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Set by moritz on 3 May 2013.
diakopter google+, y u completely different from 3 hours ago 02:47
Pleiades` imitating facebook? 02:49
labster rn: enum Toggle <MAGIC MORE_MAGIC>; multi infix:<=> (Toggle $a, Toggle $b) { say "$a | $b"; nextsame; }; my Toggle $a = MAGIC; $a = MAGIC; 03:27
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Toggle() | MAGIC␤Unhandled exception: Illegal control operator: nextsame/nextwith␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1533 (nextsame @ 4) ␤ at /tmp/fqiMJQEnPN line 1 (infix:<=> @ 6) ␤ at /tmp/fqiMJQEnPN line 1 (mainline @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval…
..rakudo 570d1d: ( no output )
labster .oO ( Maybe this work work if I set it to MORE_MAGIC? ) 03:28
lue labster: here's the sub line for = in src/core/operators.pm: sub infix:<=>(Mu \a, Mu \b) is rw { 04:24
lue (It's not a multi in the core, so I doubt that would work) 04:26
lizmat_ good *, #perl6! 06:47
sorear lizmat_! 06:48
jnthn yawns 07:05
moritz \o *
jnthn Teaching today, so only occasionally about. 07:06
labster good morning 08:02
sorear o/ labster 08:03
brrt hi #perl6 08:04
labster \o sorear 09:23
labster delayed reaction there 09:23
donaldh Argh, Java classpath separator on Windows is ; but classpaths require quoting for this to work on Cygwin 09:44
Do we want to support nqp / jvm on Cygwin?
labster I'm pretty sure that someone here is using cygwin. 09:45
donaldh Yeah, I was just trying it in the absence of a Windows compiler toolchain. 09:46
But realize it really behaves like a third platform.
labster Also, I feel your pain on multiple platform weirdness.
tadzik donaldh: are you working on rakudo/jvm runner? 09:47
donaldh tadzik: yeah
tadzik donaldh: perhaps something could be stolen from nqp? It has a runner too, maybe the problem is solved there
donaldh I've queued a pull request already. It's not tested on Windows because I don't have a toolchain 09:48
And yes, it's largely stolen from nqp.
FROGGS std: use v5; say $] 11:44
camelia std 9906f18: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 53m␤»
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys { say "{$_.WHAT}" } # me thinks this is a rakudo bug 12:08
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context in block at /tmp/PdHofbm1Cl:1␤␤␤»
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys { say $_.WHAT } # this works 12:08
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
FROGGS r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys { say "{$_}" } # me thinks this is a rakudo bug 12:09
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«a␤»
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys { say "{$_}" } # so does this
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«a␤»
FROGGS r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys { say "{$_.Str}" } # me thinks this is a rakudo bug
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«a␤»
moritz lizmat: afaict it works according to the specs (more)
lizmat: your confusion stems from the fact that .WHAT returns a type object, which say() turns into (Type), but stringification leads to empty string + warning 12:10
(say uses .gist instead of .Str for conversion)
if you want to get the name of a type as a string, use $obj.^name 12:11
FROGGS r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys { say "{$_.WHAT.gist}" }
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
lizmat ok, I now understand why it does this 12:11
still it feels incorrect... 12:12
FROGGS r: say ~Str 12:13
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context in block at /tmp/qVjEuegmaR:1␤␤␤»
FROGGS then this must feel the same
lizmat indeed…
guess it's one of those things to get used to, as having to put a comma behind the block in grep 12:14
FROGGS yeah
lizmat moritz++, FROGGS++ for the clarification 12:15
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.kv -> $k,$v is rw { $v=3 }; say %h # is this NYI ? 12:26
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«("a" => 1).hash␤»
lizmat expected a => 3
FROGGS n: my %h=a=>1; for %h.kv -> $k,$v is rw { $v=3 }; say %h # is this NYI ?
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $k is declared but not used at /tmp/EgQU4BuOmk line 1:␤------> my %h=a=>1; for %h.kv -> ⏏$k,$v is rw { $v=3 }; say %h # is this ␤␤{"a" => 3}␤»
FROGGS looks like 12:27
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.values -> $v is rw { $v=3 }; say %h # same for .values 12:27
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«("a" => 1).hash␤»
lizmat n: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys -> $k is rw { $k="b" }; say %h 12:28
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Writing to readonly scalar␤ at /tmp/gy03ZaGbp_ line 1 (mainline @ 8) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4331 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4332 (module-CORE @ 582) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/li…
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.keys -> $k is rw { $k="b" }; say %h # not expecting this to work, but also not silently fail 12:29
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«("a" => 1).hash␤»
colomon lizmat: it's not silently failing. 12:39
you're changing the list of keys you created, not the original hash 12:40
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.values -> $v is rw { $v=3 }; say FAIL if %h<a> != 3
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared name:␤ FAIL used at line 1␤␤»
lizmat r: my %h=a=>1; for %h.values -> $v is rw { $v=3 }; say "FAIL" if %h<a> != 3
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«FAIL␤»
lizmat colomon: nothing with keys in this one 12:41
colomon nr: my %h = a => 1; my @a := %h.keys; @a[0].key = "boo!"; say @a.perl; say %h.perl
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method key in type Str␤ at /tmp/anEbtj0Pz1 line 1 (mainline @ 6) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4331 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4332 (module-CORE @ 582) ␤ at /home/p6…
..rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'key' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in block at /tmp/cYDvt8gVWv:1␤␤»
colomon lizmat: yes, that one is values
same difference
nr: my %h = a => 1; my @a := %h.keys; @a[0] = "boo!"; say @a.perl; say %h.perl 12:42
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Writing to readonly scalar␤ at /tmp/rWdVgUQand line 1 (mainline @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4331 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4332 (module-CORE @ 582) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/li…
..rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«("boo!",).list␤("a" => 1).hash␤»
colomon okay, that's interesting.
