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Geth doc: b1c30a8aac | Coke++ | README.md
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doc: fdb6bdbf30 | Coke++ | doc/Language/experimental.pod6
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/experimental
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Geth ecosystem: ca7333e8e5 | (Richard Hainsworth)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Add PodCache::Module, provides PodCache::Render

See github.com/finanalyst/pod-render For rendering Pod to another markup, default HTML, using templates. All templates can be over-ridden. Pod processing has no embedded HTML. As Pod is processed, data is collected for ToC & index (all headers and X< > items).		 05:50
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Xliff \o #perl6 06:46
Hope everyone is enjoying a Happy Holiday Season.
holyghost Xliff : would you know where to put the docs in Bayes/Learn.pm6 ? 06:55
Xliff : happy holidays :-) 06:58
Xliff holyghost: :) 07:05
holyghost: Confused. What docs?
If it's committed, I'll take a look in a minute.
(and pushed)
holyghost Xliff : I need to write docs for Bayes::Learn, jmerelo told me I had to put in a Learn.pm6 file for docs 07:06
(and pushed) ? 07:07
anyway, I'll ask JJ later on today 07:09
.tell jmerelo Could you explain how to put docs with Learn.pm6 in Bayes::Learn ? 07:13
yoleaux holyghost: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
Xliff holyghost: Do you have the docs written? If so, you can add POD comments and those can become your docs. 07:16
holyghost ok, I'll write a pod6 later on then, thx Xliff 07:19
I'm too drunk now :-) I'll probably best wait until next week 07:20
thx
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jmerelo I have been unable to discover where the official perl6 documentation container was hosted. There's a perl6 organization in Docker Hub, but I have no idea how to work with it or if I have access to it 08:30
yoleaux 07:13Z <holyghost> jmerelo: Could you explain how to put docs with Learn.pm6 in Bayes::Learn ?
jmerelo .tell holyghost you can check out my Perl6 advent calendar entry perl6advent.wordpress.com/2018/12/02/
yoleaux jmerelo: I'll pass your message to holyghost.
jmerelo Anyway, I have created it with my tag, hopefully nobody minds, and of course I don't mind if somebody manages to put it under the perl6/ namespace in docker. 08:32
It's going to be built automatically every time we push to master, and you'll be able to use it with docker pull jjmerelo/perl6-doc
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jmerelo (Unfortunately, it does not seem to work right now. I've created an issue) 09:04
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El_Che lo 09:44
sjn o/ 09:46
El_Che: had just a chat with a friend about the perl6 docker container :) 09:47
Xliff .tell AlexDaniel New graph! This time with captions for the avg-lines, although you may need to download and look at them in Chrome or chromium-browser. Good news though: latest perl6 times are better than before!
yoleaux Xliff: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel.
AlexDaniel .
yoleaux 09:47Z <Xliff> AlexDaniel: New graph! This time with captions for the avg-lines, although you may need to download and look at them in Chrome or chromium-browser. Good news though: latest perl6 times are better than before!
sjn El_Che: he asked if that image was available on OpenShift, I answered "I don't know, maybe El_Che knows?"
AlexDaniel Xliff: where? 09:48
Xliff LOL! 09:59
A link would help, yes?
github.com/Xliff/p6-GtkPlus/blob/5...7-0341.svg
Sorry. Was busy reading jmerelo's Advent post from 12/02 10:00
Now I think I need to add a background color. :/ 10:01
.oO( Wonder how long that will take me... )
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Xliff Answer... not that long. :) 10:05
El_Che sjn: if Openshift can pull Docker images, sure. 10:06
but I must say, with containers and orchestrators I completely fail to see the point of openshift :) 10:07
sjn El_Che: it's good for visibility 10:08
it's heavily used, and by being in that index, we show those users that Perl 6 is "available" 10:09
"exists"
El_Che yeah, my point is that openshift shifted (ho-ho-ho) to containers and kubernetes, so I expect it uses upstream Docker registry 10:10
but I can be wrong 10:11
I been a while since I looked at OpenShift and asked "why"
Ok, posing the question in a full room Red Hat paid event made it somewhat awkward and funny, but still :)
Xliff AlexDaniel: Better version with background color. I will brighten the text in a sec. 10:17
jmerelo Xliff: did you like it? 10:20
sjn: there are quite few Perl 6 docker containers, official and otherwise...
And El_Che is right about OpenShift. It was a very nice PaaS, but now it's got OpenShift.io, which I can't figure out, and OpenShift 3 "online", which kicked me out after I didn't create a project in 90 days. 10:21
Xliff jmerelo: I learned something, therefore it is good! 10:27
AlexDaniel: github.com/Xliff/p6-GtkPlus/blob/m...7-0341.svg <-- Better version
Note that 12/21 results are WAY higher than 12/27. And for a laugh, see if you can find the ones from Christmas. 10:28
jmerelo Xliff: thanks!
