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| lucs | IO::Path appears to have no method to test if a file is a socket; what should I use? | 01:49 | |
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| guifa2 | TreyHarris: maybe via 'o' you could combine two whatevers | 03:19 | |
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| jmerelo | releasable6: status | 05:30 | |
| releasable6 | jmerelo, Next release will happen when it's ready. 7 blockers. 262 out of 648 commits logged (⚠ 1 warnings) | ||
| jmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/f27810511d5fada1bb...3c651100af | |||
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| Geth | doc: JJ assigned to noisegul Issue Declarators don't know the name of attributes in p6doc github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2269 JJ assigned to noisegul Issue "p6doc -f exit" doesn't work github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2532 JJ assigned to noisegul Issue p6doc does not really work github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2705 34028dcf1b | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/X/Control.pod6 Reflows and clarifies refs #1268 |
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| doc: aecc9472fe | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/CX/Next.pod6 New CX page, refs #1268 |
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| synopsebot_ | Link: doc.perl6.org/type/X::Control | ||
| Link: doc.perl6.org/type/CX::Next | |||
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| Woodi | hi #perl6 | 07:02 | |
| nadim: trying to install required modules... | 07:03 | ||
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| Woodi | .tell nadim to install via zef DDT required: s/pm/pm6/ in META6.json, line 14 | 08:01 | |
| yoleaux | Woodi: I'll pass your message to nadim. | ||
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| Woodi | .tell nadim I tried to parse 132k html file but it instantly got 3G of 4G RAM and I killed it when swap was almoust 1G... | 08:04 | |
| yoleaux | Woodi: I'll pass your message to nadim. | ||
| nadim_ | Woodi: good morning | 08:05 | |
| That's the parser I guess, I can't do much about that. | |||
| Woodi | nadim_: no, commented ^ddt line and scritp finished realy fast | 08:06 | |
| nadim_ | OK, I noticed that things got very slow, didn't check memory usage, even on simple pages | 08:07 | |
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| nadim_ | I tried to profile but crashed the profiler, took 13 GB memory and then my machine started to swap | 08:08 | |
| Woodi | nadim_: btw: how you got that nice looking result of html ? that munging you mentioned before... | ||
| is it some option ? | |||
| nadim_ | look at the code in example/html.pl6 | 08:10 | |
| Woodi | ook ! thanx :) | ||
| nadim_ | It transforms DOM::Tiny data structure on the fly | ||
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| nadim_ | Woodi: time to read the docs ;) | 08:11 | |
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| Woodi | more like learning, but: right :) | 08:13 | |
| nadim_ | there are a lot of small examples in the examples directory; the README lists what they do | 08:14 | |
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| lizmat | weekly: blogs.perl.org/users/athanasius/201...e-013.html | 08:17 | |
| notable6 | lizmat, Noted! | ||
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| xinming_ | In perl6, sometimes, We may encounter Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context in block at (... file-to-pm6) line xxx | 10:38 | |
| But when I go to the line xxx, I saw it's a if block | |||
| In this case, How can we know the concrete position of where the uninitialized value is used? | |||
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| sena_kun | are you asking about how to debug such cases or is there a way for Perl 6 to exactly say the line and column where the value is? | 10:57 | |
| tobs | xinming_: maybe the numeric context is in the if condition? E.g. when you do `if $x == 0` and $x is uninitialised, then you'll get this warning and the line number will be correct. | ||
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| Geth | doc: briandfoy++ created pull request #2868: Fix brian's name |
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| doc: bca4312f66 | (brian d foy)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/faq.pod6 Fix my name |
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| doc: e747d0f91f | Altai-man++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/faq.pod6 Merge pull request #2868 from briandfoy/master Fix brian's name |
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| synopsebot_ | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/faq | ||
| sena_kun | synopsebot_, help | 11:24 | |
| synopsebot_ | sena_kun, See: github.com/perl6/synopsebot | ||
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| xinming_ | sena_kun: both. | 11:50 | |
