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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Discuss performance benefits of native types”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1534#i...-341855126 00:00
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “False-positives on “Perl 6 Types” page”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1649 00:10
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “False-positives on “Perl 6 Types” page”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1649
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AlexDaniel .tell samcv you were assigned here :) github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1517 Actually, I think anyone can write about it, so feel free to unassign yourself 00:11
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to samcv.
ryn1x I've been reading all the renaming Perl6 posts and blogs and while I do like Perl 6... a name just came to me that I think might be appropriate. What about Monarch? Then we could keep Camelia with P6 still hidden in the wings as a tribute to it’s history. It would also symbolize the next phase for the language; after it has emerged from it’s chrysalis and is no longer a new version of Perl, but a new 00:14
language entirely. Feel free to tell me it is a terrible idea!
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AlexDaniel ryn1x: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-11-01#i_15387453 00:16
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AlexDaniel huggable: I came up with a new name :is: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-11-01#i_15387453 00:17
huggable AlexDaniel, Added I came up with a new name as irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-11-01#i_15387453
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AlexDaniel ryn1x: also goo.gl/NcdTxV 00:20
NEXT :) 00:21
ryn1x Alias, my bad. 00:22
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squashable6 🍕 jnthn++ wrote a comment on “Discuss performance benefits of native types”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1534#i...-341857521 00:25
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by jnthn++! ♥
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squashable6 🍕 jnthn++ wrote a comment on “Add Metamodel::EnumHOW page”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1648#iss...-341858608 00:37
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Geth marketing: 47a1da3277 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
Add info on requests

indicating people can ask us to design marketing materials		 00:52
squashable6 🍕 raiph++ opened issue “`eof` doc; reword to avo…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650 00:54
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by raiph++! ♥
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squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “`eof` doc; reword to avo…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650#i...-341861211 01:13
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samcv AlexDaniel`, thanks for the heads up 01:36
yoleaux 00:11Z <AlexDaniel> samcv: you were assigned here :) github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1517 Actually, I think anyone can write about it, so feel free to unassign yourself
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COMBORICO Ryn1x, you still there? 01:43
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ZzZombo "The IO::Path type offers two other handy methods: .words and .lines that lazily read the file in smaller chunks and return Seq objects that (by default) don't keep already-consumed values around." 02:29
didn't that get changed?
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Zoffix ZzZombo: no. You might be thinking of .comb and .split that were made non-lazy (at least until we implement Cat type) 02:47
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ZzZombo ??? "Made IO::Path.lines non-lazy so it can always close the file handle [0083c4f]" 02:51
Found it.
github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...2017.03.md
Zoffix ZzZombo: it was reverted during IO grant. 02:52
ZzZombo Good. 02:53
Zoffix ZzZombo: IO::Path just delegates to IO::Handle here: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...th.pm#L638 and IO::Handle uses !LINES-ITERATOR: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...#L491-L508 and lines iterator reads lazily: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...#L450-L487 02:54
:/ ToolChain summit pics are restricted: www.flickr.com/photos/101485128@N0...688805565/ and Yahoo wants my phone number to create an account... No way I'm giving anything to Yahoo :/ 02:55
Was trying to find this pic in better quality pbs.twimg.com/media/C_9ZW8cVYAAOqr4.jpg
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Zoffix Oh found non-restricted link: www.flickr.com/photos/101485128@N0...688805565/ the restricted one was listed on the Weekly BTW: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/...-21-yap6b/ (first one in "Other posts" section) 02:57
Huh. The two URLs are the same :| 02:59
ZofBot: Flikr's screwing with me!
ZofBot Zoffix, i assume its useful for -something-
Zoffix I hope so...
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geekosaur soem things have referrer restrictions 03:13
even in this day and age
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on “Mention ｢my %h{Int}｣ syn…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1588#i...-341868960 03:38
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on “Grammar.parse talks abou…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1583#i...-341869207 03:44
🍕 W4anD0eR96++ closed issue “Grammar.parse talks abou…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1583
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ opened issue “Grammar .parse, details about *%opt needed”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1651 03:49
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ZzZombo seems like perl6 doesn't wanna deal with BOM in files. 03:57
Or something, IDK. 03:58
"Malformed UTF-8 at line 1 col 1"
the file has the BOM at the start.
My text viewer reports it's in UTF-16, but the `:enc` option to `Grammar.parsefile` doesn't make it fly. 03:59
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ edited issue “False-positives on “Perl 6 Types” page”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1649 04:00
ZzZombo Instead it seems to give me strange characters in unexpected positions.
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Zoffix IIRC we should do handle it 04:07
s/should //;
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ZzZombo Ah, welp, forgot to `chcp 65001`, that's why the strange characters. 05:01
False alarm.
But still, why does it not use the BOM to open in the right encoding?
geekosaur because that's an old Windows-ism explicitly disavowed by the Unicode standard: the BOM is only defined in >8bit encodings, so not in UTF-7 or UTF-8 05:03
Microsoft eventually stopped doing it, but Windows programmers being Windows programmers (cf. skipping Windows 9) you still fidn programs icorrectly adding BOMs to UTF-8 files 05:04
ZzZombo But the file IS in UTF-16.
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ZzZombo Every program and tester I've used confirms that. 05:05
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geekosaur hm. in that case the decoder should be dealing 05:05
.ask samcv should the UTF16 (not UTF8!) reader be handling BOMs? 05:06
yoleaux geekosaur: I'll pass your message to samcv.
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samcv geekosaur, hm 05:23
yoleaux 05:06Z <geekosaur> samcv: should the UTF16 (not UTF8!) reader be handling BOMs?
samcv does it handle it at all geekosaur?
Geth doc/doc-regex-interpolation: 9893517423 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Document Regex Interpolation

I think it's worthy to be documented, because people will looking for a way to using patten given at the runtime.
But I'm not sure if this's the only way to interpolate patten(string) into regex.		 05:24
doc: W4anD0eR96++ created pull request #1652:
Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ opened pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652
samcv geekosaur, there seems to be code to check for BOM in there at least 05:26
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geekosaur samcv, ZzZombo was having the issue 05:39
check backscroll
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samcv ah. i see 05:42
well utf-8 ignores BOM
and it defaults to utf-8
so is the question if we should default to some form of detection rather than defaulting to utf-8 or not i suppose 05:43
your thoughts on that would be appriciated btw 05:44
ZzZombo Yeah, I expected it to attempt to detect the encoding IF there is BOM. 05:45
Then fall back to UTF-8, otherwise.
samcv i believe with utf8 you are supposed to ignore the BOM so if we did that we'd have to default to autodetect or something 05:47
and wait for 6.d to do it
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Alex Chen 'Document Regex Interpolation 05:48
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/297103628 github.com/perl6/doc/commit/98935174232d
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samcv geekosaur, thoughts on that? 05:57
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Geth doc: 1139c6d6ec | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Signature.pod6
Document what `is rw` stands for

fix #1639		 07:26
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Signature
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ closed issue “rw (what it stands for)”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1639
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on “doc >>. on lists of Callables”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1643#i...-341878217 07:33
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Geth doc/W4anD0eR96-patch-1: 739b25786c | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | htmlify.p6
disable generate title with "Documentation for"

fix #1623		 07:39
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Geth doc: 5e65409088 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | htmlify.p6
Title generated without useless start

fix #1623		 07:43
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ closed issue “Useless "Documentation for " in some page titles.”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1623
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buggable New CPAN upload: Acme-Test-Module-1.0.1.tar.gz by SKAJI cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SK/...0.1.tar.gz 07:47
New CPAN upload: Acme-Test-Module-1.0.2.tar.gz by SKAJI cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SK/...0.2.tar.gz 07:57
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Geth doc: fafd286256 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/operators.pod6
doc operators' ASCII/Unicode variants

