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Set by moritz on 3 May 2013.
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timotimo r: macro foo() { }; foo; 00:05
camelia rakudo b2072f: ( no output )
lue r: macro foo ($flag) { quasi { say 42 } if $flag }; foo(1); 00:07
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«42␤»
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dalek ecza: 88ee1d8 | (Solomon Foster)++ | src/niecza:
%*CUSTOM_LIB needs to be in @*INC, too.

Not that @*INC actually works in Niecza, but this patch has the same effect.		 00:24
colomon afk # heading to figure out how to go to the pub 00:28
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dalek rl6-roast-data: ff5de20 | coke++ | / (4 files):
today (automated commit)
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xilo r: 00:58
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[Coke] (has a 1 at the end) - oh, like you need to add defensively to avoid sink context woes? ;) 01:02
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dalek kudo-star-daily: ff4acf2 | coke++ | log/ (5 files):
today (automated commit)
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masak lue: that's a bug. 02:30
masak submits rakudobug
or, hm. 02:31
I'm not sure.
but it's worth filing anyway :)
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jnthn sorear: On IDE, I was using Eclipse. But these days am back to just normal editor. On dumping, there's no current way to dump them aside from those things that have a .dump method already. 02:41
(Though we could add some REPR-level dumping support quite easily I guess...)
(I just never needed it to debug stuff...)
sorear I see 02:46
lots of room for me to add stuff :) 02:47
jnthn Yes :) 02:52
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masak r: grammar Brackets::Balanced { token TOP { ^ <balanced>? $ }; token balanced { '[' <balanced>? ']' <balanced>? }; method ACCEPTS($string) { ?self.parse($string) } }; say "[][]" ~~ Brackets::Balanced; say "][" ~~ Brackets::Balanced 02:56
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«True␤False␤»
masak cackles
sorear where are masakjnthn now? 02:58
masak I... almost find myself wishing that was built into grammars.
sorear: doubletree.
room.
sorear ah. 02:59
sorear still in lobby
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Jimmy__ [Coke]: github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/1b...nt-3337328 03:40
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dalek : a411981 | (Tobias Leich)++ | Makefile:
added "make path/to/testfile.t"-option
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: 659a3cc | (Tobias Leich)++ | / (2 files):
remove color codes better
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dalek nda: 815fab5 | dukeleto++ | README.md:
[doc] Make reference links render more nicely
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moritz good morning 04:51
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masak moritz: good night ;) 04:52
'night, #perl6
moritz good knight, masak 04:54
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colomon \o 05:04
pmichaud o/ 05:06
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colomon How was Hula Hut? 05:08
PerlJam g'night from the dorms all :) See y'all tomorrow! 05:09
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pmichaud pretty nice 05:09
food was quite good, conversations were tasty also
colomon I had a fine time at the Irish pub, played music for three hours and got to catch up with some old acquaintances. 05:10
pmichaud niiiiice
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pmichaud I think I'm off to sleep --- bbl 05:12
colomon ditto 05:13
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moritz .tell masak this one was written for you, I believe: www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/ 07:05
yoleaux moritz: I'll pass your message to masak.
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mathw Good morning #perl6 09:03
moritz \o mathw 09:06
mathw hi moritz 09:14
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atroxaper Does anybody know where i can read about command line options standard? 10:52
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Ulti atroxaper do you mean command line flags in general what format they should take? 10:53
like single or double - etc.
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Doom-RiderZ anyone here , 10:54
atroxaper Ulti: yes. I'm going to write smart parser.
Doom-RiderZ: o/ 10:55
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Ulti atroxaper Getopt is the defacto standard afaik 10:55
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atroxaper I thinks yes. I just want to train my perl6 and i'm interested in command line parser. 10:58
Ulti atroxaper: I guess take a look at what MAIN does for you for free in perl6 as a start
not sure if the perl6 spec defines binding a hash or an array
like getopts long in perl5 10:59
atroxaper I look MAIN function already, yes. It isn't too reach like getopts. 11:00
eternaleye Ulti: P6 allows you to specify via function signatures, and even do multi dispatch. 11:01
Ulti eternaleye: yeah, but does it let you do something like --key=val1 --key=val2 to bind a hash called key in the parameter list of MAIN? 11:02
well more like --hash=key,val even 11:03
Ulti plays to find out
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Ulti hmm weird I keep getting the usage string telling me it needs an associative value passed in but no idea on the format 11:12
atroxaper Do you read perl6maven.com/parsing-command-line...ents-perl6 ? 11:14
Ulti atroxaper: that doesnt have an example of passing in a hash value? 11:15
moritz looking at src/core/Main.pm, it seems to have no idea how to turn anything into a hash
atroxaper no... 11:16
Ulti doesn't tell you it can't though just that you haven't passed in an associative value :S
^latest rakudo*
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moritz r: sub MAIN(%h) { } 11:17
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ /tmp/vSLsq1C6Xb <h> ␤»
Ulti I did :%h so it was a named parameter rather than positional 11:18
r: sub MAIN(:%h) {} 11:20
camelia rakudo b2072f: ( no output )
Ulti I get ./opts.p6 [--hash=<Associative>] for my snipped which is just that main with a say %hash.perl on the inside 11:21
moritz r: sub MAIN(:%h!) {} 11:22
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ /tmp/BHTxGFE3eO -h=<Associative> ␤»
atroxaper I how we can pass values to that? ) 11:28
moritz 13:15 < moritz> looking at src/core/Main.pm, it seems to have no idea how to turn anything into a hash
by patching rakudo
Ulti :)
atroxaper Oh. I see. Thank! moritz, maybe you know where i can see standard for command line arguments? 11:29
moritz S19 is the spec, but I don't know how detailed it is 11:30
Ulti yeah weird even slurping into a hash doesn't work but does work for a list, guess hashes and lists aren't even vaguely the same in perl6
thats in the synopsis for MAIN too
moritz it only outlines doing something like MAIN(*%options) 11:31
this feels like the sort of patch I might actually be able to pull off... 11:33
nwc10 "I love it when a patch comes together"? 11:34
Ulti yeah in fact the TODO says everything I tried is needed like giving quoted perl6 literals and comma delimited lists 11:41
colomon is trying to figure out why the new modules aren't showing up in the smoke results. 11:46
arnsholt o/
colomon well, to be precise, I know why Phaser::ATEXIT didn't show up, and I fixed that. But I can't figure out why Image::Resize didn't show up. 11:47
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moritz does it appear in the emmentaler json output? 11:54
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colomon nope 11:55
moritz maybe the projects.json list wasn't up to date when running emmentaller? 11:56
colomon the smoke script grabs the latest projects.json from feather before it starts 11:57
Image::Resize isn't there.