| tobs: Nope, the testing condition is just a single if $var | 11:51 | ||
| The way I debug this is, I comment half of the code, and try them one by one. But still a bit curious why sometimes, It doesn't report the right line of code. | |||
| sena_kun | m: my $var; if $var {} else { $var + 15 } | ||
| camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "+" in expression "$var + 15" in sink context (line 1) Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| sena_kun | I am not sure you need to comment out much, just printing all vars that are used as operands should be enough, if some is Any, it's the thing | 11:52 | |
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| sena_kun | as for the right line - I guess we can start from providing a small gist where the position is blatantly wrong, and then create a rakudo ticket something like "The error message should be better". | 11:53 | |
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| nadim_ | hi, is there a way to make junctions not thread? | 13:15 | |
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| lizmat | nadim: create a candidate that takes a Junction? | 13:32 | |
| or Mu | 13:33 | ||
| m: sub a(Mu $a) { dd $a }; a 1|2|3 | |||
| camelia | any(1, 2, 3) | ||
| lizmat | m: sub a(Any $a) { dd $a }; a 1|2|3 | 13:34 | |
| camelia | 1 2 3 |
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| xinming | rakudo.org/files/rakudo <--- This url returns 500 | 13:55 | |
| sena_kun | xinming, it is a known issue, rakudo star can be accessed at rakudostar.com/latest/star/ | 14:03 | |
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| sena_kun | otherwise one can use distribution packages or p6env/rakudup/rakudobrew | 14:04 | |
| see github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/9 | 14:05 | ||
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| xinming | Ok, I just report this. :-) | 14:41 | |
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| sena_kun | .seen atweiden | 15:18 | |
| yoleaux | I saw atweiden 12 May 2017 21:44Z in #perl6: <atweiden> it's not that simple, as the datetimes are part of a class, and i will need to combine the classes | ||
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| louisono | hello | 16:13 | |
| antoniogamiz | o/ | ||
| louisono | i'm starting to learn/ play with Perl6. is there somebody to answer a few questions? | 16:14 | |
| antoniogamiz | I can try :D | ||
| louisono | thank you in advance :) | ||
| i don't quite understand how the language works, is it interpreted or compiled or something else? | 16:15 | ||
| antoniogamiz | it's compiled to an intermediate bytecode | 16:16 | |
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| sena_kun | it compiled into bytecode for a VM called moarvm. moarvm supports JIT too. | 16:16 | |
| antoniogamiz | that it's used by a virtual machine | ||
| louisono | ok so when i write a bit of perl6 code and type 'perl6 myfile.p6' do i get a bytecode file of some sort? | 16:17 | |
| xinming | louisono: It just run the myfile.p6 | 16:18 | |
| louisono: internally, It's compiled into MoarVM bytecode. | |||
| for now, Only modules will be compiled cached and compiled to bytecode | 16:19 | ||
| And I do actually wish that we can distribute the bytecode of perl6 program. | 16:20 | ||
| louisono | that feature is not yet available? | ||
| Voldenet | it is available, but it is not supported | 16:21 | |
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| Voldenet | I've seen people saying that they did this, but it's not documented and it might even get thrown out | 16:22 | |
| sena_kun doesn't think it is a common usecase | 16:23 | ||
| louisono | ok, and i think i've seen somewhere that it's possible to compile perl6 code into jvm bytecode. | ||
| sena_kun | it is, though your mileage may vary, as moarvm is more actively developed compared to jvm backend | 16:24 | |
| github.com/rakudo/rakudo#configuri...on-the-jvm | 16:25 | ||
| Voldenet | overall, in perl/python/js/ruby/php land you just don't usually precompile your code | ||
| louisono | ok thank you very much for the answer I was curious about this | 16:29 | |
| if i get it right perl6 code get compiled into bytecode by rakudo and that bytecode is then run by moarVM? | 16:30 | ||
| sena_kun | technically, there is an intermediate thing called "nqp", but from the user point of view, it doesn't matter too much unless you are interested in the structure itself | 16:31 | |
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| louisono | sena_kun: i actually was wondering about nqp since it is mentionned in the page you linked | 16:33 | |
| holyghost | I will leave this message for who reads it with .seen, I have fielded an example in Game::Bayes, to let it rest there | 16:34 | |
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| holyghost | I'm on vacation for 2 months, I might join here on the channel but I may be afk most of the time. Our university is closed until september | 16:34 | |
