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Xliff \o 00:14
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lookatme o/ 00:17
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Xliff \o, again 00:32
Does anyone know if "is DEPRECATED" supports all the options of the old "DEPRECATED" sub? 00:33
"sub DEPRECATED" used 3 arguments. I am trying to find a better way to conver that to "is DEPRECATED" without too much modification.
For example -- How would this convert to the trait version: "DEPRECATED('size-request',Any,'0.3.2')" 00:36
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lookatme Don't know that, better ask on the stackoverflow Xliff 00:44
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Xliff Nah. I'll leave the question up and wait for a response, here. 00:56
The reason I am asking is because I am trying to add to GTK::Simple.
And that project still uses the old method.
So it's br0ke
lookatme Okay 00:58
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Xliff Who is working on GTK::Simple? 01:37
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Geth ecosystem: 279c5a0f4d | (Fernando Correa de Oliveira)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Add OrderedHash to the ecosystem

  github.com/FCO/OrderedHash
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skids .tell AlexDaniel yes, anything I say on #perl6-dev or #perl6 may be published with my permission. 03:37
yoleaux skids: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel.
geekosaur that's not quite the same thing 03:39
logs, not specific snippets
hm, guess that depends on how I understand 'with my permission', to me it sounds like "please check first" 03:40
which is difficult for logs
skids Oh, I meant in the "permission is granted" sense. 03:41
geekosaur this is something it is good to be certain about, since the context is GDPR and our logs going away as a result 03:42
because nobody specifically have permission to be logged
*gave
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skids .tell AlexDaniel I mean, you hereby have my permission to publish the logs (it was pointed out that could be taken two ways) 03:44
yoleaux skids: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel.
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Geth doc: cbcf464ae7 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/X/IO/Unlink.pod6
defined β†’ denied
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doc: 46e94bce6b | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
Revises unlink, closes #2096
synopsebot_ Link: doc.perl6.org/type/X::IO::Unlink
Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Path
ingy anyone know what digest algorithm is used for .precomp file names? 05:48
sha1 seems to be 44 chars long and precomp names are 40 05:49
jmerelo ingy: I guess we would have to look at the source...
ingy nm
jmerelo ingy: it uses nqp::hash...
ingy sha1 is 40, my bad
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ingy jmerelo: url? 05:51
jmerelo ingy: I was going to say this: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/ec04...em.pm6#L10 05:52
ingy: but I'm realizing that creates a real hash as in hashmap 05:53
so not that.
ingy: but this is the one github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/ec04...it.pm6#L17 05:54
ingy: and yes, it uses nqp::sha1
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ingy jmerelo: thx 06:39
jmerelo ingy: :-)
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ingy I need to do a similar thing for my testml language. Store precompiled code. I'm just using timestamps at the moment, but it won't work for shipping my precomps. 06:42
jmerelo ingy: the expert in precomp, far as I can tell, is ugexe. Using it very extensively in zef. 06:43
ingy: we have a similar intention in perl6/doc github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1952 06:44
ingy do any mechanisms ship the precomp files 06:45
jmerelo ingy: there's an implementation in pod2onepage, just in case you want to look how it works in practice. It's not well documented, though 06:46
ingy: as in packaging them and using them for deployment? No, I don't think so. It's used only locally.
ingy I see. In my case I have this language called testml that you can write tests that run in any language. like they run in perl6. but the compiler is not perl6. so when I ship perl6 modules that have testml tests, I ship the test sources, but also the precompiled versions. 06:48
so the test runner needs to know that the source file is in sync with the precomp file. and was just wondering what kind of hashing would be best for that. 06:49
jmerelo: you going to the perl conf next week, perchance? 06:50
in utah...
jmerelo ingy: No, sorry. 06:51
ingy no worries :)
bed time for old ingy... 06:52
ttul o/
jmerelo ingy: see you tomorrow :-)
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ingy jmerelo: oh... can you tell from that code what values are using to compute the digest? 06:56
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ingy is it just file content or what? 06:57
jmerelo ingy: I think it's just in the name. It computes different sha1 depending on the type of thing, if it's in a repo or not, but I don't think it's using the content. 06:58
ingy: let me see
ingy so it would recompile based on timestamp? 07:00
jmerelo ingy: far as I remember from the pod2tonefile, yes 07:01
ingy: but let me see, I'm not so sure now.
ingy: right, it's using the timestamp github.com/perl6/perl6-pod-to-bigp...nepage#L64 At least in this implementation 07:02
ingy: as I say, not too well documented...
ingy thanks for all the help! 07:03
jmerelo ingy: no problem. My pleasure.
