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wolverian heh, a friend is none too happy that perl still isn't ditching the old dual type system in favour of return type mmd :) 01:18
he hates implicit flattening, because he thinks it makes people too lazy to really think about their data structures 01:24
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wolverian > 2/5 02:16
er
?eval 2/5
evalbot_9946 2/5
wolverian ?eval 2/4 + 2/3
evalbot_9946 7/6
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svnbot6 r9962 | geoffb++ | Added a new question directly to Capture.pod as per Audrey's request 03:08
geoffb That was surreal. I committed, turned around to do something else, and my computer was beeping at me with a new message addressed to me. Of course, it was just the svn bot .... 03:09
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PerlJam geoffb: I think the example is flawed. 04:38
geoffb PerlJam, fair enough.
PerlJam What's the thing called that Captures map to in a subroutine call? Is there a "Signature" object? 04:41
Captures are about arguments, what deals with parameters? 04:42
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gaal PerlJam: yes, it's called precisely that. 04:53
pmichaud hello, pj 04:54
PerlJam hey pm. I see you've been busy :) 04:55
pmichaud yes, unfortunately I took a detour today and refactored the operator precedence parser a bit 04:57
(perhaps a bit much)
otoh, the opp spec is much easier to read than the PIR code I used to have
PerlJam OPTable.pir looks *nothing* like I remember it :) 05:00
Then again, most things look nothing like I remember them. (in parrot and in pugs) 05:03
Things change quickly
gaal geoffb: I think you're on to something :) 05:07
(r9962)
PerlJam gaal: Just that the example is wrong. 05:09
gaal there may be something missing in the API, since you can't introspect optional bindings from without the function that declares them. 05:11
iow: if you write very introspective code that takes functions and Captures, you have to query both if you want to know which variables will be in scope inside the function. 05:13
which probably even makes sense, but could be a gotcha. 05:14
I don't know if the association between Captures and Signatures is fully fleshed out yet.
pmichaud perljam: the biggest place to see the change is in languages/perl6/lib/grammar_optok.pge (which defines the tokens for the operator precedence parser)
perljam: (svn up to get r12269) 05:15
PerlJam gaal: It seems to me that Signatures are templates, and Captures fill them and that's about all there is to it. 05:16
gaal: though I'm not sure if there shouldn't be an object that represents a "filled in" Signature (i.e. the combination of Signature and Capture) 05:17
(and boy Capture sure seems like a weird name!)
pmichaud perljam: so far nobody has come up with a better one, I fear
gaal PerlJam: @_ from within a function :) 05:20
I don't think it necessarily deserves a class of its own.
because it behaves like a Capture
$work & 05:22
svnbot6 r9963 | gaal++ | r10007@sike: roo | 2006-04-16 08:21:25 +0300
r9963 | gaal++ | * FAQ::Capture - trivial cosmetic reflow to keep long lines
r9963 | gaal++ | from being eaten on the web rendition.
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svnbot6 r9964 | gaal++ | r10009@sike: roo | 2006-04-16 09:13:42 +0300 06:17
r9964 | gaal++ | * FAQ::Capture - method delegation. hw !! 3
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gaal audreyt: ping 07:06
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cognominal audreyt++ # your blog is invaluable 08:04
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xinming So $x = @y does not mean $x = \@y anymore. What does it mean then? 08:39
anyone would explain this for me? I don't understand what It said in audreyt's blog... :-/ 08:40
gaal xinming: reading it together with the question preceding it may help 08:47
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meppl guten morgen 09:50
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ruz coudln't build pugs :( paste.husk.org/5518 10:54
arcady that's an odd message 11:00
have you tried a clean build and the like?