feather.perl6.nl:3000/projects.json 11:58
moritz 1;0 moritz@feather:~$ sudo netstat -tulpen|grep 3000 11:59
[sudo] password for moritz:
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1002 626677 20722/perl
1;0 moritz@feather:~$ ps aux | grep 20722
tjs 20722 0.0 0.4 17828 5508 pts/1 S+ Feb07 0:07 perl modules/bin/app.pl
so, a job for tadzik to figure out
colomon that means feather is working normally? 12:00
(I mean, for these purposes.)
moritz I just tracked down the process listening on port 3000 to tjs aka tadzik, nothing more
colomon moritz: ah! 12:02
moritz it seems the meta list updates once per day
maybe it just ran when github had a hiccup
moritz runs it again
.ask tadzik if the code behind feather.perl6.nl:3000 is on github, and if yes, where? (and if not, could you please publish it?) 12:04
yoleaux moritz: I'll pass your message to tadzik.
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jnthn yawns 12:41
colomon \o 12:42
moritz o/ 12:43
lizmat is eating yellow Rainier cherries
dalek kudo/jvm-support: 623eeb3 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Metamodel/ (2 files):
Add a couple of missing .^mro methods.
jnthn is in the hotel room, enjoying the cool and still waking up :)
.oO( I love the smell of MOP patches in the morning... )
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arnsholt jnthn: Update on the stuff we talked about yesterday, the storage_spec for the native callsite is flagged as inlineable 12:46
$9 = {inlineable = 1, bits = 512, align = 8, boxed_primitive = 0, can_box = 0}
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nwc10 jnthn: hotel aircon better than conference aircon? 12:50
lizmat hotel aircon is louder 12:51
arnsholt That's true
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nwc10 YAPC Noisy Aircon? 12:53
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jnthn arnsholt: Hm, interesting... 13:02
colomon rn: say "t/spec".path.WHAT
jnthn Heading to venue, bbs
camelia niecza v24-57-g88ee1d8: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method path in type Str␤ at /tmp/os1Cnh3aZS line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4341 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4342 (module-CORE @ 582) ␤ at /home/p…
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«(IO::Path)␤»
colomon is Str.path really supposed to be there?
It's not mentioned in S32/Str 13:03
moritz it's probably in IO somewhere
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moritz but yes, it's supposed to be there 13:03
and if it's not specced, it needs to be specced
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pmichaud good morning, #perl6 13:21
I prepared a response to the podcast transcribed at gist.github.com/ribasushi/5670006 13:22
my draft reply is at gist.github.com/pmichaud/339fed007ee7e1239e1a 13:23
comments welcomed
daxim drama! 13:24
pmichaud haven't decided whether to post it yet (e.g. on my blog), but it was a topic yesterday at the hackathon and dinner so I thought I'd at least draft a response and see how it looked.
I'm heading to conference venue... bbiab
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sorear good * #perl6 13:37
tadzik hello #perl6 13:39
yoleaux 12:04Z <moritz> tadzik: if the code behind feather.perl6.nl:3000 is on github, and if yes, where? (and if not, could you please publish it?)
tadzik yoleaux: no, yes. I shall
er
moritz: not on github, I will publish it soonish 13:40
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sorear o/ tadzik 13:45
tadzik oh hai
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masak mornin', mornin', mornin', all y'all 13:56
yoleaux 07:05Z <moritz> masak: this one was written for you, I believe: www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/
colomon o/
masak moritz: indeed; I found it yesterday. fantastic. 13:57
moritz: not enough focus on the rhombic board common in Hex, but otherwise really really nice.
moritz: I'm hoping for a future web with slick interactive diagrams like that.
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avuserow masak, moritz: regarding hexagon grids, I found this recently: keekerdc.com/2011/03/hexagon-grids-...culations/ 14:03
(dunno if that's the sort of thing you're interested in regarding them) 14:05
colomon pmichaud: looks like a good response to me.
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dalek ecza: 7c7c2ff | (Solomon Foster)++ | lib/CORE.setting:
Add Str.path.

Doesn't really do the right thing, as it's not an IO::Path, but it works well enough for many purposes.		 14:18
ecza: ae1f8dc | (Solomon Foster)++ | src/niecza:
Basic support for PERL6LIB.
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masak pmichaud++ # "I frankly think it's hugely disrespectful" @ gist.github.com/pmichaud/339fed007ee7e1239e1a 14:19
pmichaud++ # last paragraph of gist.github.com/pmichaud/339fed007ee7e1239e1a
Teratogen hello
masak avuserow: looks interesting. thank you. 14:20
atroxaper Does anybody know why example from perl6advent.wordpress.com/2009/12/0...4-testing/ doesn't work? I got "Calling 'fac' will never work with argument types (str) (lines 16, 16)\n\tExpected: :(Int $n)". But if i make separate module with fac and separate file with tests all tests works well. 14:21
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moritz atroxaper: the problem is that when I wrote that code, we didn't have any detection of argument type mismatches at compile time 14:25
atroxaper: so the last line used to complain at run time
atroxaper: now it complains at compile time, which makes the whole test file not run
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moritz atroxaper: so now you'd have to write eval_dies_ok q[fac('oh noes i am a string')], 'Can only call it with ints'; 14:26
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atroxaper moritz, thaks! It remains to understand why i have to use that brackets xD 14:29
moritz atroxaper: it's just a convenient way to create a string with single quotes inside 14:30
atroxaper Oh... it just string parameter.
moritz you can write "fac('...')" if you prefer
atroxaper Yes. I understood already. Thank you. 14:31
moritz, but why it was work with separate files? 14:32
moritz atroxaper: it shouldn't. What exactly did you do? 14:33
daxim I'm packaging nqp-2013.05, I get this rpmlint warning: paste.scsys.co.uk/252884 14:34
is it justified or spurious?
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atroxaper one file: " use v6; module Mo; our sub fac(int $n) {[*] 1..$n;} " second file " use v6; use Mo; use Test; plan 1; dies_ok { Mo::fac('oh noes i am a string') }, 'Can only call it with ints'; " 14:36
moritz atroxaper: ah, I guess it doesn't check arguments of functions from namespaces at compile time 14:37
atroxaper moritz, cool sideeffect xD 14:38
moritz atroxaper: we tend to use lexical functions and export/import them in Perl 6 14:40
atroxaper moritz, ok. I'll read about that. 14:44
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samlh pmichaud: s/vanguished/vanquished/ 15:23
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colomon o\ from the p6 room 15:24
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geekosaur anguished vanquishment? 15:28
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colomon labster: does dir return IO::Paths now? 15:33
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colomon labster: okay, I looked at the spec. 15:40
this is a complication
pmichaud daxim: I've not seen that warning before.
