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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
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quester Does anyone recall if Perl6 was ever intended to have lazy strings? For example, this xor's a list with an indefinite number of copies of a key... 00:08
r: say <a b c> xx * Z~^ <0 0 0 4 4 4 8>; 00:09
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«Q R S U V W Y␤»
sorear quester: that has been intended in the past, I think
diakopter I also remember it
sorear we've also talked about a 'Cat' type which is functionally identical to Str but lazy
quester Ah, so NYI, but possibly coming in the future when there are enough tuits? 00:10
colomon jnthn++
quester r: say "abc" x * Z~^ "0004448";
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«0004448␤»
quester Oh. Thanks, sorear++, I found it in S03, "The count may not be * because Perl 6 does not support infinite strings.... [which] may someday be emulated with cat($string xx *), in which case $string x * may be a shorthand for that. 00:15
... so not yet specified. 00:16
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colomon rn: say $_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10; 01:05
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«2␤3␤5␤7␤»
colomon rn: say $_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10;
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«2␤3␤5␤7␤»
colomon rn: say $_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10; 01:06
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«2␤3␤5␤7␤»
colomon rn: say $_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10;
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«2␤3␤5␤7␤»
colomon rn: say $_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10; say $_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10; say $_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10; 01:07
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«2␤3␤5␤7␤2␤3␤5␤7␤2␤3␤5␤7␤»
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colomon I get the same results Ovid reported, where Rakudo sometimes reports 2 3 5 7 for that and sometimes 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 01:08
I've seen brokenness in is-prime on my platform before, but previously assumed it was always broken and had something to do with what C libraries I had installed (like Unicode issues sometimes do). 01:09
benabik Isn't is-prime probabilistic? ;-) 01:10
diakopter that's an interesting bug 01:11
colomon: does it happen with much larger numbers input too? 01:12
colomon I believe so.
benabik: yes, but it should fail less frequently than cosmic rays make memory bits swap on your computer. ;) 01:13
rn: say 45724385972894572891.is-prime
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«False␤»
colomon I get true locally
diakopter always?
colomon seemed like I was before, but I just restarted p6 and it was False the first 3 times and then True the fourth. 01:14
diakopter rn: while 1 { say 'OOPS' if 45724385972894572891.is-prime }
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
diakopter rn: while 1 { say 'OOPS' if 4.is-prime } 01:15
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
rjbs jnthn++ # enjoying seeing updates about jvm port 01:18
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diakopter colomon: after it starts being wrong, does %% still work? 01:20
colomon to a quick check, yes. 01:21
it seems like the pattern of failures is consistent? I just did it again with that same number, and it was three falses and then True just like before. 01:22
diakopter o_O
colomon makes me wonder if it is running out of randomness or something.
diakopter heh
self-modifying math system.. 01:23
TimToady but the algorithm used just uses the first N primes as "random" numbers, so it seems as though the table of primes is getting clobbered somehow
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TimToady also, 4 should never be prime because it does trial division by the first N primes too 01:24
colomon I'm trying to track down NQP's implementation now.
nqp_bigint_is_prime special-cases 1, which is why that always works. 01:26
TimToady I thought rakudo was using libtommath's primality tester
colomon seems like it's actually libtommath which is failing?
either that or there's something more subtle going on. 01:27
TimToady somebody's trying to cache something, and botching it?
colomon that's what I meant by more subtle. 01:28
diakopter colomon: is it always in the repl?
colomon I'm not seeing any sign of that in the code, mind you.
diakopter: no, I've gotten it running spectest as well
TimToady could GC be clobbering libtommath's prime table somehow? 01:29
diakopter colomon: are you on Windows?
I can't reproduce it here 01:30
TimToady could throw a check in libtommath that its table still has the right primes in it
colomon nope, OS X
I was wondering if I should try running REPL with valgrind turned on? if it's memory clobbering that might detect it.
when I do make t/spec/S32-num/is-prime.t tests 1 & 2 consistently fail, everything else passes. 01:31
which is kind of unlike the REPL behavior, because there it seems it's later tests which fail more consistently.
it looks like NQP has it's own copy of libtommath, so it's probably not a bad install of one on my system. 01:33
why don't I just try running under gdb? 01:34
benabik breakpoints are your friend?
Alternatively rakudo's debugger.
diakopter or both? 01:35
colomon rakudo's debugger is too high level, I think. I'm going to look at the C code.
and fail.
breakpoint didn't get hit. now trying to add a printf to the libtommath code. 01:37
though I have to say I'm not clear on how to recompile that. :\ 01:39
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quester colomon: I'm running under Linux and not seeing any failures. 01:49
diakopter: Are on on Windows, Linux, or other?
diakopter win8
64
quester Oh, right, my Linux is 64 bit too (Fedora 17, kernel 3.7.6). 01:50
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census yay windows! :) 01:54
colomon valgrind generates a gazillion errors, but it looks like they are mostly garbage collection things. 02:00
quester Good night, #perl6. Good hunting, colomon++ 02:03
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I tried adding nok 45724385972894572891.is-prime, "45724385972894572891 is not prime"; four times to is-prime.t. If I put it as tests 3-6, it works. If I put it first in the file (tests 1-4) it fails every time. 02:17
Guess that suggests the error depends on more than just calls to is-prime. 02:18
Judging by errors in valgrind, there is a bunch of GC before the first (correct) result in the REPL, then nothing for the next two (correct) results, then another burst of GC before the first wrong answer. 02:28
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[Coke] r: my $a = /a/; say $a; 03:07
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«␤»
[Coke] anyway to get something like "a" back out of that?
r: my $a = /a/; say $a.^methods; 03:08
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'Sub'␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:5131␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:7601␤ in block at /tmp/IvHmXFebun:1␤␤»
dalek ast: 658c88c | (Solomon Foster)++ | S32-num/is-prime.t:
Add a lot of tests for 45724385972894572891.is-prime, because it
colomon yeah, Linux seems to work fine for me. 03:13
[Coke] r: my $a="a"; my $b = eval "/$a/"; say $b ~~ "whoa"; 03:21
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«False␤»
colomon is out of ideas.
colomon is out of whisky 03:23
(in the glass, plenty in the cupboard)
labster Which is worse?
benabik Are those related?
geekosaur puts on "Whisky In The Jar"
labster how can I test if something is a basic type, like Array or Bool? 03:24
colomon is afraid he is going to have to learn "Whisky in the Jar" for St. Patrick's Day 03:25
labster old code has ~~ Any, which matches just about anything.
colomon what do you mean by "basic type"? 03:26
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colomon you might get by with ~~ Cool 03:27
but even then, it's certainly possible for a user-created class to be Cool, they just aren't by default
or possibly better question (trying to think like TimToady), why do you want to know if something is a "basic type"? 03:28
labster Okay, the code I'm looking at wants to take strings as parameters, but if it's something like Array or Hash, use that class to create a new object.
colomon to create a new string or some other sort of object?
labster it's Text::CSV, so yeah, basically. 03:29
colomon one sec, want to check on my son. 03:30
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colomon seems like you would want a case for each type you want to represent specially, and let everything else just use .Str or .perl or something? 03:32
labster maybe I'll just check !~~ Str instead. 03:33
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labster This is masak's code, but I think the general idea is parse($data, output => MyArray) is as valid as the built-in option parse($data, output => 'hashes') 03:34
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labster I'll probably go with the string comparison option because Str.new is going to choke on having a list of hash arguments anyway. 03:38
[Coke] ok, github.com/coke/p6-lingua-en-syllable is now usable. 03:39
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[Coke] This is a cleaned up version of the one I used in the p6cc (also bugfixes) 03:40
colomon [Coke]++ 03:42
labster nice work 03:45
.oO ( would a Japanese syllable counter just be $kana.chars? ) 03:46
[Coke] mmheheh. 03:49
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colomon $syl -= @SubSyl.grep( $word ~~ * ); 03:53
my $syl = @AddSyl.grep($word ~~ *) - @SubSyl.grep( $word ~~ * );
[Coke] yah, it was a very simplistic translation of the p5 code. 03:56
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[Coke] colomon: that matches every regex. 04:00
colomon [Coke]: yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to do it correctly now. :)
actually cloned your repo and started hacking.
