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Set by moritz_ on 28 December 2010.
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snarkyboojum phenny, tell tadzik - what is neutro designed to do if you want to install a module who's name clashes with one of the neutro commands e.g. 'list' or 'install' etc? 01:45
phenny snarkyboojum: I'll pass that on when tadzik is around.
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shortcircuit TimToady: Broadly speaking, I tend to see two camps. One thinks Perl 6 is supposed to be a drop-in replacement of Perl 5, and figures that since their distro didn't come with Perl 6 at /usr/bin/perl, then Perl 6 isn't ready. The other might be aware that they're two different languages, but (as you noted) sees it as an all-or-nothing status. 02:21
If you could recruit active maintainers for (at a guess) Debian, Fedora and Red Hat, so that up-to-date Perl 6 had in-band distribution, I bet you'd see use expand more quickly. 02:22
Heck, even an alternate repos would be good; use distro packaging tools tends to be more convenient than manual grab/build/install. 02:24
(And, no, I'm not volunteering anything more than the idea...)
flussence I keep telling myself I'll go and make a perl6 gentoo repo, but I can never motivate myself enough to start it :( 02:29
shortcircuit flussence: Do you need more people to tell you? :)
flussence I see a growing number of people in here asking for one... at least 3 or 4 02:30
shortcircuit As for binary distributions, I think Novell runs some kind of auto-builder-and-packager.
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colomon rakudo: (1...10).first(* > 20).say 03:43
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: ( no output )
colomon rakudo: (1...10).first(* > 20).WHAT.say
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«Failure()␤»
colomon rakudo: say (1...10).first(* > 20) // die "Unable to find"
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«Unable to find␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/jF5PbVw_Nw␤»
colomon rakudo: say (1...10).first(* > 5) // die "Unable to find"
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«6␤» 03:44
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cotto jnthn, ping 05:16
jnthn, unping 05:17
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[Coke] rakudo: 0.025.Rat.perl.say 06:00
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«1/40␤»
dalek ecza: 04bce2a | sorear++ | / (7 files):
[v6] Translate regex optimizer
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TimToady rakudo: 0.025.perl.say 06:19
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«1/40␤»
TimToady the .Rat is redundant
dukeleto TimToady: tell that to the Mouse 06:26
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sorear perl6: say "hi" 09:23
p6eval pugs, rakudo ca62f2, niecza v1-123-g04bce2a: OUTPUT«hi␤» 09:24
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masak morning, zebras. 09:36
moritz_ morning, zebra!
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masak really liked www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-tro...ck-holmes/ 09:37
it had the taste of HP.MoR
sorear hello masak
mathw pah you set off my highlighter again 09:38
Saluton, masak
moritz_ masak: then I have to read it later :-) 09:39
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masak bonan matenon, mathw. you need a special case for your highlighter, then. :) 09:40
mathw yes I wonder if I can teach it to ignore mst urls 09:41
sorear is considering dropping his highlight for niecza
so many people use perl6: now 09:42
masak "There is no shame in failing to convince a sizable herd of the twitterati to recover from its regularly scheduled six-month swoon of the language du jour or to consider that the hundred line lump of spaghetti Perl 4 they wrote back in 1999 has little to do with good Perl as written then, let alone today." -- chromatic++
:)
ties into what we were talking about yesterday.
I kept thinking about it, and concluded that I do the Twitter-Perl6 thing mostly to please myself. I don't imagine it'll ever have a huge effect, but it puts me in contact with people who have at least shown a moderate interest. and I like that. 09:44
and that's why I think alester's message mostly depressed me -- not because I think I'm doing anything *useful* by trying to reform trolls, but because I like it and I feel it sometimes pays off in unexpected ways. 09:47
mathw Do what you like with that, I think 09:48
You're not going around screaming at people for no reason
So carry on :)
And sometimes it does work nicely
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masak talking to Twitterpeople is a bit like Dan and Laurie taking the Owl in the middle of the night and saving a bunch of people in a burning building. doesn't have anything to do with the bad guys, doesn't move the movie forward, but it feels pretty nice. 09:50
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mathw actually it was hugely important for their character development, ultimately leading them to do what they did later :P 09:53
but it's better in the comic
So the question is, are you getting good character development out of Twitter engagement :D 09:54
masak I think so. the meetings don't lead to long-lasting friendships, but sometimes to people saying "huh! didn't know that. cool!" 09:55
(and yes, the comic is better. I figured more people had seen the movie, though.)