(and you'd already gotten it above) 12:43
lizmat p5eval: my %h=(a=>1); for $v (values %h) { $v=3 }; say "OK" if $h{a} == 3 # is what I expected
p5eval lizmat: OK1
[Coke]_ p5eval: 1; 12:45
p5eval [Coke]_: 1
moritz (the 1 in OK1 is the return value from say())
[Coke]_ wonder if we should make that ignore the return value, like p6eval.
lizmat p5eval: my %h=(a=>1); for $v (values %h) { $v=3 }; "OK" if $h{a} == 3 # just testing p5eval 12:46
p5eval lizmat: OK
colomon lizmat: presumably one of those is an error, but I don't have any notion which one it is.
lizmat I think it's more a matter of NYI, let's wait for jnthn/masak/pmichaud to become available 12:47
afk for a bit
moritz wonders if he should write an apache module that bans IPs that requests URLs ending in signup.php 13:01
hoelzro moritz: just use fail2ban =) 13:08
that's what I do
arnsholt Sounds like a good idea to me =)
moritz hoelzro: isn't fail2ban on the ssh level? 13:09
hoelzro moritz: it analyses any log file and takes actions based on patterns
so I have a series of patterns for my web server log
and an iptables rule is added for addresses that match 13:10
I use it for all of my external-facing services
moritz I am now experimenting with mod_evasive for irclog.perlgeek.de/ 13:13
the problem is that now and then, a crawler discovers the site, and follows all links, and causes immense load
moritz but there is also a legitimate use case of causing many requests: the front page loads a .png for every channel 13:15
arnsholt Do you cache the images? 13:16
moritz arnsholt: they are static files 13:17
but mod_evasive can't count request for only-dynamic files
arnsholt That counts. Just checking in case they were on-demand 13:18
moritz I'm not that crazy :-) 13:20
arnsholt Good, good =)
moritz I've now set the limit to 50 requests in 15 seconds
that allows loading the front page and then a bit of browsing 13:21
moritz if you get many 403s on the irclog page, please tell me :-) 13:21
we'll see if it actually prevents accidental crawler DOS 13:22
LoRe_ moritz: did bing make a visit to you? 13:23
moritz LoRe_: bing *and* msn 13:23
LoRe_: I've added bing's /16 net to my blacklist
LoRe_ i've created a robots.txt: pb.rbfh.de/cRxXLL6pkubA that helped :) 13:25
moritz LoRe_: the problem is that once it starts hammering the site, it's too late to install a robots.txt 13:26
moritz because it has already fetched the robots.txt, and doesn't feel the need to re-fetch 13:27
LoRe_ yeah, for the current run i blocked them too und unblocked them 24h later, since then it works :)
lizmat r: my %h{Any}; %h<a><b>=1 # could it be that the auto-vivication of object hashes is NYI ? 13:48
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'postcircumfix:<{ }>' for invocant of type 'Mu'␤ in block at /tmp/59VwgIfXOm:1␤␤»
lizmat r: my %h{Str}; %h<a><b>=1 # could it be that the auto-vivication of object hashes is NYI ? 13:49
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'postcircumfix:<{ }>' for invocant of type 'Mu'␤ in block at /tmp/6x0kSaQ9W0:1␤␤»
moritz looks like
lizmat any place in the code I could look at for this? 13:50
moritz src/core/Hash.pm search for TypedHash 13:51
lizmat thanks, will have a stab at it 13:52
arnsholt "Saying Perl is hard to use because of its symbols is like saying Greek is hard to learn because it has a different alphabet." =D 14:01
lizmat afk for a few hours 14:15
geekosaur txt proves people find language hard to use because of all the letters and punctuation. (u agree?) :p 14:17
TimToady always thought it was the phonology, morphology, semantics, and pragmatics that made it hard... 14:28
oh, and syntax
colomon nah, it's just the speling 14:30
TimToady just have to learn speliology then 14:31
nwc10 these days decent version control makes speliology a lot less painful 14:39
TimToady I suspect that visitor-y methods like .values should be allowed to return containers if that's the fastest way to return things that already have containers 14:40
it's the later binding that tends to be readonly or rw
however, for arrays of native types, we can't require that .values return containers, since that would be a lot of extra overhead
in that case, there should probably be a .values-rw that forces containerization 14:41
afk & 14:42
jnthn evening, #perl6 o/ 15:16
colomon \o
PerlJam jnthn: greetings!
FROGGS o/ 15:18
gtodd hmm long ago when IRC was young there was regexp creation race channel 15:59
if I recall .... 16:00
I guess mad regexp skills are so pre y2k ...
daxim rakudo: say Set.WHAT 16:27
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Set)␤»
daxim rakudo: say Set.methods 16:28
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'methods' for invocant of type 'Set'␤ in block at /tmp/8yAiPFQ8jD:1␤␤»
daxim rakudo: say Set.methods()
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'methods' for invocant of type 'Set'␤ in block at /tmp/FqfWSr9GdJ:1␤␤»
daxim rakudo: say Set.^methods
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«default keys values elems exists Bool Numeric Real hash at_key exists_key new BUILD postcircumfix:<( )> iterator list pick roll of Str gist perl elems infinite item fmt Int Num chrs Numeric Str␤»
dalek kudo/jvm-support: 8e54191 | jonathan++ | src/core/ (2 files):
Unbust the Parrot build after JVM tweaks.
 16:32
dalek kudo/jvm-support: c8d0895 | (Donald Hunter)++ | / (3 files):
Added a simple perl6 runner on JVM.
