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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
adu araujo: compiling? 00:03
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sergot good night! o/ 00:13
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araujo ideone.com/HSRm4 00:18
I get that trying to build latest rakudo 00:19
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adu grr 01:56
diakopter ? 01:57
adu pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uMdcumbd 01:58
same grammar
I can't get <semi> right
diakopter I don't know the intended syntax/semantics 01:59
adu for reference: golang.org/ref/spec#Semicolons
diakopter well, maybe it's a whitespace problem 02:02
the <?after don't scan through whitespace if it's a token, i don't think
adu oic
diakopter of course I very well could be wrong 02:03
adu I don't think so
there shouldn't be any whitespace between the last token on line and \n
diakopter shouldn't, but some people do
or put a comment 02:04
adu hmm
diakopter whta's the input you're trying to parse 02:06
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adu 'package main\nimport "fmt"\n' 02:07
'package main;import "fmt";' parses just fine 02:08
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adu you know what 02:21
I think I have a better solution 02:22
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sorear good * #perl6 03:03
adu good?
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araujo hello sorear o/ 03:46
sorear o/ araujo
adu o I get it now, * = morning | evening | night | day, depending on your location 03:55
benabik * is the whatever operator :-)
adu only in bash 03:56
benabik Also in perl 6.
adu I thought it was 0..inf
benabik nom: (* * *)(2,2)
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: ( no output )
benabik nom: say (* * *)(2,2)
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: OUTPUT«4␤»
adu how true that is 03:57
r: say (* + *)(2, 2)
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: OUTPUT«4␤»
[Coke] yawns 04:02
adu gives [Coke] some Coke 04:19
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sergot Hello o/ 08:17
sorear o/
n: END die "moo" 08:22
p6eval niecza v18-6-ge52d6c3: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: moo␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /tmp/3p8mRqhpNq line 1 (ANON @ 2) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1639 (List.gist @ 5) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @…
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TimToady just added rosettacode.org/wiki/Set_of_real_numbers#Perl_6 08:51
if anyone wants to do the optional final part while I sleep, feel free
oh, works with rakudo, doubt it works under niecza 08:52
dalek ecza/non-bootstrap: fcffb6e | sorear++ | / (4 files):
Steal a bit more structure from NieczaFrontendSTD
 08:53
sorear TimToady: did you see my question about <[^x]> ? 08:54
TimToady already >>todo, thanks
zzz &
sorear I think that task should be renamed Borel_algebra 08:55
sleep& 08:58
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grondilu full log (stdin+stderr) of my compilation failure: s0.barwen.ch/~grondilu/nqp-parrot-compile-error 09:20
s/stdin/stdout/
uname -a: Linux blacky 3.4-1.slh.2-aptosid-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 5 20:20:12 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux 09:22
debian/sid/aptosid pretty much up-to-dated 09:23
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dalek c: afb84de | moritz++ | lib/List.pod:
[List] sort, rotate
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moritz grondilu: have you ruled out interference by other parrot installations?
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dalek c: 47dbe4a | moritz++ | lib/List.pod:
[List] reduce
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jnthn just did a clean NQP build here and...no luck 10:04
(As in, it works...didn't manage to get the failure.)
moritz jnthn: no luck in building? or in reproducing?
grondilu moritz: I've removed all my rakudo dir and recloned it.
moritz grondilu: yes, but do you have any other parrot installation directories on your disc? 10:05
jnthn moritz: In reproducing
grondilu moritz: indeed! 10:06
jnthn tries it on another box.
grondilu I had a copy of parrot in /usr/local/bin!
a hard copy, not a symlink 10:07
should I check anything else ?
next time I'll make a symlink. Sorry for having bothered you with such a silly mistake 10:09
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jnthn ...so, did that fix the problem? 10:10
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moritz jnthn: ping 13:10
jnthn moritz: pong
moritz jnthn: I'm trying to figure out why require doesn't merge GLOBAL
jnthn: reading the code it seems it should
jnthn You're calling the module loader and passing GLOBAL? 13:11
moritz the code that is emitted for require calls ModuleLoader.load_module($name, GLOBAL) at run time
make PAST::Op.new(
:pasttype('callmethod'), :name('load_module'),
PAST::Var.new( :name('ModuleLoader'), :namespace([]), :scope('package') ),
$name_past, $*W.symbol_lookup(['GLOBAL'], $/)
);
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jnthn Yeah, that looks like it should work to me too. 13:12
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jnthn Did you try looking at GLOBAL::.keys after doing the require? 13:12
Is it untouched?
