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Set by Zoffix on 25 July 2018.
Kaiepi working around the issue i was having with nativecall ended up being fairly simple 00:05
timotimo assigning to a @foo also makes arrays, that uses the same "single argument rule", too 00:06
m: my @foo = [1, 2, 3]; say @foo.perl
camelia [1, 2, 3]
timotimo that's why this isn't an array of arrays
m: my @foo = 1; say @foo.perl; my @bar = 1, 2; say @bar.perl
camelia [1]
[1, 2]
timotimo the second one has a list of 1 and 2, but it makes an array of 1 and 2, rather than an array of the list of 1 and 2 in its first slot
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lookatme_q so why they not add comma after the first element: [1,] 01:47
m: say [1]
camelia [1]
lookatme_q m: say (1)
camelia 1
lookatme_q oh, that make sense :D 01:48
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isomorphismes in docs.perl6.org/language/grammar_tu..._a_grammar there are two quotes (starting and ending) that somehow should be "tied together" 02:14
whereas <quote>? <stuff> <quote>? would match abcdefg’ or `abcdefg 02:15
and shouldn't 02:16
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lookatme_q isomorphismes, I think they just want show you how the grammar inheritance works. 04:01
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Geth doc: bfc9ee63c9 | (Richard Hainsworth)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/pod.pod6
update pod.pod6 re P<>. remove bad links

If `L<>` is used for an non-existent link (as an example), then the rendered pod will have a link error. In Placements, non-existent links are used. However, a link can be 'rendered' with `C<>` or `V<>`. Note that if a renderer cannot reach a link, then putting it as a target in a link `L<>` will not be much use as the user clicking on such a link will also not reach it.		 06:02
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/pod
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jmerelo releasable6: status 06:31
releasable6 jmerelo, Next release will happen when it's ready. 11 blockers. 115 out of 247 commits logged (⚠ 41 warnings)
jmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/16a43f0f45b8ccbf60...9494163f2a
jmerelo What? 7 blockers more?
OK, now it's some modules... 06:32
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AlexDaniel jmerelo: yeah, blin 06:44
jmerelo AlexDaniel: I want _you_ for Google summer of Code mentor 06:45
AlexDaniel jmerelo: I can't, most likely I'll be away for quite a bit during the summer 06:46
in fact, we will need a release manager for that time 06:47
jmerelo Then for project ideas someone else can tutor
github.com/perl-gsoc-2019/ideas
AlexDaniel speaking of which… potential release managers, please let me know if you exist :) 06:48
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AlexDaniel jmerelo: well, I did leave a comment here :) github.com/pierre-vigier/Perl6-Mat...-457023361 06:49
jmerelo AlexDaniel: I might/could give it a test drive... But it would have to be July or October. And I'm not sure I'm up to the task. Anyone woule be better, I guess
AlexDaniel jmerelo: ok, good to know, thanks! 06:50
jmerelo AlexDaniel: you could add some of all your bots there... Or, as caretaker of Zoffix's modules, add some of them too
AlexDaniel fwiw I'm looking for a more permanent solution, in some sense (more than two months) 06:51
jmerelo AlexDaniel: OK. I understand that. Not this year, then. Maybe Feb 2020 on 06:52
Please take StackOverflow developer's survey: stackoverflow.az1.qualtrics.com/jf...erflow.com 06:54
(Maybe not that link, but if you've got the link, please do it) (To speak about Perl, I mean)
AlexDaniel .tell brrt some cool hardcore ideas from you? :) github.com/perl-gsoc-2019/ideas 06:55
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to brrt.
Geth doc: 1de4ab9704 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/control.pod6
Fix target refs #2568
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/control
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ufobat good morning 07:51
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Xliff Morning. 08:04
gist.github.com/Xliff/afed9c58e738...6645520c8f
\o/ 08:05
And now.... I sleep! 08:07
ufobat hehe :D 08:08
good night Xliff 08:09
Xliff ufobat: Did you read the gist?
ufobat yeah, i did
Xliff Good days work!