Xliff: those are benchmarks?
Xliff jmerelo: Compile times from my current obsession.
More like parse times, but that's the lion's share of --stagestats
jmerelo m: say "Are you Camelia?" 10:48
camelia Are you Camelia?
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SmokeMachine jmerelo: what do you think of RabidGravy’s idea for Red... I think it was much better than my original one to create a scheme class... 16:31
Ven`` day 20 has many pretty APL symbols.. 16:32
jmerelo SmokeMachine: the one you've mentioned in Twitter?
SmokeMachine: I liked the original one, anyway. Let me check.
Ven`` I understood absolutely none of it however
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melezhik Hi! How to make subroutines arguments mutable ? 16:33
sub profile-install ($dir,$profile,%args?) { $profile ~~ s/^ (\S+?) '@' // }; 16:34
jmerelo SmokeMachine: it looks amazing...
SmokeMachine: plus a good amount of work...
melezhik Cannot assign to a readonly variable or a value
jmerelo melezhik: add "is copy" to the name, as in "$dir is copy"
Ven`` you mean "is rw"? 16:35
jmerelo m: sub foo ($bar is copy, $baz) { $bar++; return [$bar, $baz} }; say foo(3,4)
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in array composer; couldn't find final ']' (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3copy, $baz) { $bar++; return [$bar, $baz7⏏5} }; say foo(3,4)
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jmerelo m: sub foo ($bar is copy, $baz) { $bar++; return [$bar, $baz] }; say foo(3,4)
camelia [4 4]
Ven`` I s'pose it depends if you want locally mutable or not
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SmokeMachine jmerelo: :) now bought work :) 16:38
jmerelo SmokeMachine: it was also your 1000th tweet :-) 16:39
melezhik jmerelo: is copy works for me. thank you 16:40
jmerelo melezhik: sure :-)
Ven`` oh, Red seems pretty nifty 16:45
a bit Linq-like
SmokeMachine jmerelo: I diânt know that!
didn't
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Geth doc/master: 4 commits pushed by (JJ Merelo)++ 16:50
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melezhik perl6 -e 'my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort(), grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>' 17:01
()()
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melezhik what I am doing wrong? 17:01
I expect not empty result
m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort(), grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>' 17:02
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 say sort(), grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>7⏏5'
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
…
jmerelo melezhik: sort is not sorting anything...
melezhik ?
jmerelo melezhik: grep is not grepping anything either
m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort(): grep { $_ eq "b" }: %a<foo>'
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 say sort(): grep { $_ eq "b" }: %a<foo>7⏏5'
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
…
melezhik perl6 -e 'my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>' - the same result
without sort 17:03
what it does not grep?
why
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jmerelo melezhik: grep takes two arguments, no parentheses. When you include another comma, it gets crazy 17:03
m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>' 17:04
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3)); say sort grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>7⏏5'
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
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jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort( grep ( { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>) )
camelia ()
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melezhik still null ... 17:04
jmerelo melezhik: is that closer to what you are looking for? Let's break it down
m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep ( { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>) 17:05
camelia ()
jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say %a<foo>
camelia (a b c)
melezhik it is ... but I expect that it returns "b"
while it does not
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jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say %a<foo>.grep: * eq 'b' 17:06
camelia (b)
melezhik ok that means * not $_
jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep ( * eq "b", %a<foo>)
camelia ()
jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep ( { $^þ eq "b"}, %a<foo>)
camelia ()
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jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep ( /b/, %a<foo>) 17:06
camelia ()
jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep( /b/, %a<foo>) 17:07
camelia ((a b c))
melezhik it is confusing, is not it? ((:
jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep( /b/, $(%a<foo>))
camelia ((a b c))
jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep( /b/, %a<foo><> )
camelia (b)
jmerelo Well
Weveral things
%a<foo> returns a single element, which is a list. You need to de-containerize it (via <> to convert it in a list) 17:08
That's why you have couple of parentheses above.
Putting grep behind listifies, which has the same effect.
melezhik m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep{ $_ eq "b" } %a<foo><> 17:10
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
a used at line 1
melezhik ?
m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep{( $_ eq "b" )} %a<foo><> 17:11
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
a used at line 1
melezhik m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep({ $_ eq "b" }) %a<foo><>
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
a used at line 1
melezhik I get stuck ):
I wish perl6 grep would be more friendly ... to be honest ...
