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jnthn SmokeMachine: In some ways, a feature of my post was that we can test the route impl even without having written the real store. :-) But yes, of course a Red impl of it is a nice thing :) 00:01
SmokeMachine: Feel free to put it up as a sample app somewhere 00:02
Though note the suggest-tree would need to check for if there's a tree already submitted at that location :)
You already have the unique constraints, so probably can map an exception into the domain exception 00:03
And yes, if the Red example you wrote there already really works, please do put it in the ecosystem. :) 00:04
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SmokeMachine jnthn: the example works... just the unique constraint isn’t working, and I’m not sure why... (not with my computer now) 00:11
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SmokeMachine jnthn: my problem of adding red to the ecosystem is it needs more tests and several NYI operators... 00:13
jnthn SmokeMachine: Sure, but it looks like it's already capable enough to be useful for various things? :) 00:14
SmokeMachine jnthn: I hope so! :) 00:17
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uzl .tell jmerelo After fiddling with tbrowder's p6advent-md2html, this is the html I got: uzluisf.gitlab.io/sample-advent/ . I guess the css will be provided by the WP website?! 00:43
yoleaux uzl: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
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AlexDaniel uzl: yes, pretty much. Do you have the [+ Write] button on perl6advent.wordpress.com/ ? 00:49
if not you should be given access to it
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uzl AlexDaniel: I got the link for Perl 6 WP from moritz and created the account but haven't look well into it yet. 00:53
AlexDaniel uzl: yeah, but if you're logged in and you go to perl6advent.wordpress.com/, is there a button to create a new post?
uzl: if yes, then you can already make a draft 00:54
and you'll see how it is going to look
uzl AlexDaniel: Alright. I'll take a look! ;)
AlexDaniel uzl: fwiw an hour ago when my post became public, worpress ate all of the < > 00:55
so that's something to look for…
also uploading a wordpressified version ahead of time can help :) 00:56
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jnthn The best way I've found to deal with wordpress is 1) write markdown, 2) put it into a gist, 3) copy-paste the rendered gist into the Wordpress editor. :) 01:11
(That doesn't get you nice highlighted code, alas)
daxim stackoverflow.com/questions/539004...ing-uax-29 01:17
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jnthn daxim: Answered :) 01:23
daxim that's neat! 👍 01:26
I can accept in 2 minutes 01:27
SmokeMachine jnthn: www.irccloud.com/pastebin/m22K8ThX/ 01:33
jnthn: what do you think? (now unique constraints are working...) 01:34
jnthn SmokeMachine: Lovely. The CATCH is a catching absolutely everything rather than just a constraint failure; perhaps it's hard to portably know that's what is wrong, but if it were possible, that'd be neat 01:43
(I've a similar situation on a $dayjob app, but there's only one DB being used there, and I just do a /UNIQUE/ or some such on the error message... :) 01:44
I do wonder if that add-unique-constraint call wants a BEGIN 01:45
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jnthn Also, what'd happen if I marked both latitude and longitude as `is id`, to try and get a composite primary key? 01:46
Does that Just Work?
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SmokeMachine jnthn: what about now? www.irccloud.com/pastebin/R8J559ZF/ 01:53
jnthn: now working yet... gimme 15 min... :P
jnthn: that's why I need people using it... 01:54
jnthn SmokeMachine: My fear with the pattern matching is that different databases will word the error differently.
Time for me to sleep; 'night o/ 01:55
SmokeMachine jnthn: that's true... currently Red do not throw own exceptions...
i think it should... 01:56
jnthn: thanks! good night!
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timotimo o/ 02:34
uzl AlexDaniel: I was able to get it done! Although I couldn't get a link to share the scheduled post here before it goes live. Schedule date: 12/25/18 at 12:01 AM. 02:41
Thanks!
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SmokeMachine .tell jnthn www.irccloud.com/pastebin/0UE3Frlh/ 02:48
yoleaux SmokeMachine: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
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timotimo doesn't look bad, SmokeMachine, but i hope there can be a prettier way to add that unique constraint in there 02:52
maybe red could, like, call all methods with a specific name where you could do setup like that?
since model surely already has something like a specific compose phase or something 02:53
maybe even $*RED.add-unique-constraint?