TreyHarris ?eval ~localtime 11:24
evalbot_9946 "<obj:Time::Local>"
TreyHarris that's odd. shouldn't localtime stringify into a human-readable date? 11:25
?eval +localtime
evalbot_9946 Error: cannot cast from VObject (MkObject {objType = (mkType "Time::Local"), objAttrs = <ref>, objOpaque = Nothing, objId = 52}) to Double (VNum)
ayrnieu ?eval "" ~ localtime 11:28
evalbot_9946 "<obj:Time::Local>"
gaal TreyHarris: it probably should, but the coercion hasn't been written yet. 11:31
in the mean time you can do 11:32
?eval localtime().perl
evalbot_9946 "\\Time::Local.new((\"day\" => 16), (\"hour\" => 13), (\"is_dst\" => bool::true), (\"min\" => 33), (\"month\" => 4), (\"picosec\" => 138780000000), (\"sec\" => 3), (\"tz\" => 7200), (\"tzname\" => \"CEST\"), (\"wday\" => 1), (\"yday\" => 105), (\"year\" => 2006))"
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boobs Yo ! 13:41
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pmurias hi 14:01
boobs I just want fuck bad bitches 14:18
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ruz arcady: make clean didn't help, I found this www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6....iler/1327, such a change hides (fixes?) error, but later I get another similar 15:09
gaal ruz: with the Syck stub, or another one? the patch described in that post is applied in the makefile. 15:15
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ruz gaal: Syck 15:25
ok, now I tried to compile without embedding parrot or perl5 15:26
and it compiles with Beau's patch
but when I turno embedding I get errors, I could share them if you want 15:27
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gaal ruz: please rm -rf dist/src/Data/Yaml and 'make' again 15:40
no need for clean yet
eh, though switching from embed to non-embed does generally need clean
(you can probably get away without it by very selective cleaning of dist/, if you know exactly what you're doing.) 15:41
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lichtkind hello 16:04
i found some little bugs in various docs like dev.perl.org/perl6/list-summaries/2...02-07.html
dakkar lichtkind: that's not a doc... that's a mailing list summary... 16:05
gaal and it's from ancient history :-) 16:06
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lichtkind :) 16:07
but nevertheless in svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/docs/getting_started i read that there is actually no real perl6 tutorial 16:08
dakkar lichtkind: never seen one... want to write one? 16:10
lichtkind im actually write one 16:11
am on chapter 5
thats why oim here all days :)
the downside for you is maybe that this tut is for the german perl-community.de aka de.perl.org 16:12
but i would translate it
when im done :)
if you know german its on wiki.perl-community.de/bin/view/Wis...l6Tutorial 16:13
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lichtkind but i need to lern a lot more currently its too unacurate to be semiofficial 16:15
(1,2)¥(3,5)¥(9,8) == (1,3,9,2,5,8) ? 16:19
dakkar ?eval zip(zip([1,2],[3,5]),[9,8]) 16:20
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evalbot_9964 (1, 9, 3, 8, 2, undef, 5, undef) 16:20
dakkar ?eval zip(zip([1,2],[3,5]),[9,8,7,6])
lichtkind dont can evalbot Y? 16:21
evalbot_9964 (1, 9, 3, 8, 2, 7, 5, 6)
dakkar ?eval (1,2)¥(3,4)
evalbot_9964 Error: unexpected "\\" expecting term postfix, "#", operator, postfix conditional, postfix loop, postfix iteration, ";" or end of input
dakkar IRC quoting problems, I suppose...
lichtkind ?eval (1,2)Y(3,5)Y(9,8) 16:22
evalbot_9964 (1, 3, 9, 2, 5, 8)
lichtkind yeah
dakkar ?eval zip([1,2],[3,5],[9,8])
evalbot_9964 (1, 3, 9, 2, 5, 8) 16:23
lichtkind now i understand i always thought you can place zip between like Y 16:24
gaal lichtkind: infix:<Y> ::= &zip 16:25
lichtkind thanks :)
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svnbot6 r9965 | audreyt++ | * Capture.pod: expands the examples; revamped the section on single/multi dispatch versus method/sub calls 16:31
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audreyt TimToady: pmichaud and I came up with an observation on a chunk in S02 16:55
macro quote:<qX> (*%adverbs) {...}
Note: macro adverbs are automatically evaluated at macro call
time if the adverbs are included in the parse. If the adverbs are
to affect the parsing of the quoted text of the macro, then the text must
be parsed by the body of the macro rather than by an C<is parsed> rule.
TimToady: it seems that having the macro body do the parsing is very klugy (and unspecced) 16:56
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audreyt as it must receive out of band info about parse state and return updated position as an out-of-band info in addition to the AST. 16:56
TimToady: an arguably far cleaner way is to make lexicals in the subroutine parameter svisible to the rules in the "is parsed" trait
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audreyt macro quote:<qX> (:$adv1, :$adv2) is parsed /...some rule that makes use of $adv1 and $adv2.../ { ... } 16:57
TimToady: sounds sane to you? if yes, S02 can get updated :)
gaal audreyt: did you see the method delegation question in FAQ::Capture? 16:58
it's bound to be an actual faq
dakkar how can a macro take parameters? by what rule would they be parsed? 17:03
dakkar starts looking at synopses
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audreyt gaal: yes, see the commit 17:10
svnbot6 r9966 | audreyt++ | * Capture.pod: postulate that 17:14
r9966 | audreyt++ | $arg = \($inv: $pos);
r9966 | audreyt++ | $obj.meth(*$arg)
r9966 | audreyt++ | means
r9966 | audreyt++ | $obj.meth($pos)
r9966 | audreyt++ | instead of an error.
