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Set by Alias_ on 16 March 2006.
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audreyt so Perl 6 has the long dot to form a long tail 05:04
audreyt ponders how to implement it
Juerd audreyt: Change the \. rule to \.|\.\.\.\s+\. 05:05
audreyt: Or am I thinking in too simple terms?
It's 7am here and I'm still awake, so that'd be very much possible 05:06
audreyt ... ?
$x. .foo; 05:07
is what the spec now says
Juerd Oh, right, it was \.+
So $x... .foo and $x. .foo would work
Trailing ... is nicer at the end of a line, because a single . tends to not be visible enough
azuroth humm
Juerd $foo...
.bar()
azuroth it _can_ have comments inside them though
Juerd azuroth: Huh? That's wacky. 05:08
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azuroth it just says "generally whitespace." which I don't think is very... sane 05:08
Juerd Or do you mean normal #.*$ comments?
azuroth no, I mean $x. comment .foo();
Juerd You don't mean $foo. this is a comment .bar, I hope
What the.
audreyt I don't see "... .foo" forms anywhere in the spec.
Juerd That's wacky
$foo... # comment
.bar
would make sense 05:09
audreyt "a single dot" is what S02 now says
$x. .moose
Juerd Oh, I see the new torrent of ugly ideas in p6l now
.# foo #. is, ew.
audreyt S02 has
$foo .#(...) moose
azuroth wouldn't it be $a.## foo #.foo()?
audreyt er
$foo .#(...) .moose 05:10
Juerd I thought larry settled on \.|\.+<ws>\., but apparently not.
audreyt: That's disgusting...
Oh well, I'll worry about this after sleeping
audreyt g'nite 05:11
Juerd Just for the record: I think that when arbitrary constraints are too limiting to make something work, we should not only consider other (uglier) syntax, but consider also changing the constraints a little, and perhaps touch other parts of the language. 05:12
Khisanth a comment method?
audreyt Duly recorded.
Juerd nite 05:13
afk
(Well, morning, really :P)
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arcady it's really a quotelike noop 05:15
azuroth one thing I wonder: is it really necessary to have delimited comments?
arcady all the cool languages have them 05:16
or is the uncool ones?
azuroth maybe it's just that the examples in the synopsis make me think it's useless. I think \.\s+\. is fine, but \.\s[^\.]+\. is pretty funky. 05:18
kattana_ ..late but it would be nice if you could write that without the brackets ^\. or ^. or /. 05:45
svnbot6 r9866 | audreyt++ | * Makefile.PL: Correctly skip the .xs perl5/ modules from 05:53
r9866 | audreyt++ | "make" sequence.
r9867 | audreyt++ | * Support for multiline comments (currently only bracket as delimiters): 05:56
r9867 | audreyt++ | say .#[
r9867 | audreyt++ | this is
r9867 | audreyt++ | multiline
r9867 | audreyt++ | comment
r9867 | audreyt++ | ] "Hello";
audreyt paises parsec fo builtin support (that patch was just two lines) 05:57
now to figure out balancing delim
azuroth macro goatlike($a) is parsed/\.#<balance>/ {}; rule balance { \< <balance>* \> | \( <balance>* \) | .* } # maybe? :x 06:01
(of course w/ .* done more sensibly) 06:03
oh duh, never mind. 06:04
audreyt ...implemented 06:06
azuroth :-) 06:08
gaal heh. 06:09
audreyt gugod++ # excellent delivery of a takahashi talk
svnbot6 r9868 | audreyt++ | * Lexer: Handle arbitrarily nested comment intoduces.
audreyt > file.txt find . -name '.....' .... 06:10
never knew that redirection can be prefix
that will keep my left key from being worn out
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gaal audreyt: it also decreases wear on the characters 'c', 'a', and 't'. 07:03
gaal notices the word 'shift' was implicit in audreyt's remark and wonders if it was, uh, reduced 07:04
nothing_pasta yay! my computer is ready for pickup 07:24
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meppl guten morgen 10:06
azuroth good mutant 10:08
nothing_pasta wonders which mutants are cooler 10:20
xmen-esque or the teenage nija turtle variety
*ninja
i mean, obviously ninjas must count for something
but ninjas are so cool because they're silent and deadly and stuff
and those turtles are pretty lame as far as style goes
what with the shouting and the dumb costumes and stuff 10:21
otoh the xmen types don't even pretend to be ninjas
i personally don't like pretence, so I think i'll go with the xmen mutants 10:22
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azuroth but the turtles can /paint/ too 10:50
nothing_pasta azuroth: that's only if they secretly understand LISP with a different syntax 10:56
azuroth haha. 10:58
cognominal newyorker++ 11:10
oops 11:11
azuroth ...