SmokeMachine timotimo: if its a single column unique constraint, you do: `has Type $.col-name is column{ :unique }`
you could do `Tree.^add-unique-constraint` 02:54
timotimo true 03:01
SmokeMachine timotimo: what do you think of releasing Red? 03:11
timotimo release early, release often :) 03:23
i'd say it looks quite good, release it :)
SmokeMachine twitter.com/smokemachine/status/10...4582816773 03:32
timotimo nice
i'll retweet that when i've had a good night's rest
carbon.now.sh/?bg=rgba(171%2C%2018...p;wm=false - btw :) 03:39
er
no need for the long url actually
SmokeMachine does that highlight perl6?
timotimo not really :| 03:40
maybe we can get them to, though?
SmokeMachine we could try... :)
timotimo btw, how do you feel about a trait or something that prevents methods on the HOW to be called from anything other than methods of the model itself? :) 03:42
hm. probably a better idea to have a private attribute with the model inside instead?
SmokeMachine I think something like that could be a good idea! 03:43
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buggable New CPAN upload: Algorithm-LDA-0.0.8.tar.gz by TITSUKI modules.perl6.org/dist/Algorithm::L...an:TITSUKI 05:14
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jmerelo squashable6: status 07:04
yoleaux 00:43Z <uzl> jmerelo: After fiddling with tbrowder's p6advent-md2html, this is the html I got: uzluisf.gitlab.io/sample-advent/ . I guess the css will be provided by the WP website?!
squashable6 jmerelo, Next SQUASHathon in 12 days and ≈2 hours (2019-01-05 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jmerelo .tell uzl great! Now just schedule it at Wordpress and you're good to go! 07:05
yoleaux jmerelo: I'll pass your message to uzl.
sacomo hi all 07:27
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sacomo does anyone know of a way to detect if a test is being run during `zef install` from inside the .t file? 07:29
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moritz sacomo: what do you want to achieve? 07:32
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sacomo I can use an env var or move a test to xt, but I am looking for a simple way to skip a test during install only. just wondering if there is some exposed envvar or flag that indicates a test is being run during module installation. 07:34
jmerelo sacomo: I don't think so. What you are looking for is a test that only runs during zef test but not during zef install? 07:36
sacomo: There could be some way, but it will probably be a hack and not supported... 07:38
sacomo yeah, that is what I was thinking. ok, no worries. I will just move it to xt. 07:39
thanks
jmerelo sacomo: that's probably the wise thing to do.
sacomo: ugexe, the main zef author, is usually active in StackOverflow. You can try and ask there too.
sacomo ok, thanks 07:40
jmerelo sacomo: what you are proposing, anyway, it's a very interesting idea. A zef introspection API would be a nice thing. Maybe expose the phase as a dynamic variable, or simply as a Zef::API call. 07:41
sacomo yeah, I can think of a few uses for something like this 07:44
Xliff Someone have any idea on the best way to release something that takes almost 40 minutes to precompile?
Would love some ideas. Thanks! 07:45
o/
jmerelo Xliff: as in, a note saying "hang in there, buster, some way to go?"
Xliff: or you want to make that time shorter?
Xliff: Whenever something takes a long time to do something I stuff it into a Docker container. Compile once, download it in no time. 07:46
Xliff: but I don't know if that's what you're looking for. Probably not.
moritz Xliff: are you generating rainbow tables at compile time? :D 07:49
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jmerelo Xliff: also, maybe use macros? They're experimental, but they mostly work... 08:00
Has everyone checked out today's advent calendar entry by AlexDaniel? perl6advent.wordpress.com/2018/12/...tmas-soon/ 08:06
Some help spreading the word would help, too :-) It's going to be there for the search engines, but still, 08:14
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jmerelo Next question in StackOverflow will be the number 900 stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/perl6 Who wants to do the honors? 08:56
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jmerelo Also help with this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/539023...-variables 08:57
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Adding some macro features refs #2514
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/experimental
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pmurias Xliff: why does your thing take 40 minutes to precompile? 10:13
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buggable New CPAN upload: Uzu-0.2.9.tar.gz by SACOMO modules.perl6.org/dist/Uzu:cpan:SACOMO 12:54
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SmokeMachine jnthn: I think with this get exceptions with patern matching will not be needed: github.com/FCO/Red/issues/69 14:34
jnthn SmokeMachine: Yeah, that's a reasonable idea 14:35
yoleaux 02:48Z <SmokeMachine> jnthn: www.irccloud.com/pastebin/0UE3Frlh/
SmokeMachine I think I’ll try to release Red before Christmas... 14:36
jnthn Which year? :D
SmokeMachine But my I’m afraid of releasing to early and it have a lot of bugs, and everybody think it doesn’t work and never try again... 14:38
jnthn: the day after tomorrow. :D
That’s why I haven’t released yet... 14:39
That could be a lot of bugs, or less features that it needed... 14:40
jnthn Yeah, it's tricky. With Cro I was going to reveal it at a conference talk, so I had a deadline :P 14:41
SmokeMachine jnthn: I was thinking of releasing it the same day of my advent calendar post... 14:44
Idk why I didn’t...
