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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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SmokeMachine Why .list isn’t a .Positional? Is it because it’s a role and not a class? 00:16
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Geth ecosystem: 4e00ad22d6 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Implementation of alerts.perl6.org API

  github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-WWW-P6lert
  (N.B.: alerts.perl6.org is not up yet; just entering the module so it
percolates through things in time for announce blog post)		 01:00
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AlexDaniel and perl 6 wins again! code-golf.io/ 01:52
π and τ are still not there though
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Geth ecosystem: f1eaca293f | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Add p6lert to eco

  "Command line utility to fetch alerts.perl6.org alerts"
  github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-p6lert		 02:39
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Zoffix moritz: you around? I went to setup apache for alerts.perl6.org and copied the *-mojo* file for mp6.org and I see a comment in it: "this file comes from github.com/moritz/p6c-ansible [...] Please don't modifiy it on". Did you want to set All The Things with that Ansible thing or just the mp6.o? 02:49
moritz: like, should I go and do my thing with alerts.perl6.org or are we doing these differently.
moritz: FWIW, I was planning to run the cro server on hack and reverse-proxy from www.p6c to there 02:50
SmokeMachine: I guess... But .list is also a lot easier to type 02:54
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Zoffix :| fresh rakudo build on hack and zef install dies with "Failed to find dependencies: "; no mention of any missing ones :/ 02:59
That's with zef --depsonly --serial --debug install . in github.com/perl6/alerts checkout 03:04
timotimo c: releases say 0xabcdefabcdef12 «+>« (8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48, 56) 03:06
committable6 timotimo, ¦releases (26 commits): «(188900977659375 737894443981 2882400171 11259375 43981 171 0)␤» 03:07
Zoffix If relevant: (from changelog): + Added big int support for `+<` and `+>` ops [6409ee58][ef29bb9f][66e8e72c] 03:09
In 2017.05
And there was some breakage IIRC, but it was fixed before release
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Zoffix Worked fine after installing IRC::Client and Cro separately. Perhaps there's a clash when you got too many deps that it doesn't resolve some of them properly :/. 03:19
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Zoffix Anyone got commands I could copy-paste to make alerts severt and bot start as a service? I don't know systemd 03:41
.... and geth... I see there's /etc/systemd/system/geth.service but it doesn't start automagically 03:42
ZofBot: the humans abandoned me! 03:45
ZofBot Zoffix, I would love to dive into the POD stuff deeper, but unfortunately I only have just the right amount of time to do the release and the advent post, that's it for this year :) I feel like there should be some connection between pod and pandoc but dunno what I would feel like / be able to, work on in
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Zoffix I think I may have managed... 03:47
ZOFsystemd: make a "service file" in /etc/systemd/system/ then run `sudo systemctl enable TehService` 03:48
hm or maybe not. Geth never came back :P 03:49
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Zoffix gah 03:51
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Zoffix looks like `WorkingDirectory=/home/geth/geth/` needed to have the last slash on it 03:51
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Zoffix \o/ 03:53
p6lert: add 6.d-proposed method Str.parse-names was renamed to .uniparse. .parse-names will warn in 6.d and will be removed in 6.e 03:54
p6lert Zoffix, Added alert ID 1: alerts.perl6.org/alert/1
Zoffix I love you, robots. You never fail me <3
Zoffix starts churning out a blog
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Geth doc: 2a28c82a76 | (Alex Chen)++ | doc/Type/Signature.pod6
Fix #1724

Provide valid example of Type/Signature.pod6, X«Constraining signatures of Callables|Callable (constrain)»		 05:51
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Signature
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wander \o 05:59
piojo star: use LWP::Simple; use JSON::Fast; 06:26
camelia ===SORRY!===
P6M Merging GLOBAL symbols failed: duplicate definition of symbol INET
piojo m: use LWP::Simple; use JSON::Fast;
camelia ===SORRY!===
Could not find LWP::Simple at line 1 in:
/home/camelia/.perl6
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/site
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/vendor
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6
CompUn…
piojo There's something wrong with my rakudo. It can't include LWP::Simple, then JSON::Fast. But it works in the other order. 06:30
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piojo I'm sure it's just my current build, but I can't figure out why this started happening. 06:31
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piojo Oh, looks like zef installed JSON::Fast twice. Lovely. I guess that's why the --upgrade flag says "BETA" 06:40
geekosaur which suggests those two have different JSON::Fast deps, and if the older one is loaded first then the newer one conflicts 06:41
but if the newer one is loaded first then it satisfies the dependency for the other as well? 06:42
(although technically they shouldn't do that, I think. not sure how that case is supposed to work.)