 16:35
kudo/jvm-support: 7e1b46d | (Donald Hunter)++ | tools/build/Makefile-JVM.in:
Add perl6.class to clean.
kudo/jvm-support: aaea644 | jonathan++ | / (3 files):
Merge pull request #140 from donaldh/jvm-support

Added a simple perl6 runner on JVM.
daxim where's the documentation for the Test module? 16:38
[Coke]_ daxim: perlcabal.org/syn/S24.html is the closest I see. 16:46
daxim that suffices, thanks 16:46
[Coke] (probably out of date compared to rakudo's Test.pm - github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/lib/Test.pm 16:47
mucker perl6: sub ∑ { return @_ }; ∑(1,2,3); 16:48
camelia niecza v24-51-g009f999: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Malformed block at /tmp/bvyxHxRmmz line 1:␤------> sub ⏏∑ { return @_ }; ∑(1,2,3);␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
..rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/N3WMiDs_Lh:1␤------> sub ⏏∑ { return @_ }; ∑(1,2,3);␤ expecting any of:␤ statement list␤ prefix or term␤ prefix or meta-prefix␤ new name to be defined␤»…
donaldh jnthn: did you test the runner on Windows? 16:49
[Coke] wonders if anyone would like a hangout in place of a #phaser occasionally. 16:52
donaldh as in G+ ?
jnthn donaldh: Not yet, got a build running of the JVM stuff now 16:53
donaldh :)
jnthn Was just unbusting the Parrot build first.
But feeling hungry, so may go and hunt down some curry and test it after :)
donaldh good call
[Coke] donaldh: they just revamped hangouts, so "yes, sort of" 16:54
donaldh jnthn: what would be most useful to work on next?
jnthn donaldh: In 08b9fff I stubbed some nqp:: ops that are not yet implemented in Ops.java. Same for 029e3ad5. 16:56
(sha1s both in nqp repo)
Alternatively, could work on getting the file/line info incorporated into the backtrace printed by the ExceptionHandling class. 16:57
It's probably a little fun as it needs correlating frames from the Java stack trace with the caller chain of CallFrame. 16:58
donaldh yikes
jnthn ;)
jnthn Well, we have the MethodHandle reachable from each CallFrame, which should help. 16:59
The other thing that would be a startup time improvement would be to look at the code-gen in P6opaque and see when backing classes could be shared.
Though not sure how often that will be...
The alternative is generating them on first instantiation I guess.
donaldh Have you thought about generating more readable class and method names? 17:00
On the java side.
jnthn We could but (a) each compilation unit is a single Java class, so it's hard to know what to call it and we need to make sure they end up unique, and (b) the method names would need mangling 'cus there's various chars you may not have in a Java method name. 17:01
Not to mention the uniqueness thing.
Is there no annotation for "name to show in the debugger", ooc?
[Coke] pony6code
donaldh Sure, was just thinking about incorporating aspects of the compunit filename and method names to aid reading java stack traces.
I'll investigate. 17:02
jnthn Yeah. There's a reason ExceptionHandling tries to do something better than the Java stack trace :)
But I guess for folks wanting to use tools, that ain't such a good story.
It'd be nice if the Indy frames and similar could be hidden also. I dunno what the options are there. 17:03
donaldh I suspect it requires a debugger extension to munge the stacktrace view. Also require an Eclipse extension for source file breakpoints.
jnthn Mmmm...an Eclipse Perl 6 extension... :) 17:04
donaldh Might be something that can be added to E.P.I.C.
jnthn That'd be an E.P.I.C. win... 17:05
donaldh Anyhoo, time to go and 'relax' at a rock climbing wall.
jnthn Have fun
donaldh Might have some hacking calories later.
jnthn too
donaldh bye o/
jnthn o/
dinner &
dalek : e966f41 | (Tobias Leich)++ | Makefile:
add the source files as a dep for their target
 17:08
: a8aff27 | (Tobias Leich)++ | lib/Perl5/ (3 files):
treat $] like a normal variable, so we can export it from Perl5::Terms
: fc0825f | (Tobias Leich)++ | lib/Perl5/ (2 files):
make qr// and m// work

The modifiers are not handled yet.
v5: 6545f9d | (Tobias Leich)++ | lib/Perl5/ (4 files):
daxim I have a module under development. it sits in lib, tests in t. I run prove -e perl6 for TDD. it does not find the module in lib. what do I have to do? prove -l does not help, obviously 17:16
man perl6 doesn't say anything about include dirs 17:18
arnsholt PERL6LIB=lib prove 17:20
Or use ufo and make test =)
daxim tell me more about ufo 17:22
I found its readme. do NOT tell me more about ufo 17:24
arnsholt It's a weird README 17:25
daxim I'm going to be the poopyhead now and say that playfulness in the documentation is over the top for my taste
arnsholt But it autocreates the Makefile for you
daxim pfffff Failed to get the directory contents of 'Subdir': readdir failed: No such file or directory 17:27
daxim rakudo: method Int::is-perfect { say 'fnord' }; 6.is-perfect; 17:35
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Useless declaration of a has-scoped method in mainline␤No such method 'is-perfect' for invocant of type 'Int'␤ in block at /tmp/ZJka2Du4Ou:1␤␤»
daxim how do I add a method to an existing class? 17:36
moritz r: use MONKEY_TYPING; augment class Int { method foolish() { 42 } }; say Int.foolish 17:37
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«42␤»
daxim rakudo: use MONKEY_TYPING; augment class Set { method have-some-more(Str $foo) { say $foo } }; set <fnord quux>.have-some-more('stuff'); 17:40
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Class 'Set' already has a Parrot v-table override for 'invoke'␤»
daxim this error message lacks a remedy
moritz and it looks weird 17:44
you didn't try to override invoke
pmichaud good morning, #perl6 17:49
also, it seems to me that .have-some-more('stuff') would end up working on the list ("fnord", "quux") and not the Set. 17:51
rakudo: <fnord quux>.have-some-more('stuff');
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'have-some-more' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤ in block at /tmp/eF8EbJ8OQH:1␤␤»
pmichaud rakudo: set <fnord quux>.have-some-more('stuff');
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'have-some-more' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤ in block at /tmp/dZiKI59Efs:1␤␤»
pmichaud ...but I guess it never even got that far. 17:52
dalek rl6-roast-data: a6c04d7 | coke++ | / (4 files):
today (automated commit)
 18:01
[Coke] niecza has been dirty for 303 days. pugs has been clean for 3 days. rakudo has been dirty for 12 days. 18:04
rjbs What do dirty and clean mean, here? Passing believed-to-pass tests? 18:05
[Coke] running against roast.