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daxim what should I do? 15:40
pmichaud daxim: I'm not sure. I don't know who may have been running rpmlint. 15:44
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pmichaud looking 15:45
daxim en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_...able-stack www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/gnu-stack.xml fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_tr...able_stack 15:46
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sqirrel hey there, someone seen froggs? 15:48
moritz .seen FROGGS 15:49
yoleaux I saw FROGGS 2 Jun 2013 22:44Z in #perl6: <FROGGS> maybe you have to read that backwards
pmichaud daxim: do any of the other files give that error, or just nqp_dyncall_ops.* ?
colomon I saw FROGGS in the room about ten minutes ago...
daxim just that file
colomon and he's still there.
labster: starting to steal your code for Niecza now. :)
pmichaud that's... a little bizarre 15:50
sqirrel @colomon please tell him to contact me
labster colomon: cool
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pmichaud jnthn: can you think of any reason why nqp_dyncall.ops would want its stack to be marked as executable? 15:51
colomon sqirrel: it's a lecture, and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get his attention without making a fuss
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colomon sqirrel: I think labster++ may have just done it. 15:51
sqirrel ah no problem it isnt that urgent
labster I'm sitting next to him and got his attention 15:53
sqirrel its just that he contacts me after the lecture, i just want to ask him something, its no matter of life and death, we are all ok over here :-) 15:55
jnthn pmichaud: Well, I guess dyncall must do fairly dynamic stuff with the C stack if it's FFI stuff
sqirrel thx labster
jnthn I'm not sure why it'd actually want to execute code on the stack
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pmichaud I'm wondering why the nqp ops would want it, though. 15:55
as opposed to dyncall itself.
arnsholt Isn't libdyncall statically linked in?
jnthn pmichaud: Well, dyncall is statically linked into the .ops file 15:56
pmichaud aha
that would possibly explain it
jnthn uh, the dyncall_ops lib
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pmichaud daxim: I'm guessing "justified" then. 15:56
daxim ok
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FROGGS hi there 15:59
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tadzik hi here :) 16:01
pmichaud any last comments on my blog post draft? if no, I'll post it here in a bit.
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daxim yes, s/conquerer/conqueror/ 16:02
[Coke] url?
tadzik gist.github.com/pmichaud/339fed007ee7e1239e1a
daxim [15:23] <pmichaud> my draft reply is at gist.github.com/pmichaud/339fed007ee7e1239e1a
pmichaud japhb's talk is.... terrific. 16:03
[Coke] ah, found it. also tadzik++
also daxim++
skids wonders how Int(-1).msb is specced. 16:04
pmichaud it's quite a good overview of where things stand, and also a good overview of what talks to go see later in the conference to learn more on related topics
it's really... nice that he did that in his talk and that his talk came before others 16:05
japhb++
moritz nr: say (-1).msb 16:06
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-59-gae1f8dc: OUTPUT«0␤»
skids nr: say (0).msb 16:07
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-59-gae1f8dc: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
skids So 1s complement.
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colomon Serialization Error: could not locate static code ref for closure '' 16:12
build stage failed for GD::Raw: Failed building lib/GD/Raw.pm
:(
passes all tests if you run directly instead of building.
jnthn Hmm. 16:13
pmichaud why "Task::Star"? Maybe "Bundled::Star"? 16:14
[Coke] Task is a thing.
jnthn Prolly inspired by Task::Kensho and so forth 16:15
tadzik I was imitating CPAN
yeah
[Coke] e.g. search.cpan.org/~coke/Task-Parrot-0.../Parrot.pm
daxim p3rl.org/Task#DESCRIPTION
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tadzik somebody's building Star it seems, right during the talk. Awesomeness 16:17
pmichaud or maybe "Distribution::Star" ?
dalek p/rak-jvm-support: 0255fc8 | (Pawel Murias)++ | src/QAST/VM.nqp:
Dump the contents of QAST::VM nodes when dumping the ast.
p/rak-jvm-support: b0d3b9c | jonathan++ | src/QAST/VM.nqp:
Merge branch 'master' into rak-jvm-support
pmichaud I'm fine with Task::... just from a non-p5-module background it doesn't quite read right to me. 16:18
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dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 46 commits to rakudo/jvm-support by jnthn 16:18
tadzik Bundle is also a thing (on CPAN), I'm fine with renaming it
PerlJam Task is the better Bundle
lizmat r: say rx:i/jrandom/ # shouldn't this say "(Regex)" 16:19
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«␤»
[Coke] r: say rx:i/jrandom/.WHAT 16:20
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«(Regex)␤»
tadzik r: say rx:i/jrandom/.perl
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«regex(Mu : Mu *%_) { ... }␤»
[Coke] is the .gist of a Regex defined?
r: say rx:i/jrandom/.Str 16:21
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«␤»
timotimo is the execution timing of "where" clauses in different places specced? 16:22
like, is the optimizer allowed to leave out executions or do them earlier or something?
jnthn Optimizer is allowed to analyze stuff there. 16:23
timotimo that's nice to know 16:24
i wonder how complicated it is to do proper inspection of simpler where clauses, like where * < 10 and such (but that seems like something for in two years)
and maybe not even helpful most of the time 16:27
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jnthn japhb++ # awesome 16:32
tadzik excellent talk
colomon japhb++ # well done
FROGGS japhb++
tadzik japhb++
avuserow japhb++ # good talk
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jnthn r: say sub { } 16:34
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«sub() { ... }␤»
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jnthn r: say ~ sub { } 16:34
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«␤»
timotimo is there live streaming perchance? 16:35
colomon timotimo: yes
timotimo aaw, i wish i'd known beforehand 16:36
what was it about?
"Installing and Using Perl 6 Modules‎" this one? 16:37
avuserow timotimo: www.yapcna.org/yn2013/talk/4695
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avuserow timotimo: yes 16:37
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timotimo which stream will give me masak and perl6 oo without o_o and will that be in 15 minutes? 16:37
btyler timotimo: new.livestream.com/accounts/4219145...s/20570839 16:38
colomon timotimo: you might be able to see the back of my head! (If so, probably creates terrible glare...) 16:39
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PerlJam IS there a list of the live streams? 16:39
btyler PerlJam: www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=TalkVideos 16:40
cross reference that with the schedule: www.yapcna.org/yn2013/schedule for best results
PerlJam btyler: thanks
btyler it isn't obvious how to find them, I ended up digging them up on twitter
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btyler but I'm glad I did, really enjoying things so far 16:41
timotimo this livestream page has confused me almost endlessly 16:42
but now i can see the video! that's masak!