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piojo geekosaur: I might have actually installed a downgrade as an upgrade (zef upgrade .), so that probably screwed things up. 06:57
but it's fixed now, and I'm debugging a more serious Rakudo problem
I'm debugging type errors, but this is a little out of my league 06:59
geekosaur perl6 supports multiple versions of modules installed, and versioned importes 07:01
what happens if two modules require different versions, I don't know
piojo geekosaur: I'm actually looking into this now, but understanding rakudo's core is pretty hard at first: rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=128287 07:04
I think the comment in the bug report will be highly useful: "It's as if we end up with two "instances" of the same parameterized type, and the type check gets confused about which one to check against." 07:05
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piojo maybe one type gets created in precomp, the other at runtime, and they aren't merged/combined? 07:05
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Summertime p6: Set.new((1,2,3),(1,2,3)) 10:39
camelia ( no output )
Summertime p6: put Set.new((1,2,3),(1,2,3));
camelia 1 2 3
Summertime huh, so that got changed from 6.c I guess 10:41
Zoffix mc: put Set.new((1,2,3),(1,2,3)); 11:12
committable6 Zoffix, ¦2015.12: «1 2 3 1 2 3␤»
Zoffix c: 2015.12,HEAD dd Set.new((1,2,3),(1,2,3));
committable6 Zoffix, ¦2015.12: «set($(1, 2, 3),$(1, 2, 3))␤» ¦HEAD(418fc06): «Set.new((1, 2, 3))␤»
Zoffix Summertime: a lot of setty/baggy behaviour was unspecced in 6.c and was clarified around August. I guess this is one of the differences. 11:13
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Zoffix c: 2015.12,2017.12,HEAD dd Set.new((1,2,3),(1,2,3)); 11:15
committable6 Zoffix, ¦2015.12: «set($(1, 2, 3),$(1, 2, 3))␤» ¦2017.12: «Set.new((1, 2, 3),(1, 2, 3))␤» ¦HEAD(418fc06): «Set.new((1, 2, 3))␤»
Zoffix Ohhh
Summertime: this is actually the result of the List type being made a value type if it only has value types. 11:16
And it's still new on HEAD, not in any release. This is the only change I see due to it in 6.d-proposals spec: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/5670...81984f39f2 11:18
Looks like both are part of 6.c spec too 11:19
.tell lizmat looks like the value-type-list thing violates 6.c spec. Is there a way of making that change a 6.d-only change? irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-12-29#i_15631590 11:20
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
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Zoffix Gonna do more 6.d-proposals review this long weekend, so we could get it outta the door sooner than later. 11:22
Also, if someone has ideas for fixing R#1289 .. comment on it
synopsebot R#1289 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1289 [severe] [6.d BLOCKER] Implement a Way to Know Caller's Language
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Zoffix Announcing P6lert: Perl 6 Alerts Directly From Core Developers: rakudo.party/post/Announcing-P6ler...Developers 11:24
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leont Anyone an idea why one of my users could be observing a «Cannot flush handle: Failed to flush filehandle: Input/output error» error on Windows? github.com/perl6/tap-harness6/issues/22 12:42
I could put the flush in a try block or something, but I don't like suppressing errors I don't understand 12:44
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Zoffix leont: similar symptom is described in RT#131700 13:03
synopsebot RT#131700 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131700 [IO] prompt not working on bash-on-ubuntu on win10
Zoffix Gonna try to debug it tonight
|12h rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131700
ZofBot Zoffix, Will remind you on 2017-12-29T20:03:34.519417-05:00 about rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131700
leont Zoffix: thanks 13:06
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leont How do I get the version of a module/package/whatever programmatically? 13:26