so rakudo has been failing roast spec tests for 12 days in a row. (but, as noted by FROGGS, et al., only on feather, it seems)
I would be happy to use better words than dirty/clean if someone can suggest them. ;) 18:06
pmichaud "dirty" sounds about right to me. 18:07
it's definitely not clean. :)
are the feather failures logged somewhere?
[Coke] raw.github.com/coke/perl6-roast-da...ummary.out is the daily log. there's an RT for this particular failure. 18:09
rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=117957
that first URL looks wrong. raw.github.com/coke/perl6-roast-da...ummary.out 18:10
second is the ticket for that failure with more details.
ah. and that failure has masked other failures. rakudo is now failing 37 tests, up from 36 yesterday, up from 7, up from the 3 I knew about. 18:11
S32-hash/delete-adverb.rakudo S29-os/system.t S09-hashes/objecthash.rakudo 18:12
pmichaud those are useful links... I'll want to review them when I have p6-tuits again. 18:14
gtodd p5eval: perl -E 'foreach (keys %ENV) { say if /PERL*/ } '
p5eval gtodd: ERROR: syntax error at (eval 7) line 1, near "E 'foreach (keys %ENV) { say if /PERL*/ } '"
[Coke] pmichaud: also just added this one:
pmichaud loos like lots of lhf in the summary output
*looks
[Coke] github.com/coke/rakudo-star-daily 18:15
pmichaud \o/ Coke++
[Coke] (more helpfully: github.com/coke/rakudo-star-daily/...dules.log_
(more helpfully: github.com/coke/rakudo-star-daily/...dules.log)
pmichaud "Rakudo Star Daily" sounds like a news service. :)
[Coke] once I have a few days worth of data, I'll see about whipping up a summary file.
heh!
pmichaud I guess I should wander towards my gate so as not to miss my flight. 18:16
bbl
gtodd arrgh sorry bout hat
lizmat [Coke]: S32-hash/delete-adverb.rakudo would be mine, probably 18:17
Ulti mmb.pcb.ub.es/~carlesfe/funnypapers...Comparison 18:18
[Coke] lizmat: is the test failing for you? 18:20
lizmat no, it's not 18:20
[Coke] let me do a run of just that test using the last built version. 18:21
lizmat apart from the warnings, is there something failing there?
[Coke] feather.perl6.nl/~coke/lizmat.out 18:22
Yes.
You sure you pushed everything?
lizmat some of my stuff is still in a pull request :-( 18:23
[Coke] my copy of roast is shown here: github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/b...s_rates#L2 f039dde
lizmat: you should be able to commit directly to roast, no? 18:24
lizmat I guess I forgot to mark some of these tests as todo
yes
[Coke] I thought rakudo proper was the only thing that we needed CLAs for.
lizmat afaik, that's true, I already have a commit bit for e.g. nqp 18:26
moritz lizmat: you even committed to roast before :-) 18:27
roast eq t/spec/
dalek ast: e3e2560 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-hash/delete-adverb.t:
Fudging in delete-adverb tests needed until my pull request is merged

Spotted by [Coke]++		 18:30
lizmat moritz: yes, and quite a few already :-)
lizmat that's what's caused some of the smoke ;-( 18:30
[Coke]: I *think* it is fine now 18:31
grrrs… hold it
[Coke] ooooh, I thought you meant a pull request to ROAST was holding things up. 18:32
still six failures.
dalek ast: f83718b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-hash/delete-adverb.t:
Further fudging of delete-adverb tests
 18:34
[Coke] lizmat++ 18:35
lizmat [Coke]: no, it is a pull request in nom: I hope pmichaud finds the time soon to have a look at it 18:36
[Coke] S09-hashes/objecthash.t - dies after test 25
might need a skip for new tests?
lizmat I don't think I touched that 18:37
fwiw, that doesn't fail for me
[Coke] checking.
5c7b4be9 (Elizabeth Mattijsen 2013-05-14 16:40:50 +0200 75) 18:38
lizmat hmmm.. I changed the plan?
good thing there is git blame
I'll fudge them
is the number in the fudge the number of lines, or the number of tests? 18:41
jnthn tests
lizmat no, it's not, it's lines 18:42
jnthn Oh?