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Geth doc: 9f1f046710 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files
Adds push-exactly refs #1395
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doc: 4a5c96613e | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Iterator.pod6
Improves push-at-least refs #1395
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doc: d6698c4e72 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Iterator.pod6
Includes better examples for .push methods in Iterator docs.

Which then closes #1395
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lizmat clickbaits p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/06/11/...-redirect/ 07:45
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sjn lizmat: itym "You'll never believe what happened next!" p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/06/11/...-redirect/ 07:56
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lizmat :-) 07:56
sjn "Noone expected how URL would change their life!" 07:57
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jmerelo :-) 07:58
Xliff \o
sjn o/
Xliff Is anyone working on gtk-simple right now?
I am trying to add gtk_widget_is_focus() and gtk_widget_grab_focus(), but I am running into NativeCall type issues. 08:01
Namely that when I pass any typed widget, I get an error about "expecting a CPointer type but got P6opaque"
Is there any way to force a specific cast to an object type with Perl6? 08:03
jmerelo Xliff: p6Opaque is perl6ish, CPointer is native
Xliff: that means that you will have to work with native objects through and through. 08:04
Xliff I know that. :S
But when I get to the point of using actual GTK::Simple::Widget subclasses, I run into problems.
jmerelo Xliff: so "any typed widget" will have to be natively typed. 08:05
Xliff I just want a way to coerce them to GtkWidget if necessary.
GtkWidget is CPointer.
So if I have a GTK::Simple::VBox, how can I coerce it to GtkWiget if a GtkWidget is called for?
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jmerelo Xliff: the best thing is probably to raise an issue in the repo. In general, it's not possible to coerce non-native types to native types. Hence the error. 08:06
Xliff Do I need to use MONKEY-TYPING for this?
Or can I just define a "method GtkPointer" and do my conversion there? 08:07
jmerelo Xliff: don't think so. MONKEY-TYPING is used to augment existing classes docs.perl6.org/syntax/augment
Xliff For example: "method GtkPointer { nativecast(GtkPointer, self) }
jmerelo Xliff: conversion might be a better option. Give it a try.
Xliff Er... correction: "method GtkWidget { nativecast(GtkWidget, self) }" ... or would that be +self? 08:08
BTW jmerelo, how are you doing? 08:11
Anything fun?
(I know, I know... I still owe you docs...) 08:12
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jmerelo Xliff: not really now. Filing paperwork for a grant in $dayjob 08:19
Xliff: there are lots of issues still to be done... work on them whenever you feel like :-) 08:20
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jmerelo There's also a squashathon coming up 08:20
squashable6: status
squashable6 jmerelo, Next SQUASHathon in 24 days and β‰ˆ1 hour (2018-07-07 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
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sjn Ooh, I found a confusing error message! \o/ 09:27
echo "foo" | perl6 -ne 'say "${_}"' 09:28
Unsupported use of ${_}; in Perl 6 please use {$_}
(which in this case doesn't do what's expected!)
AlexDaniel sjn: sorry, what is expected? 09:33
m: use isms <Perl5>; say "${_}"
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '${_}' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3use isms <Perl5>; say "7⏏5${_}"
El_Che sjn: are you fuzzy testing?
sjn El_Che: yeah, playing with some Perl5-isms to see what happens 09:35
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sjn bug report created 09:36
AlexDaniel: in Perl5, ${var} is the same as $var 09:37
AlexDaniel m: $_ = 42; say "{$_}" 09:39
camelia 42
AlexDaniel so why not?
m: $_ = 42; say ${_}
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of ${_}; in Perl 6 please use $_
at <tmp>:1
------> 3$_ = 42; say ${_}7⏏5<EOL>
AlexDaniel the error message is even smart enough to recommend $_ if you're not in a str 09:40
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ilmari $ echo "foo" | perl6 -ne 'say "{$_}"' 09:40
Use of uninitialized value $_ of type Any in string context.