bdmatatu There was a discussion about this here: colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log...09-08#l529 13:33
manchicken Anybody with Travis-CI experience know how to get Travis to stop rebuilding Perl 6 every time I run a thing? 13:44
Zoffix manchicken: that's the default script that just brews latest perl6 on each run. You'd need to set custom options to avoid that. Try gfldex.wordpress.com/2017/04/14/sp...up-travis/ 13:45
manchicken My biggest issue is the OSX image. Still trying to resolve this stupid `dlopen()` problem where it can't find the image, despite all of the environment variables pointing right at it. 13:48
Do you think I can just cache ~/.rakudobrew? 13:50
Zoffix Don't know. You could just toss it and build without it 13:52
huggable: sauce
huggable Zoffix, Install untested latest development version of Rakudo from source: github.com/zoffixznet/r#table-of-contents
manchicken This is killing me: travis-ci.org/manchicken/perl6-Fcntl
I want to have OSX in the CI... but I just can't get dlopen to find my symbol. 13:53
It looks like the modules which use `NativeCall` have no problem... but for some reason my module which only uses it for tests is having a problem. 14:03
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Zoffix manchicken: don't know anything about it, but FWIW I see you're setting -I things here github.com/manchicken/perl6-Fcntl/...is.yml#L23 Awhile back, I had issues with setting -I things and had to change them to `'-Ilib', |('-I' «~« $*REPO.repo-chain.map: *.path-spec)` because zef builds in some special place or something: 14:10
github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-LN/com...e87682c4e4
Perhaps you could add something that tells you whether the stuff is really up in there vOv
\o
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manchicken Are there ways to get `NativeCall` to respond to paths that I set in Perl 6 code? 14:13
The documentation only seems to indicate how you can point it to a specific file, which doesn't seem like what I want to do.
I just want to add lookup paths. 14:14
Off, I just looked at the Most Wanted list again. 14:20
The POSIX module is going to be a beat.
Beast* 14:21
I wonder if half of the reason it hasn't been started is because of how huge it is.
It's dirty tricks time with Travis... 14:25
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manchicken If I started implementing the POSIX module, how likely do y'all think it would be for others to start joining in ? 14:35
Also, I wonder if maybe it makes sense to break such a dense module up.
`POSIX::FileHandling` and `POSIX::Signals`, that type of stuff.
Dunno...
It's just so big.
SUCCESS! 14:45
Woot! I have uploaded perl6-Fcntl to CPAN. 14:52
buggable New CPAN upload: perl6-Fcntl-0.0.1.tar.gz by MSTEMLE cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/M/MS/...0.1.tar.gz 14:58
manchicken I guess I now add the line to github.com/perl6/ecosystem ?
In the META.list?
Geth ecosystem: 3994b3a97e | (Michael D. Stemle, Jr)++ | META.list
Adding Fcntl
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Geth perl6-most-wanted: 0b230d839e | (Michael D. Stemle, Jr)++ | most-wanted/modules.md
Removing Fcntl from the list now that I've pushed it.
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timotimo m: Blob.new(1, 2, 3, 4).subbuf(10..1) 15:27
camelia From argument to subbuf out of range. Is: 10..1, should be in 0..4
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo m: Blob.new(1 xx 100).subbuf(10..1)
camelia Unable to allocate an array of 18446744073709551608 elements
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
manchicken Oof, I suppose one of the hardest bits for POSIX is going to be the volume of platforms it has to account for. 15:29
It might make the most sense to break POSIX up... 15:30
Then there's the question of whether I should pick POSIX next, or dig into some l10n stuff. 15:34
It would be nice to have a good ICU implementation.