I've always treated it as tests :P
lizmat uncommented lines, actually
the test dies on "my %h{Mu};" 18:43
jnthn r: my %h{Mu}
camelia rakudo 570d1d: ( no output )
lizmat hmmm…. 18:44
jnthn .tell donaldh the runner seems to work fine on Windows
yoleaux jnthn: I'll pass your message to donaldh.
lizmat r: my %h{Mu}; %h{Mu}=2 18:46
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'postcircumfix:<{ }>'; none of these signatures match:␤:(: Mu *%_)␤:(: :p(:$p)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :k(:$k)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :kv(:$kv)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :v(:$v)!, Mu *%_)␤:(: :BIND(:$BIND)!, Mu *%_)␤:(\SELF: $key, Mu *%_)␤:(\SELF: $key, Mu \$BIND, Mu *%_)␤:(\SELF: $k…
lizmat r: my %h{Mu}; say %h{*}
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«␤»
lizmat r: my %h{Mu}; %h<a>=1; say %h{*} 18:47
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«1␤»
dalek ast: e53a16e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S09-hashes/objecthash.t:
Still need to fudge %h{Mu} related tests

Also pending my pull request to nom. [Coke]++ for spotting		 18:49
lizmat [Coke]: good chance it is ok now 18:50
[Coke] lizmat++ 18:53
lizmat sorry for the smoke. Please blame this on getting the workflow going 18:54
[Coke] no worries. 18:55
more concerned about the one that's been failing for 2 weeks. :|
lizmat fwiw, S02-types/bool.t succeeds with me 18:59
also S29-os/system.t 19:00
lizmat r: my %h{Mu}; say %h.WHAT # how am I supposed to find out that "Mu" is what the hash was typed with? 19:12
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Hash+{TypedHash})␤»
jnthn Good question. For the value you use the .of method on the hash. 19:14
er, value type that is.
lizmat hmm… that's in Cool or higher, as I can't find it in ^methods 19:15
unless I use my eyes of course, duh :-(
thanks, jnthn++ 19:16
r: my %h of Mu; say %h.of # makes it much clearer
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤» 19:17
lizmat r: my %h1 of Mu; my %h2{%h1.of} # how to create a hash with the same type as another hash 19:19
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Invalid hash shape; type expected␤»
PerlJam lizmat++ (asking the question I've been wondering about but never got around to asking)
lizmat r: my %h1 of Mu; my %h2 of %h1.of
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/7u7AETCHfg:1␤------> my %h1 of Mu; my %h2 of ⏏%h1.of␤ expecting any of:␤ scoped declarator␤»
lizmat std: my %h1 of Mu; my %h2 of %h1.of 19:20
camelia std 9906f18: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Invalid type name at /tmp/o9paKfWPNN line 1:␤------> my %h1 of Mu; my %h2 of ⏏%h1.of␤ expecting typename␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:00 42m␤»
dalek kudo/jvm-support: 67feb5a | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files):
Fix 'say 42' (and probably loads more).
masak waves tiredly in greeting 19:22
lizmat masak!
tadzik hey masak!
labster masak o/ 19:23
lizmat congratulates jnthn++ and masak++ for bringing home the bacon for yet another day!
jnthn o⁄ masak
labster mmm bacon 19:24
masak hey, thanks.
yeah, today felt good.
teaching JavaScript is weirdly satisfactory.
FROGGS I want bacon, naow 19:25
and eggs
:/
jnthn FROGGS: So grab the frying pan? :)
FROGGS I dont have bacon ó.ò 19:25
nwc10 oooh, numbers 19:25
FROGGS takes a walk to the kitchen 19:26
lizmat you're *that* skinny ?
masak if I backlog #perl6, will I find discussion about the schwern thing?
lizmat no
jnthn The Schwern thing?
PerlJam masak: I hope now. Mostly that's been on #yapc
s/now/not
lizmat this was the first mention, afaik
flussence for some reason that name rings a bell, but not from here 19:27
lizmat and I hope this will be the last: schwern thing
flussence but it sounds like something I don't want to be reminded of anyway 19:28
masak the schwern thing: blog.schwern.net/2013/05/15/yapcna-...ithdrawal/
lizmat *sigh*
gtodd perl -E 'foreach (keys %ENV) { say if /PERL/ }'
sigh 19:29
flussence oh, I must've been thinking of a different name.
tadzik oh ffs
masak tadzik: that's about the size of it.
gtodd EMOUSECUTSEL
tadzik well, I'm still going to go there and be nice to everyone, CoC or not 19:30
sorear let's not have a spillover
skids What's wrong with Corrosion of Conformity :-) 19:31
lizmat tadzik: that's an autopun?
masak I'm sorry. spillover was the last thing I wanted. 19:32
tadzik lizmat: if it is, I didn't notice :)
masak I just think that matters of community maintenance are automatically on-topic here.
skids wonders if TLA saturation follows moore's law.
masak (since it's one of the reasons Perl 6 was created.)
lizmat is repressing the urge to comment 19:33
lizmat r: my %h of Mu; %h.of ~~ m/\w+/; say ~$/ # instead point out some more NYI's / bugs / nags 19:34
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'match' for invocant of type 'Mu'␤ in block at /tmp/_RaQdyyO__:1␤␤»
lizmat r: my %h of Mu; say ~%h.of 19:36
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter ''; expected Any but got Mu instead␤ in sub prefix:<~> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1271␤ in block at /tmp/rR0sj51D6R:1␤␤»
lizmat is trying to figure out a way to create a hash with the same type as another *reliably* 19:37
r: my %h{Int}; say %h.of 19:38
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤»
lizmat giving up for now
flussence just to be clear: are you looking for type constraints on the keys or the values? 19:39
masak lizmat: .clone ?
moritz lizmat: %h{Int} types the keys, .of gives the type constraint of the values
flussence (because "of" doesn't seem to do anything on my end...)
moritz TypedHash doesn't seem to expose the types 19:40
lizmat moritz: aha!
lizmat masak: .clone also copies the contents 19:41
lizmat has a look at the clone code
masak ah, troo. 19:42
I definitely agree that getting a new container with the same .of seems a reasonable thing to do. 19:43
even before I have a concrete use case.
nwc10 jnthn: for Rakudo on the JVM, in the ./perl6 for *nix, you need "" round $@, ie exec java ... perl6 "$@" 19:46
and I have to admit that I prefer the startup speed of NQP 19:47
jnthn .new should do it. If it doesn't, that'd be a bug.