it works without the { }
AlexDaniel oh 09:41
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AlexDaniel why? 09:41
hmmm 09:42
El_Che it's the quotes 09:43
$ echo "foo" | perl6 -ne 'say ${_}'
Unsupported use of ${_}; in Perl 6 please use $_
sjn {} creates a closure, which resets $_ 09:44
El_Che I did this: echo "foo" | perl6 -ne 'say ${_}'
AlexDaniel sjn: I don't think so 09:45
sjn any variable other than $_ works fine with the example in the error message
AlexDaniel m: $_ = 42; put "{ say $_ }"
camelia 42
True
AlexDaniel m: $_ = 42; put "{$_}"
camelia 42
sjn so something different happens with a perl6 -ne loop? 09:46
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Geth doc: 3347f71fa4 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlsyn.pod6
Expand a bit on labels wrt to goto
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Geth doc: 80a4f64926 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Add example of an anonymous sub return itself
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doc: ba87ed3068 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
De-emphasize references vs containerized objects
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doc: 44a39217bf | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Link to the smartmatch documentation
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Geth doc: dbdd6aca58 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Link to actual documentation rather than to synopsis
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moritz ⟰ always up! 11:24
Geth doc: b1bfd97f5b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Elaborate on the "my Foo .= new()" idiom
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moritz (I just love the QUADRUPLE ARROWs in Uincode)
lizmat m: dd "⟰"uninames
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3dd "⟰"7⏏5uninames
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
statement modifie…
lizmat m: dd "⟰".uninames
camelia ("UPWARDS QUADRUPLE ARROW",).Seq
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Geth doc: 54365a6c8b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Elaborate a bit on comma versus parentheses
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doc: 579461622c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
infix xor *is* now dociumented
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Geth doc: f6328aeba6 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Elaborate a bit in array/hash interpolation
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Geth doc: d13b36d607 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Mention that qqw// can also be written as << >>
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Geth doc: ccb4f25322 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Point to "Nil while foo()" idiom
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Geth doc: bdf3baf8ec | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/subscripts.pod6
Change example of sorting multidimmed

Although the syntax "sort(*[1])" is technically correct, I felt it could be confusing to naive readers with the "say @a[*;1]" syntax just two lines before it. Using "sort( { $_[1] } )" is less magic at a place where there's already quite some magic introduced.
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Tison m: say ("String", Nil, 2).perl 13:52
camelia ("String", Nil, 2)
Tison m: say ["String", Nil, 2].perl
camelia ["String", Any, 2]
Tison it remains me of once lizmat show how `is default` works
docs.perl6.org/type/Nil#index-entr...assignment
b2gills m: my Int @foo is default(42); @foo[3] = Nil; say @foo 13:54
camelia [42 42 42 42]
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Geth doc: 6c60943b1d | (Brad Gilbert)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
5to6 `1 while foo()` generates a warning
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Geth doc: d57a155c2f | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
whitespace
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Geth doc: 961110ac6c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Revert "Mention that qqw// can also be written as << >>"

This reverts commit d13b36d6071ddd12bf797df67ed8f05dbde2cb47.
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Geth doc: dc1ea46cdf | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-nutshell.pod6
Hopefully clarify that Perl 6 doesn't have references better
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raschipi When everything is a reference, nothing is a reference. 14:39
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lizmat raschipi: indeed, do you have suggestions for improvement? 14:40
raschipi No, I think you did a wonderful job, explaining that p6 has references without saying that p6 has references. 14:41
Perhaps get into binding? I got confused about it's relationship with references a while back. 14:44
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ingy e: my $a=[];say 'OK' unless $a.elems == 0 16:01
evalable6
ingy e: my $a=[];say 'OK' unless $a.elems
evalable6 OK
ingy e: my $a=[];say $a.elems == 0
evalable6 True
ingy explain please
jmerelo Let's see. 16:02
ingy err
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jmerelo m: say ($a.elems == 0).^name 16:02
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$a' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say (7⏏5$a.elems == 0).^name
ingy explanation: ingy is dumb
jmerelo m: my $a=[]; say ($a.elems == 0).^name
camelia Bool
jmerelo ingy: :-) not really. Only we sometimes have to understand how Perl 6 behaves in misterious ways. 16:03
m: my $a=[]; say (so $a.elems == 0).^name
camelia Bool
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jmerelo ingy: first take into account that, by declaring it using $, it's an Scalar, not a Positional. 16:03
So let's see
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jmerelo e: my @a=[];say 'OK' unless @a.elems == 0 16:04
evalable6
ingy I just got my simple logic wrong
jmerelo ingy: right, because of the unless
jmerelo: so it's me who's dumb.