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tony-o does metacpan not show perl6 modules in search? 16:58
timotimo i don't think it does 17:00
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ilmari tony-o: modules.perl6.org/ indexes perl6 modules on cpan 17:29
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tony-o so does modules.zef.pm :-) 17:31
was just curious about metacpan's status
modules.zef.pm now has the readmes working again 17:34
ilmari I don't think there are any plans for indexing perl6 modules on metacpan
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tony-o ah 17:46
bummer 17:47
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lelf hi. you do ‘use X’. After that, how do you know what has changed and what is X? (e.g.: foo is in scope now, X is a package, X.WTF will tell me that info) 19:29
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timotimo m: use Test; say Test::.keys 19:47
camelia (&todo_output EXPORT &failure_output &output)
timotimo m: use Test; say Test::EXPORT::Default::.keys
camelia Could not find symbol '&Default'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo m: use Test; say Test::EXPORT::DEFAULT::.keys
camelia (&does-ok &like &eval-lives-ok &pass &cmp-ok &subtest &flunk &dies-ok &unlike &todo &skip &use-ok &isnt &skip-rest &diag &eval-dies-ok &is-deeply &throws-like &ok &is &done-testing &bail-out &is-approx &lives-ok &MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL &plan &nok &is_appr…
timotimo m: use Test; say ::.keys 19:48
camelia ($=pod &eval-lives-ok &like &does-ok $_ $/ &dies-ok &flunk &subtest &cmp-ok &pass !UNIT_MARKER &unlike $=finish EXPORT &use-ok &skip &todo $! &throws-like &is-deeply &eval-dies-ok &diag &skip-rest &isnt ::?PACKAGE GLOBALish &done-testing &is &ok &live…
tony-o m: class X { }; say GLOBAL::.keys; 19:50
camelia (X)
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lelf m: use Test; say Test.HOW 20:00
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ModuleHOW.new
lelf ^ any better way?
tony-o what information are you trying to get, exactly?
what subs were imported, if there is a new class available to your code, what methods are in the class, what the class name is? 20:01
timotimo's code shows for modules what subs were imported into scope, what are exported by default - mine shows for a class 20:02
lelf I'm interested in everything :) but last question is about whether it's a unit class/module/grammar/...? 20:03
tony-o m: use Test; class X {}; say Mu ~~ X; say Mu ~~ Test; 20:04
camelia False
False
tony-o oops
m: use Test; class X {}; say X.HOW; say Test.HOW; 20:12
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW.new
Perl6::Metamodel::ModuleHOW.new		 20:13
tony-o a little better, with grammar lelf: 20:15
m: sub x($t) { $t.HOW.^name }; use Test; class X {}; grammar Y { }; say x(X); say x(Test); say x(Y);
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW
Perl6::Metamodel::ModuleHOW
Perl6::Metamodel::GrammarHOW
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lelf m: say (1..5)».WHAT 20:27
camelia (Range)
lelf why?
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timotimo WHAT is special and won't do things like hyper method calls 20:28
m: say (1..5)>>.^name
camelia Range
timotimo apparently neither will that
lelf m: say .^name for 1..2 20:29
camelia Int
Int
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tony-o what were you expecting from that timotimo ? 20:36
timotimo call .^name on each element of what Range.list gives you 20:37
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timotimo m: say (1..5)>>.uniname 20:37
camelia (<control-0001> <control-0002> <control-0003> <control-0004> <control-0005>)
timotimo m: say (1..5)>>.Str>>.uniname
camelia (DIGIT ONE DIGIT TWO DIGIT THREE DIGIT FOUR DIGIT FIVE)
tony-o ah
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pnov2017 what's perldoc equivalent in 6? 21:02
teatime p6doc 21:15
docs.perl6.org/programs/02-reading-docs
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Summertime m: my $total = 0; put do for 0..5 {$total += $_}; 21:34
camelia 15 15 15 15 15 15
Summertime what would be the best way to avoid that "issue"?