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Xliff o7 08:10
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cpan-p6_ New module released to CPAN! XML-XPath (0.9.2) by 03UFOBAT 09:54
ufobat oh that took a while.. like 2 hours :( 09:56
ah it was offline :)
tyil its not as stable as I'd like it to be 09:58
but it's being worked on :>
I just redeployed it with a fix suggested by lizmat, which I hope will keep it stable 10:02
now that I have my own db of metadata on perl 6 modules I dont need the bot to scan/parse nntp for updates at all, actually 10:04
I can just query the db to see if there's anything new
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ufobat sergot and jnthn: i've came up with the idea for the Google Summer of Code github.com/perl-gsoc-2019/ideas/pull/1 . This idea of mine is due to my perception of openssl not being maintained nor being activly developed on it. I just wanted to ping you maybe one of you could improve the propose and/or mentor someone else doing "TLS improvements on the ecosystem" 11:36
s/propose/proposal/ 11:37
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pmurias wouldn't a wiki be better for gsoc project ideas that a repo? 11:57
El_Che .tell jmerelo: 12:57 < pmurias> wouldn't a wiki be better for gsoc project ideas that a repo? 11:59
yoleaux El_Che: What kind of a name is "jmerelo:"?!
El_Che .tell jmerelo 12:57 < pmurias> wouldn't a wiki be better for gsoc project ideas that a repo?
yoleaux El_Che: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
El_Che yoleaux: dwim and strip the end : in an nick :) 12:00
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Altreus I seem to have crashed MoarVM by doing «react { whenever ... -> $message { return unless $message.content } }» 13:34
i assumed the whenever block was a sub because of the -> and therefore I could use return
What is the correct way of inverting if x { the rest of the thing } ? 13:35
pmurias ufobat: do you ideas for what "TLS improvements" are needed? 13:36
jnthn Altreus: Things with -> are never subs, they're blocks 13:37
So return is opaque ot them
`whenever` is a loop, so just use `next unless $message.content`
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ufobat pmurias, whenever i worked professionally with TLS in perl5 I had to meet project specifications. and every time I had to pick perl5 over perl6 because i was not able to implement those 13:44
pmurias, my opinion is that enterprises need a feature compelte openssl bindings, and of course that whatever you can express/implement on top of openssl would be respected in a application that might be on top of cro for example 13:46
Altreus next! OK :)
thank 13:47
El_Che related somewhat are oauth and saml libraries
with those, good db support and cro, you can write most webapps and rest services
jnthn I'd like to see the TLS support get more love also. Cro largely just passes options down to IO::Socket::Async::SSL, so whatever it gets should be available. 13:48
IO::Socket::Async::SSL does a bunch of native call bindings too, which ideally it would not need to do and could just get from an OpenSSL binding module
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Altreus query. Why can't I use await as a method on a Promise? I'd be less surprised if I couldn't call return as a method on an arbitrary thing 13:57
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pmurias ufobat: adding bindings for missing features and moving back stuff from IO::Socket::Async::SSL does sound like a more concrete proposal for a GSoC project 14:05
Geth doc: Michael-S++ created pull request #2587:
Add section on exporting multi methods in a Module		 14:08
ufobat pmurias, jup 14:09
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sergot ufobat++: that's a nice idea! 14:31
yoleaux 17 Mar 2018 10:22Z <ufobat> sergot: I need your help for my PR. I dont know what I am doing, but I need to set the &verfiy-callback
24 Mar 2018 20:01Z <tyil> sergot: I opened a PR on one of your repos github.com/sergot/datetime-parse/pull/8 :>
29 May 2018 07:37Z <Xliff_> sergot: Can you email me a simple way to use HTTP::UserAgent to send a POST with a specific BODY (not form data).
sergot oh, Mar and May... 14:32
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tyil thats almost a year ago 14:37
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andrzejku do we have mac users here? 15:39
lizmat .tell Coke www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/ail...8/eeuiaws/ 15:48
yoleaux lizmat: I'll pass your message to Coke.
