloren When you want some name visible, you should add trait `is export` for it.
user3 ok 14:24
m: module mymod { our $x = 42; }; say $mymod::y; 14:25
camelia (Any)
user3 I'd rather have the compiler return an error message, given that y doesn't exist 14:26
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user3 referecing the nonexisting variable y isnt detected at compile time :( 14:26
araraloren Yeah, Is it a BUG here .? 14:27
user3 ?
araraloren moritz, Why rakudo not report error when refer a name not exists ? 14:29
ufobat woups
moar just crashed
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dogbert17 m: for <ab:c d$e fgh ij*> { .say if m/<!alpha>/; } # why is 'fgh' printed here? 14:32
camelia ab:c
d$e
fgh
ij*
araraloren m: for <ab:c d$e fgh ij*> { if m/<!alpha>/ { say $/; } } 14:34
camelia ｢｣
｢｣
｢｣
｢｣
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araraloren + 14:35
m: for <ab:c d$e fgh ij*> { if m/<:!alpha>/ { say $/; } } 14:37
camelia ｢:｣
｢$｣
｢*｣
araraloren m: for <ab:c d$e fgh ij*> { .say if m/<:!alpha>/; } 14:38
camelia ab:c
d$e
ij*
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dogbert17 araraloren++, so a colon was missing 14:38
araraloren I dont' know, I was also confused here. 14:39
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dogbert17 it's odd, should all subrules have a : in them, e.g. <:digit> 14:42
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araraloren dogbert17, no, document said <digit> is same as <:L> 14:43
m: for <ab:c d$e fgh ij*> { if m/<alpha><!alpha>/ { say $/; say "-" ~ $/.Str ~ "-"; } } 14:46
camelia ｢b｣
alpha => ｢b｣
-b-
｢d｣
alpha => ｢d｣
-d-
｢h｣
alpha => ｢h｣
-h-
｢j｣
alpha => ｢j｣
-j-
araraloren I think that what you mean , dogbert17 14:48
m: for <ab:c d$e fgh ij*> { .say if m/<-alpha>/; } 14:49
camelia ab:c
d$e
ij*
araraloren s/that/that's/
Add a `-` before character class, indicates a complemented character class 14:50
Geth doc: 2b4586c2f9 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
Correct the output from a few code examples
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dogbert17 araraloren, many thanks 14:52
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araraloren dogbert17, you are welcome 14:52
dogbert17, `Note that <!alpha> is different from <-alpha>. /<-alpha>/ is a complemented character class equivalent to /<!before <alpha>> ./, whereas <!alpha> is a zero-width assertion equivalent to a /<!before <alpha>>/ assertion.` 14:53
I found that in Synopsis . 14:54
S05
That's clear now, I think .
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Geth doc: 77972678ac | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
Fixed a broken example. araraloren++
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dogbert17 araraloren: the docs got improved thanks to you :) 14:57
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araraloren dogbert17, :) 14:57
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user3 m: module mymod { our $x is export = 42; }; import mymod; say $x; 15:10
camelia 42
user3 just what i need
what difference does this make if I add "is export" after "module mymode"? 15:11
m: module mymod is export { our $x is export = 42; }; import mymod; say $x;
camelia 42
user3 makes no difference. in every example I ran that made no difference lol 15:12
that's probably because i only ran basic cases 15:13
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araraloren docs.perl6.org/syntax/class 15:25
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nadim timotimo: when asked about filding data dumps like the html output does, where did you want to show it? an application that is done for that? using curses? as part of something else? 15:36
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ufobat is there a class in perl6 that acts as a stringbuffer? 15:38
nadim what's a stringbuffer?
what do you expect it to do? 15:39
ufobat basically str, but immutable. i'd like to have an object and add(Str $s) to it and get the current string in buffer and wipe it
s/immutable/mutable/
mst this seems like a "what are you trying to achieve" sort of situation 15:40
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ufobat id like to have an objects that is IO::Handle and whenever i write onto that handle i wand to push it into a "buffer" (thats the add() thing from above) i'd like to get the current buffer, == everything that was written onto that io::handle and then maybe i like to say .wipe() so buffers are clean 15:42
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ufobat probably a simple @array is sufficient for that, i just thought if there is maybe something and i am reinventing a wheel 15:43
nadim you want to use IO methods on it? 15:44
ufobat aye
not necessarily on the stringbuffer itself
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ufobat this is more o less what i mean: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Test-O...put.pm6#L4 15:45
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[io grant] Document IO::Path.split
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Use direct Str.comb/.split links in IO::*Handle methods
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Zoffix ufobat: there's a bit of a wobbly IO::String module 16:42
buggable: eco IO::String
buggable Zoffix, IO::String 'Emulate file interface for strings': github.com/hoelzro/p6-io-string
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Zoffix ufobat: and in upcoming weeks I plan to make IO::UFO module that basically will let users create custom IO::Handles without needing to implement a gazillion methods, but rather a single writer and/or reader, with possibility of overriding extra methods for, say, perf reasons; kinda like the situation with Iterator 16:44
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Zoffix oh 16:45
buggable: eco middle
buggable Zoffix, Found 4 results: Crust::Middleware::Syslog, Crust::Middleware::Session, IO::MiddleMan, Crust::Middleware::Session::Store::DBIish. See modules.perl6.org/#q=middle
Zoffix buggable: eco IO::middle
buggable Zoffix, IO::MiddleMan 'hijack, capture, or mute writes to an IO::Handle': github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-IO-MiddleMan
Zoffix ufobat: ^ also, maybe that could be useful to whatever you're trying to do
Zoffix wonders how that stuff survived all the recent IO changes 16:46
*how well
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tbrowder hi #perl6 17:05
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Document that IO::Spec::Cygwin.join swaps slashes
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tbrowder is there a way to get the line number of the original pod source when using, say, pod2text? 17:06
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Fixed a few typos
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ufobat .tell zoffix thanks! 17:42
yoleaux ufobat: I'll pass your message to zoffix.