audreyt TimToady: hopefully you are okay with that (which agrees with how scalars behave, if we treat the inv as the scalar slot in the fat typoglobby capture) :) 17:15
audreyt waves goodnight &
gaal audreyt: great, I like that semantic. night and thanks! 17:16
audreyt :D 17:18
dakkar argh... the 'quote' default parsing rule parses adverbial arguments right after the starting token? so that an eventual 'is parsed' trait on a 'quote'-type macro starts seeing characters only after the adverbs? 17:28
audreyt dakkar: well, it's just speculative at this point... one may also do 17:33
macro quote:<qX> ($adv1, $adv2, $body is parsed /.../) {...} 17:34
provided that per-parameter "is parsed" is allowed.
dakkar I'm having difficulty figuring out how the parser will manage... 17:35
audreyt but I'd like things to stay simple, and defaulting quote: to parse adverbs uniformly seems like a win
dakkar yes, definitely
audreyt as indeed per-parameter is-parsed is quite difficult.
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audreyt TimToady: last thing... would you mind if all the "invocant parameters" in multi dispatch is renamed to "tiebreaking parameters" or some other name? 17:36
especially because we allow multilevel
"multi-level tiebreaking" makes sense
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audreyt but "multi-level invocation" really doesn't, at least to me 17:36
with this change, "invocant" can go back to mean what it means in p5, namely "self-tobe" 17:37
(more details on my journal entry... bbl :)) &
Daveman :) 17:45
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pasteling "ruz" at 213.251.192.51 pasted "error with PUGS_EMBED="perl5" make" (19 lines, 1.6K) at sial.org/pbot/16763 18:26
gaal ruz: did you run 'perl Makefile.PL' with that env set? 18:28
ruz gaal 18:30
yep
full command is: 'make clean; PUGS_EMBED="perl5" perl Makefile.PL && make unoptimized' 18:31
pasteling "ruz" at 213.251.192.51 pasted "error with 'PUGS_EMBED="parrot" perl Makefile.PL && make'" (4 lines, 220B) at sial.org/pbot/16764 18:32
ruz I just paste it for those who knowns what is he doing :) cuz I don't yet 18:33
gaal does that env propagate to the second command? 18:34
better export the setting and be safe. 18:35
what shell are you using?
ruz no doesn't propagate I think
bash
gaal I'm not sure, but it could be you need it set at make time and not just make generation time. 18:36
ruz 's trying 18:37
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ruz don't help 18:44
cognominal audreyt: why editng a FAQ, editing the synopsis would not be saner? 19:11
I have not read the backlog. but the Capture entity sonds like the siva pmc, I have proposed month ago. Is this intended to modelise tree nodes like ASTs or XML nodes as well? 19:18
sorry I did not notice that the synopsus has been edited as well. 19:21
audreyt++; TimToady++
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pasteling "ruz" at 213.251.192.51 pasted "[PATCH] for compiling with embedded perl5" (19 lines, 742B) at sial.org/pbot/16766 20:25
gaal hey ruz, sorry for not responing eariler, was away. got a commit bit? 20:27
if not, /msg me your email please
or just say it here if you aren't registered on freenode and can't /msg 20:28
obra gaal: msging you his address 20:30
gaal ruz, thanks for the patch, an invitation letter is en route to your mailbox. 20:31
please commit :)
also, don't forget to add yourself to AUTHORS
and welcome aboard :)
and now if I can get up without distubing the cat asleep on my lap, I will go to sleep myself. see y'all :) 20:33
bsb 'night gaal & foo
FurnaceBoy n8 20:35
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buu Hello happy people. Anyone happen to know off hand how I can increment a perl global from the perl source? 21:16
avar use the eval routines in perlapi;) 21:23
arg, #perl6
buu =[ 21:25
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buu Arfg. Fucking perl. 21:55
pmurias sleep& 21:58
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buu Someone come debug my fucking perl. 22:27
arcady perl's not for fucking! 22:28
maybe that's why it doesn't like you
buu arcady: =[ 22:31
SvIV_set(foo,0); is segfaulting
I'm trying to understand why.
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ruz gaal: I havn't got any message from you. 23:35
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ruz ? 0 or say "woot"; 23:41
evalbot_9964: ? 0 or say "woot";
?eval 0 or say "woot"; 23:42
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evalbot_9966 OUTPUT[woot ] bool::true 23:42
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svnbot6 r9967 | fglock++ | PCR/PCP - minor fixes 23:55
r9968 | fglock++ | PG-P6 - parses the first 10 files in t/01-sanity

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