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vrurg andrzejku: I'm on mac, if it's not too late 16:25
pmurias andrzejku: yes (I'm not one as I try to avoid Apple stuff if I can) 16:26
El_Che andrzejku: some times 16:28
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SmokeMachine m: Set.HOW ~~ Metamodel::EnumHOW 16:38
camelia Died with X::Multi::NoMatch
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: Metamodel::EnumHOW.ACCEPTS: Set.HOW 16:39
camelia Died with X::Multi::NoMatch
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine What is that bot that shows where a call is implemented? 16:45
timotimo that's sourcebaby
one of zof's bots, so at the moment not online
SmokeMachine :( 16:46
timotimo there's also a module that you can use on the commandline i believe
i'd ask buggable for the module link, but it's also not online
SmokeMachine timotimo: thanks... but I’m not with my computer now... :( 16:47
timotimo OK, can i help you perhaps?
SmokeMachine timotimo: I was curious with this: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2640 16:48
ufobat is IO::Path.resolve (still) broken on windows? 16:50
github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Temp-P...m6#L27-L33
i am wondering line 27 vs line 33
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SmokeMachine timotimo: thanks! 17:00
timotimo sorry, i didn't actually find the relevant code
SmokeMachine Np 17:01
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SmokeMachine m: Metamodel::EnumHOW.^lookup: “ACCEPTS” 17:04
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: Metamodel::EnumHOW.^lookup: “new_type” 17:05
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: say Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods
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SmokeMachine m: .say for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods 17:06
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: say $_ for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods
camelia archetypes
new
new_type
add_parent
add_enum_value
set_export_callback
enum_values
elems
enum_from_value
enum_value_list
compose
compose_values
set_composalizer
composalize
is_composed
role_typecheck_list
set_name
set_…
SmokeMachine m: .say for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods.grep: *.name ~~ /A/ 17:07
camelia WhateverCode object coerced to string (please use .gist or .perl to do that)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Died with X::Multi::NoMatch
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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m: .say for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods.grep: { .name ~~ /A/ } 17:08
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: .say for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods.grep: { .?name ~~ /A/ }
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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SmokeMachine m: say $_ for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods.grep: { .?name ~~ /A/ } 17:09
camelia create_BUILDPLAN
BUILDPLAN
BUILDALLPLAN
Method+{is-nodal}.new
Method+{is-nodal}.new
Method+{is-nodal}.new
Method+{is-nodal}.new
Method+{is-nodal}.new
Method+{is-nodal}.new
Method+{is-nodal}.new
ACCEPTS
ACCEPTS
CREATE
BUILDALL…
SmokeMachine m: say .name for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^methods.grep: { .?name ~~ /A/ }
camelia create_BUILDPLAN
BUILDPLAN
BUILDALLPLAN
Array
AT-POS
ASSIGN-POS
AT-KEY
ASSIGN-KEY
FLATTENABLE_LIST
FLATTENABLE_HASH
ACCEPTS
ACCEPTS
CREATE
BUILDALL
BUILD_LEAST_DERIVED
DUMP-OBJECT-ATTRS
WALK
SmokeMachine m: say Metamodel::EnumHOW.^find_method(“ACCEPTS”) 17:10
camelia ACCEPTS
SmokeMachine m: say .signature for Metamodel::EnumHOW.^find_method(“ACCEPTS”).candidates
camelia (Mu:U: \topic, *%_)
(Mu:U: Mu:U \topic, *%_)
(Any:D: Mu:D \a, *%_)
(Any:D: Mu:U, *%_ --> Bool::False)
(Any:U: \topic, *%_ --> Bool)
SmokeMachine m: say Set.HOW ~~ Any 17:12
camelia Died with X::Multi::NoMatch
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SmokeMachine m: say Set.HOW
camelia No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}'. Did you mean 'isa'?