nwc10 I couldn't work out where that ./perl6 comes from
jnthn nwc10: The startup speed of both of them on the JVM sucks at the moment.
nwc10 parrot has to be an order of magniture better for somethign :-) 19:48
masak lizmat: what jnthn++ said. I shoulda thought of that. 19:50
dalek kudo/jvm-support: c52bedd | jonathan++ | tools/build/create-jvm-runner.pl:
Fix runner for *nix; nwc10++.
lizmat r: my %h{Mu}; say %h.WHAT; my %h2=%h.new; say %h2.WHAT; 19:51
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Hash+{TypedHash})␤(Hash)␤»
lizmat the .new loses the Type information :-(
seems it is using the one from Hash: method new(*@args) { @args.hash } 19:52
jnthn lizmat: Yeah, so I notice...
lizmat simply putting a method new in the TypedHash would not solve the pb, I think, as it probably lies deeper, no? 19:53
jnthn Probably we need to look at the way Hash.new works.
lizmat so what *is* the way to get at the Type? ".of" is about constraining the values, as moritz pointed out 19:54
jnthn lizmat: there isn't one implemented. S09 may have one spec'd, but I don't recall it. 19:55
nwc10 Bother: 19:56
nick@raspberrypi:~/test$ ./perl6 -e 'say "Hello portable world"'
Unhandled exception: java.lang.BootstrapMethodError: call site initialization exception in <anon> in <anon>
so much for Java bytecode being portable
jnthn Oddnes. 19:57
nwc10 yes. 19:58
jnthn What does java -version show?
nwc10 Although IIRC that was the exception thrown when I tried to build nqp-jvm on the raspberry pi
java version "1.7.0_03"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.1.7) (7u3-2.1.7-1)
OpenJDK Zero VM (build 22.0-b10, mixed mode)
it was built by this Java: 19:59
java version "1.7.0_19"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (rhel-2.3.9.1.el6_4-x86_64)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.7-b01, mixed mode)
jnthn I actually managed to get the nqp-jvm build to segfault one of the earlier ones in the 7 serious.
*series
nwc10 pwnage!
jnthn Segfaulting the JVM felt like an, uh, achievement...
But it was already fixed in a later version.
nwc10 Sadly the properly sarcastic headline isn't in the URL: www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/15/or...ng_scheme/ -- "Oracle updates Java versioning to allow more security fixes" 20:00
jnthn heh :) 20:01
lizmat r: gist.github.com/lizmat/5594924 20:40
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«("Foo::Bar" => {"perl6" => {}}).hash␤Nominal type check failed for parameter 'lhs'; expected Any but got Mu instead␤ in sub METAOP_TEST_ASSIGN:<//> at src/gen/CORE.setting:13798␤ in sub module2stash at /tmp/_BTgCQ8SZ_:15␤ in block at /tmp/_BTgCQ8SZ_:22␤␤»…
lizmat I'm stumped, haven't been able to simplify this down further :-(
masak '= Any' better written '?'
lizmat that changes things 20:41
masak ah. 20:42
lizmat no it doesn't :-( must put quotes around ?
lizmat ah, ok, gotcha now 20:42
lizmat no changes 20:42
dalek : 5980153 | (Tobias Leich)++ | lib/Perl5/Grammar.nqp:
support ${foo} variable name syntax
 20:44
: 5f94a6c | (Tobias Leich)++ | / (4 files):
move undef to Perl5::Terms
lizmat the lines with return Proxy:new can be removed, it still creates the same error
masak is the sub necessary? 20:46
lizmat masak: do you see anything else wrong with the code ? 20:47
the sub?
masak I mean, does the failing code have to be in a sub?
or can you just set the parameters as variables?
lizmat for testing, yes...
ultimately it has to become a sub
FROGGS r: say "abc" ~~ m?a?g
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Regex not terminated␤at /tmp/9hP6aNAAnu:1␤------> say "abc" ~~ m?a?g⏏<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤ prefix or term␤ prefix or meta-prefix… 20:48
masak lizmat: for the purposes of golfing.
lizmat r: gist.github.com/lizmat/5594924 # golfed 20:50
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/W2J319ZHpe:1␤------> https⏏://gist.github.com/lizmat/5594924 # go␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ postfix␤ infix stopper␤ infix or meta-infix␤ st…
lizmat r: gist.github.com/lizmat/5594924 20:51
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«("Foo::Bar" => {"perl6" => {}}).hash␤Nominal type check failed for parameter 'lhs'; expected Any but got Mu instead␤ in sub METAOP_TEST_ASSIGN:<//> at src/gen/CORE.setting:13798␤ in block at /tmp/FVbfGg38LX:11␤␤»
lizmat grrsss… when using a URL, you can't comment
so: no sub 20:52
masak: you agree that this *should* work? 20:54
masak lizmat: yes, definitely. 21:00
lizmat I'll try to golf it further down
masak r: my $auths = do { my %h{Any} of Hash; %h }; my $versions = $auths{Any}; say "alive" 21:01
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«alive␤»
masak hm.
lizmat down to 5 lines, it is related to %h{Any} being stored as a value in a hash 21:04
masak r: (my %h{Any} of Hash){Any} //= my % 21:07
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter 'lhs'; expected Any but got Mu instead␤ in sub METAOP_TEST_ASSIGN:<//> at src/gen/CORE.setting:13798␤ in block at /tmp/QD7khTjRjR:1␤␤»
masak this is as golf'd as I can get it.
lizmat r: my $froms= do { my %h{Any} of Hash; %h }; $froms<a> //= do { my %h{Any} of Hash; %h }; # my golf 21:08
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter 'lhs'; expected Any but got Mu instead␤ in sub METAOP_TEST_ASSIGN:<//> at src/gen/CORE.setting:13798␤ in block at /tmp/773hQw7_T5:1␤␤»
masak I think that makes it fairly clear that something is Wrong, at least.
jnthn is a little surprised to discover that "use v6;" actually depends on *a gather block*!
o.O
lizmat why would this involve a META op ? 21:09
jnthn The foo= form is a meta-op
timotimo will we be getting a jakudo evalbot thingie for the channel?
jnthn timotimo: Probably, when it's worth having :) 21:10
lizmat ah, of course, yes
dalek p/rak-jvm-support: 0440860 | jonathan++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/nqp/runtime/Ops.java:
Implement nqp::getlexcaller.