fix #1560		 08:20
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/operators
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ closed issue “doc ≅ (unicode for =~=)”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1560
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buggable New CPAN upload: Acme-Test-Module-1.0.3.tar.gz by SKAJI cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SK/...0.3.tar.gz 08:27
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Useless "Documentation for " in some page titles.”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1623#i...-341882993 09:17
🍕 AlexDaniel++ reopened issue “Useless "Documentation for " in some page titles.”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1623
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zakame hi all 09:18
pmurias zakame: hi 09:19
araraloren hi zakame
Geth doc: 494b842151 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Fix the heading in traps
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
AlexDaniel wander: o/ :) 09:22
m: say ‘42’ ~~ /\d+/ 09:24
camelia ｢42｣
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wander \o 09:26
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#dis...r148926351 09:27
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#dis...r148926399
🍕 AlexDaniel++ submitted a review on pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#pul...w-74250651
🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited a review on pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#pul...w-74250651
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#dis...r148926356
AlexDaniel geez
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Add Metamodel::EnumHOW page”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1648#iss...-341883622 09:29
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ self-assigned issue “Handle enum types specially in type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/72 09:30
AlexDaniel that one is the oldest doc issue that is still open :)
geekosaur would say underscores are fine, insofar as they are a warning that you're poking at internals 09:33
AlexDaniel so MOP is “internals”? 09:34
geekosaur (come to think of it, if *that* isn't documented somewhere, perhaps it should be)
well, implementation details, as jnthn noted in the prior comment 09:35
AlexDaniel jnthn also said that eventually we want to have it spec-ed
which makes it part of the perl 6 language, and that I guess means that it won't longer be some internal thing 09:36
geekosaur not exactly. I'd actually prefer putting warnings in it that it's not part of the public perl 6 interface and may be non-portable or subject to change, and using it is at one's own risk
AlexDaniel but I don't really know
geekosaur as I read jnthn's comment, he'd prefer not to spec it but thinks it might become necessary 09:37
AlexDaniel in other words, eventually we'll get rid of underscores there?
geekosaur if it ends up becoming spec then likely yes
AlexDaniel hm
geekosaur unless we still want to maintain some kind of 'this is implementation detail' distinction, but that starts becoming dicey if it ends up part of the spec 09:38
I'm not real keen on making it spec, since it makes it harder to change if we come up with a better way to do things 09:39
Geth doc/doc-regex-interpolation: 6ea6243802 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Update regexes.pod6
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ synchronize pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652
geekosaur I mean, by the same arguments about exposing it, one could argue nqp which is already being used in places should be a spec candidate
which, no.
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ submitted a review on pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#pul...w-74250906 09:40
🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#dis...r148926615
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Add Metamodel::EnumHOW page”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1648#iss...-341884149
Geth doc: 5d08cfcc98 | (Brian Duggan)++ | doc/Type/Metamodel/EnumHOW.pod6
Add Metamodel::EnumHOW page

Resolves #1642
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Metamodel/EnumHOW
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “Deadlink for Metamodel::…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1642
Geth doc: 310efd33b6 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Metamodel/EnumHOW.pod6
Merge pull request #1648 from perl6/enum_how

Add Metamodel::EnumHOW page
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ merged pull request “Add Metamodel::EnumHOW page”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1648
geekosaur documenting it is fine but I'd include big warnings about it being non-spec and use at your own risk. Likewise for any nqp docs 09:41
and would be very cautious about spec-ing things that could end up tying you to a particular implementation 09:42
hm, I should proabbly be saying this in the ticket...
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AlexDaniel yes please :) 09:43
or in a git commit, it's squashathon after all :) 09:44
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ submitted a review on pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#pul...w-74250987 09:45
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#dis...r148926692
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tbrowder fwiw, just saw o’reilly’s programming newsletter article showing perl is most disliked language. 09:45
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#dis...r148926707 09:46
🍕 W4anD0eR96++ submitted a review on pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#pul...w-74251003
🍕 geekosaur++ wrote a comment on “Add Metamodel::EnumHOW page”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1648#iss...-341884415
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by geekosaur++! ♥
Geth doc/doc-regex-interpolation: b58e2dc9b4 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Update regexes.pod6
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ synchronize pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652
🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “ClassHOW and EnumHOW pag…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1653 09:50
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “ClassHOW and EnumHOW pag…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1653
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652#iss...-341884849 09:54
kalkin- I have created a NativeCall wrapper around the Open-Simplex algorithm. The algo is seeded with an int, and then you call the function noise2(1, 1) and you get a double back. It's a stable aglorithm, this means each time i call nois2 with the same arguments, it will return the same result for the same seed 10:04
This works in my simple C programm
but if I call it from the wrapper the result of noise2 function is always different
There must be something wrong with NativeCall interface, shouldn't it? 10:05
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kalkin- I can't explain this behavior 10:06
geekosaur can't say anything without seeing code. a quick web search got me a C implenentation that expects open_simplex_noise2 to be called with three parameters, not two... 10:19
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kalkin- geekosaur: that's the implementation i use. the first parameter is a struct 10:27
which is a private attribute of my object 10:28
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kalkin- geekosaur: let me clean up code and i will upload it 10:29
It's currently part of a package which I'm not allowed to make available publicly
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kalkin- geekosaur: github.com/kalkin/Algorithm-Open-Simplex 10:54
I added a simple test t/02-simplex.t which reproduces my issue
geekosaur uh 11:01
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geekosaur struct osn_context contains two pointers to int16_t. you are giving it two flat values 11:02
I'm a little surprised it's not coring tbh
kalkin- I thought declaring it is rw would make it pointers? 11:03
geekosaur: also removing = 0 doesn't fix the issue, assigning default value was my attempt of fixing it 11:04
I also first tried to declare the Struct just as a CPointer, without any attributes, but it still has the same issue
ups there is a type in t/02 I just pushed a fix for it 11:05
geekosaur grrr. nativecall docs don;'t mention is rw doing anything 11:06
I would expect for a CStruct repr that is rw would be a no-op; having it magically pointer things inside a struct 'is a bit too magical
as a direct parameter, 'is rw' would necessarily do that 11:07
but here you'd want to apply that to the struct, not the fields therein
(and in any case a struct is already by reference so not sure it'd do anything)
the default value thing... if I am reading right, shouldn't have done anything and possibly should have thrown an error, since there is no Scalar container and therefore you have to bind, not assign 11:11
kalkin- Just noticed I'm using Rakudo 2017.09, may be I should upgrade? 11:12
geekosaur and I'm not sure 'Struct is rw' gives you double indirection, hm 11:13
kalkin- geekosaur: is rw was the issue 11:14
nop
wait
wtf
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kalkin- now the tests pass 11:15
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kalkin- I fixed some build issues, which were only a problem in the repo i just pushed and the test passes 11:15
This is weird
Because in my other code it doesn't 11:16
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kalkin- K, test seems to pass, but if i execute the code via perl6 command line it doesn't 11:17
This is weird 11:19
geekosaur hm. I downloaded your repo and added some debug prints, and it's failing to build complaining about missing LibraryMake. missing dep?
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kalkin- Yes 11:19
geekosaur installing that separately
kalkin- I hope you fetched the latest version. I had to fix some build errors 11:20
geekosaur oh, heh, test will probably fail because of the debug output... 11:21
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geekosaur actually it fails because it's looking for the .so in the wrong directory 11:22
Geth doc: patzim++ created pull request #1654:
Some markup fixes for Language/Modules.
squashable6 🍕 patzim++ opened pull request “Some markup fixes for Language/Modules.”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1654
geekosaur hm, or that is what you fixed; I apparently granbbed just before your last commit 11:23
kalkin- geekosaur: I have fixed it in acf9ac2 commit 11:24
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geekosaur still defaulting one dir too high 11:28
Cannot locate native library '/home/allbery/Downloads/resources/libraries/libopensimplex.so': /home/allbery/Downloads/resources/libraries/libopensimplex.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
might not be something you have control over though, but %*RESOURCES being weird
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kalkin- HEAD definitely build fine here. I also checked the generated Makefile, everything looks like it should be 11:29
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kalkin- weird 11:30
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geekosaur so: 11:37
init: ctxp = 0x681a2b0 (0x4b2ec70)
n2d: ctx = 0x681a2b0
the second line should match the *second* value in the first line
so it's not being passed as pointer-to-pointer 11:38
kalkin- geekosaur: I though because I have a Struct is rw paramter in line 24 it would make it a pointer-to-pointer 11:40
I assume that Stuct class is already a pointer, so adding is rw to the subroutine makes a pointer-to-pointer. if not how would it be done in perl6?
geekosaur [04 11:07:44] <geekosaur> (and in any case a struct is already by reference so not sure it'd do anything) 11:41
kalkin- geekosaur: i thought you meant is rw in line 10
geekosaur also, uh, you didn't want to Struct.new because C is allocating it 11:43
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Update regexes.pod6
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kalkin- It segfaults if I don't assign Struct.new to $!Struct 11:45
geekosaur yes, you're not calling the C part right so you are losing that allocation and then you hide that by using Struct.new 11:46
I showed you the output from C side
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geekosaur basiclaly what you are doing is not going to work because you are trying to simultaneously have perl 6/nativecall and C manage the allocation 11:49
kalkin- geekosaur: yes, but I don't know how to call it right. I'm rereading the NativeCall documentation part on Structs, but I still can't figure it out 11:50
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azawawi hi 11:55
yoleaux 3 Nov 2017 23:23Z <MasterDuke> azawawi: btw, `$packed = (^$size).map({$buffer[$_]})` should be faster than repeatedly .appending
azawawi .tell MasterDuke to my surprise after trying it out, the old non-map solution was a bit faster. 11:56
yoleaux azawawi: I'll pass your message to MasterDuke.
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geekosaur well. I have it passing the right pointers now but I think something else has gone wrong. 11:57
this is complex enough you need more of a nativecall expert. not sure who that'd be though 11:58
maybe nine
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Make the expression clearer and fix link(dirty)