[Coke] mmhehehe. 04:01
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colomon okay, interesting 04:07
@AddSyl.grep(-> $re { $word ~~ $re }) works great
@AddSyl.grep({ $word ~~ $_ }) does not work, nor does $word ~~ * 04:08
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[Coke] ok. updated to: 04:10
my $syl = @AddSyl.grep(-> $re {$word ~~ $re}) - 04:11
@SubSyl.grep(-> $re {$word ~~ $re});
colomon This code needs more tests! 04:12
[Coke] ... Hey, the p5 version only tested "hoopty" 04:13
colomon gist.github.com/colomon/4970109 is what I ended up with
[Coke] (I'll let you make a pull request if you like, including the grep addition.) 04:14
I'll apply it, but only if you can combine the first 3 lines into a chained method call!
colomon new version: gist.github.com/colomon/4970109 04:26
if you haven't changed it on your own by morning, I might remember to make a pull request. right now I'm going to bed. :) 04:29
swarley You know, the day that i get the audio shield for my arduino is of course the day that their website goes down 04:37
Looks like no documentation for me
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dalek ecs: a3b902f | larry++ | S32-setting-library/Containers.pod:
don't really need a .powerset method

also, allow a too-bit range to stop at size of the container		 04:39
TimToady s/too-bit/too-big/, gah
swarley Cross your fingers and hope the word nazis of the internet don't find you 04:40
[Coke] colomon++ #updated
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labster phenny: tell masak I sent a pull request for Text::CSV to fix support for output to arbitrary type objects. 12 more tests now pass (mainly because t/04-output.t died in the middle), but output=>'hashes' is still broken. 05:41
phenny labster: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
dalek ecs: 6fa36ad | larry++ | S32-setting-library/Containers.pod:
nah, just default it to the powerset

Upon mature consideration, the powerset is the best default, if for no other reason than it will force some people to consider the degenerate case of 0 elements.		 05:53
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dalek p/target-pbc: 97fd401 | moritz++ | src/QAST/ (3 files):
[QAST dumper] include a bit more info
 06:17
p/target-pbc: b1258d7 | jnthn++ | tools/ (2 files):
Revert "Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/spacey'"

This reverts commit 1db6167740f7306a0e3acf04ccb15dfcc27c3dcb, reversing changes made to c9bc4a25ba2ca57e3642dbe870da31fd1b661322.
p/target-pbc: 0514fec | jnthn++ | src/NQP/ (2 files):
Remove a now-unused option.
p/target-pbc: 1e0a374 | jnthn++ | src/NQP/Actions.pm:
Remove a redundant load.
p/target-pbc: c6832d5 | jnthn++ | src/NQP/Actions.pm:
Add a way to specify a custom regex lib.

Useful for nqp-jvm while it only has the runtime part of it.
p/target-pbc: b19dbc1 | (Gerhard R)++ | / (7 files):
Merge branch 'master' into target-pbc
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moritz \o 07:48
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p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«Str|1␤»
..niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«str|1[2D49A800]␤»
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dalek kudo/optimizer-void-context: a5a3718 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Optimizer.pm:
steal match widening from rakudo-debugger

now "23 + 4" in sink context reports the whole expression, not just the operator		 08:02
moritz all spectest pass on this branch 08:38
jnthn: want do a code review of the optimizer-void-context branch? any objections to merging? 08:39
and: other ideas what do with the void context analysis? 08:40
maybe warning about variables in sink context 08:41
nwc10 moritz: is there any sort of benchmark that demonstrates where it gains? 08:44
nwc10 isn't competant to review it
moritz nwc10: no. The stuff so far is about the warnings, not about optimizations 08:46
nwc10 aha 08:47
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moritz (some of the patches involve adding source (file, line) info to some nodes, so we might even use a bit more memory than before) 08:52
apt-get upgrade gives me a new perl 5 version. I'm scared. 08:53
jnthn: and I'm increasingly wishing for $!dba attribute or so in QAST::Node, because variables can compile to QAST::Vars and calls and all that stuff 09:00
and literals to QAST::Want 09:01
or should I reuse the existing hash component?
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nwc10 blocks on /dev/pun, and doesn't seen to have a /dev/upun 09:15
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not_gerd o/ 09:17
moritz TODO: write a tool that derives many cheap puns from a sngle pun idea :-)
nwc10 moritz: is my search on your IRC logger making it very busy? 09:20
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moritz nwc10: should just keep one core busy 09:21
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moritz and maybe a bit disc IO 09:22
not_gerd could someone check if nqp/examples/load_bytecode.nqp is supposed to work right now?
FROGGS_ ./nqp examples/load_bytecode.nqp 09:23
Error while compiling block : ResizableStringArray: Can't shift from an empty array!
moritz though it's on my TODO to put the data into a proper search index
FROGGS_ not_gerd^^
not_gerd FROGGS_: thanks, so not my fault
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dalek p-jvm-prep: aba0d5c | (Paweł Murias)++ | t/ (2 files):
In qast_trig.t compare to a given epsilon as we get slightly different results for different implementations of trigonometric functions.

Add qast_output_is_approx to t/helper.t we use for that.		 09:47
kudo-js: 8259a46 | (Paweł Murias)++ | / (5 files):
Implement nqp::sleep (using node module sleep) and nqp::exit.
 09:55
kudo-js: e650024 | (Paweł Murias)++ | / (4 files):
Pass t/qast_trig.t from nqp-jvm.
pmurias one qast_*.t test remaining ;) 09:56
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FROGGS_ nr: my @var = <a b c>; say "a0" ~~ /@var[0]/ 10:09
p6eval niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ Apparent subscript will be treated as regex at /tmp/hAPNnXGPBS line 1:␤------> my @var = <a b c>; say "a0" ~~ /@var⏏[0]/␤␤｢a0｣␤␤»
..rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ Apparent subscript will be treated as regex␤ at /tmp/0RbZGE0pw0:1␤ ------> my @var = <a b c>; say "a0" ~~ /@var⏏[0]/␤#<failed match>␤»
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tadzik hello hello 10:24
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muixirt good morning 10:28
FROGGS morning
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muixirt minor complaint: nqp/docs/bootstrapping.pod talks about nqp-rx and is probably outdated, and in general the different text formats there (pod, markdown, plain text) 10:31
dalek p/target-pbc: 7cd9056 | (Gerhard R)++ | src/HLL/Compiler.pm:
integrate PBC generation more naturally into HLL::Compiler
 10:34
FROGGS muixirt: can you supply a patch? 10:35
muixirt FROGGS: I leave that to the experts ;-) 10:38
FROGGS meh :o)
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dvj rakudo: class a { has @.b; }; $c = a.new; $c.b = qw{hello world}; 10:50
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Variable '$c' is not declared␤at /tmp/gzFGrYfptG:1␤------> class a { has @.b; }; $c⏏ = a.new; $c.b = qw{hello world};␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤»
dvj rakudo: class a { has @.b; }; my $c = a.new; $c.b = qw{hello world};
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: ( no output )
FROGGS that NFA stuff is not a LHF, right? ó.ò 10:52
rakudo: class a { has @.b; }; my $c = a.new; $c.b = qw{hello world}; say $c.b 10:53
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«hello world␤»
moritz FROGGS: what NFA stuff? 10:58
FROGGS arrays in regexes
dvj rakudo: class a { has $.b; }; sub c (:$d = False) { a.new.b = $d }; c(); 11:00
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to a readonly variable or a value␤ in sub c at /tmp/1iZbpwWujP:1␤ in block at /tmp/1iZbpwWujP:1␤␤»
dvj why am I getting that error?
moritz FROGGS: might not be
FROGGS moritz: jnthn told me that it should be
moritz FROGGS: he knows better than me, I think
FROGGS /@a/ should be /| @a/ by default 11:01
moritz dvj: because you can't write to an accessor of an attribute, unless you mark it as 'is rw'
FROGGS and you can switch to sequential matching by doing / || @a /
that's what my local changes are doing right now
moritz (note that list assignment is a different beast, which is why you don't get an error with @ sigils)
dvj moritz: ok, thanks! 11:02
moritz dvj: the attribute itself (ie not the accessor) is known inside the class as $!b
not_gerd if anyone is bored, try fixing `make test` on github.com/gerdr/rakudo/tree/target-pbc using github.com/perl6/nqp/tree/target-pbc
jnthn moritz: I will take a look over it soon 11:03
(the optimizer branch)
nwc10 good pm, jnthn
FROGGS
.oO( an optimistic branch? )
 11:04
jnthn o/ nwc10
not_gerd jnthn: nqp --target=pbc does work for simple stuff, but I couldn't get Rakudo to build yet replacing the two step process (nqp/parrot) with a single one 11:05
jnthn: also, my patched Rakudo fails some tests :( 11:06
moritz I thought it didn't even build? 11:09
not_gerd moritz: it builds as long as and don't use nqp --target=pbc
the branch makes 2 changes, really: use whiteknight's PackfileView instead of EvalPMCs and add a new frontend target 11:10
you can build Rakudo using the former (with failing tests) but not yet the latter 11:11
jnthn moritz: ah, it wasn't actually that big a diff between nom and the branch. Just read thorugh it. Didn't spot anything that gave me concern. 11:12
moritz: Does it catch this case:
my $x = 1, 2, 3;
jnthn didn't see anything to suggest it does 11:13
not_gerd: Maybe try taking a file that won't work with --target=pbc and stripping stuff out of it until it works. May give some hints. 11:20
not_gerd jnthn: wild guess is that it might be related to library loading, but the simple example from nqp/examples actually failes on standard NQP as well ;) 11:23
dvj rakudo: my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; $a = '2' eq any @b; 11:24
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«Type check failed in assignment to '$a'; expected 'Bool' but got 'Bool'␤ in block at src/gen/CORE.setting:2166␤ in sub AUTOTHREAD at src/gen/CORE.setting:2158␤ in block at /tmp/sJX_9t5mxj:1␤␤»
dvj expected bool, got bool?