 21:11
p/rak-jvm-support: 1baee5d | jonathan++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/nqp/runtime/Ops.java:
Some more decont, tweaks.
lizmat seems to me the code generated isn't getting the left hand side passed to it if the destination is a non-existent hash value on the left 21:12
r: my $froms= do { my %h{Any} of Hash; %h }; $froms<a>=Any; $froms<a> //= do { my %h{Any} of Hash; %h }; say $froms; # works 21:13
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«("a" => {}).hash␤»
lizmat adding a $h<key>=Any apparently creates a container that //= can find 21:14
r: my %h{Any}; %h<a> //= "a" #golfed shortest 21:16
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter 'lhs'; expected Any but got Mu instead␤ in sub METAOP_TEST_ASSIGN:<//> at src/gen/CORE.setting:13798␤ in block at /tmp/Q3e_ebVOMA:1␤␤»
lizmat r: my %h{Any}; %h<a>=Any; %h<a> //= "a" #golfed shortest
camelia rakudo 570d1d: ( no output )
dalek kudo/jvm-support: b47f7a3 | jonathan++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/rakudo/Ops.java:
Implement nqp::p6recont_ro.
lizmat masak: rakudobug?
masak submits 21:17
lizmat masak++ 21:18
BTW, same goes for ||= and &&=
also note that there is no problem if the hash is not typed 21:19
jnthn Possible patch (please somebody else try it) for the lizmat++ bug: gist.github.com/jnthn/5595193
[Coke] jnthn: is there anyone aside from you who can wrangle GC bugs that pass through sixmodel's PMC's destroy() vtable? 21:20
lizmat jnthn: I'll try that
jnthn [Coke]: Somewhere in the world, probably... :) 21:21
jnthn [Coke]: is it a double free happening inside there? 21:21
adu hi jnthn
jnthn o/ adu
adu how goes? 21:22
[Coke] jnthn: aye.
jnthn Tiredly...
[Coke] er... at one point it presented as a double free, anyway.
jnthn [Coke]: A while back I tried and failed to hunt one of those. I got it down to being related to mixins and bigints interacting interestingly.
adu o right, Europe time
[Coke] current error was: *** glibc detected *** ./perl6: free(): invalid next size (fast): 21:23
jnthn [Coke]: As in, those seemed to be the ingredients. I never managed to get down to the exact issue. 21:23
[Coke] rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=117957 is the ticket if, you know, you have spare time. :)
jnthn ;)
[Coke] I don't think there are any bigints near this one. 21:24
~~ 21:26
sdo hello 21:37
lizmat hi sdo!
kurahaupo sdo: hi 21:38
sdo lizmat: hi kurahaupo: I am reading at this time UsingPerl6
masak hi, sdo.
sdo hi masak:
lizmat jnthn: alas, no change 21:40
sdo and I was wondering is Perl6 can be considered as a program that can allow constraint programing as can do ada the NG?
sorear
.oO( solar observation spacecraft studying perl 6 )
sdo NG: Next Generation
jnthn lizmat: Hmm...OK, then it's not that I thought it was. That patch feels needed even if not sufficient, mind...
lizmat ok 21:42
sdo the book UsingPerl6 is good but hard to assimilate
adu sdo: Ada95?
sdo no ADA 2012
adu I'm not familiar with that
sdo as far as I know Ada 95 is full object 21:43
adu sdo: what do you mean constraint programing? 21:44
lizmat jnthn: did you catch me saying that this happens if the key is not in the hash yet? If you do %h<key>=Any first, it doesn't happen
sdo sub circle-radius-from-area(Real $area where { $area >= 0 }) {($area / pi).sqrt} say circle-radius-from-area(3); # OK
lizmat fwiw: now that I know what the problem is, I can work around it 21:45
jnthn lizmat: Yes, which led me to suspect busted auto-viv things, which I thought the patch I suggested may fix. But it seems not.
sdo I mean to certify that an object respect constraint
lizmat jnthn: but doesn't at_key return Mu if the key doesn't exist?
jnthn lizmat: It should return a con...oh...wait a moment... 21:46
FROGGS sdo: I believe you can do that with perl6
sdo that's perl 6 21:46
FROGGS jnthn: dary?
adu sdo: there is something called "as"
lizmat r: my %h{Mu}; say %h.at_key("a") # typed hash returns Mu, not Any
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤»
FROGGS what is a condary?
jnthn lizmat: no, I though it may be missing "is rw" on those at_pos methods...but it ain't... 21:47
adu sdo: wait, apparently there is a "where" also 21:48
jnthn FROGGS: What?
sdo I don't know about as because I am at page 42
FROGGS jnthn: just a joke (legen... dary)
r: sub a ( Int $a where $a > 5 ) { say $a }; a( 42 )
lizmat r: my %h; say %h.at_key("a") # untyped hash returns Any
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«42␤»
rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
FROGGS r: sub a ( Int $a where $a > 5 ) { say $a }; a( 2 )
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Constraint type check failed for parameter '$a'␤ in sub a at /tmp/rhXNBbSHrO:1␤ in block at /tmp/rhXNBbSHrO:1␤␤»
jnthn r: my %h{Mu}; say %h.at_key("a")
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤»
jnthn r: my %h; say %h.at_key("a")
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
FROGGS sdo: see? works 21:49
jnthn lizmat: ah...sorry, I'm really slow tonight :)
lizmat I'm very glad that you're here at all! :-) jnthn++
jnthn r: my %h{Mu} of Any; say %h.at_key("a")
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤»
jnthn r: my Any %h{Mu}; say %h.at_key("a") 21:49
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
jnthn ahya
hmmmm.
lizmat: Take two: gist.github.com/jnthn/5595395 21:50
masak 'night, #perl6 21:51
adu omg, this syntax just blew up my mind: $obj = { pair 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 }
lizmat night masak!