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| sena_kun | louisono, once again, are you interested in developing compiler / compiler parts, or playing with Perl 6 itself? | 16:36 | |
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| louisono | nah i'm just playing, haha :D | 16:37 | |
| sena_kun | louisono, I'd bet on just installing a rakudo installation with moarvm and writing something more or less simple to get taste of the language. | 16:38 | |
| louisono, what os/linux distribution do you use? | 16:39 | ||
| louisono | I'm on ubuntu 16 | 16:40 | |
| sena_kun | louisono, github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg#debian-and-ubuntu <- those three commands should done the thing. :) | 16:41 | |
| though I wonder if 16 is not too old... | |||
| xenial should be supported | 16:43 | ||
| louisono | thank you i will try that | 16:44 | |
| sena_kun | louisono, after that you'd need to get a newer zef (it is current Perl 6 package manager) installation | ||
| louisono | can i get it with apt-get? | 16:45 | |
| sena_kun | louisono, gist.github.com/Altai-man/0f7dbe63...25c1f180dc <- these should be around right | ||
| or, hmm, stop... | 16:46 | ||
| I wonder if the issue I saw is fixed already | |||
| louisono, well, never mind my previous gist, please, though "/opt/rakudo-pkg/bin/add-perl6-to-path" and "/opt/rakudo-pkg/bin/install-zef-as-user" are helpful commands to do after installing rakudo-pkg, from my experience | 16:47 | ||
| louisono | ok thank you again! | 16:58 | |
| what is the difference between installing this way and following the steps described on the rakudo website? rakudo.org/files/star/source | 17:00 | ||
| sena_kun | you are welcome, as for the difference... | ||
| rakudo-pkg is a precompiled package, so it just installs and works. the page on the rakudo website describes compiling everything from sources. | 17:01 | ||
| what's more, it describes a way to compile "rakudo star", a thing that includes rakudo, zef and a bunch of pre-installed modules, so you are installing it avoiding apt-get help, while rakudo-pkg package contains rakudo and zef(with moarvm+nqp, of course) | 17:02 | ||
| and rakudo-pkg uses apt, so you can always apt-update or apt-remove, which is a bit nicer, I guess | 17:04 | ||
| louisono | ok and when I have installed rakudo with rakudo-pkg I can still get the modules that are included in rakudo star by just using zef I guess | 17:05 | |
| sena_kun | exactly. :) | 17:06 | |
| louisono | ok thank you very much for taking time to explain all this | ||
| sena_kun | feel free to ask here in case of any issues with installation, code, general questions etc | 17:07 | |
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| antoniogamiz | anyone knows what means this error message? | 17:39 | |
| Serialization Error: missing static code ref for closure 'run' (gen/moar/stage2/NQPHLL.nqp:1983) | |||
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| antoniog1miz | it's a weird error mmm | 17:47 | |
| sena_kun | antoniog1miz, with this you probably want to ask at #moarvm | 17:48 | |
| moritz | antoniog1miz: to me it looks liked a botched rakudo installation | 17:49 | |
| antoniog1miz | moritz: mmm maybe is that yep | 17:50 | |
| how could I fix it? | |||
| sena_kun: thanks too :) | |||
| moritz: even though all others perl6 programs work correctly? | 17:51 | ||
| uoh is this line | 17:52 | ||
| my $index-name-attr is default(Failure.new('missing index link')) | |||
| if I comment that it works | |||
| xinming | m: my $x; given $x { when Nil { "Any".say; }; when * { "*".say; }; default { "D".say; } } | 17:55 | |
| camelia | * | ||
| xinming | How do we match the "undefined" value? | ||
| sena_kun | m: my $x; given $x { when !*.defined { "Any".say; }; when * { "*".say; }; default { "D".say; } } | 17:56 | |
| camelia | Any | ||
| tobs | or smartmatch against Any:U | ||
| but I don't know if those two are really equivalent | 17:57 | ||
| sena_kun | they are not | ||
| tobs++, Any:U is a lot better | |||
| because my option matches Str, Int, everything. :p | |||
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| xinming | Thanks | 17:58 | |
| Any:U is best | |||
| perl6++ | 18:00 | ||
| Voldenet | that may be a foolish question, but my 2k lines "scripts" are getting a bit unwieldy - how do I split my code into multiple files? :D | 18:01 | |
| in perl5 it was easy, just move some code into .pm file, export some routines | 18:03 | ||
| in perl6 it doesn't actually seem to work like that | |||
| moritz | why not? | ||
| Voldenet | "Could not find Something at line 1" | 18:04 | |
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| moritz | oh, . is not in the search path by default | 18:05 | |
| put the module into lib, and run it with perl6 -Ilib yourscript.p6 | |||
| Voldenet | Ah, that's fairly silly, but I can just set PERL6LIB and forget about it, thanks. | 18:07 | |