fix #1576		 11:59
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geekosaur oh. forgot to fix the other pointers
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Update regexes.pod6
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geekosaur ok, I have it behaving locally. test still fails because you forgot comparing floating point requires fuzz 12:07
values print out identical but are not == because IEEE floating point
knight__ me, again.. :-) Hello, is there any possibility to do something like this: I have unstable version of Perl6 - last, can I define in source code, that I want use version from 2017.07 -> Because in last version I am getting an error: IO::String is a builtin type, not an external module 12:08
And in version 2017.07, everything works correctly
And, my prof... :-X
?
kalkin- k, but still what is the right way of passing uninitialized structs to a subroutine? :)
geekosaur lpaste.net/2111067440635969536 12:09
because you need that double pointer and allocation in C instead of in Perl 12:10
oh, foo, forgot to remove the dd
possibly extending NativeCall to handle that better is something you could request 12:12
kalkin- geekosaur: ohhh, this makes sense
geekosaur but once you get into stuff like this, it all gets rather hairy and operhaps it's better not to tryto second0guess. especially given that C is actually ambiguous when it comes to pointers
kalkin- I understand your code, but I wouldn't have figured it out to do it like this just by reading the docs 12:13
geekosaur (did you mean a pointer or an array? NativeCall would have to guess which you meant, probably, since the C types are of no help whatsoever)
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geekosaur I cheated and popped the NativeCall source open 12:15
even so, that bind to $!struct is kinda scary --- was not sure it'd retain its repr
but copying is definitely not what I want. then again maybe = ends up being := anyway; docs are ambiguous as to whether that refered to individual fields or the whole CStruct 12:16
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geekosaur I kinda don't like how NativeCall works; it's trying to be too smart but trying to speak to too dumb a language over too dumb an interface (C and its types, that is)
kalkin- geekosaur: thank you for your help and time 12:19
geekosaur but FFI is in general courting core dumps, because C and its types are all you get and C's type system is too dumb to prevent errors
kalkin- btw: would it make sense to add a DESTROY method which calls open_simplex_noise_free? 12:21
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geekosaur I would think so 12:21
kalkin- Does every calss implement Metamodel::Finalization?
geekosaur: great, thanks! 12:22
geekosaur otherwise you're leaking three pointers to memory perl didn't allocate and therefore can't free
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kalkin- geekosaur: yes of course, I just wasn't sure if DESTROY is the right way to do it and if Metamodel::Finalization is part of _every_ object 12:23
geekosaur hahaha 12:24
popped the documentation for it. had to load the svg separately because it's just a fuzzy line
kalkin- geekosaur: lol i though it just some kind of ornament :)
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geekosaur I don't know if repr(CStruct) will have the finalizer stuff 12:27
I would hope it does, because DESTROY is most useful in exactly cases like this
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Render Enums differently in type graphs

This should resolve #72. The ticket says to “render enum types differently from classes”, but does not specify how exactly. This commit makes enums green.
I am sure that there are better (and prettier) ways to do it, but the graph generation code is already unnecessarily convoluted, so perhaps we need a rewrite that will take care of all these tiny issues?		 12:32
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Untoothpick strings
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kalkin- geekosaur: I wanted to add it on on the Algorithm::Open-Simplex class
wander m: say "if else" ~~ / i | if || "if else" / 12:39
camelia ｢if｣
wander m: say "if else" ~~ / i || if | "if else" /
camelia ｢i｣
wander m: say "if else" ~~ / (i || if) | "if else" / 12:40
camelia ｢if else｣
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geekosaur meanwhile I have it working with =~= for the test, but testing fails because 00-meta.t fails 12:44
oh, because Test::Meta is failing # Failed test 'version is present and doesn't have an asterisk' 12:45
good enough I guess
wander m: say "if else" ~~ / if | i || "if else" / 12:46
camelia ｢if｣
wander m: say "if else" ~~ / if || "if else" | if /
camelia ｢if｣
wander m: say "if else" ~~ / if || "if el" | "if else" / 12:47
camelia ｢if｣
wander m: say "if else" ~~ / (if || "if el") | "if else" /
camelia ｢if else｣
MasterDuke .
yoleaux 11:56Z <azawawi> MasterDuke: to my surprise after trying it out, the old non-map solution was a bit faster.
geekosaur hm, maanged to completely forget I was testing if the finalizer was being called 12:48
which it probably wasn't because global destruction needs some option I can't recall or fine
*find
(perl 6 knows OSes free memory automatically, so it doesn't waste time on global destruction for the most part. there's some knob overriding this for use with valgrind) 12:49
MasterDuke .tell azawawi hm, map was a little faster for my made up test case. however, i realized you're really just taking a slice. it doesn't appear to be faster, but `$packed = $buffer[^$size]` is at least simpler
yoleaux MasterDuke: I'll pass your message to azawawi.
MasterDuke geekosaur: --full-cleanup passed to moar, but it doesn't work perfectly 12:50
geekosaur it's too late now, I blew the working area away
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Document using C<|> or C<||> as a trap

