pugscode.org | sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval "m" ~ "oo" ~ "se" | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4)) Set by gaal on 19 March 2007. |
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gaal | @tell Limbic~Region Data and Typeable are two datatypes used in haskell reflection, yes; Data is the one allowing generic folds. So for example, to implement the function that looks at a block like { $^a cmp $^b } and infers the set of placeholder variables are {$^a, $^b}, you basically need to write only a function that works on variables, and the generics stuff will sift through a possibly very complex AST node and find those, applying your functi | 05:38 | |
lambdabot | Consider it noted. | ||
gaal | @tell Limbic~Region both you can get default implementations of both typeclasses from GHC, but Typeable's defaults are more likely to DTRT. | 05:39 | |
lambdabot | Consider it noted. | ||
gaal | @tell lumi regarding Hs<=>pugs val bridge, see class (Show a, Typeable a, Ord a) => Boxable at Pugs.Class:36 and various instances from there, eg instance (Show a, Typeable a, Ord a) => Boxable (Maybe a). No Data required. | 05:43 | |
lambdabot | Consider it noted. | ||
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lichtkind | moin | 09:15 | |
lambdabot | lichtkind: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. | ||
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lichtkind | audreyt: thank | 09:18 | |
i didnt found re::Engine::PGE where is it? | 09:19 | ||
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moritz | lichtkind: in the parrot repos there is a file runtime/parrort/library/PGE.pbc | 09:51 | |
lichtkind: maybe it's that | |||
lichtkind: and there is a directory compilers/pge/ | |||
lichtkind: sounds even better | |||
lichtkind | but you cant use it inside perl5? | 09:52 | |
moritz | lichtkind: it says "This is a regular expression/rules/grammar engine/parser designed to | 09:53 | |
run in Parrot" | |||
lichtkind | yeah but re::Engine is normaly a perl5 plugin | 09:54 | |
so i thopught re::engine::PGE is for the use in perl | |||
moritz: i know what pge is but when i heard yesterday of re::engine::PGE i was amazed about the possibility maybe i misunderstood something | 10:02 | ||
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ayrnieu | ?eval 'm' ~ 'oo' ~ 'se' | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4)) | 10:43 | |
evalbot_r15771 | Error: Unexpected ">" | ||
ayrnieu | Ah, that is Perl6 and then Haskell. Strange. | ||
gaal | two separate moose, folks :) | 10:44 | |
?eval 'm' ~ 'oo' ~ 'se' | |||
evalbot_r15771 | "moose" | ||
gaal | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4)) | ||
lambdabot | "42" | ||
ayrnieu | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | ||
evalbot_r15771 | "moose" | ||
gaal | yay, golf | ||
pugscode.org | sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4)) | 10:45 | ||
gaal | pugscode.org | sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4)) | ||
gaal | -- disambig | 10:45 | |
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broquaint | What's the equivalent of that Haskell code in Perl 6? | 11:27 | |
moritz | ?eval "42" | 11:28 | |
evalbot_r15771 | "42" | ||
moritz | broquaint: that's it ;) | ||
broquaint | > show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4) | 11:33 | |
lambdabot | "24" | ||
broquaint | Ah, I get it now. | 11:34 | |
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ayrnieu | so, what's the real equivalent of that Haskell code in Perl 6? | 11:42 | |
Juerd | ayrnieu: say "24"; # ;) | 11:43 | |
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ayrnieu | these non-answers bore me. | 11:44 | |
masak | ?reval reverse [*] 1..4 | 11:49 | |
ayrnieu: that's the closest I get | |||
[particle] | it's factorial | ||
masak | ?eval reverse [*] 1..4 | ||
evalbot_r15771 | "42" | ||
[particle] | 4! | ||
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moritz | but what's the reverse for? | 11:50 | |
it currently reverses only a scalar | |||
masak | moritz: string reversal | ||
moritz | masak: ok, now I get it ;) | ||
masak | both in Perl and Haskell | ||
Debolaz2 | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...udrey_Tang | ||