FROGGS rakudo: my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; say '2' eq any @b; 11:25
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«any(False, True, False)␤»
jnthn It should indeed fail. I think the error reporting is busted.
FROGGS rakudo: my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; say ('2' eq any @b).WHAT; 11:26
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«Junction()␤»
dvj I thought that was a correct way of checking if an element is in a list 11:27
FROGGS rakudo: my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; $a = ('2' eq any @b).Bool;
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: ( no output )
jnthn dvj: It is, but the result is not a Bool
dvj is any similar to variant one would use in C++?
jnthn It's makes a type called a Junction 11:29
Any operation that you do against a Junction automatically distributes, so '2' eq $some_junction produces a Junction of booleans. Put that in a boolean context and it collapses to a single true/false value. Of course, optimization may make the collapse instant when it knows there is a boolean context in place 11:31
dvj interesting :)
pmurias jnthn: how do junctions fit into QAST/sixmodel? 11:33
moritz pmurias: they are handled at the Perl 6 / CORE level
ie there's a separate type Junction, which is handled like any other by QAST 11:34
pmurias multis do the autothreading?
jnthn It's a multi-dispatch failover, yes
And in the single dispatch case, a binding failover.
pmurias and when calling a method? 11:35
jnthn That's single dispatch :)
Oh, you mean calling a method on a junction?
iirc, that's handled by the fallback mechanism.
All 3 of these code paths lead to the same place, though.
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jnthn r: my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; try { $a = ('2' eq any @b).^name; }; say $!.perl 11:37
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«X::TypeCheck::Assignment.new(symbol => "\$a", operation => "assignment", got => "Junction", expected => Bool)␤»
jnthn oh, fail 11:38
r: my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; try { $a = ('2' eq any @b); }; say $!.perl
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«X::TypeCheck::Assignment.new(symbol => "\$a", operation => "assignment", got => Bool::False, expected => Bool)␤»
jnthn Hm, so it's wrong before we even get the exception object constructed.
moritz huh, what's wrong?
assignment isn't coercion 11:39
you need to coerce yourself
FROGGS well, the exception object doesnt do much magic, right?
moritz r: my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; $a = so '2' eq any @b; say $a
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«True␤»
jnthn moritz: The error message
moritz: It should say got => Junction or so 11:40
moritz oh, it did so in the first one
but not in the second
right
jnthn yes, because I tried to assign .^name which is a Str :)
Well, the got seems to be the value
oh, I found it...
%c_ex<X::TypeCheck::Assignment> := sub ($symbol, $got, $expected) 11:41
moritz well yes
jnthn That'll auto-thread :)
moritz that needs a Mu or Two
jnthn aye :)
moritz guilty as charged
jnthn Any reason it is a sub, not just a pointy?
oh, the trait
jnthn adds Mu and builds 11:42
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FROGGS bad dukeleto! 11:42
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jnthn > my Bool $a; my @b = <1 2 3>; $a = '2' eq any @b; 11:45
Type check failed in assignment to '$a'; expected 'Bool' but got 'Junction'
\o/
moritz \o/
FROGGS
.oO( it should automatically open a ticket if $expected and $got are equal... )
 11:47
moritz FROGGS: not at all
not_gerd FROGGS: you're thinking too small: it should fix the bug and send a pull request!
FROGGS :o)
moritz: why?
maybe it should check for open tickets first *g*
moritz r: class A { }; my A $x = do { my class A { }; A.new } 11:48
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«Type check failed in assignment to '$x'; expected 'A' but got 'A'␤ in block at /tmp/BhzbwVxDIO:1␤␤»
moritz that's correct
FROGGS it is, yes
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FROGGS then it should check if the types are the identical 11:48
not just their name
not_gerd broke bootstrapping 11:49
how did Münchhausen do that again?
masak afternoon, #perl6 11:51
phenny masak: 05:41Z <labster> tell masak I sent a pull request for Text::CSV to fix support for output to arbitrary type objects. 12 more tests now pass (mainly because t/04-output.t died in the middle), but output=>'hashes' is still broken.
FROGGS hi masak 11:52
masak phenny: tell labster can I deny that pull request? '$output eqv Any' looks unidiomatic to me -- shouldn't it ve '$output === Any'? same with '$output.not' -- shouldn't it be '!$output'? beyond that, it looks fine. 11:55
phenny masak: I'll pass that on when labster is around.
jnthn
.oO( working > idiomatic... )
 11:56
masak yes, which is why I didn't *close* the pull request.
jnthn r: say Any !~~ / 'RT #67234' / 12:00
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context in any at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:99␤␤True␤»
masak fwiw, I cannot reproduce Ovid's rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=116777 ;) 12:13
phenny: tell labster nvm, I pulled and fixed those myself. :) keep up the good work! 12:21
phenny masak: I'll pass that on when labster is around.
jnthn masak++ 12:23
colomon masak: what platform are you using? 12:25
colomon has no trouble reproducing Ovid's bug on his OS X Rakudo build, as documented at length in the #perl6 backlog. 12:26
arnsholt Weirdness. I mean, yes we're using a probabilistic primality test, but it shouldn't be -that- weird 12:27
masak TimToady++ # making .combinations default to the power set
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masak colomon: I'm on a Debian 64-bit VM inside a Windows 7 host. 12:28
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masak my hardware is some Intel thing from HP. 12:28
colomon I don't know what Ovid is using, but every Linux box we tested last night worked fine. 12:29
the other possibility is it depends on what version of libtommath you're calling. does NPQ always use the one included with it? 12:30
not_gerd oO( Ovid uses a quantum computer ) 12:31
jnthn Yes, should do.
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arnsholt I can try to reproduce on my Mac later tonight 12:34
masak not_gerd: Münchhausen never really documented his bootstrapping method. likely his technique was very ad-hoc. 12:39
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dalek p/target-pbc: 6fc76a3 | (Gerhard R)++ | src/stage0/ (9 files):
rebootstrap so we can build on parrot branch eval_pmc
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FROGGS nr: say "aabbbcccc" ~~ / [a|cccc|aab] / # it will never match "cccc" because it already stared matching from "a", right? 13:14
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«｢aab｣␤␤»
FROGGS and that is how it is meant to be? 13:15
moritz yes 13:16
FROGGS k, thanks
moritz left-most match principle applies even before LTM
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FROGGS nqp: my @a := <a cccc aab>; say("aabbbcccc" ~~ / @a /) 13:22
p6eval nqp: OUTPUT«aab␤»
FROGGS then thats already enough?
moritz yes
FROGGS then I just need to implement the ||@a switch
cool
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moritz r: my @a = <a aab>; say 'aabb' ~~ / @a / 13:31
p6eval rakudo 932bc5: OUTPUT«#<failed match>␤»
FROGGS didnt push yet 13:34
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masak whoa. 114 comments. www.reddit.com/r/programming/commen...d_as_perl/ 14:11
does anyone know whether this is true? it's nothing I've heard before. www.reddit.com/r/programming/commen...rl/c8glc7f 14:15
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masak I remember there being some weirdness in the selection of talks, which inadvertently affected Perl 6 talks. but I don't think it was a deliberate *policy*. 14:16
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masak (also, how come even when reddit threads generate a lot of discussion on Perl 6, they are never actually about the thing the blog post was about?) 14:19
ElDiabolo Is there a standard way to create a perl6 module skeleton yet ?
Hi masak
jnthn A tool, or a guide for how to do it? wiki.perl6.org/Create%20and%20Distr...%20Modules provides the latter.