  #1141		 12:58
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geekosaur hm, I've thought of a way NC could handle this, and think it works for all cases because it's C side that has to deal with the ugliness 13:01
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geekosaur has Struct $!struct is unmanaged; 13:01
then in the init call, $!struct is rw 13:02
which would tell it to double-indirect in the init call. and ideally warn you to set up a destructor. or would 'will leave' work? 13:05
you'd also hopefully get an error instead of a core dump if you tried to access it before the init call 13:06
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kalkin- geekosaur: here the tests passes with == 13:11
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geekosaur yeh, I was misled by the other test which I thought was separate but is in fact a prerequisite 13:13
so it was 00-meta that was failing for me the whole time
I would still use =~= just because I don't trust floating point to be reliably == 13:14
Geth doc: 9659f324eb | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/5to6-nutshell.pod6
Modify advice of C<|> and C<||>, ronaldxs++

fix #1141
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Thrush I discovered that there's a really nice idiom for checking to see if a numerical list/array is already sorted: [<=] (1,2,2,3,5) 13:33
m: say [<=] (1,2,2,3,5)
camelia True
Thrush m: say [<=] (4,1,2,2,3,5)
camelia False
AlexDaniel Thrush: yes :) 13:34
Thrush: although… there's a little problem with the implementation right now
Thrush And my question is: What if I sorted my array by some other criterion? Like by word-length, like this: my @words = <Happy birthday to you>.sort( *.chars ); How would I check then if @words is sorted by my a certain criterion? 13:35
m: my @words = <Happy birthday to you>.sort( *.chars ); @words.say
camelia [to you Happy birthday]
Thrush AlexDaniel: Oh, what's the problem?
AlexDaniel Thrush: actually, nevermind, I can't reproduce it 13:36
m: my @a = eager 42 xx 80000; say [<=] @a
camelia True
Thrush I suppose I could map() the array, then check. 13:37
m: my @words = <Happy birthday to you>.sort( *.chars ); say [<=] @words.map( *.chars );
camelia True
AlexDaniel yeah
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Thrush This works, but what if my sort wasn't numerical at all? Like, I sorted by the reversed word? Like this: 13:38
m: my @words = <happy birthday to you>.sort( *.flip ); @words.say
camelia [to you birthday happy]
Thrush How would I use [<=] (or something similar) to check sorted order, without re-sorting the array? 13:39
Geth doc: 836213dab0 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Attempt to deconfuse | || trap

I guess a code example should make it more clear.		 13:40
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AlexDaniel Thrush: then you'd use a corresponding operator, in this case &leg 13:41
m: my @words = <happy birthday to you>.sort( *.flip ); say [leg] @words
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot reduce with leg because structural infix operators are diffy and not chaining
at <tmp>:1
------> 3y birthday to you>.sort( *.flip ); say [7⏏5leg] @words
expecting any of:
…
AlexDaniel ah! Well, maybe not
m: my @words = <happy birthday to you>.sort( *.flip ); say [cmp] @words 13:42
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot reduce with cmp because structural infix operators are diffy and not chaining
at <tmp>:1
------> 3y birthday to you>.sort( *.flip ); say [7⏏5cmp] @words
expecting any of:
…
AlexDaniel right, then maybe there's no easy way
not every operator can be chained like ≤
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Thrush I was thinking of a more complicated sort, like first by word-length, but if they are the same, then by alphabetical order. Like this: 13:43
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Update regexes.pod6
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Thrush m: my @words = <to say hi and hello>.sort( { [$_.chars, lc($_)] }; @words.say 13:44
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')' (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sort( { [$_.chars, lc($_)] }; @words.say7⏏5<EOL>
Thrush m: my @words = <to say hi and hello>.sort( { [$_.chars, lc($_)] } ); @words.say
camelia [hi to and say hello]
Thrush If I encapsulated into a function for re-use, could I use it both to sort, and with an operator similar to [<=] (for checking if an array is already sorted) ? 13:45
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Thrush Here's another question: Let's say I have an array with several undefined elements, like this: my @a; @a[0,3] = <a b>;
m: my @a; @a[0,3] = <a b>; @a.say
camelia [a (Any) (Any) b]
Thrush Is there an Array method that will remove undefined elements? Something like this: @a = @a.compress(); 13:48
I guess this works: 13:50
m: my @a; @a[0,3] = <a b>; @a.=grep( *.defined ); @a.say
camelia [a b]
Thrush But is there a more straight-forward way? If there is a function/method for it, I'd like to know about it. 13:51
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Thrush Now that I think about it, why does this work? say [<=] (1, 2, 3, 4, 5); 13:54
Shouldn't (1 <= 2) return True, which then causes (True <= 3) to get compared next?
Geth doc: 799e25c33a | (Patrick Sebastian Zimmermann)++ | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Some markup corrections to Language/Modules.
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doc: d3bc401882 | (Patrick Zimmermann)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Merge pull request #1654 from patzim/master

Some markup fixes for Language/Modules.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/modules
squashable6 🍕 patzim++ merged pull request “Some markup fixes for Language/Modules.”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1654
AlexDaniel Thrush: no, because you can actually write 1 <= 2 <= 3 <= 4 <= 5 14:03
ah
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AlexDaniel m: my @words = <happy birthday to you>.sort( *.flip ); say [le] @words
camelia False
AlexDaniel m: my @words = <happy birthday to you>.sort( *.flip ); say [le] @words.sort
camelia True
AlexDaniel Thrush: here's a relevant list: docs.perl6.org/language/operators#...Precedence 14:04
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Avoid auto-generate '/type/*'

  #1649		 14:10
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Thrush Thanks for that link, AlexDaniel. I never knew that "min" and "max" could be used as infix operators. 14:12
Geth doc: cee601a1f4 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/objects.pod6
Fix False-positives on “Perl 6 Types” page(dirty)
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wander AlexDaniel: issue #1623 14:17
AlexDaniel wander: hmm 14:18
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AlexDaniel wander: ok 14:18
I'm fine with that :)
wander :) 14:19
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wander docs.perl6.org/routine-method.html 14:21
what a mess
When does it start? I don't think my last commit causes it 14:23
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TomLeg Are there tutorials on how to contribute, as promised in the poster? 14:32
Thrush sub infix:<.oO>($name, $thought) { say "$name thinks $thought" }; 'Foo' .oO 'awesome' 14:35
m: sub infix:<.oO>($name, $thought) { say "$name thinks $thought" }; 'Foo' .oO 'awesome'
camelia Foo thinks awesome
Thrush That's strange... on my own perl6 REPL, when I type that line, I get exactly that output. But then when I type "'Foo' .oO 'awesome'" by itself, I get a compiler error. 14:36
Why is that?
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geekosaur because the repl is a bit buggy 14:41
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geekosaur rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=131530 rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=131900 14:46
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Thrush Thanks for letting me know about the buggyness of the REPL, geekosaur. 14:48
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Geth doc/doc-regex-interpolation: 69cdc07531 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Add type constrains to speed up examples

MasterDuke17++
It should be nice if keep using effective code in examples.		 14:50
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AlexDaniel TomLeg: hello :) 14:51
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ edited issue “False-positives on “Perl 6 Types” page”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1649
AlexDaniel TomLeg: not sure if we have something specifically for the squashathon this time (there was a rakudo squashathon guide previous month). Maybe take a look at github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/C...IBUTING.md ? 14:52
TomLeg hiya AlexDaniel
thanks
AlexDaniel TomLeg: but basically you can just choose any issue you like and work on it: github.com/perl6/doc/issues
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AlexDaniel TomLeg: do you have a commit bit? 14:53
TomLeg no
AlexDaniel TomLeg: what's your github account?
TomLeg legrady
AlexDaniel TomLeg: github.com/perl6/doc/invitations 14:54
TomLeg thanks got it 14:55
AlexDaniel TomLeg: this way you should be able to change things and close issues :)
TomLeg And off to work .... 14:56
AlexDaniel wander: mess? You mean the fact that it says method method method method method? :)
wander yes, is it normal?
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🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “Useless "Documentation for " in some page titles.”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1623
AlexDaniel wander: well, “normal”, I'm pretty sure there was an issue for it
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Try to fix #1649

not sure if this cause the issue, but I think it is.		 15:01
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ closed issue “False-positives on “Perl 6 Types” page”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1649
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AlexDaniel wander: can't find the ticket for method, method, method, method problem 15:08
wander: oh, it feels like it was parti 15:10
partially fixed
wander :o 15:13
geekosaur so it's only 3 of them now? >.> 15:14
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AlexDaniel 3? :) 15:15
ACCEPTS lists 20 :) 15:16
wander How to trigger `Debug { note colored("Para node2html called for ", "bold") ~ $node.gist };`
something like --DDebug 15:17
?
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AlexDaniel wander: sorry, where's that? 15:18
ZzZombo is there a way to make a positional argument of a sub to be an alias to a named one? Like `$a` is the same as `:$param`. 15:20
wander I've found some code written as above, seems `Debug` is a Phasers, but I don't know how to trigger it
geekosaur not so far as I know. but a sub taking a block/closure (which is what that looks like) would be possible, and how you trigger it would be up to the sub 15:21
phasers are all-uppercase
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geekosaur m: my $*Debug = True; sub Debug(Block $b) { if $*Debug { $b(); } }; Debug { note 'hi' } 15:31
camelia hi
wander yes, I see `sub Debug(Callable $) { }` 15:37
XD
geekosaur looks like they disabled it then
wander yes, below it there is an enable version 15:39
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squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “`eof` doc; reword to avo…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650#i...-341907077 15:46
🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “`eof` doc; reword to avo…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650
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Geth Pod-To-HTML/W4anD0eR96-patch-1: 8757bec166 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
make `=begin Html` emit raw HTML