I’d like to have some people using it to let me fix the bugs and implement the needed features before releasing... 14:46
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ufobat how can i troubleshoot why a run() did return an exitcode of -1 15:05
Juerd Multi-line qq{} does not seem to interpolate {}. Is that intended behaviour?
Hm, or maybe qq{} doesn't do {} at all. I thought it did work at least yesterday... 15:11
ufobat M: my $p = run <yada>; $p.out.slurp(:close).say
m: my $p = run <yada>; $p.out.slurp(:close).say
camelia Invocant of method 'slurp' must be an object instance of type 'IO::Handle', not a type object of type 'IO::Pipe'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
ufobat huh?
Juerd m: say qq{4 = { 16.sqrt }} 15:12
camelia 4 = { 16.sqrt }
Juerd m: say "4 = { 16.sqrt }"
camelia 4 = 4
Juerd m: say Q:c{4 = { 16.sqrt }}
camelia 4 = { 16.sqrt }
Juerd m: say qq:c{4 = { 16.sqrt }} 15:13
camelia 4 = { 16.sqrt }
Juerd m: say qq[4 = { 16.sqrt }]
camelia 4 = 4
Juerd Meh?
ufobat i would expect qq{} to behave like qq[] 15:17
could it be that run() fails to invoke commands that are in paths with spaces in it? 15:21
on windows 15:22
SmokeMachine I’m not with my computer here, but I just remembered a question I have to ask: does anyone have any idea of why if I remove this `no precompilation` everything breaks? github.com/FCO/Red/blob/master/lib...ors.pm6#L5 15:27
jnthn: do you have any idea? ^^ 15:28
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SmokeMachine AlexDaniel: why have you used ProblemSolver as example? 16:52
I’m just curious 17:03
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SmokeMachine ufobat: hi! 17:08
ufobat: I was reading IoC... have you seen Injector (github.com/FCO/Injector)? 17:09
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ufobat not yet 17:29
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ufobat Injector looks magical :) 17:30
SmokeMachine ufobat: :) is it a good thing?! :P 17:31
ufobat that is not a right questionfor a perl6 adept 17:32
you dont have much boilerplate, i like it 17:33
it is not obivous how it works 17:34
SmokeMachine When I was writing it my first thought was to port Bread::Board but then I thought it could look more perl6... 17:35
(Even for me... I don’t think I remember how it work...) 17:36
ufobat i need to admit, from the README.md and the example i dont know how to use it correctly, how to do block injection and stuff like this 17:37
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ufobat i started a module called XML::Rabbit, do you know that, SmokeMachine? that does also exist in perl5 17:40
SmokeMachine ufobat: there is no block inject... 17:42
ufobat: no... I haven’t known... reading it... 17:43
ufobat dont read my module, i failed on it
have a look at the original 17:44
i was just reminded on this, when you said "do it more in the perl6 way" 17:45
moritz also, "don't exaggerate" 17:46
SmokeMachine That looks fun!
ufobat: are you writing it? 17:47
ufobat writing what?
SmokeMachine moritz: is there such a thing as “too much perl6”?
ufobat: the perl6 XML::Rabbit 17:48
ufobat: still writing that? 17:49
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ufobat I just started it, I am currently not giving it any love :-( 17:49
SmokeMachine I have a problem: when I see something that looks fun, I tend to stop everything I’m doing to do that “shine thing”... 17:53
But I’ll not get any new module to write until I release Red
Does any one here live on the uk? 17:55
ufobat i am looking forward for Red
SmokeMachine ufobat: really? Do you feel like using it? 18:01
ufobat i would give it a go instead of using DBIish directly for a project i am doing with a friend 18:02
SmokeMachine ufobat: what do you think of using it and help me finding bugs and missing features? 18:05
ufobat a friend of mine is doing the perl6 part, in this project. i already recommended Red to him. but he is gone for 1-2 weeks for xmas holidays 18:06
of course I would write issues and such if I run intro troubles
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SmokeMachine :) 18:12
trex42 . 18:15
ufobat hi trex42 18:16
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ufobat SmokeMachine, help 18:34
my, err your StrictClass has a bug 18:35
SmokeMachine ufobat: where? Red?