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ufobat what if there would be a "src" button on the sites on doc.perl6.org? when you read about a class or something you might wonder about the implementation.. because i click on src on metacpan quite a lot 17:45
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Zoffix ufobat: I rather we don't do it. Not only is the docs.perl6.org is meant for Perl 6 the language, without relying on any specific implementation, but I also rather people don't know about the internals. There's been a ton of breakage recently because people assumed some IO::Handle methods were implemented in terms of other methods 17:58
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Zoffix Not to mention many methods have multiple candidates for perf reasons, despite the API having just one candidate; which candidate would the docs link to anyway? 17:59
ufobat: there's SourceBaby bot in #zofbot you could use; it provides IRC interface for CoreHackers::Sourcery module: 18:00
Zoffix_0 s: Rakudo::Iterator, 'ReifiedList', \([])
SourceBa Zoffix__, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/cd6a....pm#L2452y
buggable: eco SourceHackery
buggable Zoffix, Nothing found
Zoffix buggable: eco Hackery
buggable Zoffix, Nothing found
Zoffix stupid bot
buggable: eco CoreHackers
buggable Zoffix, CoreHackers::Sourcery 'Helper for showing actual source code locations of core subs and methods': github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-CoreHa...s-Sourcery
Zoffix there we go 18:01
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Zoffix m: say [.file, .line] with &say 18:03
camelia [SETTING::src/core/io_operators.pm 20]
Zoffix ^ there's also that; though Sourcery gives you a direct link to github for the commit your rakudo is built off of 18:04
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El_Che NeuralAnomaly, status 18:12
NeuralAnomaly El_Che, [✘] Next release will be in 2 weeks and 5 days. Since last release, there are 25 new still-open tickets (22 unreviewed and 0 blockers) and 279 unreviewed commits. See perl6.fail/release/stats for details
sftf Hi! Anybody now is there Damian Conway's "400 Years of Perl 6" 2017 video? 18:13
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El_Che sftf: check with sjn if the oslo guys recorded it 18:16
sftf El_Che: thanks 18:19
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Zoffix sftp: there's last year's version; unsure if it changed a lot: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq2HkAYbG5o 18:28
vytautas: did you install the gtk lib? sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-dev 18:29
Per github.com/perl6/gtk-simple/blob/m...requisites
vytautas yes i did, at first it failed earlier in the process and i apt-find found it and installed 18:31
where do we paste stuff?
Zoffix vytautas: gist.github.com/ 18:33
Fails for me too
Zoffix looks
ugh, (pod mixed with code)-- 18:37
vytautas GTK::Simple works so i will have smth to play with in the meantime 18:39
simple but not too simple :P
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Fixed non working code example
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Zoffix Weird. I get a bunch of "WARNING: unhandled Failure detected in DESTROY … Failure was: No such symbol 'GTK::Simple::App'" from it 18:46
With this too: perl6 -e 'sub app (|args) { require GTK::Simple::App; return ::("GTK::Simple::App").new: |args }; for ^50 { app }' 18:47
But not this: perl6 -e 'sub app { require GTK::Simple::App; return ::("GTK::Simple::App").new }; for ^50 { app }'
wtf :s
.tell nine getting weird Failures about symbols in GTK::Simpler checkout. Seem to occur only when .new on looked up symbol is given args. Does it look like an issue with Rakudo? irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-05-28#i_14649906 18:48
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to nine.
Zoffix And goes away in perl6 -e 'sub app (|args) { (require GTK::Simple::App).new: |args }; for ^50 { app }' 18:49
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Use better example in Spec.split
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AlexDaniel c: all my $hash-empty = %(); say $hash-empty.^name; 19:39
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AlexDaniel c: all my $hash-empty = %(); say $hash-empty.^name; 19:41
:|
committable6: help 19:42
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AlexDaniel c: all my $hash-empty = %(); say $hash-empty.^name; 19:43
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦all (41 commits): «Hash»
AlexDaniel \o/
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Update docs for the handle encoding refactor
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BenGoldberg wonders why IO::Path.watch does not accept an optional :$scheduler argument. 19:50
lizmat BenGoldberg: because it is a very old proof of concept
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Touch up unlink docs
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Touch up `tell` docs
El_Che Zoffix in on a roll. The IO grant? 19:53
AlexDaniel how can I print rakudo version? 19:55
I always forget…
El_Che /opt/rakudo/bin/perl6 --version
AlexDaniel without that
m: say $*PERL # that's not it
El_Che telepathy?
camelia Perl 6 (6.c)
AlexDaniel m: say $*VM # almost but not quite? 19:56
camelia moar (2017.05.25.g.62.bc.54.e.9)
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Add examples to handle .read/.readchars
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Use `given` instead of `with` in handle opening

These examples might be copy-pasted into code where ignoring failures in open might be a bad idea.		 20:00
AlexDaniel m: say $*PERL.compiler.version
camelia v2017.05.282.gb.3.cd.299.e.1
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Remove IO::Path.watch

The method was entirely unspecced and not part of Perl 6 language.