ElDiabolo jnthn, A tool would be preferable, but that will do, too. 14:20
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curtispoe Hi all. I'm digging into the red-black tree code in Perl 6 and trying to figure out the correct way of describing 'my $tree = Any'. Is that saying we're assigning the Any class to the $tree scalar? 14:22
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jnthn "class object" isn't quite accurate; Any is a type object, which represents the type Any. It has the same type as an instance of Any; the the closest thing to class object is the meta-object, which is what holds information about methods and so forth. 14:25
curtispoe Cheers for that. 14:26
jnthn Another way of thinking about it is that it's a typed undef.
curtispoe Also, can anyone else replicate this bug? It always happens to me after the *third* time I ask for primes: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=116777
masak ElDiabolo: hi. thanks for the email. I'll reply to it shortly.
jnthn Some people could reproduce the bug, other people couldn't. I'm not sure we've managed to spot a pattern yet... 14:27
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curtispoe And I want to apologize to any Perl 6 hackers who feel like I dumped on them when I started the Perl 7 firestorm. That was very poorly thought out on my part :( 14:27
masak curtispoe: think of 'Any' as the new 'undef'. every class has its own type object, which stands in as 'the undefined value' for that type.
curtispoe: there's a fair bit of backlog about your bug report, fwiw. 14:28
curtispoe: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2013-02-17
jnthn I did it 20 times in the repl and can't reproduce here...maybe I can find myself an environment where I can do so. 14:29
masak curtispoe: re Perl 7, I was surprised to see the initial blog post, because it's so evidently a crap idea from my perspective. but I like where it's currently heading with mst++'s "Pumpkin Perl" proposal.
curtispoe Yes, I was totally brain-dead in my initial discussion and I regret it, but I'm happy to see that there might be a positive takeaway for the issue. 14:30
I'm currently writing up a post about Perl 6 and explaining the red-black tree implementation to try to put something positive about Perl 6 out there. I really like what I'm seeing. 14:31
masak my takeaway from FOSDEM is that people really liked what they were seeing. 14:33
it's nice sometimes to be reminded of the significant improvement to Perl 5 that Perl 6 represents. it's easy to forget if all you see is Perl 6 all day. :)
curtispoe jnthn: I love seeing your work on the JVM recently. Are you willing to speculate on a timeframe for a full(ish) port of Rakudo? 14:34
e.g., when can people start reliably using it?
masak in some sense, it's rather useless to post historical retrospectives on reddit, because all they do is parrot the common outsider beliefs about the unviability of Perl and/or Perl 6. 14:35
moritz masak: I disagree. There are usually many people who read the article, even if they don't comment 14:36
masak hm, that is true.
moritz often you see perl posts with positive reputation but lots of troll comments
curtispoe masak: agreed about the improvement that Perl 6 represents. If we can get the performance up there and include concurrency, it could really be a game-change. I don't think any major dynamic language has a working concurrency model.
moritz and the positive reputation is proof that more people liked it than not
masak wow, it got 140 points. \o/ 14:37
moritz++ # seeing silver linings
curtispoe perl6: say "testing"
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«testing␤»
curtispoe perl6: say ($_ if $_.is-prime for 1..5).join(',');say ($_ if $_.is-prime for 1..5).join(',');say ($_ if $_.is-prime for 1..5).join(',');say ($_ if $_.is-prime for 1..5).join(',');
p6eval rakudo 932bc5, niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«2,3,5␤2,3,5␤2,3,5␤2,3,5␤»
curtispoe Ok, on my box that repeats 2,3,4,5 on four lines. 14:39
jnthn curtispoe: I think NQP will reach the point of being able to cross-compile itself to the JVM within a month from now. It's quite hard for me to give a good prediction on Rakudo. My goal is that it's in a good state ahead of the summer conference season.
curtispoe jnthn: thanks. Can I post that to my blog?
jnthn Well, the channel is logged, so I guess I already just said it publicly :P
masak curtispoe: today's backlog also concludes that the bug is platform-related.
jnthn masak: Oh, did we nail down any specifics?
curtispoe: Anyway, so long as it's clear it's an estimate... Also it's not just "port Rakudo", it's "make sure the ecosystem can cope" 14:40
masak jnthn: no. arnsholt said he'll try on a Mac. 14:41
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jnthn masak: OK. I didn't hit it here 14:42
colomon curtispoe: what platform are you using to get the is-prime bug? I can definitely see it on my Mac, but my Linux box works fine.
curtispoe OS X. 14:43
jnthn colomon: How much RAM to those two have, ooc?
curtispoe Darwin Ovid.local 11.4.2 Darwin Kernel Version 11.4.2: Thu Aug 23 16:25:48 PDT 2012; root:xnu-1699.32.7~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
jnthn *do
colomon jnthn: 8 gigs each
jnthn OK
curtispoe And I have 4 gigs of RAM.
moritz jnthn: did you get around to review my branch yet?
jnthn irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2013-02-17#i_6463574 14:44
moritz: "Didn't spot anything that gave me concern" = "yes, you can merge it" :) 14:45
moritz 4GB or RAM, linux amd64, can't reproduce the is-prime bug
jnthn OK, smaller memory systems GC more often...
Can somebody who can reproduce it perhaps try parrot -G perl6.pbc code-that-does-it.p6 14:46
Which will run without GC. If it still happens, we know it's not GC related.
moritz fwiw my branch doesn't catch "my $x = 1, 2, 3;"
colomon jnthn: when I valgrinded it, it definitely seemed like there was a GC run before the results changed for the worst.
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moritz because = is not pure, so it doesn't complain about infix:<,> in void context 14:46
colomon jnthn: on it 14:47
jnthn moritz: But the precedence is (my $x = 1), 2, 3
Oh, I see what you're saying.
moritz jnthn: yes
1, die 2
is also a , in void context we don't complain about
colomon jnthn: with parrot -G it runs successfully
jnthn Urgh.
moritz I could make it complain, but I'm not sure it's a good idea
jnthn std: my $x = 1, 2, 3; 14:48
p6eval std 7551b8f: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 43m␤»
jnthn Hm, I thought it warned on that one.
moritz: I'm mostly thinking of trying to catch a common thinko.
The optimizer may not bet the place to do it, though. 14:49
colomon jnthn: if I use the parrot invocation with -G, it works. parrot invocation without -G, 19 fails. (That's on S32-num/is-prime.t.)
moritz jnthn: I might experiment with more agressive warnings later, but first I want to see how the community responds to the new warnings 14:52
jnthn moritz: +1 14:53
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geekosaur generally thinks more warnings == good 14:54
moritz geekosaur: well yes, if you get a low rate of false positives
geekosaur point 14:55
dalek kudo/nom: a10db62 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Optimizer.pm:
try to track void context in the optimizer

does not work yet, it seems to consider all string literals in void context. No idea why :( d2795bb | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog: update ChangeLog with new warnings
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geekosaur , speaking of, updates rakudo and niecza 14:55
moritz and in theory, the warnings are perfect and never give fals positives. But we all know how theory turns out sometimes :-) 14:56
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geekosaur hrm, how do I make the rakudo build check compilers all over again? I upgraded os and xcode since last time I built it, it's looking for /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 still 15:03
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moritz geekosaur: rakudo gets its configuration from parrot 15:04
geekosaur: so one way is to delete the installed parrot, and then do a perl Configure.pl --gen-parrot in rakudo 15:05
geekosaur I did the --gen-parrot, guess I need to nuke the existing
moritz right
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moritz www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=1019130 # another fun discussion about advancing Perl 5. LanX++ for not talking about naming :-) 15:40
masak moritz++ # reply 15:42
moritz: fwiw, I'm not sure "evolvement" (in the last paragraph) is the word you're looking for. 15:44
rjbs moritz++ # good reply
and the word you wanted is probably "evolution" 15:45
masak oh! yes. the closest I got to guessing the meaning was "involvement". but it didn't feel right. 15:48
curtispoe Terminology question: for the red-black tree code, we have the following signature: multi balance(B, [R, [R,$a,$x,$b], $y, $c ], $pivot, $right);. The [] aren't being used here for a sub signature, but to assist in the pattern matching. What is this usage called and where is it documented? 15:50
s/sub signature/sub-signature/
jnthn It is a sub-signature
masak and it's documented in S06. 15:51
jnthn In a multiple dispatch, sub-signatures function as tie-breakers
curtispoe Ah, I thought sub-signatures required a named variable before them.
Cheers for that.
masak nope.
let me get you a closer reference.
jnthn No, if you don't care to name the unpackee you don't have to
er, maybe don't use the word unpackee :)
"original argument" or something is probably better :) 15:52
moritz curtispoe: I even blogged about sub-signatures recently: perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/2013-pat...ching.html
curtispoe moritz: yes, that's what first pointed me to the red-black tree example I'm writing up. 15:53
moritz ah, but I didn't mention that it works without variables too
probably because I wasn't aware of it :-)
I should retro-add it 15:54
masak colomon: "Unpacking array parameters" in S06 finds you a good clarification.
er, curtispoe, not colomon.
curtispoe :)
colomon :) 15:55
jnthn If you're curious how it works: it coerces the incoming argument to a Capture and then recurses into the signature binding process.