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dalek ecza: 5037384 | sorear++ | / (3 files):
[v6] Add dotnet backend
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sorear doesn't quite pass testsuite yet though.
mathw masak: I think it's part of what makes Twitter great, the occasional random person who comments helpfully on one's exclamations 10:06
what makes it less great is a whole load of people who put @maw in their messages but have no connection with me whatsoever
often on the end of a retweet chain where it's a truncated username 10:07
but recently more people deliberately writing @MAW as if it's a location or something people are expected to recognise
probably not realising that there might be a Twitter user...
masak mathw: my nick doesn't have that problem. maybe you should change your nick.
mathw I can't, all the ones I'd want are taken now 10:08
I wanted to change it to mathw but someone else has that
various other variants also seem to be taken
so I decided to just stick with it
it's only one or two a day usually, I just block them
jnthn morning, #perl6 10:10
mathw oh hai jnthn 10:11
masak lolitsjnthn!
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Fuad hi all 10:13
masak Fuad! \o/
Fuad masak !!
How are you bro? 10:14
masak :) fine, thanks.
and you... bro?
Fuad Im great thanks. Glad to mee you bro;) 10:15
mathw Hello
sorear our friend dd070 is still trolling #moose 10:16
snarkyboojum yay.. niecza builds on HEAD :D thanks sorear++ 10:20
dalek ecza: a8e90fd | sorear++ | v6/ (3 files):
[v6] Autoconfigure paths from ApplicationBase
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sorear niecza on perl 6 is now fully functional as a compiler... except for the bugs and lack of a build system 10:22
masak cool.
snarkyboojum sorear: what was the milestone tipping niecza over to a "fully functional" compiler? 10:37
masak snarkyboojum: sorear is talking about 'niecza on perl 6' specifically. he's rewriting parts of niecza in Perl 6. 10:39
snarkyboojum masak: cool - picked up on that over the last few days.. still have my question tho :D 10:40
guesses it has something to do with the "Add dotnet backend" commit :) 10:42
moritz_ previously niecza would compile to C# 10:43
now it uses a code generation API
(iiuc)
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sorear yes, but that's not related 10:45
I was moving the code generation API hooks from the Prl5 to the Perl 6 with that commit
the milestone tipping was auto-configuration 10:46
moritz_ ok
sorear it's now possible to run Niecza.exe from any current directory
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mathw \o/ 10:47
sorear std: q:to/FOO/;␤Hi␤ 10:48
p6eval std 625303c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Couldn't find delimiter for heredoc␤ at /tmp/DpBTQTea2e line 2 (EOF):␤------> Hi⏏<EOL>␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:01 118m␤»
sorear out
masak interesting to read how Google Chrome does releases: docs.google.com/present/view?id=dg...&pli=1 10:54
mathw perhaps we should have auto-updating Rakudo :P 10:55
mathw can already hear the screams
colomon auto-updating source code ought to be pretty easy to do.... ;) 11:02
moritz_ run('git pull') 11:03
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arnsholt Is gather-take over something that is generated from gather-take still a problem? 12:03
flussence ok 6 - nested gather works (two levels) 12:04
ok 7 - nested gather works (three levels)
works according to t/ 12:05
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arnsholt Hmm. Then it's something else I've done wrong 12:06
Cheers!
masak golf your code and your expectations. :) 12:09
arnsholt Good quote! 12:10
I loled. I really did ^_^
This is another problem with coding for a competition. I can't give the code that blows up 12:11
I have to actually reduce the test-case
masak that's a good thing.
arnsholt Yeah, it usually means I find the problem on my own =)
masak yes. 12:12
arnsholt I think you mentioned something similar when you talked about November in Oslo
masak yes.
half of the time, the problem *goes away* or is reduced to an already reported bug.