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PerlJam btyler: now I can live stream one room while I'm in another :) 16:44
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timotimo i'm a bit annoyed that i only get sound in one ear :( 16:44
btyler timotimo: same issue on all the streams, a steam admin mentioned that he/she was looking into it in the main stage chat 16:46
timotimo gaaah why is it buffering every few seconds ;_;
my internet connection is super awesome regularly and i can't imagine livestream.com is having trouble serving people
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timotimo the DVR functionality doesn't work at all either 16:47
the usual trick of pausing and resuming twenty/thirty seconds later doesn't help either 16:48
PerlJam timotimo: probably bandwidth problems locally. (too many people streaming) 16:49
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dalek kudo/jvm-support: 2367dad | jonathan++ | src/vm/parrot/ModuleLoaderVMConfig.nqp:
Fix a merge-o.
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timotimo i'll try to watch japhb's talk instead 17:02
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timotimo "there was an error", yay 17:03
and of course there's no download button 17:04
tadzik where do we go eating? 17:05
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timotimo all i could make out from the talk was that masak wasn't eaten yet. that's good 17:06
colomon niecza> IO::Path.new("Thisismy/filename")
Path<Thisismy/filename>
FROGGS cool
labster sweet
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dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 173 commits to rakudo/nom by jnthn 17:09
Heuristic branch merge: pushed 148 commits to nqp by jnthn
flussence omgomgomgjvm? 17:10
jnthn JVM work will now proceed in the master branch of NQP and the nom branch of Rakudo
flussence yaaaaaaay
jnthn This doesn't mean things are magically complete, just that there's no need for a branch.
colomon \o/
jnthn lunch &
flussence jnthn++ xx 173+148 17:11
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[Coke] jnthn++ 17:15
timotimo grr. livestream is keeping me from my streams :( 17:19
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diakopter timotimo ? 17:29
timotimo: ?
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timotimo diakopter: i get thrown off the stream for 5-15 seconds at a time and when i try to use the "dvr rewind" functionality it just jumps back to live. when i try to watch a previously streamed recording, it gives me a very unhelpful "there was an error" message 17:33
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diakopter timotimo: people with linux are reporting problems like that; people on mac and windows aren't 17:35
afaik 17:36
timotimo oh, good. i'll boot my windows then
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timotimo i wonder why it would break, considering it's flash 17:40
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geekosaur because flash on linux is even suckier than flash in general? 17:42
timotimo it's almost exactly as sucky 17:43
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timotimo doesn't work on windows either fwiw 17:43
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dalek rl6-roast-data: c4aaed8 | coke++ | / (4 files):
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[Coke] it is desired that rakudo's ConfigureJVM.pl support --gen-nqp, aye? 18:06
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[Coke] opens a ticket for it 18:09
raiph www.reddit.com/r/readablecode/comme..._readable/ # re masak's latest balanced bracket parser 18:10
eternaleye raiph: ...Maybe it didn't get attention because you invite people to post if they *don't* agree, and everyone agreed! :P 18:14
(Yes, I know, everybody on reddit agreeing is not a likely explanation for anything) 18:15
Anyway, I'd personally have titled it "What do you think about this regex syntax", which makes it look less like a "how did I do" question and more of a "what are your aesthetic opinions about a design" 18:16
[Coke] just got a build failure in nqp master running on java with "make -j3" 18:20
finishing with "make" seems to have avoided the issue 18:21
Can someone install java 1.7 on feather? 18:22
(in anticipation of rakudo-jvm roasting) 18:23
[Coke] thinks rakudo-java is slightly better choice there and will use that going forward.
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timotimo now that i finally was able to see it: thanks masak, liked the talk :) 18:31
[Coke] cannot build rakudo-java at the moment: 18:33
make
nqp/install/nqp --target=classfile --output=blib/Perl6/Grammar.class --encoding=utf8 \ src/Perl6/Grammar.nqp
^[[6~java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
timotimo hehe
[Coke] <sadface>
timotimo oh java, you silly thin
silly thing*
[Coke] This is nqp version 2013.05-151-gb0d3b9c built on JVM 18:34
timotimo sadly not able to watch the perl6 modules talk by japhb :( 18:40
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colomon o/ 18:52
dalek : 9353bdf | (Tobias Leich)++ | / (2 files):
allow infix != without space before and after
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FROGGS sqirrel_: \o/ 18:55
sqirrel_: I made photos of the squirrels here at the campus :o)
sqirrel_ \o 18:56
FROGGS basically I made three photos of one eating squirrel
sqirrel_ Froggs: cookieman will be over the moon about it 18:57
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jnthn [Coke]: Yes, --gen-nqp is desirable for ConfigureJVM.pl 19:03
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eiro FROGGS: i read your lines and tried to ldd moarvm and tried 19:05
perl -E 'print "$_ " for `ldd ./moarvm` =~ /(\S+) =>/g'
linux-gate.so.1 libpthread.so.0 libm.so.6 libc.so.6
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eiro # no apr at all so it *is* statically compiler 19:05
s/r$/d
FROGGS which does not work on my box for some reason 19:06
so, what is your os and arch?
eiro linux uname -a
Linux toad 3.5.0-27-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 25 20:00:05 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
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FROGGS ahh, what I thought, you are on a 32bit platform 19:07
eiro FROGGS: are you sure apr dev files are not installed in your system ?
FROGGS apr dev files are installed 19:08
eiro yep but what's the point there ?
jnthn There's an apr bundled in the Moar repo at the moment also
FROGGS it can't resolv a single symbol (about uuid_generate or so), when I use the static libapr-1 lib
eiro jnthn: the one i used. my patch was about making it work
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jnthn eiro: Yes, that's how I understand your patch. 19:09
FROGGS the patch you did is a partial revert of mine
eiro FROGGS: i'm really sorry about it but i just don't know how to do better 19:10
FROGGS I'm not really happy with it, we should either revert mine in total or find the correct way to support 32 and 64bit archs
eiro: me neither
but maybe I'll know some day next week, when I can access a 32bit machine
so I'd say we dont touch it unless we know better 19:11
eiro ok
pmichaud 18:06 <[Coke]> it is desired that rakudo's ConfigureJVM.pl support --gen-nqp, aye? 19:13
actually, I'm thinking that rakudo's configure should have --gen-nqp=jvm or --with-nqp=... and it decides JVM/Parrot/other based on that.