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SmokeMachine m: say Set.HOW.^name
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}
Geth doc: c480425c74 | (Mike Swierczek)++ | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Update Module docs on is export with multi methods
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/modules
doc: 986a9c6b8d | (Mike Swierczek)++ | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Module is export for multi methods

Experimented with other combinations and added text.
doc: c104c8ccc3 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Merge pull request #2587 from Michael-S/master

Add section on exporting multi methods in a Module
andrzejku I have iMac get it as a gift 17:16
SmokeMachine m: say Set.HOW.^find_method(“ACCEPTS”)
camelia ACCEPTS
andrzejku and now it is hard for me to sell : (
SmokeMachine m: say .signature for Set.HOW.^find_method(“ACCEPTS”).candidates
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
andrzejku but my Linux has audio problems and bluettoth
what makes me crazy
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camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
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SmokeMachine m: say .signature for Set.HOW.^find_method(“ACCEPTS”)
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
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SmokeMachine m: say $_ for Set.HOW.^find_method(“ACCEPTS”) 17:18
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SmokeMachine m: say Set.HOW.^find_method(“ACCEPTS”).candidates 18:00
camelia Died with X::Method::NotFound
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sena_kun m: Set.HOW.find_method(“ACCEPTS”).candidates 18:13
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 2
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sena_kun SmokeMachine, `^` is a shortcut for `.HOW`, so it is either `HOW.foo` or `^foo`. 18:14
SmokeMachine sena_kun: I know... I don’t want the methods of Set, but of Set.HOW... 18:15
sena_kun m: say Set.HOW.^methods>>.name;
camelia (parameterize archetypes new new_type add_fallback compose roles role_typecheck_list concretization is_composed setup_junction_fallback find_method_fallback has_fallbacks set_name set_shortname name shortname WHY set_why ver auth api set_ver set_auth …
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camelia ACCEPTS
SmokeMachine sena_kun: I was trying to find the candidates of ACCEPTS...
m: say Set.HOW ~~ Any
camelia Died with X::Multi::NoMatch
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sena_kun it resolves to NQPRoutine, not a normal Perl 6 method. And Set.HOW object seems to be low-level too... Not sure if that helps in any way though. :| 18:18
SmokeMachine m: say Any.ACCEPTS: Metamodel::ClassHOW
camelia True
SmokeMachine m: say Set.HOW.^name 18:19
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}
sena_kun m: say Set.HOW
camelia No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}'. Did you mean 'isa'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sena_kun ugh...
it gives me `(low-level object `Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}`)` in REPL. 18:20
smallick m: dd Set.HOW
camelia (Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>} without .perl method)
SmokeMachine m: my $meta = Any.ACCEPTS: Metamodel::ClassHOW; say $meta.^name; Any.ACCEPTS: $model
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$model' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3ClassHOW; say $meta.^name; Any.ACCEPTS: 7⏏5$model
SmokeMachine m: my $meta = Any.ACCEPTS: Metamodel::ClassHOW; say $meta.^name; Any.ACCEPTS: $meta 18:21
camelia Bool
SmokeMachine m: my $meta = Any.ACCEPTS: Metamodel::ClassHOW; say $meta.^name; say Any.ACCEPTS: $meta
camelia Bool
True
SmokeMachine m: my \meta = Any.ACCEPTS: Metamodel::ClassHOW; say meta.^name; Any.ACCEPTS: meta
camelia Bool
SmokeMachine m: my \meta = Any.ACCEPTS: Metamodel::ClassHOW; say meta.^name; say Any.ACCEPTS: meta 18:22
camelia Bool
True
SmokeMachine m: my \meta = Set.HOW; say meta.^name; say Any.ACCEPTS: meta
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}
Died with X::Multi::NoMatch
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: my \meta = Set.HOW; say meta.^name; say meta.^roles 18:23
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}
Required named parameter 'local' not passed
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: my \meta = Set.HOW; say meta.^name; say meta.^roles: :local
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}
No such method 'gist' for invocant of type '<anon>'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
SmokeMachine m: my \meta = Set.HOW; say meta.^name; say meta.^roles(:local)>>.^name 18:24
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}
List
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camelia Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW+{<anon>}
(from-iterator from-slurpy from-slurpy-onearg from-slurpy-flat new to from sum fmt ASSIGN-POS BIND-POS reification-target iterator sink STORE eager Capture FLATTENABLE_LIST FLATTENABLE_HASH CALL-ME pick roll rever…
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Xliff \o 18:25
SmokeMachine I should be doing that on #whateverable ... sorry... 18:26
Xliff \o/ gist.github.com/Xliff/afed9c58e738...6645520c8f
SmokeMachine \o/ 18:27
Xliff: congratulations!