Fix #23
  @coke		 16:00
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make `=begin Html` emit raw HTML		 16:01
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Update HTML.pm
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doc/master: 8 commits pushed by (Alex Chen)++ 16:14
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ merged pull request “Document Regex Interpolation, jnthn++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1652
AlexDaniel wander++ :) 16:15
great work
wander \o
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SmokeMachine is there a way to cancel a Promise.start ? 16:24
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lizmat SmokeMachine: no 16:27
SmokeMachine lizmat: shouldn't? 16:28
lizmat well, personally I think we should have a way
but at the moment, there isn't such a way just yet
your only option is to check some variable regularly inside the started code, and die if that changes to a state that indicates you want it stopped 16:29
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SmokeMachine lizmat: I was thinking... the way that is sad to make a timeout, is to use Promise.anyof($promise-that-should-timeout, Promise.in($timeout))... but it doesn't really times out... the promise continue running... 16:30
AlexDaniel right 16:31
SmokeMachine kotlin's coroutines have a isActive function to do that... (check some variable regularly)
AlexDaniel m: react { whenever Promise.in(3) { say ‘hello’ }; whenever Promise.in(1) { say ‘timeout’; done } } 16:32
camelia timeout
AlexDaniel I don't know if it keeps running in this case
lizmat m: react { whenever Promise.in(3) { say ‘hello’ }; whenever Promise.in(1) { say ‘timeout’; done } }; sleep 3 16:33
SmokeMachine m: react { whenever Promise.in(3) { say ‘hello’ }; whenever Promise.in(1) { say ‘timeout’; done } }; sleep 3
camelia timeout
lizmat that I didn't expect
SmokeMachine me neither...
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “`eof` doc; reword to avo…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650#i...-341910939 16:38
🍕 zoffixznet++ reopened issue “`eof` doc; reword to avo…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650
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lizmat m: react { whenever Promise.in(3) { say ‘hello’ }; whenever Promise.in(1) { say ‘timeout’ } } # without the "done", they do show up both 16:41
camelia timeout
hello
lizmat weird
AlexDaniel that's exactly how react block works 16:44
lizmat well, I meant: weird that the in(3) doesn't fire anyways 16:46
or not ?
Geth doc: c3a93a55df | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | htmlify.p6
method, method, method, method, method

This commit resolves the problem when “method” is repeated 20 times needlessly. It was assumed that .unique is going to do the trick, but in reality it's an array of 1-element arrays, so we have to slip it.
There was a ticket for that issue but I can't find it.		 16:51
AlexDaniel wander: there ↑
lizmat: ｢done｣ is like ｢last｣ but for react blocks :)
lizmat but then why isn't the code following the react executed ? 16:52
AlexDaniel m: react { whenever Promise.in(3) { say ‘hello’ }; whenever Promise.in(1) { say ‘timeout’; done } }; say ‘you sure?’
camelia timeout
you sure?
lizmat scuse me, sorry
it is
ok, I see where my misconception is now 16:54
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lizmat the Promise.in(3) internally most likely *does* fire, but the code block is not executed because it's no longer inside the react block 16:54
somehow I read the block as being part of the Promise, but it isn't 16:55
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comborico1611 What is the special variable $x called? 17:00
moritz comborico1611: $x isn't a special variable
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ edited issue “`eof` docs need to expla…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650
Geth doc: be80f8d80a | MasterDuke17++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Note performance benefit of using a statically...

typed Str|str for regex literal interpolation.		 17:01
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/regexes
Geth Pod-To-HTML: 8757bec166 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
make `=begin Html` emit raw HTML

Fix #23
  @coke
Pod-To-HTML: 4347092242 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
Update HTML.pm
Pod-To-HTML: b15389b3a9 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
Merge pull request #26 from perl6/W4anD0eR96-patch-1

make `=begin Html` emit raw HTML
Pod-To-HTML: db0b4144ed | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META6.json
Bump version
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comborico1611 Hey. Alright then. Thank you!
wander AlexDaniel: got it
comborico1611 Heh* 17:03
MasterDuke wander: i wasn't very clear in my comments. i didn't really care about performance of the example, but that there was some explanation that using typed variables was faster
hobbs comborico1611: you can call it Betty, and it will call you Al.
comborico1611 I always liked that song. 17:05
hobbs and you can call it special if you want :)
moritz it's special to you if you care about it a lot :-) 17:06
comborico1611 I remember talking on here about $0 (captured variable shorthands), and someone said that $x was special or something. 17:07
Ja.
wander MasterDuke: my opinion is, if we use effective examples, then user will feel Perl 6 effective. and yes, using typed variables was faster, but it's a wide topic
geekosaur at one point I think I said something about $N while indicating thwt N is a number 17:08
$0, $1, $2, ...
wander maybe we can mention it at this section, but for details, efficiency should be a separated section 17:09
comborico1611 Anyways, never mind. Now back to the book -- passed the halfway mark!
timotimo lizmat, AlexDaniel, there is a concept of "cancellation" for async work that we know how to terminate, waiting for a timer to fire is one, a server socket listening for incoming connections is another. react blocks handle cancellation for you
comborico1611 Is $n special?! 17:10
AlexDaniel SmokeMachine: ↑
comborico1611: there are no special variables that I know of
maybe except $_
or even @_ maybe
comborico1611 $/ 17:11
timotimo and $! is also special
lizmat timotimo: but we can't "cancel" a thread in general, can we ?
hobbs $^things are pretty special
timotimo we cannot, no
comborico1611 Is there a list of special variables in the docs?
timotimo in the future there can be a mechanism that threads will regularly check if they are supposed to explode via an exception another thread sent it, but that's to be designed and implemented
BBL
geekosaur sigh 17:12
ok, never ever use a schematic around you
$0, $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, how many more do I count out?
ugexe docs.perl6.org/language/variables
AlexDaniel docs.perl6.org/language/variables#..._Variables
:)
comborico1611 Yep, just found it. It doesn't look to be very organized. I don't know. 17:13
I see why. it is titled Pearl 5 to Pearl 6 variables. 17:14
lizmat docs.perl6.org/language/variables#...Attributes # more specifically, geekosaur
AlexDaniel timotimo: well, $_ you can declare yourself, everything else you kinda can't
timotimo you can't declare $/ or $! ? 17:16
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lizmat m: my $/ = 42; say $/ 17:18
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol '$/'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $/7⏏5 = 42; say $/
42
lizmat m: { my $/ = 42; say $/ }
camelia 42
lizmat if it's in a scope, it should be warningless
Geth doc: 9f8aa4e1b0 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Improve .eof docs for non-seekable handles