(we're not there yet, but that's where I'll be aiming to go) 19:14
jnthn pmichaud: That'd be nice
pmichaud but in essence, Rakudo figures out how to configure itself based on the nqp (options) that you supply
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PerlJam masak++ live demo! :-) 19:21
timotimo I'm missing more stuff on stream :( 19:22
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colomon was wondering why masak was messing around with indices. ;) 19:29
census yay! masak++ 19:30
btyler masak's stream audio just cut out entirely. can someone present maybe poke an admin-type?
and back 19:31
census btyler: are you watching masak from your computer live?
btyler yes
census may i ask how?
btyler new.livestream.com/accounts/4219145...ts/2150574
timotimo it works on android
btyler census: combine www.yapcna.org/yn2013/schedule with www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=TalkVideos to see everything happening :) 19:32
timotimo fsvo works
census is this masak discussing the dot product?
colomon yes
jnthn yes
dalek ecza: b4da574 | (Solomon Foster)++ | t/spectest.data:
Apparently this file is gone.
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anocelot btyler: Is the audio back in now? (I'm sorta working on it kinda.) 19:36
dalek ecza: 94cad70 | (Solomon Foster)++ | t/spectest.data:
As is this one.
btyler anocelot: yep, it popped back about 70 seconds after I first mentioned it. still only on the left channel, but that's no biggie 19:38
anocelot btyler: OK. I think we may only have a mono feed from the board, so I'm unsure how that was going out in stereo before. XD 19:39
rjbs What was that chaacter after Carl's "say"? 19:40
btyler anocelot: oh, the left-channel-only thing has been very consistent :) thanks for your work, I'm loving being able to stream these talks
rjbs Looked like "say ~.value.reverse.first"
jnthn ~ would be stringify
PerlJam rjbs: aye
anocelot btyler: Your're welcome. Thank diakopter thought, he's been running non-stop on this stuff; I've only been working on it for the day. 19:41
colomon you can use ~ with implicit $_ like that?
rjbs jnthn: That's what I thought, but then what was the value for?
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rjbs I wonder I misread the slide. I'd have expected: say ~ .reverse.first.value 19:42
anocelot rjbs: Can you rewind the stream?
rjbs anocelot: I'll just ask masak after it's over :)
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anocelot rjbs: That's probably an effective alternative. 19:43
census masak++ !! 19:45
PerlJam japhb++ I didn't know the pod comment showed up in the usage like that 19:46
masak++ indeed. He's an excellent presenter IMHO 19:47
colomon masak++
jnthn masak++ 19:48
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dalek ast: a0cc4c2 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S16-filehandles/io.t:
Unfudge io test that succeeds now
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census yes masak is great teacher 19:53
dalek ast: d3f8d74 | (Solomon Foster)++ | S32-io/io-path.t:
Change rakudo todos to niecza todos.

Because Rakudo can run them now, and Niecza is getting IO::Path but cannot run them yet.
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colomon On S32-io/io-path.t: does anyone understand #?rakudo 3 skip 'need to test OS submodules instead' 19:54
masak thanks all y'all. it was nice to be up there. :)
colomon It seems like either the tests are wrong or Rakudo should have a different skip message.
labster?
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masak rjbs: no, the .value there means "get the list of days-in-month, throw away the month" 19:57
timotimo anyone know how to play this api.new.livestream.com/broadcasts/20570878.smil on linux? no luck with totem, mplayer or vlc :(
masak colomon: the ~ isn't topicalizing on $_, the .value is.
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timotimo ah, apparently just concat the http_base with the src thing 20:00
colomon masak: yes, I understood it must work that way. I'm just mildly shocked it does
masak hehe :) 20:01
it's consistent ;)
labster yeah, io-path.t tests are somewhat wrong.
sorry, I was trying to get a job :) 20:02
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colomon labster: no worries! 20:03
rjbs masak: Okay, so it was ~( .value...), rather than (~.value)... 20:05
masak: Thanks
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masak r:say ~.value.reverse.first: *.day-of-week == 5 for classify *.month, Date.new("2013-01-01") .. Date.new("2013-12-31") 20:07
rjbs: yes, method calls always bind tighter than prefix ops. it's somtimes surprising, but essentially it follows people's intuitions *most* of the time. 20:08
rjbs masak: I think all my brain wanted was a space between ~ and . for that to have been unsurprising. Hard to say, of course. :)
masak rjbs: specifically, if you read the index in -a.i as a method call, you'd expect it to happen tighter than the -
rjbs nod 20:09
masak rjbs: I dunno, I tend to squeeze prefixes up against their terms, just like you have to with postfixes.
maybe I'm just concerned they'll come off looking like infixes otherwise. 20:10
colomon +1
r: say ~ .value.reverse.first: *.day-of-week == 5 for classify *.month, Date.new("2013-01-01") .. Date.new("2013-12-31") 20:11
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«2013-01-25␤2013-02-22␤2013-03-29␤2013-04-26␤2013-05-31␤2013-06-28␤2013-07-26␤2013-08-30␤2013-09-27␤2013-10-25␤2013-11-29␤2013-12-27␤»
colomon guess it does work, though
masak oh, not saying it doesn't. it should always work. 20:12
with prefixes, you have the choice to append whitespace.
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colomon but you shouldn't. ;) 20:12
masak it's not part of my recommended style, no :)
[Coke] there are -talks- on moarvm? 20:13
colomon [Coke]: right now
masak [Coke]: yep, ongoing. :)
[Coke]: wish you were here... :/
with postfixes, you don't. you have to squeeze it up against the term, or use unspace (which people who hate not being able to use whitespace also tend to hate).
nwc10 [Coke]: the talk description didn't say MoarVM before Saturday.
colomon ... we're just two lost souls, in a fishbowl ...
[Coke] arglebargle. 20:14
that's just dirty pool. :(
In retrospect, a little more warning on that might have been a good thing. 20:15
masak you don't seem to fully understand the concept of "sekkrit project"... 20:16
and as far as I understand, people hinted very strongly that you should come. :)
[Coke] I do, actually.