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| ugexe | if you just set PERL6LIB=. then everytime you run `perl6` in any other directory you will have a .precomp folder generated | 18:10 | |
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| Voldenet | This doesn't sound good, I'd rather input "use {relative path to executed script}" in all the files where I actually want local modules used | 18:17 | |
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| Voldenet | apparently `PERL6LIB="$HOME/.perl6,."` seems to work as I want, or so I really hope I didn't break anything | 18:26 | |
| s/or so// | 18:27 | ||
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| Xliff | \o | 19:07 | |
| I am happy to report that Perl6 works just dandy in the WSL | |||
| Compiled via rakudobrew and went through just dandy. | |||
| One issue: zef seems to hang when installing particular packages. Hitting CTRL-C at the right time seems to kick it out. | 19:08 | ||
| ugexe | $HOME/.perl6 is already used automatically | 19:11 | |
| m: say $*REPO.repo-chain[0] | 19:12 | ||
| camelia | inst#/home/camelia/.perl6 | ||
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| Xliff | Where are the enhanced version numbers for perl6? | 19:15 | |
| I only get this, now: | 19:16 | ||
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| Oops. | |||
| Well... theres's my public key if anyone wants it. :P | |||
| This is Rakudo version 2019.03.1 built on MoarVM version 2019.03 | |||
| implementing Perl 6.d. | |||
| ^^ Missing commit hashes. Gone now? | |||
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| nadim_ | what's this warning? /home/nadim/nadim/devel/repositories/rakudo/install/bin/nqp-m version 2019.03-240-g8c90f6266 is outdated, 2019.03-253-g5190ce935 expected. | 20:10 | |
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| nadim_ | will a newer one be downloaded or does one have to do something amnually | 20:11 | |
| then I get this ATTENTION: Found /home/nadim/nadim/devel/repositories/rakudo/install/bin/moar version 2019.05-53-gcce71cdbf, which is too old. Wanted at least 2019.05-91-g81e5cbf2a | |||
| lizmat | nadim_: are you on HEAD? | 20:12 | |
| nadim_ | yes | ||
| lizmat | hmmm.... perhaps a "git submodule update" will work | ||
| nadim_ | just pulled and wanted to build the latest when I got those | ||
| lizmat | or else a reclone | ||
| nadim_ | ok, I'll try | 20:13 | |
| lizmat | we've had some issues in the build process... it should be ok now | ||
| but if you tried it somewhere during the time it was not optimal | |||
| it could be that there's stuff around that prevent it from working correctly | |||
| afk again& | |||
| nadim_ | git submodule update didn't remove the warning | ||
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| xinming | m: my %t; my $x := %t<x>; $x = 5; my ($a, $b) := %t<a b>.Seq; $a = 4; %t.perl.say; | 21:23 | |
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| xinming | Sorry to repeat the question, Any one here knows wether there is a way to bind the multiple value "container" for the hash? | 21:24 | |
| m: my %t; my $x := %t<x>; $x = 5; my ($a, $b) := (%t<a>, %t<b>); $a = 4; %t.perl.say; | 21:27 | ||
| camelia | Cannot assign to a readonly variable or a value in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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| xinming | This does't work either. | ||
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| Geth | ¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel assigned to rba Issue rt.perl.org is shutting down github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/49 | 21:45 | |
| ¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel assigned to maettu Issue rt.perl.org is shutting down github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/49 | |||
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| jaldhar | Hello. When doing the Perl Weekly Challenge, I caused a bug in my code where I was trying to express "$year is not a multiple of 100" but I wrote !$year % 100 instead of !($year % 100) I caught it but it got me thinking. For symmetrys sake, shouldn't there be "is not a multiple of" operator? | 23:21 | |
| It could be !% or perhaps !%. Is this a bad idea? If it is worth pursuing, who should I talk to about proposing it as an addition to the Perl6 language. It would be a fun way for me to contribute I think. | 23:22 | ||
| (And yes I know I can define my own operators. This is about making it an official feature of Perl6.) | 23:23 | ||
| err and above that should be "!% or perhaps !%". | 23:24 | ||
| dammit !% | |||
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| jaldhar | huh you can do "! % %" for some reason. | 23:25 | |
| *sigh* can't | |||
| vrurg | m: say 123 %% 100 | 23:41 | |
| camelia | False | ||
| vrurg | jaldhar: is that what you're looking for? | ||
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