in the former case, I just vow to be better and move on. in the latter case, I usually rant a bit here on #perl6 about the bug not being fixed yet. 12:13
arnsholt Sounds like a good plan 12:16
Incidentally, my problem turned out to be a forgotten | to flatten an arglist
masak it's a good thing you have tests to catch such minor issues. 12:18
arnsholt Whatever you say ;) 12:19
I'm still a bad TDD practicioner, unfortunately =)
I usually do manual testing until I'm fairly certain the API/protocols are more or less sane and usable 12:20
masak no harm in that. 12:22
arnsholt ATM I'm just trying to make the basic game logic (for p4) work without exploding all the time =)
masak :)
arnsholt Still haven't decided how it'll communicate with the UI part of the problem 12:23
colomon :) 12:25
tadzik o/
phenny tadzik: 01:45Z <snarkyboojum> tell tadzik - what is neutro designed to do if you want to install a module who's name clashes with one of the neutro commands e.g. 'list' or 'install' etc?
colomon is currently overhauling his internal logic and tests for p4. 12:26
masak "doctor, it hurts when I do this."
tadzik snarkyboojum: it will show the list. Probably shouldn't though
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masak tadzik: in the presence of a "list" module, how would one use the "list" subcommand? 12:26
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tadzik phenny: one won't :) That's probably a misfeature atm 12:30
moritz_ tadzik talks to bots! 12:31
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takadonet morning all 12:47
colomon o/ 12:48
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dalek ecza: 3318e17 | pmurias++ | niecza:
fix executable name in ./niecza
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tadzik :< 13:14
phenny: tell masak one won't :) That's probably a misfeature atm
phenny tadzik: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
pmurias snarkyboojum: i fixed the bug you found 13:15
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arnsholt Time to figure out this protocol thing, I think 13:32
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arnsholt Is there any reason a gather-take would modify my array? 14:07
Er, never mind
This is what I get for naming one of my subs take ^_^
I'm sure naming it pick instead won't get me into any trouble later on =D 14:13
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VXZ I there some metaop or something in perl 6 to override the precedence of an operation? Like a number enclosed in some weird unicode bracket characters next to the operator, to set the precedence level of that operation to the specified number. 14:16
flussence it's probably doable by messing with the parser, but I'd just use ()s 14:17
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moritz_ VXZ: our precedence levels aren't numbered, but relative to each other 14:18
VXZ: ie you can insert precedence levels
so numbers aren't very meaningful
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VXZ moritz_: So, the metaop could just specify the precedence, relative to the current precedence? 14:20
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arnsholt I don't really see the use-case here 14:21
Why are parens inadequate?
VXZ I just think it might come in handy in places. But you're probably right. 14:23
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arnsholt Unrelated, I <3 the fact that loop control works in the dynamic scope 14:23
flussence rakudo: sub a { last; ] 14:25
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 22␤»
flussence whoops
rakudo: sub a { last; }; for 1..10 { *.say; a }
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: ( no output )
flussence rakudo: sub a { last; }; for 1..10 { $_.say; a }
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«1␤»
flussence wow, I've found myself wanting to do that in p5 several times... had to make the code look ugly more often than not 14:27
arnsholt Actually, I'm pretty sure that works in p5 as well
At least for some loops
VXZ Yeah, in p5 a bare block is a loop that only runs once. So 'last' works. 14:30
Doesn't work that way on subs, do, or some other stuff, though.
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moritz_ block can be left with leave() in Perl 6 (though NYI in rakudo, iirc) 14:39
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takadonet what is p6 version of perldoc.perl.org/functions/ord.html 15:38
moritz_ rakudo: say ord("A") 15:40
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«65␤»
moritz_ rakudo: say ords("Abc").perl
p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«(65, 98, 99)␤»
takadonet ....
moritz_ !!! 15:41
takadonet sometime i should just try it before asking
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moritz_ is amazed at how much you can do wrong in a single, one-page document 15:52
moritz_ tries to submit an abstract to a scientific conference
takadonet which conference? 15:53
PerlJam spelling, grammar, punctuation, spacing, font choice, font size, ... there are lots of knobs to twiddle. :)
moritz_ takadonet: CLEO Europe 15:54
PerlJam: and then plots...
don't forget content, title and affilitations
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moritz_ std: ql/ab/ 15:59
p6eval std 625303c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Bogus term at /tmp/fLO82RuQEt line 1 (EOF):␤------> ql/ab/⏏<EOL>␤Undeclared routines:␤ 'ab' used at line 1␤ 'ql' used at line 1␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:01 120m␤»
flussence (I'd go write that, but right now my .indent(*) test fails with bizarre output) 16:01
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jaffa4 hi 16:02
I have problem with trying out the latest perl
moritz_ which perl?