moritz the required module does appear in GLOBAL::.keys 13:14
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jnthn OK, that would seem to suggest the global merge worked out then 13:15
What access to it that you'd expect to work is failing?
moritz oh, I'm just stupid 13:16
jnthn Oh?
moritz I wrote ::OUR{...} instead of OUR::{...}
jnthn doubts that :)
Oh!
Doesn't that warn?
moritz r: say ::OUR{'Int'}
jnthn r: ::OUR{'foo'}
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: OUTPUT«Any()␤»
rakudo 9ad893: ( no output )
jnthn r: Int{'foo'} 13:17
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: ( no output )
jnthn oh...it's whence syntax...
araujo tries go building rakudo again and see if it works 13:19
moritz Q: how do you turn a 17-month old girl who has been screaming for 10 solid minutes into a happy version of the same girl? A: give her blueberries! 13:21
tadzik :)
moritz she so loves that stuff 13:22
dalek kudo/require-arglist: 1ebfd94 | moritz++ | src/core/operators.pm:
fix stupid thinkos in require import
 13:26
jnthn Blueberries are even pretty healthy too :) 13:27
moritz sadly a bit expensive 13:28
at least here
r: Any() 13:29
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: OUTPUT«No such method 'Any' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤ in <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:804␤ in <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:801␤ in any <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:796␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/hkchSzjbey:1␤␤»
moritz that's a weird error
ah
it tries to call .Any on the argument list 13:30
which is an empty Parcel
anyway, now require with arglist doesn't produce an error anymore, but puts Any into the variables from the import list :( 13:31
diakopter github for windows is neat, so far 13:33
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grondilu I thought removing /usr/local/bin/parrot would solve my compilation problem. But no, it still can't compile :( 13:34
grondilu is trying again and saves the full log 13:35
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moritz grondilu: you probably don't just have to remove the binary, but also the libraries etc. 13:36
grondilu Once everything has been downloaded, how can I run compilation offline? Configure.pl by default always try to connect to update. 13:37
moritz grondilu: you can run parrot's Configure.pl yourself 13:38
perl Configure.pl --optimize --prefix=$RAKUDO_DIR/install
and then in nqp
grondilu ok
moritz erm, and in parrot, make install 13:39
and then in nqp
perl Configure.pl --with-parrot=$RAKUDO_DIR/install/bin/parrot
make install
and then in rakudo simply 'perl Configure.pl'
grondilu and none of this is going to try to access internet, right?
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grondilu because with the --gen-nqp or --gen-parrot, it does. 13:41
moritz correct 13:42
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grondilu anyway I don't see any other lib I should remove. There is nothing perl6 related in /usr/local/lib or /usr/local/bin and my /usr/local/src/rakudo is brand new. 13:44
jnthn Grr...net connection here is up and down :/ 13:45
grondilu my last compilation attempt: s0.barwen.ch/~grondilu/nqp-parrot-compile-error 13:46
grondilu I gotta go now, low battery.
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jnthn My word...the errors get stranger and stranger... 13:46
moritz jnthn: when I have a PAST::Op.new(:pasttype<call>), can I do $past.push($thing) to add arguemnts to the call? 13:47
spacebat_ is there a binary package of the latest rakudo star somewhere
jnthn moritz: yes
moritz spacebat_: not that I'm aware of
spacebat_: but I found a fix to my compialtion problem, and by extension possibly to yours
spacebat_ damn, I clobbered my working version with the build that failed
ooh
you mentioned removing -pie
but that it raised some other problem 13:48
moritz spacebat_: try perl Configure.pl --gen-parrot=master
spacebat_ ok I will
moritz spacebat_: I've pushed the fix to parrot master, so that should get the fixed version
spacebat_ noice
do you know what package parrot depends on broke it?