lambdabot | tinyurl.com/yrp267 | 11:51 | |
masak | (but for different reasons) | ||
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ayrnieu | masak - well, for the same reason, but of course the semantics differ. | 11:51 | |
masak | ayrnieu: as I understand it, in Haskell a string is a list | ||
while in Perl, reverse does one thing for scalars and another for arrays | 11:52 | ||
ayrnieu | masak - yes, that would be part of the 'semantics' that differ. The reason is still the same. | ||
masak | ayrnieu: ok, granted :) | ||
ayrnieu | but OK, I'll accept { reverse [*] 1..4 } as a nice golf of that Haskell :-) | 11:53 | |
It could be better with a take 4 $ [1..] ; how is that in perl6? In Perl5, that specifically is easy enough to simulate with a tied array. | 11:57 | ||
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gaal | broquaint: we don't have lazy lists yet, but once we do: reverse ([\*] 1 .. *)[4] | 12:06 | |
broquaint: [*] is fold, [\*] is scan | |||
(on (*)) | |||
associtivity and id are defined as traits on the operator | 12:07 | ||
?eval ([\*] 1 .. 10)[4] | 12:08 | ||
evalbot_r15771 | \120 | ||
gaal | ?eval ([\*] 1 .. 10)[3] | ||
heh. | |||
evalbot_r15771 | \24 | ||
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broquaint | Do/will fold & scan exist as functions? | 12:10 | |
gaal | fold is spelled "reduce", and exists | 12:13 | |
scan.. let me check :) | |||
ah yes | |||
scan is spelled "produce", TimToady++ | 12:14 | ||
broquaint | Groovy. | ||
gaal | ? produce &infix<+> 1..4 | ||
?eval produce &infix<+> 1..4 | |||
evalbot_r15771 | Error: Unexpected "1"expecting operator, ":" or "," | ||
gaal | ?eval produce &infix<+>, 1..4 | ||
lichtkind | but is it right that MAD will be pluffed into perl? | ||
gaal | grrr | ||
evalbot_r15771 | Error: Cannot cast into Hash: VRef <Sub:0xb7ae14b4> | ||
gaal | brb | 12:15 | |
lichtkind | i mean perl with little p | ||
moritz | ?eval produce {$^a+$^b}, 1..4 | 12:17 | |
evalbot_r15771 | (1, 3, 6, 10) | ||
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fglock | lichtkind: re::engine is in CPAN: search.cpan.org/search?query=re%3A%3Aengine | 12:18 | |
lambdabot | Title: The CPAN Search Site - search.cpan.org | ||
lichtkind | fglock: i know but i didnt found it there | ||
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gaal | ?eval produce &infix:<+>, 1..4 # that's more like it | 12:25 | |
evalbot_r15771 | (1, 3, 6, 10) | ||
fglock | lichtkind: avar said he will publish it, after re::engine::Plugin v0.02 is out | 12:27 | |
lichtkind | will it be out in may? | 12:28 | |
avar: do you have schedule for re::engine::PGE ? | 12:49 | ||
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avar | why may? | 12:56 | |
trying to finish it soonish for the last month:) | |||
I should pack what I have and do a release sometimes soon, still need api polish and docs though:) | |||
*updated docs | |||
fglock | avar: do you know there is a place in pugs for work-in-progress, at misc/pX/ | 13:00 | |
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lichtkind | avar: because the article i writing will me out in may and i want to only write about when it will be out :) | 13:00 | |
avar: what does re::endine do to perl5 ? | 13:01 | ||
err | |||
avar: what does re::engine::PGE do to perl5 ? | |||
avar | wrap Pugs::Compiler::Rule so you can do | 13:03 | |
if ("boobs" =~ /\$<x> = (b[oo|w]bs)/) { | |||
say $&->{x}; # implemented | |||
say $+{x}; # plan on it | |||
} | |||
all the re::engine:: stuff swaps out perl5 regexes for something else | |||
oh, PGE, PGE would wrap the Parrot Grammar Engine, I've only started on PCR - Pugs Compiler Rule | 13:05 | ||
sial.org/pbot/23656 - # PCR.pm so far | 13:06 | ||
lambdabot | Title: Paste #23656 from Someone at 85.197.228.236 | ||
lichtkind | avar: so ist re::engine::PCR? | 13:09 | |
i know approx what re::engine does | 13:10 | ||
i just whant to be correct in my article :) | |||
avar: s/ist/its/ | 13:13 | ||
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avar | yep | 13:14 | |
see package:) | |||
lichtkind: svn.perl.is/svnweb/index.cgi/perl.is/browse/ | 13:16 | ||
lambdabot | Title: browse: /perl.is (Rev: HEAD, via SVN::Web) | 13:17 | |