ingy us so dumb it's contagious 16:05
jmerelo As an excuse, I'm kind of dumb-founded by this conversation here github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2096#i...-396585259
But anyway. Positionals better carry a @. 16:06
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ingy jmerelo: you are JJ? 16:08
I might link to the commit for "I revised the documentation" 16:09
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jmerelo ingy: will do. 16:12
ingy: but it's right there in the closing notice...
ingy nod, bdfoy is maybe having a bad day :) 16:13
but he's a good guy
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raschipi jmerelo: he wants the docs to say what happens when you call unlink in a file that doesn't exist. It doesn't do anything, and returns the name of the file as if it had just deleted it. 16:18
jmerelo raschipi: well, the documents say that it does not return the file name if called as routine, raises an exception if called as a method. That's what it "does" 16:19
raschipi: I mean, it does not return the name of the file if it was not able to delete it, just the names of the files it *was* able to delete. 16:21
robertle to me "the files that were successfully deleted" does not include files that were already gone...
raschipi m: say unlink 'pl6.txt'
camelia unlink is disallowed in restricted setting
in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 1
in sub unlink at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 19
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
ingy :)
robertle but it is awefully terse on the subject
raschipi If it was allowed, the line would say '[pl6.txt]'
jmerelo raschipi: it's raising an exception. It does not say anything... 16:22
robertle: What would you add?
raschipi It returns the names of the files that don't exist, not the ones that were deleted.
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jmerelo hum 16:22
robertle jmerelo: not sure, but I'll try to phrase something later
jmerelo raschipi: it returns the names of the files that were deleted. If it couldn't delete them *for any reason*, it does not. 16:23
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Geth doc: zoffixznet self-assigned unlink doesn't complain if it tries to operate on a file that doesn't exist github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2096
46d35a3526 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6

Closes github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2096 D#2096
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raschipi "it returns the names of the files that were deleted", but 'pl6.txt' in my line above doesn't exist and therefore couldn't be deleted, but it's name is reurned anyway.
jmerelo raschipi: do that locally. You can't use unlink with Camelia, It's raising an exception, doing nothing. 16:25
raschipi Yes, I did it locally.
got [pl6.txt] 16:26
jmerelo raschipi: I really don't understand here. Would that be an error in Rakudo? 16:27
raschipi: let me check
raschipi I don't think rakudo should do anything about it, the docs should be clarified to say that's the expected behavior.
If there's no error returned from unlink(2), return the name. unlink(2) succeeds both when the file was deleted and when it didn't exist in the first place. 16:28
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jmerelo raschipi: in subroutine mode, yes. It always succeeds, returns the names of the files deleted. 16:29
raschipi And in method form it returns true even when called in an IO object that points to a file that doesn't exist.
jmerelo raschipi: that's what it says in the docs. What you are saying is that maybe it should fail if it couldn't remove a file? Or that it should fail in different ways depending on why it couldn't delete? If you want that behavior, use it as a method. 16:30
ingy how do I flush stdout and stderr after every write operation?
jmerelo .flush on the filehandle docs.perl6.org/routine/flush Which I guess are $*OUT and $*ERR. 16:31
raschipi No, the docs say "The subroutine form returns the names of the files that were successfully deleted". Which is not complete, it returns the names of the files that were succesfully deleted and the ones that didn't exist in the first place.
synopsebot_ Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Path
D#2096 [closed]: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2096 unlink doesn't complain if it tries to operate on a file that doesn't exist
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raschipi The method form returns True when it succesfully deletes the files and when the file didn't exist. 16:32
jmerelo raschipi: Ah, OK. That's bad. And not documented. I didn't know.
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jmerelo It's clear now in zoffix's patch 16:33
raschipi It shouldn't be changed.