I assumed it was libc but maybe gcc?
moritz icu 13:49
spacebat_ oh
moritz well
spacebat_ ok what do I know
moritz icu-config --ldflags now returns -pie -fPIE etc.
but it seems what one should call is icu-config --ldflags-libsonly
nick wellnhoefer found it 13:50
spacebat_ nick++
seems to have got past the point of failure, moritz++ 13:52
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UncleFester6 FWIW I think I am getting the same error as grondilu building the latest rakudo - gist.github.com/2905747 13:58
araujo ideone.com/HSRm4
any idea? I keep getting that error
moritz UncleFester6: do you have any other parrot installations lying around on your system? 13:59
UncleFester6 Yes but none on my path and, if they are there, they have been there for ages.
moritz hm 14:00
dalek kudo/require-arglist: 3605d62 | moritz++ | src/core/Exception.pm:
X::Import::MissingSymbols needs to inherit from Exception
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dalek kudo/require-arglist: 60a9808 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
fix codegen for call to &REQUIRE_IMPORT
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moritz ok, I know why that branch doesn't work as it should 14:30
it tries to bind to CALLER::{$symbol}
and it does so in a for-loop
and thus the CALLER refer to the caller of the block in the for-loop 14:31
*refers
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moritz jnthn: it seems that OUR:: in the setting does not see the same thing as OUR:: from user-space code 14:44
jnthn: I have a fixed version of REQUIRE_IMPORT which works when I put it into the file that does the 'require' 14:45
jnthn: but when I use the identical subroutine from the setting, it tells me it can't find the symbols to import
in fact OUR::.keys is empty when called from within the setting 14:51
r: sub f() { say CALLER::OUR::.keys }; our &foo; f
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: OUTPUT«␤»
moritz r: sub f() { say CALLER::OUR::.keys }; our class A { }; f
p6eval rakudo 9ad893: OUTPUT«A␤»
moritz tries that 14:52
dalek kudo/require-arglist: 200af35 | moritz++ | src/core/operators.pm:
fix up REQUIRE_IMPORT

now it works, except that it currently imports our-symbols and not exported symbols		 14:58
moritz tadzik: I've updated my branch of ufo to also install lib/*.pod files 15:09
tadzik: would be nice if you could change panda to do that too
(it installs them in the same place as .pm files, where p6doc can find them)
tadzik moritz: yeah, I tried that yesterday, but lacked tuits to polish it 15:12
as in: it passed my tests but didn't work with p6doc :)
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moritz I'm now checking if the star module-install.pl script copies over .pod files 15:20
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moritz it does not :( 15:24
dalek kudo/require-arglist: d96f5ee | moritz++ | src/core/operators.pm:
require now searches for exported symbols instead of our-scoped symbols
 15:26
kudo/require-arglist: fd04ae0 | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog:
update ChangeLog
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dalek ar: 36cc46c | moritz++ | skel/tools/build/module-install.pl:
make module-install.pl copy .pod files
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ar: 820a006 | moritz++ | / (2 files):
include p6doc
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adu is that part of ufo? 15:35
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moritz star is not part of ufo 15:40
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moritz adu: or which "that" are you talking of? 15:40
jnthn: require-arglist does what it should, and passes all spectests. Any objections to merging? 15:41
jnthn moritz: No
adu moritz: module-install.pl? 15:42
moritz adu: that's part of rakudo star, not ufo
dalek kudo/nom: 715efa4 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
compile-time evaluate argument lists to "require"; check for redeclarations
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rakudo/nom: 2e974ac | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
rakudo/nom: oops, $<EXPR> is an RPA
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moritz good bye dalek 15:44
jnthn fail 15:45
moritz++
Another nice thing for the next release :)
moritz 's ok, you've seen all those commits in the branch anyway
jnthn OUR:: in the setting is a bit dubious.
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moritz (except the merge commit) 15:45
jnthn I know we should not install anything in GLOBAL in the setting
moritz CALLER::OUR:: worked
jnthn Yeah, that will be fine.
Anyway, the setting's own version of GLOBAL gets ignored. 15:46
We make a fresh one when starting to compile.