lichtkind | avar: thanks wtf is plan9 ? | 13:19 | |
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avar | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs | 13:19 | |
lambdabot | Title: Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | ||
avar | svn.perl.is/svnweb/index.cgi/perl.i...%2Ftrunk/t # best reference of what works atm | 13:23 | |
lambdabot | Title: browse: /perl.is/re-engine-Plugin/trunk/t (Rev: HEAD, via SVN::Web), tinyurl.com/2fgllp | ||
avar | all those tests pass at the moment | 13:24 | |
lichtkind | avar: so its the regexes from plan9 regex lib ? | 13:28 | |
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avar | lichtkind: yeah | 13:35 | |
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moritz | ?eval class f {has @.f; method foo {return $.f}} my $f=f.new; say $f.foo' | 13:47 | |
evalbot_r15771 | Error: Unexpected "'"expecting term postfix, operator, ":" or "," | ||
moritz | on my maschine that compiles and runs (although it should not) | 13:48 | |
?eval class f {has @.f; method foo {return $.f}} my $f=f.new; say $f.foo | |||
evalbot_r15771 | OUTPUT[] Bool::True | ||
masak | ?eval class f {has @.f; method foo {return $.f}} my $f=f.new; $f.foo | ||
evalbot_r15771 | [] | ||
moritz | it allows access to $.foo although only @.foo should be available | ||
masak | moritz: yeah, seems like a bug | 13:49 | |
moritz | masak: any idea where an appropriate testcase should be? | 13:50 | |
masak | moritz: t/oo/attributes? | ||
moritz | masak: somwhere there, probably | 13:51 | |
masak is currently making an inventory of the pugs test suite | |||
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masak | so you're kinda asking the right person :) | 13:51 | |
'though I'm by no means an expert on it | 13:52 | ||
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moritz | maybe t/oo/attributes/instance.t? | 13:59 | |
lichtkind | avar: thx | 14:00 | |
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pmurias | masak: S12: Because C<$.foo>, C<@.foo>, C<%.foo>, C<&.foo> are just shorthands of | 15:02 | |
C<self.foo> with different contexts | |||
?eval class f {has @.f; method foo {return $.f}} my $f=f.new; @f.foo | 15:03 | ||
evalbot_r15771 | Error: No such method in class Array: &foo | ||
pmurias | ?eval class f {has @.f;} my $f=f.new; $f.f | 15:04 | |
evalbot_r15771 | [] | ||
pmurias | ?eval class f {has @.f; method foo {return @.f}} my $f=f.new; @f.foo | ||
evalbot_r15771 | Error: No such method in class Array: &foo | ||
pmurias | ?eval class f {has @.f; method foo {return @.f}} my $f=f.new; $f.foo | 15:05 | |
evalbot_r15771 | [] | ||
pmurias | (1,2,3) | ||
?eval (1,2,3) | |||
evalbot_r15771 | (1, 2, 3) | ||
pmurias | ?eval sub {return 1,2,3};f() | ||
evalbot_r15771 | Error: No such subroutine: &f | ||
pmurias | ?eval sub f {return 1,2,3};f() | ||
evalbot_r15771 | (1, 2, 3) | 15:06 | |
pmurias | my @a;@a | ||
?eval my @a;@a | |||
evalbot_r15771 | [] | ||
obra | We're looking for a new perl6 summarizer. Would anyone here be interested in the fame and fortune that comes with being the person to put a public face on all the work that goes on on Perl 6 each week? | 15:31 | |
[particle] | *cough* good luck! *cough* | 15:32 | |
obra smacks particle | |||
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[particle] | has ann stopped for good? | 15:32 | |
obra | ann's finding herself without enough time to do as good a job as she feels the job deserves | 15:33 | |
She's going to hang around for a bit to help with an orderly transition. | |||
[particle] | you know, i was wondering if there was a way a wiki or obby could allow multiple folks to act as summarizer | 15:34 | |
i call it, "cooperation" | |||
obra | it'd certainly be interesting | ||
nothingmuch: want to hack on your tools more to make collaborative summarization easyier? | |||
[particle] | i was thinking about how spreading out release manager role for parrot has improved things, and thought the summarys could benefit | 15:35 | |
obra | sure | ||
it makes lots of sense | 15:36 | ||
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obra | "With enough hands, all work is shallow" | 15:36 | |
gaal | kudra++ # great job when she did have time | 15:38 | |
[particle] | indeed | ||