So all the stuff you know how to do in a normal signature, you can also do in a sub-signature.
dalek p/target-pbc: de66164 | (Gerhard R)++ | src/ (3 files):
untangle code
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p/target-pbc: 4068cef | (Gerhard R)++ | t/ (4 files):
adjust tests
p/target-pbc: 7fef0cc | (Gerhard R)++ | src/stage0/ (9 files):
rebootstrap
masak jnthn: with the extra niceness that you can bind names down in a sub-siggy, and they remain bound even in your routine. but maybe that falls out from the simple fact that sub-signatures are not scopes. :) 16:00
jnthn Yeah, they all declare in the current lexical scope 16:03
And don't introduce new scopes
Really you're just building up a data structure that the binder walks over.
curtispoe Out of curiosity, are sub signatures powerful enough that I could use them to get rid of the "when" statements in the red-black tree example? (via extra multis) rosettacode.org/wiki/Pattern_matching#Perl_6 16:04
moritz curtispoe: you could, with multi ins( $x, @s [$col, $a, $y where { $x before $y }, $b] ) 16:05
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curtispoe OK, I was hoping that was the case, but I wasn't sure. 16:05
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not_gerd jnthn: all tests pass with --target=pbc 16:07
see github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/102
would be nicde if someone would pull it into a branch so others can (spec)test more easily
^nice
masak curtispoe: yes, but multi dispatch has "nice" properties when you're doing nominal type checking, but is basically equivalent to a series of "when"s when you're doing "where" checking. 16:10
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moritz right, that's why we don't recommend excessive use of where in signatures 16:14
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colomon using a bunch of wheres would be significantly less efficient than using whens, yes? 16:21
masak well, at least as long as the "where"s are evaluated at least twice, as they are now :P 16:22
colomon wouldn't it also force the signature to bind multiple times? 16:23
masak maybe -- could you explain your reasoning?
jnthn Yes, if you have two signatures that differ only by a where clause deep in an unpack, it's verifying the thing as a whole each time. 16:24
colomon well, if you've got multi ins( $x, @s [$col, $a, $y, $b] where blah).... what jnthn said.
is "deep in an unpack" important there? 16:25
ElDiabolo masak, Is ESQL (for Embedded SQL) a reasonable name ? Sounds a bit like Haskell, which is also cool.
masak probably not, but it does make it worse.
ElDiabolo: dang, I should really reply to that email, shouldn't it? doing it now.
moritz yes, because it tries the binding of the inner signatures for every multi candidates
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moritz *candidate 16:25
jnthn colomon: Not really, just emphasizing the scenario where it's most obviously wasteful
colomon gotcha. 16:26
ElDiabolo masak, Never mind. There isn't much in it by now.
moritz also you can retro-name it to "Extended" if you want :-) 16:27
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masak ElDiabolo: email sent. 16:35
ElDiabolo: I have some syntax reservations that I managed to get down on paper. probably easier to explain over email than here. 16:36
ElDiabolo: that said, feel free to continue the discussion either here or via email.
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census hi! 16:59
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masak hi, census. 17:02
census all quiet on the western front? 17:03
moritz not quite quiet 17:07
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masak census: did you come here to ask whether it's all quiet? 17:10
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moritz r: 1 + 2; say 42 17:13
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«WARNINGS:␤Useless use of constant expression "1 + 2" in sink context (line 1)␤42␤»
moritz r: q[1]; say 42 17:15
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«WARNINGS:␤Useless use of constant string "1" in sink context (line 1)␤42␤»
moritz I should probably change that use to use q[1] instead of "1" 17:16
r: my $x = 42; $x; say $x
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«42␤»
moritz huh, I thought that one too warned
oh, I never pushed that patch :/ 17:17
masak moritz++ # constant warnings
moritz prepare for more :-) 17:18
census no, i didn't do that. i came to say hello! but nobody said hello back
except for you
moritz census: I'm sure people would greet you more friendly if you contributed more to on-topic discussions here 17:19
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masak +1 17:19
census thank you for the pointer. i will work on that 17:20
[Coke] I have a mac. what needs reproducing?
moritz [Coke]: run ($_ if $_.is-prime for 1 .. 10 ); a few times in a row in the REPL 17:21
masak [Coke]: rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=116777
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benabik Gives me 2..10 on run #3. (OS X) 17:22
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benabik runs 3,4,5,7,9,10... then I got bored. 17:25
moritz benabik: how much memory does your machine have?
benabik moritz: 8 GiB
Although I wonder how much Parrot thinks I have. ISTR Parrot misestimating it. 17:26
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moritz will try at $work tomorrow, with 8GB ram and linux amd64 17:26
benabik Yes. Parrot's method of getting memory size is capped at 2GB on OS X. 17:28
(So it runs GC more often.) 17:29
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[Coke] moritz: yes, I can duplicate that. 17:30
moritz too bad parrot doesn't respect ulimits when determining memory size 17:31
the it would be much, much easier to simulate machines with smaller memory (no VM needed)
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[Coke] There is an open feature request to have a command line option to parrot to say how much memory to use (ala the jvm) 17:32
moritz that too would be a good idea 17:33
masak ...though respecting ulimit sounds like a good idea, too ;)
moritz opens another ticket for that
benabik Checking limit inside Parrot_sysmem_amount is probably easier than figuring out how to cap total allocations. 17:35
*ulimit
moritz yes, that's what I mean 17:37
man getrlimit
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benabik If I wasn't up to my eyeballs in homework, I'd do it. Place to add it is src/platform/*/sysmem.c, Parrot_sysmem_amount 17:38
moritz I've opened github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/935 17:40
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colomon "Parrot's method of getting memory size is capped at 2GB on OS X." Wait, is this why I have trouble getting Rakudo to handle big files on my machine? 17:41
moritz possibly :-)
benabik It would cause Parrot to GC far more frequently.
Shouldn't cap memory allocations or anything like that.
colomon I'm guessing running super slow from GCing all the time would be nearly indistinguishable from running super slow because of lowmemory... 17:44
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benabik There's a different function to use, but it's not available on all OS X. Nobody's spent the time to create code that works for both me and kid51. :-D 17:46
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pmichaud I sent a message to the issue ticket, but memory limits was also covered in issue #795. 17:47
You can also probably check the #parrot logs around the timeframe of #795 for more details. 17:48
colomon I've been wondering if this bug has always been there in is-prime, or if it is a recent thing. 17:49
masak pmichaud! \o/
pmichaud good morning, #perl6
jnthn o/ pmichaud
not_gerd good morning ;)
raiph_ hi #perl6
is github currently using a p5 highlighter on p6 code? 17:50
colomon benabik: is there a way to hardcode the limit on Parrot, so we can see if Linux has the same sort of problems OS X does if it's running out of memory? 17:51
argh, end of that sentence was incoherent.
benabik colomon: Change Parrot_sysmem_amount to `return SMALLNUMBER`
masak raiph_: I'm assuming so.
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colomon If I'm using Parrot built by Rakudo's Configure.pl and I rebuild that Parrot by using make in its directory, how do I then rebuild Rakudo? 17:57
colomon cannot believe he has not run into trying to do this before....
raiph_ masak: thanks; I've just found the answer and yes, it's currently same as perl5
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arnsholt colomon: Remake NQP and then Rakudo, probably 17:58
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not_gerd colomon: just `make` or if that doesn't work `perl Configure.pl --with-parrot=... --gen-nqp` 17:59
FROGGS "make realclean" maybe before "make"
dalek albot: 3819da9 | thundergnat++ | lib/EvalbotExecuter.pm:
Update lib/EvalbotExecuter.pm

Update evalbot to deal with new URL scheme for gists.		 18:04
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moritz thundergnat++ 18:06
masak TimToady will be pleased. he evals gists quite a bit :) 18:07
colomon I think I've got it rebuilt, and it doesn't seem to make any difference on Linux. 18:10
Guess that's not wildly surprising if it's really a memory error.
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benabik colomon: I didn't think that was it. Just more "oh, yeah, this thing is still broken on OS X" 18:25
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masak "Simple Generators v. Lazy Evaluation" -- interesting and not too complicated. okmij.org/ftp/continuations/PPYield/ 19:04
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labster good morning #perl6 (yes, still technically morning here) 19:12
phenny labster: 11:55Z <masak> tell labster can I deny that pull request? '$output eqv Any' looks unidiomatic to me -- shouldn't it ve '$output === Any'? same with '$output.not' -- shouldn't it be '!$output'? beyond that, it looks fine.
labster: 12:21Z <masak> tell labster nvm, I pulled and fixed those myself. :) keep up the good work!