ufobat github.com/ufobat/p6-StrictClass 18:36
tadzik hmm
maybe github.com/tadzik/ClassX-StrictConstructor hasn't :)
SmokeMachine Hum! StrictClass! 18:37
What’s the bug?
ufobat let me write a test :-) 18:38
tadzik, !!! :D
tadzik ufobat: that's a "great minds think alike" moment :P
ufobat gist.github.com/ufobat/9b10e0cb68e...012c1bb6a1 18:41
^^ SmokeMachine
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ufobat the funny thing is, in my real world problem i do get a different error 18:44
SmokeMachine, could it behave different depending if you put the classes and roles in a seperate file 18:46
SmokeMachine ufobat: I’m sorry, I’m not with my computer now... 18:47
ufobat SmokeMachine, no worries could you have a look at it later in the next couple of days? 18:48
SmokeMachine Sure! As soon as I come home... 18:49
ufobat awesome :-) 18:50
and in the meanwhile i'll prove that there are bugs in tadziks module ;-)
good night guys! 18:51
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nadim SmokeMachine: care to explain what it does? 19:20
SmokeMachine nadim: sorry, what? 19:21
nadim Maybe I misunderstood from the conversation above, thought you wrote Injector 19:22
SmokeMachine nadim: yes, I did
nadim what is it? 19:23
not obvious to me from the readme
SmokeMachine It’s a ioc the same idea of the ufobat’s IOC 19:24
nadim: but you just add an `is injected` where you want to inject stuff... 19:25
And `bind()` what you want to be injected...
nadim I'll look at Stevan's module, there's documentation ;) 19:26
rindolf nadim: hi
nadim rindolf: hi 19:27
rindolf nadim: sup? 19:28
SmokeMachine nadim: I don’t know how to explain ioc... I think that’s why I couldn’t write a good doc...
rindolf SmokeMachine: inversion of control?
nadim SmokeMachine: steal the doc from Bread::Board ;)
moritz internet of crap :)
rindolf moritz: heh
SmokeMachine rindolf: yes 19:29
nadim: that is a good idea! :)
nadim: do you understand at least a little what Injector does? 19:31
nadim little, run time dependency, aka comfiguration, kind plugins that have to be plugged in. what I got after 3min, I may be completely wrong 19:32
20 years old concet/name and it's the first time I hear about it! 19:33
moritz the idea is: if A needs B, it doesn't instantiate B itself, but gets the B supplied from the outside 19:34
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moritz a Web Scraper needs a HTTP user agent: it doesn't built it itself, it just declares that it needs one 19:35
and then you can use outside configuration to supply a HTTP user agent that conforms to the desired API 19:36
nadim that's what I meant with plugins that have to be plugged in
sorta pure virtual functions in c++ except that the instantiation is done somewhere else 19:37
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SmokeMachine The beauty of this is that if I want to test that web scraper, I can change the http use agent without changing the web scraper and mock it... 19:39
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nadim isn't it exactly what we have doing with plugins for 40 years? 19:41
moritz it's not a new idea :)
it's also not a complicated thing
nadim indeed not, composition is old as linux pipeline 19:42
I don't see the usage pattern (when/where/why) but get the principle
seen timotimo around? 19:47
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rindolf nadim: i started reading ruby.github.io/rake/doc/rakefile_rdoc.html and rake seems powerful and handy, but i'm wondering if github.com/nkh/P5-PerlBuildSystem is similar in capabilities 20:25
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nadim rindolf: yes minus all the bullshit in rake 20:31
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vrurg If anybody can help with stackoverflow.com/questions/539071...eclaration – I'd be very grateful! :) 21:00
lizmat vrurg: have you looked at how OO::Monitors does that ? 21:03
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AlexDaniel SmokeMachine: that's the only pretty graph I had 21:40
maybe this one is also good though: gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/d8020ef...erview-svg 21:41
and this one is definitely not pretty: gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/3296f8c...erview-svg 21:42
:D
also it's old (it didn't show versions back then, so you see multiple arrows when it means different module versions) 21:43
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AlexDaniel e: say (‘abc’ ~ (‘foo’ x 999999999) ~ ‘xyz’).contains: ‘fooxyz’ 21:59
evalable6 True 22:00
AlexDaniel timotimo: huh, I didn't know that it finishes at all
that's pretty fast actually for 999999999 repetitions
not as fast as if it skipped the repeated part, of course, but still not horrible 22:01
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nadim 30 sec on my laptop 22:12
what is surprising it that it uses only 81 MB memory 22:17
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timotimo o/ 22:25
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vrurg lizmat: Sorry for not replying instantly, had to leave... OO::Monitors handles classes, not roles. 23:14
lizmat vrurg: ok, so that means you did look at that ?