lichtkind | obra i would contribute but defeinitvly have the time to do it alone | ||
[particle] | i read every post, and i still find the summaries quite valuable | 15:39 | |
Alias__ | obra! | 15:40 | |
You are totally the person I need to talk to right now | |||
use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/32762 | |||
obra | Alias__: how can I help? | ||
[particle] wanted to talk to Alias__, but can't remember why | |||
Alias__ | Read that, then talk to me about commit bit | ||
lambdabot | Title: Journal of Alias (5735) | ||
obra | ok. setting up commitbit shouldn't take much work. sorry to hear about your repostorty. have you lost data? | 15:41 | |
masak | pmurias: ah, now that you mention it, yes | ||
so it's not really an error | 15:42 | ||
Alias__ | obra: Yeah :( | ||
obra: The actual CPAN code is all intact, but I'm still patching together some commercial stuff | |||
I mean, I have enough checkouts spread around they are ok, but I really don't want to lose the history | |||
obra | ok. was gonna say. I have a currentish mirror of the cpan code. | ||
...this is where having svk can be a lifesaver ;) | 15:43 | ||
Alias__ | I'm extra careful to always have 4-5 semi-current checkouts | ||
And fairly irregular proper backups | |||
Or should that be fairly regular irregular backups :) | |||
gaal | unfairly regular backups? | 15:48 | |
Alias__ | heh | 15:49 | |
Fortunately, MOST of the commercial code moved to DreamHost subversion, since for them having plain text passwords to edit doesn't hurt | 15:50 | ||
For the CPAN repo though, it demands the automated account management stuff | |||
ew | 15:54 | ||
One thing I might have lost though, is the master for my codegen system | |||
in fact, I haven't found an intact current checkout yet either | 15:55 | ||
managed to save the database thank god | |||
avar | 15:34:07 <[particle]> you know, i was wondering if there was a way a wiki or obby could allow multiple folks to act as summarizer | 16:01 | |
I belive svn should be used for this | |||
host it in the pugs repos?:) | |||
obra | avar: yes, though tools may help a lot to prevent duplicated work | ||
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avar | *nod* | 16:02 | |
obra | and we need someone to run the show | 16:04 | |
Are you interested in trying to speakhead ? | |||
"spearhead" | |||
Alias__ | I prefer the term "spadehead" | 16:10 | |
Because it means you're the one down in the shit doing something useful before anyone else realises there's actually something happening | |||
And then of course, while others are pouring the concrete, you sit back and lap up the applause :) | |||
fglock | re pugs repos: svn.pugscode.org/pugs/docs/summaries/ | 16:11 | |
lambdabot | Title: Revision 15771: /docs/summaries | ||
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tene | thorstenl.blogspot.com/2007/01/thls...cript.html | 17:26 | |
lambdabot | Title: thl: thl's irssi notification script [UPDATED], tinyurl.com/yqvbla | 17:27 | |
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gaal | @tell nothingmuch www.ultratechnology.com/meta2.html | 17:59 | |
lambdabot | Consider it noted. | ||
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pmurias | forth seems bizarre to me... | 18:15 | |
allbery_b | enh | ||
it is certainly "different", but not so much bizarre | 18:16 | ||
or do you consider postscript bizarre as well? | |||
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broquaint | I would say ColorForth qualifies as bizarre. | 18:19 | |
allbery_b googles and finds himself agreeing | 18:20 | ||
moritz | allbery_b: well, postscript is more "special" than "bizzare" ;-) | ||
broquaint | Or should I say, 2color6Forth :) | 18:25 | |
Hrm, 3color5Forth | |||
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broquaint | That's the ticket. | ||
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broquaint | Ah no, 5color3Forth it should be according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorforth | 18:26 | |
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SamB | hmm, is colorforth one of the distinguished few languages with multiple sourceplanes? | 18:27 | |
broquaint | Looks like it. | ||
I imagine it's only a small macro away in perl6 ... | 18:28 | ||