FROGGS labster: it's always morning in UTG 19:13
UGT
labster looks at wikipedia: Unified Tasmania Green party? 19:14
I didn't think it was that far south to get the midnight sun down there. 19:15
masak labster: thinkmoult.com/ugt.html
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labster Thanks for fixing my idiom. I think that just comes from reading a lot of code in a language, and I certainly need to read more in Perl 6. 19:18
masak 'eqv' is for deep equality, fwiw. 19:19
I practically never see .not in code.
and prefix:<!> feels "safer" somehow, as it doesn't require that method to be there.
labster That just came because I was switching between .defined and .not until I got the behavior I wanted. 19:20
jnthn r: say Mu.^methods
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«ACCEPTS WHERE WHICH take WHY Bool so not defined new CREATE bless BUILDALL BUILD_LEAST_DERIVED Numeric Real Str Stringy item say print gist perl DUMP DUMP-ID isa does can clone Capture Method+{<anon>}.new() dispatch:<::> Method+{<anon>}.new() Method+{<anon>}.new() …
jnthn r: say Mu.^methods.grep(*.name eq 'not') 19:21
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«not␤»
jnthn masak: YOu should fear .not :)
uh, should .not fear
labster self.not.fear but fear(self)? 19:22
masak ok. still gonna stick to ! :P
labster: I tend to use 'defined $x' instead of '$x.defined', too :) but that one is more debatable.
moritz I use $x.defined, because you can use it in lists 19:23
foo(defined $x, $y) vs. foo($x.defined, $y)
dalek p: 54985c7 | jnthn++ | src/ (6 files):
Eliminate a bunch of pir::.
p: 3c896f1 | jnthn++ | t/nqp/62-subst.t:
Update test to not pass due to a PCC fail.

Something that takes no parameters will not check that it got none. Fixing the test, rather than porting the bug.
p: d47185c | jnthn++ | src/core/Regex.pm:
Further portability tweak.
p-jvm-prep: 1a5005a | jnthn++ | nqp-src/NQPCORE.setting:
Add match and subst to the setting.
p-jvm-prep: cf179ce | jnthn++ | t/nqp/62-subst.t:
Pass 62-subst.t.
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nwc10 yay, another test file 19:27
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masak GlitchMr: when you link to my blog post in glitchmr.github.com/perl-6-changes-2013W07.html , do you think you could link to the post and not to the blog? 19:28
jnthn nwc10: aye
nwc10 the small problem with 4 being a prime every so often 19:29
it's old.
building the revision of Rakudo that first added it
but 2012.10 was a problem
GlitchMr masak, haven't noticed 19:30
Should be fixed when GitHub will rebuild my blog 19:31
masak thank you.
jnthn To anybody who either knows or knows how to use Google better than me: what's the best way to take a Unicode character name and turn it into the appropriate character in Java? :)
nwc10 shell out to Perl? :-) 19:32
GlitchMr I know how to convert character to Unicode name...
You could try using site.icu-project.org/, by the way 19:33
It has entire Unicode table.
masak I'm reaching the same answer.
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colomon nwc10++ # researching history of is-prime bug 19:33
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jnthn GlitchMr: Yes, I know it can go in the other direction 19:34
GlitchMr: Which makes me think you should be able to do the other thing too
GlitchMr Well, technically you could initialize entire table, but that would be slow. 19:35
And waste lots of memory.
masak jnthn: I'll ask on ##java
jnthn GlitchMr: Well, can do it on first request 19:36
It's not like we need to do this unless somebody actually writes a program containing \c[PILE OF POO] or so
masak jnthn: well, of course building a hash table of All The Characters would work. 19:37
jnthn masak: Yes, my question was more "a better way than the obvious". :)
nwc10 oooh. 4 is a prime on FreeBSD after a while
you have to be *more* persistent 19:38
that's on spectre
persist further, it isn't 19:39
persist further, it is
no obvious periodicity
rindolf Hi all.
Hi jnthn , masak GlitchMr 19:40
GlitchMr Hi
nwc10 -G cures all
jnthn o/ rindolf
arnsholt jnthn: You'd think there would be some way to query the Unicode DB from JAva, but on second thought, I wouldn't be surprised if the solution ends up being creating something for NQP 19:41
jnthn *nod* 19:42
I don't need it right now, I'm just looking through where the HLL libs use pir::
nwc10 OK, 4 is sometimes a prime at 2e336562bdca282c537dba70577d1ad7bfa6e0b8 19:43
that's the commit where Moritz added is-prime
GlitchMr Just wondering, how Perl 6 on Parrot does that.
jnthn GlitchMr: ICU
GlitchMr Because I'm sure \C[] has to do it somehow.
Isn't ICU available on Java too?
colomon nwc10: 4 is reliably not prime before that?
nwc10 nqp similiary 21st-September-like c458a08a723a58146ae9b3fd7fb72198691de337
jnthn It doesn't do it on my build 'cus I don't have a build with ICU
colomon nwc10: or is that the first one with is-prime?
nwc10 colomon: before that, who knows. There was no is-prime method
yep
jnthn GlitchMr: I don't want to pull in the whole of ICU just for one very rarely used feature.
nwc10 parrot at the 4.8.0 release
jnthn That's more wasteful than building the hash table of all the chars :) 19:44
rindolf jnthn: what's up?
jnthn rindolf: Not much, just hacking and eating icecream :)
rindolf jnthn: what kind of Icecream?
colomon nwc10: okay, so it's always been broken. that's more of a pain (because we can't trace the problem to a single change) but it's still useful information to knmow. nwc10++ 19:45
*knoiw
*knbow
*know
sigh
nwc10 yes, sigh
I agree.
it's not a regression
however, *also*, I can replicate it on a FreeBSD machine
it's not just OS X
jnthn rindolf: Strawberry 19:46
rindolf jnthn: ah.
GlitchMr Well, the hax could be to initialize tables when using \C[] using the long loop.
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arnsholt jnthn: I guess one way would be to sort the characters by name and store it in fixed-width format and mmap the file (Java lets you mmap, no?) 19:48
And then binary search and possibly a small cache
nwc10 or make a trie 19:49
arnsholt Yeah, a trie might be the most compact storage 19:50
jnthn Yeah 19:51
Don't want to spend a load of time on it, but if somebody wants to trie something clever I'll be happy to use it :) 19:52
Not going to block on it for a bit :)
nwc10 OK, I can't build 2e336562bdca282c537dba70577d1ad7bfa6e0b8 on FreeBSD (add expmod and is-prime) 19:53
explosive backtrace from compiling src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm
I can build that revision on OS X
jnthn pmichaud: HLL::Compiler manages to load all of dumper.pbc, PGE/dumper.pbc, PCT/Dumper.pbc and Parrot/Exception.pbc
pmichaud: Don't suppose you recall anything about the history of that and if any are just bogus/unrequired? 19:54
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masak "This article is about a tree data structure. For the French commune, see Trie-sur-Baïse." :) 20:09
someone should make a tumbler about funny Wikipedia sentences. 20:10
also, does anyone else think that both pronunciations of "trie" are silly?
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jnthn: looking
jnthn: the dumper stuff was (is?) the thing that handled --target=past and --target=parse output 20:12
I think I might have replaced most of it
jnthn ah, ok
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jnthn I tossed the Parrot/Exception.pbc seemingly without problems 20:12
pmichaud looks like Parrot's dumper is still used in src/HLL/Compiler.pm 20:13
well, still referenced, at any rate
looking
jnthn Yes, 3 different dumper-related PBCs are loadbytecode'd :)
pmichaud no, I mean it actually references the _dumper function
jnthn Ah, ok 20:14
pmichaud method dumper at src/HLL/Compiler.pm:444
if we can replace that with a nqp-only version, we can eliminate the parrot stuff.
Or we can ignore the --target=parse or --target=past stuff. 20:15
I did a start on dumping capabilities in src/core/NQPMu.pm
method __dump is there 20:16
(which is what Parrot's Data::Dumper uses)
anyway, I'd be fine with a HLL::Dumper module. 20:17
or a NQP::Dumper one.
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dalek p: 4500780 | jnthn++ | src/HLL/Compiler.pm:
Remove one seemingly unrequired loadbytecode.
 20:26
p: 26b0b8e | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp:
Map some more SC related ops.
p: 90f5160 | jnthn++ | src/ (4 files):
More pir:: => nqp::.
nwc10 4 is a prime some of the time on FreeBSD with: This is perl6 version 2012.10 built on parrot 4.4.0 revision RELEASE_4_4_0 20:39
but not with -G
moritz "4 is a prime" would be a nice band name 20:42
masak :D 20:43
and then they get rid of their band member "-G"
jnthn Or they only use 5 of the guitar strings...not the G string. 20:44
tadzik 5 other, you mean :)
curtispoe To atone for my sins, I've decided to start blogging more about Perl 6. I've written up an explanation of how Perl 6's red-black tree code works. I would be delighted if anyone could spot errors and correct me: blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2013/02/r...ained.html
tadzik if they used only the G string they could call themselves a G-unit (ohoho)
masak curtispoe++
masak reads 20:45
moritz jnthn: one of the dumpers might be unnecessary, now that QAST is dumped with the QAST::Node.dump method
jnthn Also, is it me or does --target=parse give a lot too much info?