Xliff Thanks.
sena_kun Xliff++ 18:29
weekly: gist.github.com/Xliff/afed9c58e738...6645520c8f 18:31
notable6 sena_kun, Noted!
Xliff LOL!
sena_kun not sure if it is used like that, sorry if not. :)
Xliff Its still experimental, tho
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sena_kun I still think that progressing efforts on getting GTK support worth noting. 18:39
El_Che andrzejku: are you looking for a buyer or for a mac support group? :) 18:45
andrzejku El_Che me sell you buy? 18:47
andrzejku joking :)
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b2gills Altreus: Promise has a `.result()` method that does the same thing as `await`. 18:58
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jmerelo The StackOverflow developer survey is on. Please rush there and spread the word about Perl 6 19:07
yoleaux 11:59Z <El_Che> jmerelo: 12:57 < pmurias> wouldn't a wiki be better for gsoc project ideas that a repo?
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jmerelo .tell El_Che, pmurias: a repo offers more possibilities for discussion, or to flesh things out in a wiki. problem with wikis is no one gets notified when something changes. 19:08
yoleaux jmerelo: What kind of a name is "El_Che,"?!
jmerelo .tell pmurias: a repo offers more possibilities for discussion, or to flesh things out in a wiki. problem with wikis is no one gets notified when something changes.
yoleaux jmerelo: What kind of a name is "pmurias:"?!
jmerelo .tell pmurias a repo offers more possibilities for discussion, or to flesh things out in a wiki. problem with wikis is no one gets notified when something changes.
yoleaux jmerelo: I'll pass your message to pmurias.
jmerelo Really
releasable6: status
releasable6 jmerelo, Next release will happen when it's ready. 10 blockers. 157 out of 250 commits logged
jmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/62692a8e21d982b291...e17d7948e5
El_Che jmerelo: for formal proposals drafts, a repo is beter. For one-off idea's, a wiki is less overhead 19:13
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jmerelo El_Che: I don't mind the overhead 19:13
El_Che then it's ok 19:14
jmerelo El_Che: Can you take a look at this? github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2589 Apparently, you wrote the paragraph that introduced that word. 19:16
El_Che Mmm. I think the issue creator mind the term indirection because (s)he is not a fan of OO. But in the doc, indirection is not used for OO. We can replace it by abstractions probably, but I don't see if we should. I wonder what other people think 19:19
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jmerelo El_Che: the OO hypothesis looks plausible. Abtraction does not look quite the same concept to me. 19:21
El_Che it's not the same indeed, but they are related 19:22
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El_Che I don't have much to add to the ticket besides the dumbs up I gave to your answer 19:23
jmerelo El_Che: OK. It might be a hard nut to crack... As far as I understand it, it would imply rewriting a big part of it, at least the intro. 19:24
.seen isomorphisms 19:25
yoleaux I haven't seen isomorphisms around.
jmerelo .seen isomorphism
yoleaux I haven't seen isomorphism around.
El_Che jmerelo: Ruby and Perl 6 have real OO, e.g. compared to C and Go which use structs. So this does not have much sense: 19:27
"Let’s forget object oriented religion or references to ruby. Pretend they never existed. Doing so creates dependencies of knowledge which themselves have dependencies, and which aren’t ultimately worth the time."
you could get away with that in Perl 5, but on on 6 as it's an important part of the language 19:28
so I don't know if you'll get something useful out of that ticket
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El_Che besides a huge PR removing OO from Perl 6 :) 19:28
jmerelo El_Che: you'll have to remove the meta-OO first... 19:29
sena_kun >OO is just nouns and verbs tied together
dark gods pls no
Xliff If I have a c_routine(struct** v) ... what would be the best nativecall signature to use? 19:30
jmerelo sena_kun: that's the thing, I'm not sure if it's a real concern with the docs or an attempt to start a flame war.