Resolves #1650		 17:21
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “`eof` docs need to expla…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1650
SmokeMachine great! 17:22
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comborico1611 m: sub factorial (Int $num) { my $product = 1; for 1..$num -> $x { $product *= $x } return $product } say factorial 5; 17:25
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 1; for 1..$num -> $x { $product *= $x }7⏏5 return $product } say factorial 5;
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AlexDaniel m: sub factorial (Int $num) { my $product = 1; for 1..$num -> $x { $product *= $x }; return $product }; say factorial 5; 17:26
camelia 120
comborico1611 m: sub factorial (Int $num) { my $product = 1; for 1..$num -> $x { $product *= $x; } return $product; } say factorial 5; 17:27
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 031; for 1..$num -> $x { $product *= $x; }7⏏5 return $product; } say factorial 5;
comborico1611 Thanks!
I was confused because of the following rule: when a statement is the last code line of a block immediately before the curly brace the final semicolon is optional. 17:30
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geekosaur wrong rule in this case :) 17:30
comborico1611 In addition to putting the semicolon in the wrong spot. Haha.
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comborico1611 It's just a C plus plus difference. 17:31
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on “docs.perl6.org design”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1090#i...-341915177
comborico1611 In C plus plus, I think the only time you add a semicolon at the end of a brace is for classes.
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “docs.perl6.org design”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1090#i...-341915302 17:33
AlexDaniel comborico1611: I think it's discussed in more detail on this page: docs.perl6.org/language/syntax#Sep...Semicolons
comborico1611 m: sub factorial (Int $num) { my $product = 1; for 1..$num -> $y { $product *= $y }; return $product } say factorial 5;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3$y { $product *= $y }; return $product }7⏏5 say factorial 5;
expecting any of:
infix
infix …
comborico1611 Thanks! 17:34
AlexDaniel wander: that looks a bit better I guess? docs.perl6.org/routine-method.html
wander yes, i saw it
nice work \o 17:35
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ edited issue “False-positives on “Perl 6 Types” page”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1649 17:36
wander BTW, ^^ is caused because how we generate '/type/*'
comborico1611 m: sub factorial (Int $num) { my $product = 1; for 1..$num -> $y { $product *= $y }; return $product }; say factorial 5; 17:37
camelia 120
wander it's should be documented that =head ... start with 'Role' or 'enum' is special
s/documented/mentioned in CONTRIBUTING.md or so/
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 17:38
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈18 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/767f1e81a1b180d42f...445f4f0620
comborico1611 So pointy block eliminates need to declare a variable?
AlexDaniel comborico1611: you mean like in -> $y { } ? Well, it's not exactly a variable, but a parameter of the pointy block 17:40
just like in sub foo($y) { }
comborico1611 Ahh, i see. Thank you. Still trying to wrap my head around what pointy block is. 17:42
It's a function, not an operator.
AlexDaniel you can also write “sub ($y) {}” and it is quite similar 17:43
comborico1611 Yes, I'm just going through the example in the book. 17:45
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comborico1611 Does the pointy block have any other parameters in my example? 17:46
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “｢anon｣ is only documente…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1655 17:47
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “｢anon｣ is only documente…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1655
AlexDaniel comborico1611: no? 17:48
comborico1611 Heh. 17:49
Thanks.
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squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ opened issue “Accidentally generate '/type/*'”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1656 17:53
🍕 W4anD0eR96++ edited issue “Accidentally generate '/type/*'”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1656 17:54
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wander m: say anon class foo {} 18:03
camelia (foo)
wander say anon role foo {} 18:04
evalable6 (foo)
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ wrote a comment on “｢anon｣ is only documente…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1655#i...-341917772 18:06
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chakli hey is this the right behavior of m:g ?? 18:17
m: "720\n500\n740\n200\n730\n"~~m:g/(7.0)/; say $0
camelia ｢720｣
0 => ｢720｣
chakli m: "720\n500\n720\n200\n720\n"~~m:g/(720)/; say $0 18:18
camelia ｢720｣
0 => ｢720｣
wander m: say "720\n500\n740\n200\n730\n"~~m:g/(7.0)/; 18:25
camelia (｢720｣
0 => ｢720｣ ｢740｣
0 => ｢740｣ ｢730｣
0 => ｢730｣)
wander be aware of what $/ exactlly be
m: .say for "720\n500\n740\n200\n730\n"~~m:g/(7.0)/ 18:28
camelia ｢720｣
0 => ｢720｣
｢740｣
0 => ｢740｣
｢730｣
0 => ｢730｣
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chakli how do i remove the ｢ wen printing? 18:34
gfldex m: .put for "720\n500\n740\n200\n730\n"~~m:g/(7.0)/ 18:35
camelia 720
740
730
geekosaur use something other than .say/.gist
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wander .Str.say for "720\n500\n740\n200\n730\n"~~m:g/(7.0)/ 18:36
m: .Str.say for "720\n500\n740\n200\n730\n"~~m:g/(7.0)/
camelia 720
740
730		 18:37
chakli thanks :)
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Geth doc: gfldex++ created pull request #1657:
link to /routine/gist		 18:39
squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ opened pull request “link to /routine/gist”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1657 18:40
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by gfldex++! ♥
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comborico1611 Maybe I'm a complete newb here, but I think calling the pointy block operator/function thing instead, the dynamic assignment operator is better. 18:46
moritz it's binding, not assignment 18:47
comborico1611 What is the difference? 18:48
kalkin- If i have some C function i.e: foo(int width, int height, double array[width][height]), I assume a wrapper in perl6 for that would be „ sub foo(int32, int32, CArray[CArray[double]])”, right? But how do i a CArray[CArray[double]] in perl6 before passing it to the wrapper function?
From the documentation I see that just an array can be allocated with CArray[double].new, but how to do it for a 2D array? 18:49
moritz comborico1611: see docs.perl6.org/language/containers
comborico1611 Thank you.
Geth doc: 67ea14b849 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Mu.pod6
Update Mu.pod6

  link to /routine/gist		 18:50
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Mu
Geth doc: cb967cf412 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Mu.pod6
Merge pull request #1657 from gfldex/patch-2

  link to /routine/gist
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ merged pull request “link to /routine/gist”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1657
moritz kalkin-: if nobody has a better idea, create a CArray, and then have a loop where you allocate the inner arrays and assign them to elements of the outer
kalkin- moritz: thanks that was my backup plan which I'm trying to implement currently
comborico1611 According to the index of my book, binding and lexpad are not covered in this book. Are these advanced topics? 18:55
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comborico1611 Rather than saying Advanced topics, I should say are these non beginner topics? 18:56
azawawi .
yoleaux 12:49Z <MasterDuke> azawawi: hm, map was a little faster for my made up test case. however, i realized you're really just taking a slice. it doesn't appear to be faster, but `$packed = $buffer[^$size]` is at least simpler
azawawi MasterDuke: ping
MasterDuke: it is simpler and way faster gist.github.com/azawawi/51780f76b8...585fd17c35 MasterDuke++ 18:57
comborico1611 (Testing to see if irc supports smileys) 😁 19:02
MasterDuke oh, nice 19:03
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knight__ Hello, can I do something like this if perl6_ver == 2017.10 { use IO::String } ? 19:04
azawawi MasterDuke: i forgot about slices btw... must be the C / NativeCall stuff :) 19:05
MasterDuke heh, took me a while to think of them too 19:07
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comborico1611 (testing for error message) 19:09
for <red orange yellow> <-> $color {$color = tc}; 19:10
AlexDaniel did you forget m: ? :) 19:11
geekosaur knight__, "use" is lexically scoped so no, that won't work as such.
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comborico1611 m: for <red orange yellow> <-> $color { $color = tc $color }; 19:11
camelia Parameter '$color' expected a writable container, but got Str value
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
comborico1611 Heh, yeah. 19:12
AlexDaniel m: for <red orange yellow>.Array <-> $color { $color = tc $color };
camelia ( no output )
geekosaur and I think you wanted $color .= tc ? (first version)
comborico1611 Yeah. That is a tricky for message: "got a Str value". 19:13
I'm unfamiliar with .=
I was just seeing if the error message was the same in the book. 19:14
geekosaur just as $a += b is $a = $a + $b, $a .= foo is $a = $a.foo
lizmat m: my $a = "foo"; $a .= tc; say $a
camelia Foo
geekosaur but you wrote '$color = tc' the first time around (when you forgot the m:) 19:15
comborico1611 Interesting. ( .=) 19:17
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comborico1611 (I'm trying to read this in English: for @colors <-> $color { }; ) "for every element in the array colors, for each traversal, dynamically bind each element to the variable $color, and perform the action in the brace." Is this correct? 19:24
Correction: and perform the action in the brace to said variable per traversal 19:26
kalkin- k, I couldn't figure out how to create a CArray[CArray[num64]], but I remembered that in c an array[width][height] is the same as array[width×height], so I just created a CArray[num64] with the length width×height and passed it to the function 19:30
it seems to work
geekosaur yes, actually, thats's a good point, the other would be double *array[width] and then malloc each element, much like you would have been doing in perl 6 19:33
knight__ geekosaur: Thank you. 19:36
geekosaur I was trying to remember how you hack around that but I am short on sleep due to coughing fits again so someone else is going to have to do the thinking :/
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azawawi :)
Geth doc: be13fe0cfd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | 3 files
Preliminary pod on Telemetry/Telemetry::Period and snapper