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gaal nothing_pasta: also say "found: {whatever grep ... }" 11:50
gaal is reminded of @{[]} in p5
nothing_pasta gaal: ? 11:51
gaal: wrt the mail?
see, "whatever" is the worst bareword we can use for this =) 11:52
but yeah
we need something like the goatse operator
maybe *:
gaal "beh"
azuroth goatse operator...?
gaal azuroth: $count = () = m// 11:53
please do not follow up on the etymology of that
azuroth: "I want your unspecial scalar cast", or, the length of what you'd return in list context 11:54
azuroth hmm, interesting 11:55
nothing_pasta =()= is more ilke it =) 11:59
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gaal nothing_pasta: yesbutitdoesn'tmatterthatmuchdoesit? 12:13
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lichtkind hello monks please tell me how i force the int context 13:45
and wheres the difference 13:46
avar int() 13:50
gaal: I like writing it as "=()=" 13:51
closer to its etymological roots;)
lichtkind but on the op level no difference? 13:53
thx
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rindolf Hi all! 13:59
TimToady: here?
lichtkind could me please somebody answer my question ? 14:02
hi rindolf
gaal lichtkind: afaik there isn't an "int context". but there is numerical context; you force it with prefix + 14:07
rindolf: you pang? (the other day)
lichtkind gaal yes that i know but in the ram book they write also about a Numeric context , is it gone? 14:08
gaal like I said, numeric[al] context with + 14:10
?eval +"this is a number"
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gaal ?eval +"42 is the answer"
evalbot_9868 42.0
avar gaal: The pseudoop to force int is int() 14:13
lichtkind ?eval 1.1 +< 1
avar ?eval int("42 is the answer")
evalbot_9868 2
42 14:14
gaal pseudoop? that looks like a function to me
lichtkind no that was valid
is this bot on pugs?
avar yeah, very strong pugs
lichtkind cool a bit slow but very cool
avar gaal: I meant it's listed in the synopsis as the stuff to get int just like + gets num and ~ get str 14:15
lichtkind i know
gaal oh? cool, I didn't know that, thanks.
lichtkind sorry
im writing tutorial
the only thing im argue with is this context
there is nothuing about anywhere 14:16
it seems that numerix context is forced by [+-*/%]
or such
so you also know nothing special about it ? 14:17
rindolf gaal: yes 14:19
gaal: happy Passover!
gaal rindolf: uh, thanks 14:20
lichtkind ?eval 3.3 + 3 14:21
evalbot_9868 63/10
xinming ...
lichtkind strange
avar what? That's perfectly valid) 14:22
gaal lichtkind: that's a Rat (rational)
avar evalbot_9868: sprintf "%f", 3.3+3
arg
?eval sprintf "%f", 3.3+3
evalbot_9868 \"6.3"
avar ?eval: "Three point three plus three is {3.3 + 3}" 14:23
?eval "Three point three plus three is {3.3 + 3}"
evalbot_9868 Error: unexpected ":" expecting program
"Three point three plus three is 6.3"
avar why is it so horridly slow?
gaal unniced ghc on feather maybe? 14:24
gaal looks
no obvious thing that isn't nice, but there is a pugs that looks busy 14:26
ah, it's a smoke run, which explains why it isn't one long-lived pugs 14:33
Juerd I'm not very happy with the darcs on feather. It feels like a terrible waste of CPU cycles. It's niced heavily, but I can't but think it impacts performance anyway. 14:45
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Ontolog Is it done yet? 15:48
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Trojan_Horse hi to all 16:43
m totally new to perl though hav a gud programming background............... can anybody suggest me an exhaustive tutorial on perl dat starts frm scratch for a newbee like me 16:45
Gothmog_ learn.perl.org 16:48
But that's about Perl5, not Perl6. 16:49
Trojan_Horse okey 16:56
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Trojan_Horse so wat abt perl6 16:56
shamu I don't suppose anyone's on who can edit the perl6 docs? 16:59
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shamu or answer a question about them 17:00
Toaster shamu: ask anyway - i'm sure people are around, just lurking 17:08
only (@larry, $audrey, @few_others) have svn access to update the docs, afaik 17:09
(but then again, i'm just a kitchen appliance)
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svnbot6 r9872 | fglock++ | PC-Tokenizer - added 'term'; all specification is done in plain p6 rules, with hash dispatch 22:49
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jdrago I have a couple questions about perl6 if anyone has a sec 23:43
specifically about Pugs 23:44
ayrnieu ask them.
jdrago Is there some kind of roadmap available online that shows when certain features will be implemented?
I'm wondering about type-checking 23:45
and threading
and delegatiopn
I don't know Haskell but if there's anything I could do to contribute, that would be good too
shamu are those things fully designed yet? 23:46
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shamu (i.e., what the functionality and interface will be)? 23:47
jdrago the tests exist, and pugs doesn't throw errors when parsing the syntax, but it didn't seem to work on Windows
(I'm refering to delegation) 23:48
as far as threading, I don't know if threading has been worked out from a design perspective yet
shamu yeah, you got me ... I have a lot of trouble understanding the language-design-speak on the summary lists, and even have a bit of trouble making my way through the exegeses and synopses 23:49
jdrago I see here ( www.codecomments.com/archive416-200...49292.html ) that threading had not been completely worked out as of Jan 2006 23:50
I suppose I'll have to fdo some searching under the name "Dan Sugalski" +threading 23:57
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