I mean...I'm not quite sure when I do --target=parse I want to know the set of integers on the bstack... :)
moritz um, a lot too little, because it usually dies before getting to the interesting parts 20:46
but also too much, yes :-)
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jnthn Well, we probably don't want to go dumping what hangs off the .ast also :) 20:47
Since if you wanted that you'd look at --target=past ;)
Also, we should maybe call that just ast
moritz agreed 20:49
on both accounts
masak curtispoe: looks nice. 20:50
curtispoe: I'm actually not sure why, in this case, a dedicated sentinel value was not used in place of Any. 20:51
curtispoe masak: thanks! It took quite a bit of time to put together. I have to say that I'm quite impressed with where Perl 6 is.
masak but I have the feeling that TimToady likes to use the type objects as sentinels :)
curtispoe masak: that was one area of the code I was the most unclear about.
masak know, though, that something like this coulda worked, too:
r: constant RedBlackSentinel = {} 20:52
p6eval rakudo d2795b: ( no output )
masak ...or whatever name you'd give it.
(and yes, "expressivity" is a word) :) 20:54
jnthn curtispoe++ # nice post 20:56
masak I also can't help thinking about ADTs when I see this example. I wonder if we'll ever get good AST support into Perl 6 (preferably through a module). the nice semantic advantage would be if it could be somewhat clever about making sure that all cases of the ADT were always covered in a 'given' statement.
or in a set of multis.
curtispoe Thanks jnthn.
jnthn masak: good AST support? Ain't that your job? ;) 20:57
masak er. ADT!
:P
masak looks around shiftily
jnthn :)
the keys are like, right next to each other 20:58
:P
masak yed! 20:59
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pmurias masak: how would the ADT be different from classes? 21:01
moritz was think more of haskell-y types
masak pmurias: they're quite different in nature. 21:02
moritz rbtree = JustANode | Node rbtree:left rbtree:right Color
of course I can't remember the proper syntax
masak data Tree = Empty | Leaf Int | Node Tree Tree 21:03
for example.
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masak pmurias: classes are all about (hidden) data and (public) behavior. ADTs are all about (public) data. 21:03
...to a first approximation. 21:04
shachaf Well, you can sort of represent both sides of the expression problem with ADTs.
pmurias class Tree {};class Empty is Tree {};class Leaf is Tree {has Int $.val};class Node is Tree {has Tree $.left;has Tree $.right}
nwc10 jnthn: the state of tests is stable
(I believe that pun is reused)
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shachaf E.g. these are both valid representations for a shape: data Shape = Circle Double | Rectangle Double Double; data Shape = Shape { area :: Double, perimeter :: Double } 21:05
jnthn nwc10: You're get horse if you keep reporting this often :P
shachaf One of them is about what a shape "is" and the other one is about what you can do with it.
masak ...destructuring is an important aspect of ADTs.
nwc10 jnthn: possibly
I did get a sore throat after reading too many chapters of Winne-the-Pooh
masak i.e. in guards, you can destructure right into an ADT, just like we do with subsignatures. 21:06
nwc10 jnthn: as I said earlier, I'm blocking on /dev/pun, and don't seem to have /dev/upun
masak pmurias: that's mainly what's missing from your converstion to classes, fwiw.
moritz curtispoe++ # very nice blog post
nwc10 floging a dead meme
masak pmurias: no simple way to destructure that.
nwc10 er, flogging I think. My fingers can't spell
masak yes, "flogging".
curtispoe I probably should have started with something a bit simpler :)
masak nwc10: and nice way to bring up the horse topic again :P 21:07
moritz no, it's great
rindolf shachaf: hi. 21:09
shachaf hi
pmurias masak: so what we are missing is a more concise syntax for definition, and a destructuring syntax?
curtispoe Is there anything in Perl 6 which is equivalent to SQL's NULL? I would love to have an "UNKNOWN" type which is comparable to nothing. That avoids many subtle bugs that crop up in Perl 5 (see blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2010/12/a...dance.html for background if that didn't make sense). 21:10
moritz curtispoe: I dimly recall reading in the specs that comparing anything to an undefined value should fail(), and a Failure in boolean context is always False 21:12
masak pmurias: yes. and a way for the compiler to assert that 'given' statements have complete coverage.
moritz curtispoe: but that's not implemented, and probably contradicts much of the current feeling of Perl 6
jnthn r: sub anagram(*@a) { [eqv] (.subst(' ', '').comb.sort.item for @a).lol }; say anagram('hamburgers', 'shergars bum')
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«True␤» 21:13
jnthn nwc10: ^^ ;)
curtispoe moritz: but that sort of contradicts three-valued logic. "my @chosen = $_ where $_.salary < 50000 for @employees" would return employees with an UNKNOWN salary, yes? 21:14
s/where/if/ 21:15
moritz no, if Any < 50000 returned a Failure, then the 'if' evaluates to false
tadzik wouldn't Failure in numeric be 0?
moritz tadzik: no, either blow up or propagate as Failure
japhb jnthn, that anagram cannot be correct. Too many 's's. 21:16
tadzik ah, right
moritz unless it's .handled
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jnthn japhb: Oh...hm, so howe'd I get my anagram checker wrong.. :) 21:17
japhb Did you mean to .sort.item, or was there supposed to be a .join in there? 21:18
jnthn I meant to sort the letters then itemize...
Oh, hm
moritz the .item takes care that the [eqv] doesn't flatten it out
jnthn :)
moritz a .join would have worked too
jnthn Yeah, but then I did a .lol on the outside too
moritz eqv doesn't care if it works on a two lists of chars, or on two strings 21:19
jnthn r: say 'hamburgers'.comb.sort.item
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«a b e g h m r r s u␤» 21:20
moritz r: say 'hamburgers'.comb.sort.join
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«abeghmrrsu␤»
jnthn oh, it was my .lol that screwed it up 21:23
r: sub anagram(*@a) { [eqv] (.subst(' ', '').comb.sort.item for @a) }; say anagram('hamburgers', 'shergars bum')
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«False␤»
jnthn r: sub anagram(*@a) { [eqv] (.subst(' ', '').comb.sort.item for @a) }; say anagram('hamburgers', 'shergar bum')
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«True␤»
jnthn Better.
masak r: sub infix:<ana>($l, $r) { [eq] ($l, $r)>>.comb>>.sort>>.join }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«False␤»
masak r: sub infix:<ana>($l, $r) { [eq] ($l, $r)>>.comb(/\w/)>>.sort>>.join }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum' 21:24
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«False␤»
masak dang.
r: say ('hamburgers', 'shergar bum')>>.comb(/\w/)>>.sort.perl
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«(("h",), ("a",), ("m",), ("b",), ("u",), ("r",), ("g",), ("e",), ("r",), ("s",), ("s",), ("h",), ("e",), ("r",), ("g",), ("a",), ("r",), ("b",), ("u",), ("m",))␤» 21:25
masak hrm.
jnthn Remeains of the time when >> was spec'd to recurse into iterables, I think.
masak oh :(
curtispoe r: my @a = (6,2,Any,7);my @less = ($_ if $_ < 6 for @a); say @less.perl;
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context in block at /tmp/v_HV9YduUh:1␤␤use of uninitialized variable of type Any in numeric context in block at /tmp/v_HV9YduUh:1␤␤Array.new(2, Any)␤»
masak r: say ('hamburgers', 'shergar bum')>>.comb(/\w/).map({ .sort }).perl
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«(("h",), ("a",), ("m",), ("b",), ("u",), ("r",), ("g",), ("e",), ("r",), ("s",), ("s",), ("h",), ("e",), ("r",), ("g",), ("a",), ("r",), ("b",), ("u",), ("m",)).list␤»
moritz r: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { [eq] ($a, $b).map: *.comb.sort.join }; 'hamburgers' ana ''shergar bum' 21:26
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/tIi4lbY1Vi:1␤------> *.comb.sort.join }; 'hamburgers' ana ''⏏shergar bum'␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix or meta-infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ …
moritz r: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { [eq] ($a, $b).map: *.comb.sort.join }; 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval rakudo d2795b: ( no output )
moritz r: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { [eq] ($a, $b).map: *.comb.sort.join }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«False␤»
curtispoe moritz: that's the problem I'm referring to. 'Any' is not "less than" 6 because its value is unknown. That could cause weird bugs to propagate. I'd like to know how I could cleanly work around that.
jnthn r: sub infix:<ana> { [eq] (.comb(/\w/).sort.join for @_ }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse expression in parenthesized expression; couldn't find final ')'␤at /tmp/JLHCt1QnXW:1␤------> a> { [eq] (.comb(/\w/).sort.join for @_ ⏏}; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'␤ expecting any of:␤ …
moritz curtispoe: as I said, it's not implemented (and might not ever be) 21:27
jnthn r: sub infix:<ana> { [eq] (.comb(/\w/).sort.join for @_) }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«True␤»
jnthn masak: That's the shortest I can think of :)
moritz curtispoe: currently I'm not aware of a good solution
curtispoe moritz: OK. Thanks.