Removed from Rakudo in:
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moritz nooo
I actually use that :(
lizmat nooooo
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Zoffix moritz: use IO::Notification.watch-path: $path 20:14
wamba m: my  $fr=FatRat.new(17685594380071097, 5629499534213120); say $fr," ", $fr.fmt("%.20f") 20:15
camelia 3.14159265358979258 3.14159265358979000000
moritz Zoffix: that won't help with code published in a print magazine :(
BenGoldberg Zoffix, It should go through a deprecation cycle.
Zoffix Well. It was never part of the language :|
moritz it was documented 20:16
the docs don't make it clear if it's not tested, and thus "never part of the language"
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Revert "Remove IO::Path.watch"

This reverts commit ef9f453d5ab4b3fc4637830c4b5ab3ee003088a8.
Per: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-05-28#i_14650194		 20:17
moritz thanks
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ufobat could someone explain me the signature of this method? multi method ACCEPTS(Str:D: Str:D \other) 20:38
i don't get 'Str:D:' 20:39
Zoffix ufobat: the invocant is a string 20:41
that isn't a type object
docs.perl6.org/type/Signature#inde...ned_Values 20:42
ufobat your link is just about the :U and :D, right? 20:44
Zoffix yeah 20:46
m: class Foo { multi method x (Foo:D:) { say "instance" }; multi method x(:Foo:U:) { say "type object" } }; Foo.x; Foo.new.x
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing block
at <tmp>:1
------> 3D:) { say "instance" }; multi method x(:7⏏5Foo:U:) { say "type object" } }; Foo.x;
ufobat this was clear
Zoffix m: class Foo { multi method x (Foo:D:) { say "instance" }; multi method x(Foo:U:) { say "type object" } }; Foo.x; Foo.new.x 20:47
camelia type object
instance
ufobat but not the 'Str:D:' from 'Str:D: Str:D \other'
the very first part
a 20:48
hhh
Zoffix ufobat: it's two Str:D, the first one being the invocant (the object the method is called on). So, Str.ACCEPTS: 'foo' won't hit that candidate (invocant is not :D); 'foo'.ACCEPTS: 'foo' will (both are :D); 'foo'.ACCEPTS: Str won't (arg is not :D); 'foo'.ACCEPTS: 42 won't (arg is not a Str)
ufobat got it :) 20:49
is there a reason for this syntax, now i understand it my first tought is, why do you repeat yourself 20:50
Zoffix Repeat how?
You're specifying two arguments. Hence two Str:Ds 20:51
ufobat why not, for example, just class MyClass { multi method foo(:D:)...}
but it is always the same class from method? right
i coudnt class Foo { multi method (Bar:D:) {...} } or could i? 20:52
Zoffix Yeah, you could 20:53
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ufobat how does it make sense? 20:53
when i have class Foo with method foo, the invocant is allways Foo (or a class that inherits from it) 20:55
Zoffix m: class Bar {…}; class Foo { multi method x(Bar:) { say "nice subclass, bruh" }; multi method x() { say "booo no subclass" } }; class Bar is Foo {}; Foo.x; Bar.x 20:56
camelia booo no subclass
nice subclass, bruh
ufobat if Bar inherits from Foo i would change the behaviour of method foo in Bar i would change the source there
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ufobat i see 20:58
thank you Zoffix :)
Zoffix And same for Str:D; keep in mind it does Stringy and is Cool, Any, and Mu. It's nice to be explicit and say what the cindidate is for rather than save 3 characters of typing and risk weird bugs when some parent class adds another candidate.
m: class Foo does Stringy { multi method Bool(Any:D) { say 'ooops... this candidate is not being hit' } }.new.Bool.say
camelia True
Zoffix (and I notice the plain `(:D:)` syntax don't even work
m: class Foo does Stringy { multi method Bool(::?CLASS:D) { say 'ooops... this candidate is not being hit' } }.new.Bool.say 20:59
camelia True
Zoffix m: class Foo does Stringy { multi method Bool(::?CLASS:D:) { say 'ooops... this candidate is not being hit' } }.new.Bool.say
camelia ooops... this candidate is not being hit
True
Zoffix guess it could mean that if it were made to work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
\o
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[io grant] Fix rmdir docs

  - Document sub form takes a list of dirs and returns a list
  - Toss non-empty-dir-removing snippet as it's buggy and leaks handles.
   We have a module for the job; recommend it.		 21:08
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