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raschipi Rakudo would have to check if the files exist before deleting them, which would be a problem when trying to delete a lot of them. 16:34
jmerelo raschipi: that wasn't in the issue, however...
El_Che it's weird it returns the list of files, it does not sound very usedful
returning an error seems more practical 16:35
raschipi You cast that to Int to get the number of deleted files, and to Boolean to test for a failed operation.
El_Che yeah, not that useful
casting as an error
jmerelo El_Che: it does so in one form. But anyway it's not our thing to judge that. Just to check that actual behavior is as documented. 16:36
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jmerelo raschipi: Or it was, since all the *.txt didn't exist to start with. I tested it with files that *did* exist. I get it now... 16:37
geekosaur this might be more interesting if it instead returned the ones that failed, possibly mixin-d with Failure 16:38
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raschipi m: say my $n = Any but Failure; 16:40
camelia Cannot mix in non-composable type Failure into object of type Any
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
geekosaur guess I should have included "if that's possible" 16:41
my point is you might want to know why a particular file failed, and I don;t see a way to get that currently except to go one by one
and not sure even that since you get back what succeeded 16:42
jmerelo geekosaur: you can always use it as a method, individually in each file. It will throw an exception if it can't do something.
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geekosaur that's what I just said 16:42
jmerelo geekosaur: right, sorry. 16:43
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ingy jmerelo: I'll try .flush 16:45
I think Test::Builder is not flushing properly 16:46
but I might be able to work around that for today
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ingy or I might be able to patch Test::Builder 16:46
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Geth doc: 6e17351fdc | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
Adds another sentence clarifying behavior of unlink

Also some possible explanation of the rationale of including non-existing files in the output list. Refs #2096, does not close, because it's been closed already. Thanks again @briandfoy for the report, and sorry for not understanding the problem from the beginning.
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jmerelo raschipi: See ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ 16:49
ingy e: $*OUT.flush; $*ERR.flush
evalable6
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ingy I get: Cannot flush handle: Failed to flush filehandle: Operation not supported 16:50
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ingy on * 2018.04.1 16:51
raschipi "returns the names of the files that C<do not exist> after the operation". jmerelo: it just trusts the operating system, if it doesn't get an error from unlink(2), it returns the name of the file. It doesn't check if the file is really gone if that's what you mean. 16:52
jmerelo raschipi: I guess so. I would have to check the actual code, but it's down in NQP, which goes even further down to the MoarMV. 16:53
raschipi: It makes sense.
jmerelo: I mean, I actually checked the code of the whole thing to answer the issue. It's not as if I just closed it without doing anything. 16:54
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ingy as TimToady once told me, the agreement of semantics in human communication is HARD, and the root of all mankind's problems 17:01
I may have embellished just a bit :)
jmerelo ingy: :-) 17:02
raschipi: I'll change that too.
raschipi Well, I do think it's a serious problem, but I don't agree it causes slavery. Some people are just cunts, it doesn't come from a misunderstanding.
ingy iirc, I told him to shut up at the time only to realize an hour later how brilliantly correct he was... (an hour later 4 people had 4 different ideas of the very simple topic of conversation) 17:03
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Zoffix ingy: what OS is that on? 17:08
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Zoffix the flush thing 17:08
ingy mac
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ingy Zoffix: ^ 17:09
Zoffix ye 17:10
Geth doc: a6247146bf | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
Right another attempt at rephrasing the behavior of unlink refs #2096
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jmerelo Anyway, I think we're are trying to do our best. We might be wrong sometimes, but it does not help to thumb-down anyone. 17:13
Zoffix jmerelo: you probably made bdfoy's shitlist and he'll now hate you forever. 17:14
jmerelo It was my mistake, I am sorry for that, I'm trying my best to undo the mistake.
Zoffix passes jmerelo club membership application.
ingy: this gives the same error, right? perl6 -e '$*OUT.flush' 17:15
Like with no redirection or any of that business.
jmerelo ducks under the cover
ingy hmm. no that works
AlexDaniel jmerelo: hello. This cover is actually pretty nice :) 17:16
ingy Zoffix: that gives no error
I'll try to make something that does in a 1-liner 17:17
Zoffix ingy: FWIW, this is the C code that does the flushing: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/mast...#L224-L240 and MVM_platform_fsync is just mapped to fsync: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/mast...rm/io.h#L8
Geth doc: bbbce35fd5 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
Fixes POD error
raschipi jmerelo: it's clear now. 17:18
jmerelo raschipi: OK :-) 17:19
Zoffix: this stackoverflow.com/questions/508214...2_50821434 will probably make him hate me even more.