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anocelot At least the current talk should be available on the stream. 20:20
(MoarVM)
timotimo watches moarvm on a windows computer now
anocelot \o/ 20:21
tadzik I think all talks are recorded and will be available later
sorear o/
timotimo the audio is quite bad, i wish speakers would repeat what audience members say 20:22
(but i know i miss that every once in a while)
(but during my lightning talk there was someone who held up a blinking laptop screen with the words "repeat questions" up whenever i missed them)
could someone from the audience stenotype that? :( 20:23
anocelot How's that?
timotimo OH YEAH
excellent, thank you
anocelot ;)
timotimo wow, the volume difference between jnthn holds the mic up to his mouth and when he doesn't is humongous
anocelot The qustion was, "How commited are you to not having incremental garbage collection?" (more or less) 20:24
timotimo thanks
masak no, that was exactly the question :)
anocelot (real time incrementatal gcc is the off-mic note)
tadzik one that guarantees allocation/collection time to be lower than X 20:25
masak anocelot: have we met in meatspace? if not, I'd like to shake your hand.
anocelot masak: I'm sitting next to TimToady in meatspace.
masak I see you waving ;) 20:26
anocelot o.o/
colomon anocelot: was that you waving? I've got obstructed view here.
\o
anocelot yes. ^.^
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timotimo not sure if it was said/written-on-slides/asked, does moarvm already have some kind of jit? 20:28
masak timotimo: no.
timotimo: (not to my knowledge)
anocelot (various "done by christmas" references.)
jasper43 hey guys ... is there a release day for Perl 6 yet?
timotimo not saying i'm going to do it, but a moarvm clone atop pypy's translation/jit/gc framework should be called MoarMoar
masak timotimo: but there's thought about adding a JIT. 20:29
jasper43: hi!
jasper43 hi
anocelot Moar^2
pmichaud jasper43: our latest release was 2013-05-31
timotimo maybe EvenMoarVM
jasper43 oh wow that was recent
pmichaud rakudo.org/2013/05/31/rakudo-star-2...-released/
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jasper43 will I have any issues installing perl6 alongside perl in Ubuntu? everything is kept separate I assume? modules and all? 20:29
masak jasper43: and it was compiler release #63.
jasper43: yes, everything's separate. 20:30
jasper43 nice
masak jasper43: you invoke Perl 6 with 'perl6' for now.
jasper43 perfect!
masak \:D/
jasper43 you guys rock .. keep fighting the good fight
masak jasper43: I cannot guarantee that the Ubuntu Rakudo Star is very recent.
timotimo it probably is woefully out of date 20:31
masak jasper43: you might be better off grabbing the latest Star from the post pmichaud++ linked.
pmichaud pmthium.com/2013/06/a-perl-6-develo...l-podcast/
jasper43 ok
I'll do that
masak pmichaud++
timotimo "pmthium", that's a cute name :)
pmichaud it's my element. :)
tadzik hehehe
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timotimo it's all about the pmthiums, baby o/~ 20:32
PerlJam I think ubuntu has rakduo 2012-07
masak "gee, pmichaud is really in his element when he's blogging..." :)
anocelot XD
PerlJam er, sorry 2011-07
masak PerlJam: that's ancient.
PerlJam yep
masak that's, like, more than two Christmases ago.
tadzik it's like running 5.8. Oh, wait
masak haha
PerlJam Version: 0.1~2011.07-1build1 20:33
anocelot (Various bickering off-camera. Not too pertinant to the discussion.)
timotimo thank you. i was wondering, because it's quite hard to make out what's going on 20:34
nwc10 packages.ubuntu.com/raring/rakudo -- Package: rakudo (2012.10-1build1)
tadzik "will XS work in moar"
PerlJam nwc10: ah, maybe I've got an old ubuntu repository
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timotimo if you embed libperl, it should work, no? 20:34
tadzik that was the answer ;)
timotimo right 20:35
tadzik (I dind't understand that last one, and I sit 5 meters from Riba)
arnsholt The last question was what happens if, on the Perl 5 side, a Perl 6 object is passed to a C function (XSUB) 20:36
timotimo ah
TimToady "proxies work" was the answer
timotimo twice as fast!
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timotimo what is lots and lots of dictionaries? libicu? 20:37
tadzik (what's twice as fast?)
nwc10 whereas for debian: packages.debian.org/wheezy/rakudo -- Package: rakudo (0.1~2012.01-1) 20:38
colomon jnthn taking the stage (not sure if the camera will be capturing that?) 20:39
timotimo i like seeing jnthn present, he seems so happy
the camera does capture it, the left end is the left end of the projection surface, the right end is a bit right of the speaker's desk
that's every opcode from moarvm we're seeing? 20:40
gfldex could you drop me a link to the stream?
sorear timotimo: lots of dictionaries = NieczaUCD.cs
tadzik www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=TalkVideos
gfldex tyvm
sorear timotimo: yes
colomon timotimo: it doesn't fit all on one screen, but yes. 20:41
timotimo livestream.com, search "yapc stream 3"
sound trouble suddenly 20:42
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timotimo mostly a low hummmmmmm, but slightly hearable presenters 20:42
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anocelot Always? 20:42
timotimo no, just started a minute ago, it's slowly improved again 20:43
anocelot I fiddled with a cable, so let me know if it totally drops or whatever. XD 20:44
FROGGS >.<
*g*
timotimo there's trouble again; whenever the speaker's audio level reaches a certain threshold, a whole bunch of hum/bzzt/whatever mixes in 20:45
and jnthn triggers it every few words :(
interestingly the hum is in the second audio channel, too
colomon I think it's clipping in the PA system
anocelot Ah. That sounds like a peaking issue, prolly.
timotimo can be, yes 20:46
anocelot Maybe he should clip the mic to his shirt.
timotimo that might rub on his beard the whole time i fear
masak :D
tadzik :D:D:
anocelot Hmm. That's a fair point.
PerlJam clip it to the lanyard
FROGGS who is lanyard? :P 20:47
masak not sure that would work well...
FROGGS: www.thefreedictionary.com/lanyard
FROGGS *cough* joke *cough*
masak (irony-free answer, sorry) :)
timotimo masak: from experience, lanyard-clipped mics will rub against shirts when the speaker moves around or moves their arms too wildly
masak right. 20:48
timotimo FROGGS: 'you have a sarcasm sign?!'
anocelot Have to clip it to BOTH sides at once.