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SamB supposes the sourcefiles are probably not actually stored in multiple planes | 18:32 | ||
broquaint | Doesn't look like it, no. | ||
SamB | but that was just a PC joke anyway ;-) | 18:33 | |
broquaint watches it whistle over his head | |||
SamB | hmm. | 18:34 | |
SamB thinks it may have been an incorrect PC joke | |||
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moritz | hey, we could color-code different contexts in p6 source code | 18:37 | |
I mean just as syntax hilighting | |||
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tene | map -> $n 9$n*2, @list | 18:42 | |
TimToady | 18:45 | ||
tene | use Color; class Foo { has $5private; has $10public; has $11publicisrw; | ||
TimToady 's mind is obviously blank... | |||
but i do kinda like the context coloring idea | 18:47 | ||
especially since with p6 it turns into lazy vs eager coloring | 18:48 | ||
broquaint | If Perl 6 were a colour what colour what it be? | ||
allbery_b | octarine :) | ||
tene | broquaint: it changes based on what packages you use. | 18:49 | |
Alias__ | allbery_b, maybe bluer than that though... octamarine? :) | 18:50 | |
moritz wonders how hard it would be to teach the vim perl6 syntax file to use different background colors for different contexts | 18:51 | ||
TimToady | I'm sure gaal would say Perl 5 is tan and Perl 6 is brown. | ||
tene | Why would gaal say that? | 18:52 | |
TimToady | because brown is very møøse | ||
tene | Ahh. | 18:53 | |
[particle] | i think perl6 would be grue | ||
grue is the new bleen, you know. | 18:54 | ||
TimToady | would you rather have a cold grue or a cold bleen? | ||
broquaint | .oO( What does syntax-highlighted perl sounds like to synesthesics ... ) |
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TimToady | salty | ||
well, actually, some of 'em might think it's pretty shweet. | 18:57 | ||
synaesthesia is highly idiosyncratic... | 18:58 | ||
[particle] | perl 6: like pouring sugar on perl 5's wounds | ||
pmurias | what is/are synesthesics? | 19:01 | |
broquaint | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia | ||
lambdabot | Title: Synesthesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | ||
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pmurias | thanks | 19:05 | |
broquaint | That should've been "synesthetes", I'd forgotten the appropriate term :/ | ||
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pmurias | how does one write colorForth with a normal editor? | 19:07 | |
broquaint | I think it can only be done within color 5color3Forth1 presently. | 19:10 | |
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SamB | you could translate normalish forth, I think... | 19:11 | |
TimToady | colorspace as syntax is just about as bad as whitespace as syntax... | 19:13 | |
broquaint | Possibly a little unfair on the colour blind as well. | 19:14 | |
pmurias | and the ascii shackled | 19:17 | |
SamB | TimToady: I'd say it is worse | ||
since it (a) requires editor support and (b) is probably not easy to type | 19:18 | ||
pmurias | (c) it is more expensive to print | 19:21 | |
gaal | ~/~ given $moose { when :house<7> {...} } ~/~ | 19:22 | |
obra ponders colorForth with a colorblindness filter. We could use sigils to denote colors... | 19:23 | ||
gaal | hey, happy equinox everybody! | 19:25 | |
moritz | moose | 19:26 | |
gaal | yes | 19:27 | |
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geoffb | BTW, as I recall part of the reason for colorForth (aside from pushing yet more CPU work in the runtime -> compiler -> editor direction) is to get as much conceptually on the screen at once, when limited by Chuck's low vision. Entire enlarged screen was 16 x 16 characters or some such, and he needed to fit a maximum amount of semantics within his editor window | 19:53 | |
svnbot6 | r15772 | kudra++ | Summary complete | ||
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kolibrie | kudra++ # summary | 19:55 | |
lichtkind | kudra++ | ||
geoffb | kudra++ indeed | 19:56 | |
lichtkind | audreyt: ping | 19:58 | |
tene | kudra++ | 20:02 | |
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tene | Hi! | 21:37 | |
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