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ingy bdfoy likes me :) 17:20
I think so anyway, haven't seen him since 2012
jmerelo ingy: everyone using YAML likes you :-) 17:21
ingy definitely not true
Zoffix: do you recall WARNING: unhandled Failure detected in DESTROY. If you meant to ignore it, you can mark it as handled by calling .Bool, .so, .not, or .defined methods. The Failure was: 17:22
No such symbol 'TestML::StdLib'
Zoffix ingy: yeah
jmerelo ingy: well, there's this tribe of JSONers...
ingy Zoffix: what repo is that issue on? 17:23
I forgot how I worked around it
getting it again
Zoffix ingy: github.com/ingydotnet/testml-pm6/tree/0.2.0 based on my brower history.... 17:24
ingy: and the fix is probably somewhere in this convo: colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log...05-24#l840 17:25
workaround I mean 17:26
ingy Zoffix: I mean didn't we file a perl6 issue?
I just don't know what github repo to look for it in
Zoffix ingy: it'd be in rakudo/rakudo 17:27
ingy k
Zoffix ingy: R#1515 or R#1865 maybe 17:28
synopsebot_ R#1515 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1515 Erroneous unhandled failures for runtime module loading
R#1865 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1865 require Foo; does not replace `package` with proper class
ingy Zoffix: btw I can't repro the flush error outside testml yet: perl6 -MTest::Builder -e 'my $t = Test::Builder.new; $t.plan(1); $t.ok(1); $t.diag("hmmm"); $*OUT.flush; $*ERR.flush'
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ingy Zoffix: R#1502 17:29
synopsebot_ R#1502 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1502 Failure.DESTROY warning sometimes warns when Failure was technically handled
Zoffix jmerelo: FWIW, the docs document it as "Support for combinations of modes other than what is listed above is implementation-dependent and should be assumed unsupported" 17:30
jmerelo: and :mode<wo>, :append isn't on the list. 17:31
ingy Zoffix: I thought it was just from using 'unit class'
er, 1502 is not it 17:32
Zoffix ingy: R#1502 doesn't look like your issue. That one is just the case of one failure bailing out before the next on in the same statement has a chance to be examined.
jmerelo Zoffix: right. Should open an issue for :mode<wo>?
Zoffix jmerelo: what sort of issue?
CIAvash[m] Gitlab seems to be down and because "META6.json"s can't be reached, the modules hosted on gitlab are not included in ecosystem-api.p6c.org/projects.json and zef says it cannot find those modules. Is this the intended behaviour? 17:33
jmerelo Zoffix: ":mode<wo>, :append isn't on the list." But I guess one should assume that is implementation independent and should be assumed unsupported, right?
Zoffix jmerelo: I mean, the docs are correct. We only support the listed combinations. All the other dozens of permutations are UB (Undefined Behaviour) 17:34
jmerelo Zoffix: yep, that is what I understood, but from the covers I'm ducking in I have to read stuff twice or thrice to avoid mistakes. 17:35
Zoffix CIAvash[m]: probably could be improved..
CIAvash[m]: this is the relevant repo you could file an Issue in github.com/perl6/ecosystem/ that's where the projects.json generator is. Or you could file in github.com/ugexe/zef 17:36
CIAvash[m]: probably could add a conditional in here that would read use dist's info from previous run if we fail to fetch the new one: github.com/perl6/ecosystem/blob/ma...pl#L14-L19 17:38
ingy: FWIW this works fine for me and doesn't crash perl6 -MTest::Builder -e 'my $t = Test::Builder.new; $t.plan(1); $t.ok(1); $t.diag("hmmm"); $*OUT.flush; $*ERR.flush'
ingy Can someone help me do this right: '$str ~~ s:g/(\d+)/@list[$0 - 1]/'
Zoffix What's wrong with it now? 17:39
ingy Zoffix: yeah for me too,