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lizmat what's unfriendly about grep in Perl 6 ? 17:12
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lizmat as opposed to Perl 5 I assume, melezhik? 17:12
melezhik it is complicated ... how can I make my code working?
yes
jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep{ $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo><>
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling grep() will never work with signature of the proto (Mu, |)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say 7⏏5grep{ $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo><>
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jmerelo m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo><> 17:12
camelia (b)
jmerelo melezhik: ^^^ 17:13
m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>.list
camelia (b)
melezhik yeah ...
jmerelo melezhik: you gotta be careful with spaces and commas...
melezhik thanks ... jmerelo:
jmerelo melezhik: eventually you'll do fine, don't worry :-)
melezhik yes ... this is kinda a level of friendliness ... it's not complain ... just my personal feeling ... I need to get used to that ... thanks guys 17:14
lizmat m: my %a; %a<foo> := ("a", "b", "c"); say grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo> # alternate solution
camelia (b)
lizmat melezhik: depending on how you initialize the hash 17:15
jmerelo melezhik: good luck, and you where to find us :-) Happy season greetings, too.
melezhik ah, oh ,, thanks for that lizmat:
sure ... the perl6 community is friendly of course ((-; 17:16
lizmat m: my %a is Map = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo> # yet another alternative 17:18
camelia (b)
lizmat in a map, the values are never containerized
so the grep doesn't need to decontainerize them
melezhik ^^^
melezhik yeah ... I have straight forward %f = () ... so need to add .list here not for Map? ... I see ... thanks lizmat: 17:20
lizmat not for my %h is Map :-)
melezhik yeah :-)
lizmat it actually saves on memory as well
melezhik yeah ... worth to add some examples to perl6 doc on grep/map? 17:21
lizmat basically, for all Hashes that you initialize and not change, the "is Map" makes sense
melezhik good thing ...
my case
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melezhik m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort { .a cmp .b }, grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>.list 17:29
camelia (b)
melezhik homework . ha-ha (:
m: my %a is Map = ( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort { .a cmp .b }, grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo> 17:30
camelia (b)
lizmat m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort &cmp, grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>.list
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
cmp used at line 1
lizmat m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort [cmp], grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>.list
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot reduce with cmp because structural infix operators are diffy and not chaining
at <tmp>:1
------> 3= %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort [7⏏5cmp], grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>.list
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lizmat m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say sort &[cmp], grep { $_ eq "b" }, %a<foo>.list
camelia (b)
lizmat that's the one :-)
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melezhik yeah ... lizmat: good job (-; 17:33
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SmokeMachine Ven``: thanks! 17:54
jmerelo I've forked the Rakudo start docker container and started to build rakudo-nostar containers here github.com/jj/rakudo-nostar 18:03
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jmerelo I had already created the alpine-based containers, but these containers will be plug-in compatible with the rakudo-start ones, but will have many more versions. 18:03
Still getting built in docker hub, but I expect to have them ready this evening. And then, a Perl 6 documentation container (which is the thing that started the yak shaving) 18:04
buggable New CPAN upload: Tomtit-0.0.12.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Tomtit:cpan:MELEZHIK 18:05
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buggable New CPAN upload: Tomtit-0.0.13.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Tomtit:cpan:MELEZHIK 19:05
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Voldenet is there any shorter way of writing `given $x { when "[" { 1 }; when "]" { 2 }; default { 0 }}`? 20:12
jmerelo Voldenet: you can pre-initialize a hash and just use the hash. 20:14
Juerd { "[" => 1, "]" => 2 }{ $x } // 0
Geth doc: fb97e96b95 | (JJ Merelo)++ | Dockerfile
Fixes Dockerfile

Although it has needed a whole new Docker container to go with it. In this case, it closes #2525		 20:15
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Juerd Or if you're really going for short, not caring about readablity: %(<[ 1 ] 2>){$x}//0 20:16
Voldenet Thanks, that's way shorter 20:18
melezhik lizmat: jmerelo: based on my today experience on learning perl6/grep/sort. - kinda interactive console Perl6 tutorial for those who need "get things done" - asciinema.org/a/218669 (github.com/melezhik/p6-GTDT), any thoughts? it's just an idea ...
b2gills melezhik: I generally prefer the method form of grep/sort/map `@a.grep({CODE})` 20:21
m: my %a = %( foo => ("a", "b", "c")); say %a<foo>.grep({ $_ eq "b" }).sort({.a cmp .b})
camelia (b)
melezhik b2gills: worth to add to p6-gtdt? (-; 20:22
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melezhik have added method form for grep/sort cases 20:47
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melezhik I changed logic a bit , now all cases for a topic run in endless loop and unnecessary details are removed from console - asciinema.org/a/2tu5sbHInFm9N7Vtwbdi8Jo5N 20:57
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Xliff Wow! You can sing the theme song to Pinky and the Brain to Singing in the Rain. Ah! Animaniacs 22:33
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