PerlJam jaffa4: If you mean Perl 5.x, then you probably want #perl or #perlhelp or something 16:03
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jaffa4 no perl6 16:03
moritz_ which perl6?
jaffa4 I get Could not load oplib `perl6_ops'
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moritz_ which perl6? 16:03
rakudo? 16:04
jaffa4 yes
december version
moritz_ did you install it, as the README says?
jaffa4 no I used parrot-32 download site
to download compiled parrot.exe and perl6.exe 16:05
and merged them in the same directory
Also, I tried to install it using msys using the source distribution but I did not get far
moritz_ sorry, I don't know anything about the windows binaries 16:07
PerlJam jaffa4: what is "parrot-32 download site"?
moritz_ you'd have to contact the one who provided the binaries
jaffa4 you must know about perl6_ops
flussence sounds like a mis-installed parrot 16:08
PerlJam or the provided perl6 doesn't know where the installed parrot lives
(i.e. it may need to live in a specific dir, but it was placed in another dir)
jnthn jaffa4: You need to install those in the default directory. 16:09
Dunno why the installer offers the option to do different.
They aren't relocatable. 16:10
jaffa4 what is the default directory?
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jnthn jaffa4: The one the installer wants to put it in 16:11
(I don't know off hand what it is.)
jaffa4 ok
you are right 16:13
the reality confirms you.
PerlJam heh 16:14
colomon is somewhat mystified at how moritz_ can have p4 solution that works on everything but 10... 16:15
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jaffa4 Has anyone tried to convert perl6 into exe? 16:21
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jaffa4 I do not understand why there is no one installer for it 16:27
parrot+rakudo
takadonet jaffa4: for which type of system? windows? linux? 16:35
jaffa4 windows.
takadonet that be a jnthn question then... 16:36
jaffa4 Is it true that pbc to exe does not convert pbc , just it embeds pbc in an exe file?
PerlJam jaffa4: something like that
jaffa4 Does it convert pbc into something else? 16:37
PerlJam no
Are you looking to write stand-alone Perl 6 apps ? 16:38
jnthn fwiw, .exe files produced by the .Net CLR do *exactly* the same thing. :)
jaffa4 maybe 16:39
jnthn jaffa4: There's probably no single installer because nobody has the time to produce/maintain it yet.
jaffa4: No not maybe I'm telling you that's how it works. :) 16:40
oh, sorry, maybe that was to PerlJam :)
jaffa4 for now, I could give you an installer
it does not take long to make one...
jnthn jaffa4: Then please, go ahead. It'd be much appreciated. :)
PerlJam jaffa4: that would be great!
jaffa4 I know innosetup 16:41
tadzik seen x3nu
aloha x3nu was last seen in #perl6 61 days 18 hours ago joining the channel.
jaffa4 if that is ok
jnthn jaffa4: Works for me.
tadzik iirc he was writing and using the window installers
jaffa4 I use one only for a while, innosetup 16:42
jnthn jaffa4: I did one for the initial Rakudo * but it wasn't scripted or anything like that...built it using Visual Studio. But an inno one is probably easier to set up and maybe even add a Makefile target for.
inno works fine for me, anyway :) 16:43
jnthn goes to the shop, bbiab
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jaffa4 ok 16:54
I have the installer
Who wants to download it?