Xliff CArray[struct] $v or CArray[Pointer[struct]] $v?
jmerelo Xliff: off the top of my head, I'd say the latter, but give it a spin to see if it works... 19:31
Xliff I've been using the latter, but I wonder if Perl6 can deal with the ambiguity of the former.
sena_kun jmerelo, I think the safe route is to just ask for some clarification, which you already did.
jmerelo Xliff: probably not
El_Che jmerelo: give him time to articulate what he wants, otherwise I won't mind closing it with a "won't fix"
Xliff jmerelo: LOL!
jmerelo sena_kun: I'm always for safe routes :-) 19:32
Xliff Yeah. Me too.
sena_kun :)
jmerelo El_Che: we don't have that in the docs. As a label. We _do_ don't fix things, though.
El_Che as in "we don't close tickets with "won't fix" because it's impolite. That said, you'll ticket will be ignored from now on" 19:33
how is that for polite?
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El_Che but let's wait, maybe the issue is valid and the anti-OO language irrelevant 19:34
jmerelo El_Che: +1 for politeness, -1 for label length
El_Che label: "no" 19:35
jmerelo El_Che: +1 for both.
El_Che the "hellNo" is also an option :)
jmerelo El_Che: "You wish!" 19:36
El_Che "JustForkItAlready"
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jmerelo Lol 19:36
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Xliff If I have a class CS is repr('CStruct') class in $cs, how do I convert that to a pointer? Will nativecast(Pointer[CS], $cs) do? 20:26
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timotimo well, CStruct already is a pointer 20:26
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Xliff OK, so if I assign it to a CArray[Pointer[CS]], I don't need anything? 20:27
In that situation, do I even need Pointer[CS]?
timotimo Pointer[CS] will be CS**, which you may not want
Xliff No. That's EXACTLY what I want. ;) 20:28
No wait.
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Xliff Pointer[CS] is CS* 20:28
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Xliff CArray[Pointer[CS}] is CS** 20:28
And that has been working.
timotimo no, Pointer[CS] is CS**
Xliff CArray[CS] would ALSO be CS* 20:29
timotimo CArray[Pointer[CS]] is CS***
Xliff So how do you represent an array of CS structs?
Because now CArray[CS] will NOT do that.
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timotimo i believe wa had a PR for that that hasn't been merged yet 20:30
Xliff So rakudo currently implements CArray[CS] as the equivalent of CS** 20:31
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timotimo yes 20:31
Xliff OK, thanks!
timotimo: Working on Webkit bindings. ;) 20:32
timotimo i saw something about that!
Xliff gist.github.com/Xliff/afed9c58e738...6645520c8f 20:33
timotimo that's the one
Xliff Right now I am trying to get the view and the JSCore to talk to each other. 20:34
Or at the least, allow Perl6 to overhear the discussion.
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Geth p6-sake: 12fb0fa5a7 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 12 files
Use v6.c in test files for dynamic $_

Resolves rakudo/rakudo#2639.		 20:52
synopsebot RAKUDO#2639 [closed]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2639 [⚠ blocker ⚠] Tests in Sake module and dynamic $_
Xliff timotimo: Do you know which PR you were referring to? The one that hadn't been merged, yet? 20:55
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timotimo putting structs into a CArray directly rather than as pointers 20:56
cronus_ hello. is there a way to use OpenSSL on win32. i get cannot locate ... libeay32.dll. Thanks
timotimo github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/pull/577 20:57
cronus_: i thought the module we have brings its own dll along with it?
cronus_ yes 20:58
the file exists there
timotimo: ^^ 20:59
timotimo how are you running your code?
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cronus_ timotimo: I get the problem when I try to install Cro::HTTP. The simplest example that I get the error is -- use OpenSSL; OpenSSL.new 21:01
timotimo OK, and you tried to install OpenSSL just with "zef install OpenSSL"?
cronus_ timotimo: yes. I have built rakudo star from source on win32 21:02
timotimo hum :/
dunno what's wrong there
can you try the newest rakudo compiler release? perhaps whatever that was got fixed in the mean time? 21:03
cronus_ timotimo: using strawberry perl. I have also tried to recompile openssl using mingw on ubuntu 18.04
timotimo: would that be 18.12?
timotimo yeah, i think the 2018.01 release isn't ready yet, we've got a few blockers
cronus_ timotimo: ok, I'll try that. Thanks 21:04
timotimo best of luck!