jnthn masak: 'cus it gets rid of the parameter list :)
curtispoe Er, don't we have a comparable role in Perl 6? If so, an "unknown" type could have its own comparable method that always returns false. 21:28
curtispoe is just wildly guessing here.
moritz curtispoe: comparison is done via subs, not methods 21:29
colomon n: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { my $a-bag = $a.comb(/\w/).bag; my $b-bag = $b.comb(/\w/).bag; $a-bag ≼ $b-bag && $b-bag ≼ $a-bag; } say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Strange text after block (missing comma, semicolon, comment marker?) at /tmp/nR5gDtchn5 line 1:␤------> g; $a-bag ≼ $b-bag && $b-bag ≼ $a-bag; }⏏ say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'␤␤Parse failed␤␤»…
moritz curtispoe: you could just add an UNKNOWN type, and two multis for each comparison operator
colomon n: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { my $a-bag = $a.comb(/\w/).bag; my $b-bag = $b.comb(/\w/).bag; $a-bag ≼ $b-bag && $b-bag ≼ $a-bag; }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«True␤»
colomon n: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { my $a-bag = $a.comb(/\w/).bag; my $b-bag = $b.comb(/\w/).bag; $a-bag ≼ $b-bag && $b-bag ≼ $a-bag; }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bu' 21:30
p6eval niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«False␤»
moritz class UNKNOWN { }; multi infix:<==>(UNKNOWN, $) { False };
colomon: can't you compare bags with eqv?
colomon moritz: only in theory, at least in niecza 21:31
moritz and then do it with all operators, and the other way around too
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colomon n: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { my $a-bag = $a.comb(/\w/).bag; my $b-bag = $b.comb(/\w/).bag; $a-bag eqv $b-bag; }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bu' 21:31
p6eval niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Parameter '' in 'Bag.gist' requires a defined argument␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 0 (Bag.gist @ 1) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3349 (infix:<eqv> @ 4) ␤ at /tmp/xN28TMG8_u line 1 (infix:<ana> @ 1…
colomon r: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { my $a-bag = $a.comb(/\w/).bag; my $b-bag = $b.comb(/\w/).bag; $a-bag eqv $b-bag; }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bu'
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«False␤»
colomon r: sub infix:<ana>($a, $b) { my $a-bag = $a.comb(/\w/).bag; my $b-bag = $b.comb(/\w/).bag; $a-bag eqv $b-bag; }; say 'hamburgers' ana 'shergar bum'
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«False␤»
colomon moritz: doesn't appear to work in rakudo?
moritz probably NYI 21:32
dalek p: 8740c50 | moritz++ | / (2 files):
remove pir::escape call
 21:33
colomon moritz: TimToady had code for it in his initial version of Set, but it doesn't work with Niecza, alas.
it's in the code commented out.
curtispoe Good night from Paris! 21:40
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masak ooh, bags. 21:42
colomon++
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jnthn git st 21:51
oops
dalek p: 5265cf6 | jnthn++ | src/HLL/Compiler.pm:
Seems PGE/Dumper.pbc is not used.
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p: 9c9d7bc | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp:
Another missing SC op mapping.
p: 77bd4eb | jnthn++ | src/NQP/World.pm:
Replace a couple of QAST::VM with QAST::Op.
p: c484723 | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp:
A couple more coderef op mappings.
p: afbe2be | jnthn++ | src/NQP/World.pm:
Get rid of another QAST::VM.

Seems this is one of, if not the last QAST::VM node in code-gen that should be portable. Of course, still a bunch of pir:: and Q:PIR uses to go.
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jnthn pmichaud: About MARKED and MARKER, currently they are stored in a global. We get some bugs because an eval in a BEGIN block, for example, doesn't get a separate set of marks, or other such oddness. Any objections to storing the mark hash in ParseShared (and thus once per parse)? 22:37
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felher Oh, coool. A .combinations method. This will boost some of the RC examples, I bet. 22:41
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colomon felher: once someone gets around to implementing it. 22:41
felher colomon: right :) 22:42
dalek p: 32a218b | jnthn++ | src/HLL/Grammar.pm:
Eliminate Q:PIR in starter/stopper.

Took a simpler approach than the kboga++ patches for these two.		 22:43
p: 98a623e | jnthn++ | src/HLL/Grammar.pm:
Port HLL::Grammar.O to NQP.

Mostly from kboga++'s pull request, with a few tweaks and some use of native types.
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felher good night, #perl6 :) 22:46
colomon \o 22:47
masak jnthn++ # .O 22:50
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masak "He must, so to speak, throw away the ladder after he has climbed up it." -- the PIR->nqp conversions always remind me of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-child...27s_ladder 22:52
dalek rl6-most-wanted: 63fd354 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | tools/prettify-json:
Add a tools/ directory, containing a simple JSON prettifier to make it easier to look up details in the perl6-module-list
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rl6-most-wanted: 5166372 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Note that JSON handling has a partial implementation in JSON::Tiny
lue std: say#`[]42; 23:02
p6eval std 7551b8f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unsupported use of bare 'say'; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument at /tmp/APQv68VBpI line 1:␤------> say⏏#`[]42;␤Two terms in a row (listop with args requires whitespace…
lue rn: say#`[]42;
p6eval niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Unsupported use of bare 'say'; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument at /tmp/rBwXOXua6u line 1:␤------> say⏏#`[]42;␤␤Two terms in a row (listop with args requir…
..rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/jsjAUwIf7M:1␤------> say#`[]⏏42;␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ postfix␤ infix or meta-infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ statement modif…
lue That's interesting. (I was testing to see if #`[] would act like whitespace there, just ooc) 23:03
masak lue: I can see the argument for that, yes. 23:04
lue: and the implementations seem to disagree a bit on what went wrong.
'night, #perl6
lue well, STD and Niecza agree with each other, at least.
jnthn No, they both say ttiar
lue knight, masak 23:05
jnthn: std and niecza "bare say" in addition
jnthn lue: Right
But it's the ttiar that kills the parse in both, it seems
lue rn: say() 42 23:06
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/BsXStBXxgn:1␤------> say() ⏏42␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix or meta-infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ statement modifier␤ statement mo…
..niecza v24-23-g0520c7c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Two terms in a row at /tmp/hEtL28UANk line 1:␤------> say() ⏏42␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
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lue Do you think #`[] should count as whitespace there? I personally don't see why not, but there might be a good reason against that which I'm missing. 23:09
jnthn std: say\#`[]42; 23:12
p6eval std 7551b8f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unsupported use of bare 'say'; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument at /tmp/6r3tVI8C8F line 1:␤------> say⏏\#`[]42;␤Two terms in a row (listop with args requires whitespac…
jnthn ah, not that 23:13
Well, not sure how it should be done. :)
It seems all the implementations consistently treat it as not whitespace though.
lue are you sure #`[] is the second term and not 42? 23:14
jnthn Oh, I think the 42 is what it hits and gets confused over 23:16
std: say#`[] 42; 23:17
p6eval std 7551b8f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unsupported use of bare 'say'; in Perl 6 please use .say if you meant $_, or use an explicit invocant or argument at /tmp/becfNwccC3 line 1:␤------> say⏏#`[] 42;␤Two terms in a row (listop with args requires whitespac…
jnthn oh, maybe not
std: say #`[] 42;
p6eval std 7551b8f: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 41m␤»
jnthn std: say #`[]42;
p6eval std 7551b8f: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 41m␤»
lue r: say#`[] 42;
p6eval rakudo d2795b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/SeMHRiQ_Lv:1␤------> say#`[] ⏏42;␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ postfix␤ infix or meta-infix␤ infix stopper␤ statement end␤ statement modi…
lue rakudo gets confused on 42, it seems. (While everyone else trips on #`[]) 23:18
jnthn I have a slight suspicion that it's more a reporting issue 23:21
lue Makes sense. 23:22
jnthn Hm, I thought it was gonna be that ws localized the highwater position and Rakudo doesn't
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lue I wonder what about say#`[] 42 causes it to act like a combination of say; 42 and say() 42 23:25
dalek rl6-roast-data: 9721f17 | coke++ | / (4 files):
today (automated commit)
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kudo/nom: 10dac76 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
Support for nqp::const.
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kudo/nom: b9ee89a | jnthn++ | / (9 files):
Some pir:: => nqp:: for the setting.
jnthn sleep, 'ngiht 23:45
lue knight jnthn o/ 23:47
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dalek rl6-most-wanted: f7d5012 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Clean up UI section of modules.md a bit
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rl6-most-wanted: 1712b68 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Start working through task-belike-* data-sources
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