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tadzik jaffa4: just post the url here or on the perl6-users mailing list 17:09
jaffa4 Where can I upload it ?
tadzik if someone can verify it we can maybe put it into the rakudo download page
hmm, do you have a github account? 17:10
jaffa4 yes, I think so
tadzik you can put it there then 17:12
shortcircuit flussence: Simple question...If you're motivated to create the Gentoo ebuild for Rakudo, will you be motivated to maintain it? 17:14
takadonet shortcircuit: how much work is involved to maintain it? 17:16
shortcircuit I really don't know. Never tried myself.
tadzik that'd also require caring about Parrot
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shortcircuit At a minimum, it'd be obvious things like marshaling bug reports upstream. 17:16
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shortcircuit I read flameeyes' blog, where I hear stories about other headaches that come from maintaining gentoo ebuilds, but most of that seems to stem from uncooperative upstreams. 17:17
takadonet wonder how hard to be added to ubuntu 17:19
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daxim what's the url for q{Patrick's "Cool Perl 6"} talk mentioned in <github.com/schwern/perl5i/issues#issue/144>? 17:20
tadzik my PM pal has an overlay with more-less-recent rakudos in Ubuntu
PerlJam daxim: www.pmichaud.com/2010/pres/yapcna-p...start.html 17:23
daxim thanks, PerlJam++
PerlJam daxim: I assume you're going to update the issue with that URL so that I don't have to? :) 17:25
daxim yes, I'll do it
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moritz_ colomon: you misunderstood me. 10 is the first number where I know my solution not to work 17:42
colomon: it's not necesarily the only one
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colomon moritz_: oh. 17:47
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jaffa4 daxim 17:52
not as easy as it sounds 17:53
tadzik is it possible for a subroutine to generate a Proper USAGE sub? 18:00
I'm thinking about something like pod2usage 18:01
moritz_ hm
it can export one
I guess
PerlJam Doesn't MAIN give usage information? 18:05
tadzik nah, but when you declare MAIN, USAGE gets generated 18:06
but if you want your own USAGE, you can write your own
PerlJam ah. 18:07
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tadzik hrm, is MAIN known to get lost in case of a big list of args? 18:19
oh, nvm, my bad
jnthn #phasers is int...40 mins? 18:20
moritz_ jnthn: aye 18:22
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colomon thanks for the reminder 18:23
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tadzik can't one call USAGE() from MAIN()? 18:33
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sorear good * #perl6 18:44
diakopter *
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masak ahoy, #perl6! 19:09
phenny masak: 13:14Z <tadzik> tell masak one won't :) That's probably a misfeature atm
jnthn masak: #phasers! ;)
masak ooh!
jnthn ;)
jaffa4 ok 19:10
here it is
github.com/jaffa4/Parrot-and-Perl-...udo-36.exe
get it if you can
tadzik jaffa4++ 19:11
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masak jaffa4: hi! long time no see! :) 19:12
dalek kudo: ea8c88a | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog:
update ChangeLog
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tadzik masak: stupid options handling in neutro fixed
jaffa4 hi masak!
diakopter jaffa4: hi from me also 19:14
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rindolf Hi all. 19:39
tadzik hi 19:40
takadonet rindolf: yo 19:41
rindolf What's up? 19:42
moritz_ many servers are up
tadzik the sky
HA! I've been waiting weeks to have an opportunity to say that :) 19:43
masak is up
jnthn ...tmi. :P
mkramer hey - does anyone remember where the cumulative differ lives? 19:44
oops, wrong channel
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flussence shortcircuit: hm, I dunno. It's usually very little effort to maintain once it's been written though. 19:50
sorear my $foo = "a\n b"; 19:52
say qq:to/bar/ ;
$foo
bar
er
bar
what does this print?
PerlJam you mean, what *should* it print? 19:53
masak sorear: "a\n b"?
er, "a\n b\n"
PerlJam sorear: "a\n b\n" I'd think
sorear PerlJam: well, yes, as nobody handles trimming yet
except STD-on-viv, and that doesn't really count
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flussence I should mention that PHP's heredocs discard the trailing \n, which in my experience is missing the point of heredocs. 20:04
it's easier to trim an unwanted \n (which is pretty rare) than concatenate one on the end.