vrurg I sure did. Actually, Jonathan was the one who pointed me into this direction. 23:15
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vrurg And it does work for classes. 23:15
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timotimo you should be able to do much of the same stuff as OO::Monitors, but instead of ClassHOW use the right other HOW, there are multiple with "Role" or "Parametric" in their name, one of them is the right one 23:20
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vrurg timotimo: The problem is that role is being initialized differently. Look into Actions.nqp, line 3157. 23:24
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vrurg It doesn't matter what HOW is used – would it be ParametricRoleHOW itself – if the keyword is not 'role' then one gets the error. 23:25
timotimo curious
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timotimo right, that makes sense. huh. 23:26
jnthn Yeah, it's hard-coded on the $*PKGDECL at the moment. Probably it should be replaced with looking at $*PACKAGE.HOW.archetypes.parametric or whatever it's called
timotimo sounds like it'd be $package instead of $*PACKAGE, maybe
jnthn I didn't look at the code :P
I think there is a dynamic though :)
timotimo yeah, $*LEAF 23:27
jnthn But yeah, if there's a local then use that :)
timotimo i want to be leaf
jnthn I be leaf in you
I'm fine with patching it to look at archetypes instead, anyway.
I think the code may pre-date the archetypes existing 23:28
And then nobody tried to do their own role-y meta-objects until now
timotimo vrurg++ # operating at the edge of known science
jnthn Indeed :)
I'm glad to see more and more folks doing MOP stuff. At first I was like, "oh no, have I created something only I understand to use?" :) 23:29
vrurg jnthn: So far, it's only you, I'm afraid. But I hope to get back on this same time next year... ;) 23:30
timotimo i've also been MOPing! well, last time was a couple of years ago already ...
jnthn Yeah, SmokeMachine++ has been making nice use of the meta-level in Red also :) 23:31
timotimo .archetypes.databasy
vrurg Since we're taking on this... Where can I find an example of patching the grammar? I've seen it before, just can't recall... 23:33
timotimo slangs, like tuxic for example
jnthn Various Slang:: modules would be doing it
timotimo you probably want to look at the refine-slang method on ... something :) 23:34
vrurg Exactly! Thanks! 23:35
SmokeMachine jnthn: thanks! :) 23:38
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nadim timotimo: so what was you DDT/6Pad integration idea? 23:38
vrurg timotimo: hm, neither googling, nor grepping came up with anything on refine-slang. Kidding me? 23:39
timotimo i must have remembered it wrong
nadim: i'm not entirely sure yet; i think the whateverables should be able to output a gist of the right "format", so we could totally have a regexable bot that dumps a match object, or even cooler: give a steppable little html interface from a regex trace 23:40
vrurg Nevermind... I have enough now. It's about a very simple injection of a single keyword.
timotimo ok, it has to be define_slang 23:41
i thought a refine_slang also existed
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nadim timotimo: I am not following, yet, is it a regex dump you want to give (including the steps it takes) or any object dunp? automatically or under the user control? 23:43
timotimo all of those would be interesting, i think
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timotimo like, it could put the input text and starting regex into the 6pad, maybe also in a textarea with an "evaluate" button to allow for experimentation without recompiling the code itself 23:44
nadim I just noticed that it is not possible to use a module through the interface
timotimo and outputting the match object with DDT should be a nice possibility
that's possibly just a matter of having the right $*REPO built for the job
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timotimo pmurias would probably know how to do this 23:45
nadim timotimo: let me check what example I have, I haven't touched this for a year
timotimo that's fine. i probably need a bit of time with a notepad :) 23:47
nadim if you install the latest version of DDT, there is an example/match,pl in the distro 23:48
It shows multiple ways to dump a match 23:49
they are all much shorter than the standard dd output 23:50
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nadim DDT doesn't dump matches by default, it's an extra role. So it would be easy to modify if we want something else 23:51
and there is all the filtering one can do to make things even better looking
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nadim timotimo: Damian had Regexp::Debugger for P5 a niffty application I liked, I remember adding a few request to it. Something like that would be cool. 23:58
timotimo yeah 23:59

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