Hmm...what on earth is going on with some people not being able to build current NQP :S 15:47
moritz has no idea 15:49
spacebat_: did your most recent build work?
tadzik: do you have icu installed on your debian testing machine?
tadzik moritz: I think so, yes
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felher Can nom set a default value for a hash? 16:26
hmm.. I guess is default(...) is not what i am searching for. 16:28
sorear What do you mean? 16:29
felher I want %hash{3} return "blar" instead of Any if there is no {3} in %hash
*to return 16:30
moritz it's not directly supported, but it's not too hard to write a role which can mix into your hash and which does just that
I did a similar thing recently where somebody wanted non-existing hash keys to throw an exception instead 16:31
felher moritz: ok. Thanks. I'll use a mixin :)
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hedgeward What's a good link for tracking the status of concurrency support in Rakudo? Or are the critical path blockers more in the Parrot implementation and scheduler? 16:46
moritz hedgeward: the parrot folks are currently trying to make threads work on windows 16:47
hedgeward: only then will it be included in parrot's main branch, and available to rakudo
hedgeward Thanks. 16:48
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moritz hedgeward: when rakudo gets threads, you'll be able to read about it in the release announcements, and probably on the blogs on planetsix.perl.org 16:51
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hedgeward moritz: those I already track. I'll take a look at the Parrot branches and see what's going on, and whether they are starting with the scheduler,I/O support, or user threads. 16:55
moritz hedgeward: there's also #parrot on irc.perl.org. iirc whiteknight and nine are working on the threads stuff 16:57
felher perl6: class C { has $!e1; has $!e2; method BUILD() { $!e1 = 3; $!e2 = False but anon role { method Int() { return $!e1; } }; }; }; 17:05
p6eval niecza v18-6-ge52d6c3, pugs: ( no output )
..rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Attribute $!e1 not declared in role <anon>␤at /tmp/clNJoyeuPg:1␤»
felher Hm... Is that NYI? 17:06
Hm.. would that even do what i expect it to do.... 17:08
Hm i guess that tries to access $!e1 in the anon role, not in the instance of C. I guess i have to introduce a lexical for that... 17:09
moritz yes 17:10
or you can make a parametric role
role mymixin[Int $v] { method Int() { $v } } ; $thing but mymixin[$!e2]; 17:11
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felher moritz: okay, thanks :) 17:12
moritz (there are some cases where lexicals and roles don't mix wll; the parametric role is more robust then) 17:13
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moritz pmichaud: what's the rationale behind List elements being immutable, but allowing push/pop/shift/unshift/splice? 17:57
looks to me like those should go into Array
sorear good * #perl6 17:59
moritz \o sorear 18:00
dalek c: 7578a27 | moritz++ | lib/List.pod:
[List] pairs, splice
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dalek c: 9770e19 | moritz++ | lib/List.pod:
[List] pop, push, shift, unshift
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moritz nr: say key 'a' => 1 18:17
p6eval niecza v18-6-ge52d6c3: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'key' used at line 1␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1401 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 37) ␤ at /home/…
..rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&key' called (line 1)␤»
adu nr: say (a=>1).key 18:19
p6eval rakudo 1b827c, niecza v18-6-ge52d6c3: OUTPUT«a␤»
adu nr: say (a=>1).val 18:20
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«No such method 'val' for invocant of type 'Pair'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/RjgU8zTeAE:1␤␤»
..niecza v18-6-ge52d6c3: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method val in type Pair␤ at /tmp/_XXIZZF7fW line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3917 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3918 (module-CORE @ 562) ␤ at /home/p6…
dalek c: 14571d2 | moritz++ | lib/Pair.pod:
[Pair] mostly stolen from u4x
adu nr: say (a=>1).value 18:25
p6eval rakudo 1b827c, niecza v18-6-ge52d6c3: OUTPUT«1␤»
adu that's odd I was sure it was .val
Caldrin r: 'a' !ne 'a'
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: ( no output )
Caldrin :-)
r: print "yes" if 'a' !ne 'a'
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«yes»
tadzik :) 18:26
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moritz r: module A::B { }; say OUR::<A>.HOW.keys 19:18
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«No such method 'keys' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/n7s3ZEBTBF:1␤␤»
moritz r: module A { our module B { } }; say OUR::<A>.HOW.keys 19:19
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«No such method 'keys' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ModuleHOW'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/UgL7ouYzk8:1␤␤»