dalek ecza: 4afcf98 | sorear++ | v6/ (2 files):
[v6] Fix heredoc parsing
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masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective) { $adjective.substr($adjective.chars - 1) eq "y" ?? $adjective.substr(0, $adjective.chars - 1) ~ "i" !! $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { say ", ".join: $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est" }; say compare("funny") 21:08
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«No applicable candidates found to dispatch to for 'join'. Available candidates are:␤:(Mu : Any $separator = { ... };; *%_)␤␤ in 'compare' at line 22:/tmp/13m9KS9KqS␤ in main program body at line 22:/tmp/13m9KS9KqS␤»
masak ouch. Python-think. :) 21:09
rakudo: sub y2i($adjective) { $adjective.substr($adjective.chars - 1) eq "y" ?? $adjective.substr(0, $adjective.chars - 1) ~ "i" !! $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { say join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny")
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤Bool::True␤»
masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective) { $adjective.substr($adjective.chars - 1) eq "y" ?? $adjective.substr(0, $adjective.chars - 1) ~ "i" !! $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny") 21:10
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤»
masak \o/
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tadzik oh wow 21:11
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masak I'm sure it can be written nicelier. 21:12
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masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective is copy) { s/y$/i/ given $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny") 21:18
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤»
masak much better :)
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masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective is copy) { s/y$/i/ given $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { [$_, .&y2i ~ "er", .&y2i ~ "est"].fmt("%s", ", ") given $adjective }; say compare("funny") 21:19
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤»
tadzik s/y$/i/ given $adjective – nice one
jnthn Now write me one for Russian. :P 21:20
tadzik but why not just $adjective ~~ s/y$/i/?
masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective is copy) { $adjective ~~ s/y$/i/ }; sub compare($adjective) { join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny")
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, Bool::Trueer, Bool::Trueest␤»
masak o.O
jnthn lol
masak submits rakudobug
jnthn masak: Is it bug?
tadzik :DD 21:21
masak jnthn: I declare it a bug.
jnthn rakudo: my $x = "lol"; say $x ~~ s/o/0/;
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«Bool::True␤»
masak based on tadzik's expectations, and the lack of spec.
jnthn That's...curious. :)
tadzik it certainly isn't DWIM
jnthn No
wtf. :/
rakudo: my $x = "lol"; say ($x ~~ s/o/0/).WHAT;
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«Bool()␤»
jnthn Wow 21:22
I thought it was doing something with a match object that it was getting back somehow
But...not even that.
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masak definitely something for RT. 21:22
jnthn aye
Not sure what the spec is, but the above outcome is awfulest.
masak see, kids? and I didn't even *plan* to discover a rakudobug this time!
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moritz_ p5 people want to write if $x ~~ s/foo/bar/ { ... } 21:23
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moritz_ anyway, 'night 21:23
diakopter 'nite
jnthn night, masak 21:24
masak isn't going to bed yet :)
tadzik rakudo: my $a = "foo"; if $a ~~ s/foo/bar/ { say "yas" }
p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«yas␤»
jnthn oh
tab fail :)
tadzik night moritz_ 21:25
masak I understand moritz_' explanation, but I don't like it.
tadzik anyways, won't Match object evaluate to true anyway?
and if the match fails, there will be no object, no?
jnthn Yes
colomon has just been hit with the sudden strong belief he's seen the pattern of numbers coming up in p4 somewhere before....
jnthn tadzik: a false match object 21:26
tadzik . o O (4 8 15 16 23 42)
jnthn: good too
masak tadzik: I don't want it to return the match object. I'd like it to return the resulting Str. 21:29
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masak tadzik: if it returned the match object in my case above, it'd stringify to 'y' 21:29
jnthn masak: I'm sure you know the counter case though. $x = 'x'; if $x ~~ s/x// { ... } 21:30
masak right.
jnthn It successfully substituted, but the resulting string is empty and thus false.
masak I see that.
jnthn Maybe we just gotta choose our wart. 21:31
masak and an obvious patch to that would be to do 'but True' on the Str...
...but I am reluctant to propose that.
jnthn I was gonna suggest that but then didn't because I worry about it propagating, or confusion over "the return value of it is now true but $x isn't...wtf" :)
masak right. 21:32
jnthn And because I don't really want to create a mixed-in string for every substitution.