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timotimo unfortunately i don't have experience with rakudo on windows :( 21:04
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Xliff timotimo++ # Thanks for the URL! 21:14
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timotimo YW 21:15
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melezhik HI! I am looking for the module to check versions ,like $a = "0.2.1"; $b = "0.3.0"; compare($a,$b); 21:46
gfldex m: my $v = Version.new("1.2.3"); say $v > Version.new("1,2,2"); 21:47
camelia True
gfldex melezhik: ^^^
melezhik gfldex: wow so simple! thanks 21:48
gfldex melezhik: we even got literals for versions, see: docs.perl6.org/type/Version 21:50
melezhik fantastic ... I'd ok with just numbers ((: 21:51
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cpan-p6 New module released to CPAN! gtk-glade (0.7.0) by 03MARTIMM 21:56
New module released to CPAN! Monitor-Monit (0.0.2) by 03JSTOWE
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leont I think I just gained a new understanding of perl6's argument parsing. I don't like it at all. 22:04
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AlexDaniel leont: why? 22:25
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leont The argument parsing is entirely independent from the arguments as defined in MAIN. 22:26
That's not really helpful in letting it DWIM.
That's why «--foo 3» isn't possible, and «--foo=1 --foo=2» may break things because you're expecting an integer and not a list 22:27
AlexDaniel leont: wanna be a mentor for a gsoc project? 22:28
leont: Something like “Better argument parsing in rakudo”, I think there are many NYI tickets and it's indeed less than awesome. github.com/perl-gsoc-2019/ideas 22:29
leont Well, I am already inventing a module for better argument handling
But AFAIK the way it does things is specced, so can't easily be changed 22:30
(my module is Getopt::Long, and it can do pretty much everything the p5 equivalent can do)
AlexDaniel leont: sure but it'd be great to get this stuff in core. Some of it may be specced, but it doesn't mean we can't fix/improve things 22:31
leont: for example there's this PR that needs some love: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/688
I'm not sure actually, maybe it needs to be rejected, maybe not 22:32
leont Actually, that has already been fixed AFAIK 22:33
Setting the named-anywhere entry of %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS to a true value should fix that 22:34
AlexDaniel leont: fwiw I hate MAIN too, but I think there are ways to fix it instead of just hating it :) 22:36
leont I know. That's why I've been writing a Getopt implementation that will magically make it do what I want it to do ;-) 22:37
AlexDaniel sure but… let's move it to core if it's that great? :) 22:38
or we can have a gsoc project focused on the module, with a plan to get it ready for core…
pmurias AlexDaniel: what do you mean by module ready for core? 22:42
yoleaux 19:08Z <jmerelo> pmurias: a repo offers more possibilities for discussion, or to flesh things out in a wiki. problem with wikis is no one gets notified when something changes.
AlexDaniel pmurias: so that it has all the features that we already have + maybe some of the NYI stuff + roast changes and different behavior depending on which language version is used 22:44
pmurias leont: does you module keep MAIN signature interface or does it offer a different one? 22:45
AlexDaniel pmurias: according to the docs: github.com/Leont/getopt-long6/blob...#L432-L433 22:46
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leont pmurias: both 22:51
Because TIMTOWTDI
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atweiden-air what are some ways to split an array of strings into groups of N elems? 23:07
jnthn .rotor($n)
Util atweiden-air: .comb.rotor(...pairs indicating groupings...)
jnthn++ # For reading the question better than I ! 23:08
jnthn I think if you want leftovers that don't fit into $n you'd want .rotor($n, :partial)
atweiden-air jnthn: perfect, thank you 23:09
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Util m: my @a = <abc def ghi jkl>; .say for @a.rotor(2); 23:10
camelia (abc def)
(ghi jkl)
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leont Is there anything left in perl6-land that uses blib? 23:26
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