FROGGS I think I've got a fix for: "abc" ~~ m?abc?
lizmat jnthn: testing
r: my $obj = { pair 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 }; say $obj 21:52
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared routine:␤ pair used at line 1. Did you mean '&pairs'?␤␤»
dalek rl6-bench: 00d48f6 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | analyze:
Untabify analyze
 21:53
rl6-bench: 3d439fb | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | analyze:
Allow individual Perls to be clicked on and off using legend in plots
rl6-bench: 77647e8 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | README:
Update dates in README a bit
rl6-bench: 323bde2 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | README:
Small tweaks to README to make it work better as Markdown using: `pandoc -s --toc -f markdown -o README.html README`
labster If I have a statement like `my Cool $foo = 3;`, how do I get the container type from $foo (i.e. Cool instead of Int)? 21:59
FROGGS r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.^WHAT 22:00
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Cannot use .^ on a non-identifier method call␤at /tmp/j0QRyDKbzc:1␤------> my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.^WHAT⏏<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ method arguments␤»
FROGGS r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.WHAT
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«(Int)␤»
jnthn r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.VAR.of
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'of' for invocant of type 'Scalar'␤ in block at /tmp/MObM9NlnUX:1␤␤»
jnthn r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.VAR.type
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'type' for invocant of type 'Scalar'␤ in block at /tmp/BEGDxZB9oO:1␤␤»
jnthn hmm :)
FROGGS r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.VAR.^methods
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Int Num Rat FatRat abs Bridge chr sqrt base expmod is-prime floor round ceiling sign conj rand sin asin cos acos tan atan atan2 sec asec cosec acosec cotan acotan sinh asinh cosh acosh tanh atanh sech asech cosech acosech cotanh acotanh unpolar cis Complex log exp …
FROGGS r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.VAR.^attr
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'attr' for invocant of type 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'␤ in block at /tmp/DYucNTlMtc:1␤␤»
jnthn r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.VAR.name
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«$foo␤» 22:01
jnthn well, that's something... :)
FROGGS hehe
FROGGS r: my Cool $foo = 3; say $foo.VAR.^attributes 22:01
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«No such method 'gist' for invocant of type 'BOOTSTRAPATTR'␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:5259␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:893␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:10920␤ in block at /tmp/4GXaMOXpbC:1␤␤»
FROGGS sad
lizmat Success, jnthn++ 22:02
FROGGS r: my Cool $foo = 3; print $foo.VAR.^attributes
camelia rakudo 570d1d: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '$got'; expected Any but got BOOTSTRAPATTR instead␤ in method REIFY at src/gen/CORE.setting:6571␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.setting:5650␤ in method gimme at src/gen/CORE.setting:6058␤ in method print at src/gen/CORE…
labster This is related to fixing RT#93980 , assigning Nil to that would set it to Cool
lizmat jnthn: will run a spectest now to see if it doesn't break anything 22:02
will let you know tomorrow, ok?
jnthn lizmat: ok 22:03
FROGGS, labster: gist.github.com/jnthn/5595470
Sleep time for me... 'night
lizmat night jnthn, sleep tight!
jnthn hope so :)
o/
labster night, thanks
lizmat also calling it a night, cu all tomorrow! 22:05
adu omg Ada2012 has a video 22:38
we should make a video for Perl6
just have a bunch of people send me interviews with themselves, then I could splice it together and add soundtrack 22:39
timotimo ... interviews? why not ... space stations and guitars? 22:41
FROGGS I sold my guitar ages ago :/
timotimo a friend of mine recently introduced me to the erlang movie and its "sequel"
flussence if you want to impress lots of people with a programming language, give them something made in it that runs at 60fps. 22:43
timotimo i don't quite see that happen with perl6 soon :| 22:46
flussence probably not, but it's something to aim for
FROGGS not at 60fps, no
flussence (took a while before Javascript could do that, too)
timotimo and now there's asm.js and we have unreal engine stuff running in browsers, that's pretty crazy 22:47
avuserow good *, #perl6 :) 22:49
adu timotimo: have you seen this? bellard.org/jslinux/
labster hello avuserow
avuserow hey labster, how's it going? 22:51
labster pretty good: jnthn++ gave me some code I needed to solve a problem, and I'm going to YAPC:NA. How about you? 22:52
avuserow not much here, wrapping up $dayjob soon. I've been enjoying watching jnthn++'s progress on the JVM port too. 22:54
and I am planning on going to YAPC::NA. Unfortunately I have to leave wednesday evening but I'll be around starting on Saturday, assuming I get my hotel plans figured out
adu flussence: you mean a first person shooter? or frames per second? 22:57
adu flussence: also, it depends on the setup, because povray is a very nice language, but it usually runs at around 0.00000000001 fps 22:58
FROGGS frames per seconds I think 22:59
adu FROGGS: I think first person shooter would also fit the theme of the statement 23:00
adu is moritz here? 23:06
FROGGS adu: already sleeping I suppose
labster what does 'is pure' mean in rakudo? 23:25
FROGGS I believe "having no side effects" 23:32

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