Given that but is a clone.
masak nodnod
jnthn (yes, it'd re-use the string buffer, but still...)
masak honestly, I could live with the Str sometimes boolifying to false.
that might even come in handy once in a while.
jnthn True 21:33
masak while s/(.)$// { ... }
jnthn I can imagine use cases where that's actually nice.
Hmm. So maybe I don't really object to it returning the resulting string at all :) 21:34
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masak mberends! \o/ 21:35
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tadzik mberends: o/ 21:38
mberends: that may interest you: github.com/tadzik/Bailador/blob/master/app.pl
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szabgab mberends: ping 21:49
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mberends szabgab: pong 22:00
tadzik++: ooh! excitement! 22:02
tadzik mberends: even #dancers got a bit interested
mberends :-)
tadzik @franck | tadzik: I'm starting to write some code for http::server::simple 22:03
so mission complete :)
mberends hooray! there will be lots of LHF after the initial breakthrough.
tadzik I think so 22:04
IF it moves forward
I'd start from porting Dancer::Test
mberends yes, good plan (sorry for the pun)
tadzik oh, punny! So let's get it done() 22:05
mberends lol
ok(1)
tadzik :D
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masak "let's get it done()" clearly has a better ring to it than "let's get it done_testing()" 22:08
tadzik :)
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tadzik 'night 22:26
diakopter nite 22:27
mberends o/ 22:28
fuad mberends, hello bro! 22:29
mberends hi fuad, welcome back
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snarkyboojum phenny: tell tadzik, so in that case it might be worth moving your commands to --<command> switches? a la cpanm etc 22:55
phenny snarkyboojum: I'll pass that on when tadzik is around.
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szabgab mberends: FOSDEM? Perl 6 talk? 23:02
mberends: I would like to finish the schedule of the Perl dev room at FOSDEM and I'd like to have at least one Perl 6 talk 23:06
I also would like to go to sleep now so I leave you with the URL: www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi...011_fosdem 23:07
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mberends szabgab: if $work and $travel permits I'll be there, and am willing to talk. I think such a prominent event deserves some fresh presentation material, I could do with some input for that. 23:12
dalek p-rx/nom: fac4f86 | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files):
Pass name along to meta-object so classes know how they're called.
p-rx/nom: cbd0747 | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (3 files):
Update bootstrap with recent changes.
p-rx/nom: ab3a2a5 | jonathan++ | / (3 files):
Add a barebones NQPMu and make it the default base class for anything declared with NQPClassHOW.
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dalek p-rx/nom: 5821a4c | jonathan++ | t/nqp/28-subclass.t:
Correct a test (also previously corrected in 6model repo copy of the test suite).
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p-rx/nom: 67bb846 | jonathan++ | src/NQP/ (2 files):
Switch the class package declarator to use 6model. There are a couple of regressions out of this. One is of multis, which I don't care about since they're getting re-done Real Soon Now. The other is the :vtable trait handling, which I'll fix at some point, but is low priority. At this point, just grammars are left using P6metaclass.
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dalek p-rx/nom: d357201 | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (3 files):
Update bootstrap with class declarator using 6model, so class_6m elimination can start.
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p-rx/nom: 09ed288 | jonathan++ | src/ (7 files):
Remove usage of class_6m.
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dalek ecza: 507d055 | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
Fix codegen bug on .NET with diakopter++ help
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ecza: b891411 | sorear++ | v6/ (3 files):
[v6] Error on missing modules, add build scripts
p-rx/nom: f0b00d8 | jonathan++ | src/NQP/ (2 files):
Remove last remains of class_6m from the grammar/actions.
p-rx/nom: 013ebe2 | jonathan++ | src/metamodel/how/NQPClassHOW.pm:
Publish type cache (pretty much directly taken from 6model/common).
p-rx/nom: 80c8322 | jonathan++ | src/metamodel/how/NQPMu.pm:
A cheating NQPMu.ACCEPTS. Need multi-dispatch done to do the non-cheating version that we have in nqpclr. It's enough to reclaim a regressed test file, for now.
diakopter wow
sorear me? 23:54
diakopter just the combined sudden rush
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