FROGGS ohh, forgot it at home, sorry
masak "sarcasm? that's original!"
timotimo completely unreadable color between the yellow
masak timotimo: here, too ;)
timotimo is that a dump of a serialised object or something?
masak timotimo: it's the Unicode stuff, I think. 20:49
colomon timotimo: I can read it, but it appears to be completely uninformative
timotimo ah
colomon It's the (numeric) comments you cannot read
masak diakopter slurped all the Unicode data and turned it into C source.
colomon like /*24*/ etc
masak you're watching the output of his (Perl 5) script.
timotimo uh huh
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timotimo To compile on the MoarVM backend, QAST::VM must have an alternative 'moar' or 'moarop' - this is the kind of error i get from using unimplemented features when trying to nqp-cc-moar some code? 20:51
(could be the pir:: ops that were still in there m) ) 20:52
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timotimo so apparently the tracebacks give no line numbers from the crosscompiler :( 20:56
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timotimo he's talking about what i did! \o/ 20:57
tadzik yep :)
timotimo++
timotimo so proud <3
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timotimo a future of a perl! :D 20:58
PerlJam timotimo: It's a Perl of a future! ;) 20:59
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timotimo put off his headphones 20:59
sorear :D
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FROGGS puts off his earmuffs, it is hot outside >.< 21:01
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timotimo now i feel that i have to one-up myself :P 21:12
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timotimo what stream do i have to open to get larry wall? 21:26
ah, number one
anocelot Is the stream working?
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gfldex yes 21:27
they are on a break
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dalek ecza: 95dde43 | (Solomon Foster)++ | / (3 files):
Borrow chopped up versions of labster++'s IO::FileTestable and IO::Path.
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timotimo "holier than thou" m) 21:37
kind of scary :| 21:39
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FROGGS ya 21:49
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colomon labster, etc: should the spec specify that the $test arg for dir tests the path strings rather than the IO::Path objects? 22:10
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colomon dir.grep('t') is (essentially) in S32-io/dir.t. Given that dir returns IO::Paths, should that still work? 22:22
dalek kudo-star-daily: b2e36f4 | coke++ | log/ (5 files):
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flussence colomon++ # Text-Tabs-Wrap in niecza is now passing the same tests as rakudo 22:24
colomon flussence: what was the difference? 22:26
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flussence half the tests used IO::Path to load files :) 22:26
colomon :) 22:27
labster++
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colomon It's not a very good IO::Path yet (I chopped a bunch of labster's stuff) but it seems to get some stuff done. 22:28
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[Coke] colomon: how long until you start on nqp-mono? ) 22:31
;)
colomon [Coke]: that's way beyond my pay grade.
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colomon [Coke]: I'd love to see it done, but I think it probably makes sense to get JVM and MoarVM locked down first. 22:35
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donaldh ETOOMANYVMS 22:37
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timotimo so that's leto! 22:53
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timotimo WHY IS HE SCREAMING 23:08
WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING
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AndChat|356841 mst is just awesome 23:11
timotimo that was mst? 23:12
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FROGGS_ it was 23:12
that is sawerx
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timotimo it'll be confusing to hear the same thing again 7 hours later 23:14
wow, he has some beef :) 23:15
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timotimo oh, now a "is perl6 perl" talk 23:19
oh, changes
lue thought Perl 6 was Perl by definition... 23:21
Teratogen Perl is a family of languages 23:22
timotimo yeah, but apparently some people need to be reminded of that? 23:23
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timotimo can one of you briefly explain to me what TIE does, preferably in perl6 terms? 23:25
i think it's used to make regular datastructures in perl5 behave differently?
flussence it's more or less like doing «augment %whatever { method postcircumfix:<{ }> {...}; ... }» 23:27
timotimo only for { }?
flussence well, works for nearly any lvalue-ish stuff 23:28
timotimo would the same thing be doable with %whatever but role { method postcircumfix:<{ }> (...) { ... }; ... }?
flussence oh wait, better explanation: it's more like «is repr» 23:29
timotimo ah
flussence (but yeah, roles are close enough)
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timotimo what makes up a repr? implementations of at_key/at_pos/...? 23:31
dalek ast: 05d756b | (Solomon Foster)++ | S32-io/ (2 files):
Updates and fudges.
ecza: 1bed6b7 | (Solomon Foster)++ | lib/CORE.setting:
Make dir return IO::Path objects.
 23:32
ecza: 6e28e36 | (Solomon Foster)++ | / (2 files):
Make dir return IO::Path objects.
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colomon o/ 23:33
sorear o/ 23:34
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sorear need alternate BOF planning solutions 23:38
it's loud enough down in the meeting halls that I was starting to ... fray
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colomon sorear: understood, it's still pretty bad up here. 23:38
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eternaleye timotimo: That reminds me, I need to toss the manga downloader I made up on github soon (I implemented it as a hierarchy of tied hashes, site -> manga name -> chapter -> page image URL) 23:42
flussence rn: sub a is pure {rand}; sub b {rand}; say [==] a xx 10; say [==] b xx 10;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Undeclared routine:␤ xx used at line 1␤␤»
..niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Undeclared routine:␤ 'xx' used at line 1,1␤␤Unhandled exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1502 (die @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 36) ␤ at /hom…
flussence rn: sub a is pure {rand}; sub b {rand}; say [==] a() xx 10; say [==] b() xx 10;
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«True␤False␤»
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sorear FROGGS[mobile]: fans of quiet BOF? :) 23:43
eternaleye flussence: ...now that is cool.
timotimo huh, when did that happen
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timotimo rn: sub a is pure { (state $)++ }; say (a() for ^10); 23:44
FROGGS_ damn wifi
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0␤»
flussence timotimo: it's not in the specs (yet) from what I can tell, but «is pure» means "fold this like a constant"
timotimo rn: sub a { (state $)++ }; say (a() for ^10);
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9␤»
FROGGS_ sorear: have to finish my slides 23:45
flussence p5eval: poke
colomon quiet dinner BOF?
p5eval flussence: poke
FROGGS_ cant concentrate when there are so many ppl around
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flussence p5eval: use v5.12; use Memoize; sub a { (state $foo)++ }; memoize(&a); say a() for 1..10; '' 23:46
p5eval flussence: ERROR: Can't locate Memoize.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Memoize module) (@INC contains: /lib) at (eval 7) line 1.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 7) line 1.
flussence aww
sorear flussence: it's not in the synopses, but it's tangentially mentioned in STD
flussence: btw, are you here? 23:47
colomon flussence: you know there's a p6 "use cached" implementation somewhere in the Advent calendars....