moritz r: module A { our module B { } }; say OUR::<A>
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«A()␤»
moritz r: module A { our module B { } }; say OUR::<A>.HOW
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ModuleHOW'␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:6972␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/1HfM8O1nDd:1␤␤»
moritz r: module A { our module B { } }; say OUR::<A>.HOW.keys
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«No such method 'keys' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ModuleHOW'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/Gq361u4kiu:1␤␤»
moritz r: module A { our module B { } }; say OUR::<A>.WHO.keys
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«B␤»
moritz r: module A::B { }; say OUR::<A>.WHO<B>
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«A::B()␤»
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jnthn HOW...WHO... :) 19:24
geekosaur obviously we need some kind of convenience method .wat :} 19:25
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moritz we could use a convenience method for lookup up nested method names in packages 19:30
r: module A::B { }; say OUR::<A::B>
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«Any()␤»
jnthn r: module A::B { }; say OUR::('A::B') 19:32
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«A::B()␤»
moritz oh 19:35
that makes my code easier
jnthn You implemented that feature too! :P 19:36
moritz oh right :-) 19:37
there's something fishy with exporting :/ 19:38
r: module A::B { sub f is export(:bla) }; say OUR::('A::B::EXPORT::ALL').WHO.keys 19:39
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/J6vGyUdT8C:1␤»
moritz r: module A::B { sub f is export(:bla) } }; say OUR::('A::B::EXPORT::ALL').WHO.keys
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/17vA1cQcqT:1␤»
moritz r: module A::B { sub f is export(:bla) {} }; say OUR::('A::B::EXPORT::ALL').WHO.keys
p6eval rakudo 1b827c: OUTPUT«&f␤»
dalek ast: 89bcf0b | moritz++ | packages/Fancy/Utilities.pm:
add another exported sub to a test module
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moritz $ ./perl6 -I t/spec/packages -e 'require Fancy::Utilities; say OUR::("Fancy::Utilities::EXPORT::ALL").WHO.keys' 19:47
&lolgreet
shouldn't ALL the exports be in ALL? 19:48
I guess i wrote that code :/
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jnthn ALL should get all the exports, yes 19:52
I thought that bit worked already.
moritz I thought so too. 19:53
dalek kudo/nom: 3855ccb | moritz++ | src/core/ (2 files):
move Associative role from Pair to Enum

also add :D type qualifiers to the infix:<cmp>(Pair, Pair) multi		 19:54
kudo/nom: fb7d00a | moritz++ | src/core/operators.pm:
[require] improve support for multi-joined namespaces
moritz I think I found the problem 19:55
but it shows that nobody (yet) knows this stuff, and that it's severly undertested 19:57
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moritz spectesting a fix now 20:05
dalek kudo/nom: eef772d | moritz++ | src/core/traits.pm:
fix think in exporter

previously some exports would go into the wrong tag		 20:12
ast: 5ba71ba | moritz++ | S11-modules/require.t:
test require and import lists
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moritz s/think/thinko/
:/
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moritz anyway, that test now passes. 20:13
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dalek c: 6e05ed4 | moritz++ | lib/Pair.pod:
[Pair] small updates; mention Enum
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dalek rl6-bench: 0f6bc6f | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | TODO:
Add a few more TODO items
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rl6-bench: f3a1716 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
Add just enough option handling and documentation to handle --help|-h|-? and --man
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dalek rl6-bench: d9b2efb | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | / (3 files):
Get all three rc-forest-fire variants showing the same thing

  * Remove yellow "ashes" phase in Perl 5 variant
  * Switch to bright red fire in Perl 5 variant
  * Switch to tree ideograms in Perl 5 to match NQP and Perl 6
  * Switch to fire ideogram (instead of just red tree) in all variants
  * Reset color after printing every non-empty cell in Perl 5, like NQP/Perl 6		 22:06
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dalek rl6-bench: b43b2f7 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | TODO:
Remove TODONE
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dalek rl6-bench: e910fea | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | TODO:
Add lots of possible test ideas to TODO, especially regarding basic algorithms and data structures
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colomon moritz, jnthn: change in the Rakudo error on ABC: it now says 23:59
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