It's been a while since I wrote pod, and I'm pretty sure I got the L<> and C<>'s mixed up, as well as forgetting a lot of stuff. Pull requests welcome! Also when my ramblings have been unclear!
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by lizmat++! ♥
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azawawi lizmat: does this mean tickets like github.com/perlpilot/benchmark/issues/6 could be fixed? :) 19:48
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lizmat m: use Telemetry :COLUMNS; say "used {cpu} microseconds CPU so far" 19:50
camelia used 317774 microseconds CPU so far
lizmat m: use Telemetry; snap; Nil for ^1000
camelia Telemetry Report of Process #14627 (2017-11-04T19:50:48Z)
No supervisor thread has been running
Number of Snapshots: 2
Initial Size: 87264 Kbytes
Total Time: 0.00 seconds
Total CPU Usage: 0.00 seconds

wallclock ut…
lizmat m: use Telemetry; snap; Nil for ^1000000 19:51
camelia Telemetry Report of Process #14745 (2017-11-04T19:51:24Z)
No supervisor thread has been running
Number of Snapshots: 2
Initial Size: 92240 Kbytes
Total Time: 0.06 seconds
Total CPU Usage: 0.06 seconds

wallclock ut…
azawawi lizmat++ 19:52
El_Che lizmat: telemetry? You finally moved to windows 10?
lizmat I was more going for the dictionary definition: "the process of recording and transmitting the readings of an instrument" 19:53
El_Che :)
Geth doc: ac9f27c9ff | (Steve Mynott)++ | doc/Type/Telemetry.pod6
minor typo fix
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Telemetry
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by stmuk++! ♥
comborico1611 Are for " @array " and " for 0..@array.end " equivalent under-the-hood? 19:55
Sorry " for @array "
lizmat comborico1611: no, because @array gives you the elements 19:56
geekosaur one is the actual elements, the other is the indices
lizmat and 0..@array.end gives you the indiexes
comborico1611 Thank you. Is"end" short for something else?
lizmat m: my @a = <a b c>; for @a.kv -> $index, $string { say "$index: $string" } # you can also have both 19:57
camelia 0: a
1: b
2: c
lizmat steps away from the keyboard for a bit
Geth doc: d733b1e40e | (Steve Mynott)++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
minor typo fix
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/regexes
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moritz comborico1611: .end is just the index of the last element 20:01
geekosaur docs.perl6.org/type/Array#(List)_routine_end 20:02
comborico1611 Roger that.
Is there a programming language that is more operator rich and Perl 6? 20:03
THAN Perl6
moritz APL 20:04
geekosaur considered responding "APL/J/K", but does that actually mean operators or methods? 20:06
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moritz well, I'm sure the Java standard library has more methods than Perl 6 :-) 20:08
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comborico1611 m: my @colors = <red orange yellow green blue indigo violet>; for @colors.kv -> $index, $color { say "$index $colors; }; 20:23
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Variable '$colors' is not declared. Did you mean any of these?
@colors
$color

at <tmp>:1
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camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in double quotes; couldn't find final '"' (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 $index, $color { say "$index $colors };7⏏5<EOL>
expecting …
comborico1611 m: my $colors; my @colors = <red orange yellow green blue indigo violet>; for @colors.kv -> $index, $color { say "$index $colors" }; 20:25
camelia Use of uninitialized value $colors of type Any in string context.
Methods .^name, .perl, .gist, or .say can be used to stringify it to something meaningful.
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geekosaur you have a typo 20:26
you wanted $color instead of $colors in the say
which is what the error was telling you
comborico1611 Thanks
lol
Why are people doing lol with slashes now? 20:27
m: my $colors; my @colors = <red orange yellow green blue indigo violet>; for @colors.kv -> $index, $colors { say "$index $colors" };
camelia 0 red
1 orange
2 yellow
3 green
4 blue
5 indigo
6 violet
comborico1611 m: my $colors; my @colors = <red orange yellow green blue indigo violet>; for @colors.kv -> $0, $color { say "$index $colors" };
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot declare a numeric parameter
at <tmp>:1
------> 3lue indigo violet>; for @colors.kv -> $07⏏5, $color { say "$index $colors" };
comborico1611 m: my $colors; my @colors = <red orange yellow green blue indigo violet>; for @colors.kv -> 0, $color { say "$index $colors" }; 20:28
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$index' is not declared. Did you mean any of these?
&index
&rindex