m: my $total = 0; put do for 0..5 {($total += $_).clone}; # its a way around it but... it seems a bit cumbersome? 21:35
camelia 0 1 3 6 10 15
jnthn m: put [\+] 0..5 21:36
yoleaux 28 Dec 2017 20:29Z <Zoffix> jnthn: would you be able to clarify what is a ".list"? github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1344
camelia 0 1 3 6 10 15
yoleaux 09:21Z <piojo> jnthn: Could you please take a look at this bug? I've debugged it some but it's really out of my league: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id...50f25eb6ab
09:28Z <piojo> jnthn: I added comments that I hope will be useful, but the next step requires understanding how how MVMObjects are created (or looked up) as modules are parsed after (not during) compilation.
jnthn m: my $total = 0; put do for 0..5 {item $total += $_}; # also this :) 21:37
camelia 0 1 3 6 10 15
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Herby_ o/ 21:37
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Summertime ah, that seems to be it, thank you! 21:38
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timotimo m: my $total = 0; put do for 0..5 { ($total += $_)<> } 21:48
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timotimo decontainerization postfix operator
lizmat yes, because that's really what you need
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Summertime hmm, is there a reason that op isn't in the docs? just hasn't been doc'd yet, or is it that troublesome? 21:52
pmurias tony-o: re metacpan showing Perl 6 modules even once it supports Perl 6 modules I guess the main metacpan.org site will only show Perl 5 modules as that's what people search for when writing Perl 6
Summertime oh, nevermind, found it 21:53
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Zoffix nqp: say(QAST::WVal.new(:value(42), :ann('foo', 1)).ann('foo')) 23:12
camelia This representation (VMArray) cannot unbox to a native string (for type NQPArray)
at gen/moar/stage2/QASTNode.nqp:204 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/nqp/lib/QASTNode.moarvm:ann)
from gen/moar/stage2/QASTNode.nqp:128 (/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2…
Zoffix Is there a way to set .annotate('foo', 'bar') directly via a named arg? 23:13
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Zoffix nm; read the sauce for QAST::Node; there ain't one. 23:18
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tony-o pmurias: can't tell if you're joking 23:27
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teatime Q: is there a type constraint that will accept: Int 4, int/int32/int64 4, Num 4e0, Rat 4.0, but reject: 4.3 and 4.00000000000000000000003 etc. ? 23:38
jnthn No, but I figure you can define a subset Integerish of Numeric where $_ == .round; or so 23:39
timotimo m: say 4.narrow == 4
camelia True
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jnthn Uh, .narrow is perhaps better :) 23:39
timotimo m: say 4.narrow ~~ Int; say 4.3.narrow ~~ Int 23:40
camelia True
False
jnthn Or .floor
timotimo m: say 4e0.narrow ~~ Int;
camelia True
jnthn Don't use .round, it'll get false negs
TEttinger m: say 16/4.narrow ~~ Int; 23:52
camelia False
TEttinger not sure of the precedence there 23:53
or if 16/4 is the syntax for a ratio
jnthn m: say (16/4).narrow ~~ Int; 23:54
camelia True
jnthn Method calls are very tight 23:55
In fact, they're as tight as it gets :)
TEttinger but is (16/4) a ratio or is it dividing 16 by 4 as an operation? 23:56
m: say (16/4).what; 23:57
camelia No such method 'what' for invocant of type 'Rat'. Did you mean any of these?
Rat
flat

in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
TEttinger I guess
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jnthn It's an operation 23:57
Though it will be constant-folded at compile time
TEttinger I am probably misunderstanding what a Rat is
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TEttinger that said (16/4) is a Rat I think 23:58
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