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flussence sorear: nah, I'm just being more active than usual :) 23:47
colomon rn: my $p = "test".path; say (* eq "t")($p)
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«False␤»
..niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Cannot unbox a String from an object of repr P6opaque␤ at /tmp/qyzXcUHzqe line 0 (ANON @ 1) ␤ at /tmp/qyzXcUHzqe line 1 (mainline @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4500 (ANON @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE…
timotimo rn: multi sub a($foo where * < 5) { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($foo where * >= 5) { (state $)++ }; say ($_.&a for ^10); 23:49
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«0 1 2 3 4 0 1 2 3 4␤»
..niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $foo is declared but not used at /tmp/6X6agfEkEJ line 1:␤------> multi sub a(⏏$foo where * < 5) { (state $)++ }; multi␤␤0 1 2 3 4 0 1 2 3 4␤»
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timotimo rn: proto a ($foo) is pure; multi sub a($foo where * < 5) { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($foo where * >= 5) { (state $)++ }; say ($_.&a for ^10); 23:49
camelia niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Malformed block at /tmp/QWGdg82naw line 1:␤------> proto a ($foo) is pure⏏; multi sub a($foo where * < 5) { (state␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/192FRchS1m:1␤------> proto a ($foo) is pure⏏; multi sub a($foo where * < 5) { (state␤ expecting any of:␤ statement list␤ prefix or term␤ prefix or meta-prefix␤ ne…
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timotimo rn: proto a is pure ($foo); multi sub a($foo where * < 5) { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($foo where * >= 5) { (state $)++ }; say ($_.&a for ^10); 23:49
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camelia niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Malformed block at /tmp/dy6zKHpBuW line 1:␤------> proto a is pure ($foo)⏏; multi sub a($foo where * < 5) { (state␤␤Parse failed␤␤» 23:50
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/ZKuEzqbhqp:1␤------> proto a is pure ⏏($foo); multi sub a($foo where * < 5) { ␤ expecting any of:␤ statement list␤ prefix or term␤ prefix or meta-prefix␤ new name…
timotimo rn: multi sub($foo where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($foo where * >= 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; say ($_.&a for ^10);
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'a'; none of these signatures match:␤:($foo)␤ in sub a at /tmp/xdW4R_QTXH:1␤ in block at /tmp/xdW4R_QTXH:1␤␤»
..niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $foo is declared but not used at /tmp/MnJX0iJR61 line 1:␤------> multi sub(⏏$foo where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ ␤ &sub is declared but not used at /tmp/MnJX0iJR61 line 1:␤------> multi sub⏏($…
timotimo rn: multi sub($foo where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($foo where * >= 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; say (a($_) for ^10);
camelia niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $foo is declared but not used at /tmp/IJwYrMQTAW line 1:␤------> multi sub(⏏$foo where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ ␤ &sub is declared but not used at /tmp/IJwYrMQTAW line 1:␤------> multi sub⏏($…
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'a'; none of these signatures match:␤:($foo)␤ in sub a at /tmp/tdAztTnGPr:1␤ in block at /tmp/tdAztTnGPr:1␤␤»
timotimo i don't know what i'm doing
FROGGS rn: multi sub($foo where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($foo where * >= 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; say (a($_) for 5..10); 23:53
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«0 1 2 3 4 5␤»
..niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ $foo is declared but not used at /tmp/RtNBWQZVbk line 1:␤------> multi sub(⏏$foo where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ ␤ &sub is declared but not used at /tmp/RtNBWQZVbk line 1:␤------> multi sub⏏($…
flussence rn: proto a($) {*}; sub a($ where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; sub a($ where * >= 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; say a($_) for ^10; 23:54
camelia niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Illegal redeclaration of routine 'a' (see line 1) at /tmp/KRRNNfMyiK line 1:␤------> proto a($) {*}; sub a⏏($ where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ };␤␤Illegal redeclaration of routine 'a' (see line 1) at /tm…
..rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Redeclaration of routine a␤at /tmp/os7DiHBXA6:1␤------> a($ where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ }⏏; sub a($ where * >= 5) is pure { (state␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ statement…
eternaleye timotimo: 'is pure' means that it has no effects on state - it uses the inputs to create the output, nothing more. No mutation of inputs, etc.
timotimo eternaleye: i know that part :)
i was trying to find out if it handles multis properly
eternaleye timotimo: Ah
timotimo i also remember now that "is pure" went into the code (because i saw the constant folding code in the optimizer), but i didn't realise until now that it can be used in user code (although i did notice it in the setting) 23:55
flussence rn: proto a($) is pure {*}; multi sub a($ where * < 5) { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($ where * >= 5) { (state $)++ }; say a($_) for ^10 23:56
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤»
timotimo oooh, the {*} was missing!
rn: proto a($) is pure {*}; multi sub a($ where * < 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; multi sub a($ where * >= 5) is pure { (state $)++ }; say a($_) for ^10 23:57
camelia rakudo b2072f, niecza v24-62-g95dde43: OUTPUT«0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤»
timotimo that's kind of sad, but expectable.
flussence (am I misreading the spec? S06:77 says those "multi" words shouldn't be needed there.)
colomon r: ~dir()[0]
camelia rakudo b2072f: ( no output )
colomon r: say ~dir()[0]
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«star␤»
timotimo i think if there's a proto, you don't need to write "multi" any more 23:58
colomon r: say dir()[0].perl
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«IO::Path.new(basename => "star", directory => ".", volume => "")␤»
eternaleye r: proto a( $b ) is pure { ... }; multi a( $b where * < 5 ) { (state $c)++ }; multi a( $b where * >= 5 ) { (state $c)++ }; a( $_ ).say for 5..10;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Stub code executed␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10161␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:893␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11047␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:890␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:889␤ in block at /tmp/2QJ…
eternaleye r: proto a( $b ) is pure { ... }; multi a( $b where * < 5 ) is pure { (state $c)++ }; multi a( $b where * >= 5 ) is pure { (state $c)++ }; a( $_ ).say for 5..10; 23:59
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Stub code executed␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10161␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:893␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11047␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:890␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:889␤ in block at /tmp/DXt…
eternaleye r: proto a( $b ) is pure { ... }; multi a( $b where * < 5 ) is pure { (state $c)++ }; multi a( $b where * >= 5 ) is pure { $b }; a( $_ ).say for 5..10;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Stub code executed␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10161␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:893␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11047␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:890␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:889␤ in block at /tmp/_Gk…
eternaleye iiinteresting.
r: proto a( $b ) { ... }; multi a( $b where * < 5 ) is pure { (state $c)++ }; multi a( $b where * >= 5 ) is pure { $b }; a( $_ ).say for 5..10;
camelia rakudo b2072f: OUTPUT«Stub code executed␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:10161␤ in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:893␤ in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:11047␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:890␤ in method say at src/gen/CORE.setting:889␤ in block at /tmp/u5B…

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