at <tmp>:1
------> 3et>; for @colors.kv -> 0, $color { say "7⏏5$index $colors" };
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azawawi how does one fix the issue of forward struct declarations in Perl 6... for example the following 20:32
m: use NativeCall; class Bees is repr('CStruct') { has CArray[Bee] $.ptr; } class Bee is repr('CStruct') { has Bees $.obj; }
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared name:
Bee used at line 1
azawawi m: use NativeCall; class Bees is repr('CStruct') { has CArray $.ptr; } class Bee is repr('CStruct') { has Bees $.obj; } 20:33
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3is repr('CStruct') { has CArray $.ptr; }7⏏5 class Bee is repr('CStruct') { has Bee
expecting any of:
…
azawawi m: use NativeCall; class Bees is repr('CStruct') { has CArray $.ptr; }; class Bee is repr('CStruct') { has Bees $.obj; }
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azawawi m: use NativeCall; class Bees is repr('CStruct') { has CArray[Bee] $.ptr; }; class Bee is repr('CStruct') { has Bees $.obj; } 20:34
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared name:
Bee used at line 1
azawawi any forward declarations for classes in Perl 6? 20:38
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geekosaur class Bee {...}; 20:40
the ... is literal
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geekosaur docs.perl6.org/language/typesystem...clarations 20:41
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azawawi m: use v6; use NativeCall; class Bee { ... }; class Bees is repr('CStruct') { has CArray[Bee] $.ptr; }; class Bee is repr('CStruct') { has Bees $.obj; } 20:44
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
An exception occurred while parameterizing CArray
at <tmp>:1
Exception details:
Cannot resolve caller infix:<===>(Bee, Str); none of these signatures match:
($?)
(\a, \b)
…
geekosaur hm. I wonder if the forward decl needs a repr for that to work. or if that's even legal 20:47
legal but doesn't help. hm
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azawawi geekosaur: going to use a fake object (same size) for now :) 20:53
azawawi is working on MsgPack::unpack(Blob) -> Perl 6 code 20:54
geekosaur yeh, I think that's what you'll need to do, looking at the --ll-exception 20:55
lizmat hmmm... looks like class Kernel is still without *any* documentation ?
geekosaur CArray needs to know too much about the type
AlexDaniel lizmat: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1569 and github.com/perl6/doc/issues/503 20:58
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And how to import them selectively.		 21:33
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HelpWithPerl Hey guys 22:03
How do I check if a variable is within an array? 22:04
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comborico1611 Newb here also.
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Zoffix HelpWithPerl: that's a bit of a vague question. Do you mean a value is present in an array? 22:06
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geekosaur you could be looking just for presence, for its index, or to search by a pattern or other criterion 22:07
lizmat or you could be using set operators:
m: my @a = ^10; say 42 (elem) @a
camelia False
Zoffix m: say 'foo' ∈ <foo bar ber>; # that's what I usually use 'cause it's pretty, but that cares about allomorphs
camelia True
lizmat m: my @a = ^10; say 7 (elem) @a
camelia True
Zoffix So 42 ∈ <42 100 50> won't work
geekosaur that was what I meant by presence
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Zoffix m: say so <foo bar ber>.grep: 'foo'; # you could .grep for it, but that doesn't stop after it was found 22:08
camelia True
geekosaur m: <foo bar baz quux>.grep(/z/, :k).say # report position(s)
camelia (2)
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Zoffix m: say Nil === <foo bar ber>.first: 'foo'; # you could .first it, but that won't work if your value and array contents could be Nils (rarelly would matter) 22:09
camelia False
comborico1611 What about regex? [ $variable-name ~~ / $variable-name /
Sorry for bracket. 22:10
Zoffix Actually
geekosaur just drop the
er
m: <foo bar baz quux>.grep(/z/).say
camelia (baz)
Zoffix m: say Nil === <foo bar ber>.first: 'foo', :k; # this is probably the bestest way
camelia False
comborico1611 (i feel like the little child that wants to help.)
Zoffix m: say Nil === (Nil,).first: Nil, :k; # this is probably the bestest way
camelia False
Zoffix m: say Nil === (42,).first: Nil, :k; # this is probably the bestest way 22:11
camelia True
Zoffix \o/
comborico1611 Interesting.
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Zoffix fels like a spammer :D 22:11
\o
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geekosaur only until sigyn notices, then you really are >.> 22:11
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geekosaur although it looks like the spambot's not in here any more 22:12
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comborico1611 Is moritz's Fundamental book the next logical book to purchase after the beginner book? 22:13
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comborico1611 I don't have the hacker drive/talent to learn by experimentation. I learn best with a book. 22:14
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lizmat ?? no squashable feedback anymore ? :-( 22:21
squashable6 🍕 lizmat++ wrote a comment on “doc /type/Kernel”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1569#i...-341933977
lizmat ah, only the first commit I guess :-) 22:22
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camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my @numbers = 17⏏5 2 3;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
statement mod…
azawawi CStruct (HAS CUnion) + CArray inside the CUnion = recipe for various rakudo segfaults...
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = [1 2 3];
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my @numbers = [17⏏5 2 3];
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifier
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geekosaur comborico1611, plain or in brackets you need commas 22:28
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = {1 2 3};
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my @numbers = {17⏏5 2 3};
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifier
…
geekosaur <> you don't, but you get allomorphs
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HelpWithPerl Okay guys
azawawi at some point, i just want to write it in C instead of Perl 6 :)
comborico1611 Thanks
Just what i was wondering.
geekosaur m: my @a = <1 2 3>; dd @a[0]
camelia IntStr @a = IntStr.new(1, "1")
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comborico1611 m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; 22:29
camelia ( no output )
geekosaur that's an allomorph; it's not sure whether it's an Int or a Str :)
comborico1611 You talking to me?
geekosaur about the IntStr thing I made the bot do, yes 22:30
which is what you get from the <1 2 3> for
m
whereas if you do
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = 1, 2, 3;
camelia ( no output )
geekosaur m: my @a = 1, 2, 3; dd @a[0]
camelia Int @a = 1
geekosaur it's just an Int
comborico1611 What is dd?
geekosaur 'debug dumper' 22:31
it's a way to see exactly what something is, instead of various prettified (or uglified) views of it
HelpWithPerl What would I need to add to say (@tableau).grep: Int; for it to check integers that are multiples of 3 and 5? 22:32
comborico1611 I don't understand. But it's okay. I need to enter some code. The semicolon look to be in the wrong spot
I see.
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geekosaur m: my @n = 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 15; say @n.grep: {$^a % 3 == 0 && $^a % 5 == 0}
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geekosaur if you also need to check the Int part, 22:34
m: my @n = 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 15; say @n.grep: {$^a ~~ Int && $^a % 3 == 0 && $^a % 5 == 0}
camelia (15)
HelpWithPerl Thanks :D
geekosaur or you can be more explicit instead of using a placeholder:
ilmari m: say (^30).grep: { $_ %% 3 && $_ %% 5 }
camelia (0 15)
ilmari m: say (^35).grep: { $_ %% 3 && $_ %% 5 }
camelia (0 15 30)
geekosaur m: my @n = 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 15; say @n.grep: -> $n {$n % 3 == 0 && $n % 5 == 0}
camelia (15)
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ilmari %% is "is divisble by" 22:35
geekosaur hm, probably shouldn't have used n for both
ah, right
kalkin- Hmm NativeCall is SLOW! I have a c function which takes <1 second to run and populates an array with 10⁸ elements, takes wrapped ≥34 seconds!
geekosaur m: my @n = 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 15; say @n.grep: -> $v {$v %% 3 && $v %% 5}
camelia (15)
geekosaur kalkin-, yes, it's got to remap all of those elements into something Perlish 22:36
kalkin- There is no way to optimize that, isn't there?
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my total = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x; } return $total; }
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed my (did you mean to declare a sigilless \total or $total?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my total7⏏5 = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x;
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my $total = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x; } return $total; } 22:37
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x; }7⏏5 return $total; }
geekosaur repr('CStruct'), CArray, etc. don;t mean it's literally using C values, it just provides a way for NativeCall to request packing and unpacking between C form and Perl form
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my total = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x; }; return $total; } 22:38
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed my (did you mean to declare a sigilless \total or $total?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my total7⏏5 = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x;
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my $total = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x; }; return $total; }
camelia ( no output )
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comborico1611 I believe this author did not understand where to put ; outside of brace. 22:39
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geekosaur or just being pedantic 22:39
comborico1611 I think I'll take a break.
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comborico1611 I don't think so. 22:40
kalkin- It's a pity, but I can't use Perl 6 for my current project. I love the expressiveness of Perl 6, but it just doesn't scale for my purposes
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lizmat good night, good Squashathon folks! 23:04
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HelpWithPerl Is there anything wrong with this line of code? $total + @somme[$i]; 23:08
Juerd No, but realise it doesn't really do anything by itself. 23:09
HelpWithPerl Oh, yeah, but after some testing I think that the issue is inside of that line :P
Do you mind have a quick look? I could add the code into a pastebin 23:10
raiph m: my $total = 42; my @somme = [1,2,3]; my $i = 1; say $total + @somme[$i]; $total + @somme[$i];
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
44
Useless use of "+" in expression "$total + @somme[$i]" in sink context (line 1)
Juerd HelpWithPerl: What's the issue? 23:11
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HelpWithPerl I'm tring to solve the 1st Project Euler problem, but the numbers aren't adding :P 23:12
Juerd That's a bit too high level :)
raiph HelpWithPerl: a pastebin would be fine 23:13
HelpWithPerl lol
geekosaur were you tryuing to return that, or actually add the value to $total? 23:14
HelpWithPerl pastebin.com/ak5Xftqm 23:15
geekosaur you wanted +=
Juerd HelpWithPerl: Normally, you would do something with the result of the addition
geekosaur + will add them but discard the result because it's in sink context
Juerd HelpWithPerl: 1 + 1 returns 2, but if you just have 1 + 1, the numbers are added, and the resulting 2 is thrown away.
geekosaur hm, actually it's not sink context
loops are weird :(
HelpWithPerl Oh, okay 23:16
geekosaur so the loop returns a list, which gets silently sunk ignoring the contents
Juerd HelpWithPerl: To assign the result to the same variable, use $somme = $somme + @total[$i]; or the shorthand form $somme += @total[$i];
HelpWithPerl I've just tried that, but it just gives the most recent number in the array 23:17
Juerd What does "give" mean? :) 23:18
HelpWithPerl Well, returns :P 23:19
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HelpWithPerl Yes! I realised what the problem was! 23:25
!!!1!
I had the total declaration inside the loop, so every time it ran the loop it would get reset to 0 23:26
Thanks for the help guys :D
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