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masak lue: I'm inclined to agree. 00:00
grammar inheritance notwithstanding.
extending rather than modifying will always be the "safe" strategy.
lue The only time you'd really want to change an existing grammar is to add a feature to it, e.g. to hook into a new slang, and macros could accomplish that perhaps. 00:01
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masak lue: I can see people maybe getting away with adding a twigil, or something similar. 00:02
but perhaps protoregexes will make that feasible.
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lue still thinks the syntax inside the braces of slang { } needs to be something that pulls together grammar, actions, and other possible related things, instead of precisely the same things as go in grammar { } 00:05
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lue Still a lot of thinking that needs to be done on slangs, just thought I'd let you know what I see slangs useful for nowadays :) . 00:08
masak lue: thanks. 00:10
I agree we're not quite there yet.
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masak as usual in these situations, I think things will only start to happen once the rubber meets the road -- once someone tries something, and gets feedback from users and from seeing it work in practice. 00:10
lue I'm not surprised it's not even well-spec'd, let alone implemented; who'd be insane enough to allow the user to change the language they're writing in? ;) 00:11
masak aka "rough consensus and working code"
lue I think there's still some work to do to get something that can be implemented in the first place, but certainly most of the ironing out will be in usage, not speculation :) 00:12
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masak agree that we must be fairly certain what we want, and we aren't yet :) 00:15
sometimes I wish I could associate an actions class with a grammar, slang or no. 00:16
it's very rare that I do something other than 1-grammar-1-actions-class. 00:17
Mouq "chr codepoint cannot be negative" :?
lue masak: what, isn't :actions enough an association for you? :P
Mouq: check for an E<> somewhere near where the backtrace tells you in the offending Pod6 file. 00:18
masak lue: no, because that association has to be done per-parse-call. I'd like to be able to make the association once, from the grammar.
Mouq lue: Re-ran, came up with same bug 00:19
lue masak: one of my ideas is that slang could perhaps be a general grammar/action associator, with the special language-level bit being stuffing that slang-thing in a $~THING and using that variable somewhere in the Perl6 grammar/actions/etc.
Mouq tries gist.github.com/Mouq/82ebe2 00:20
masak lue: mhm.
Mouq realizes how much that diff will annoy lue
lue Mouq: gist.github.com/Mouq/82ebe2 is a 404 :/
skids masak: just overload .parse.
Mouq lue: gist.github.com/Mouq/82ebe2b9633c487d3795
lue I still like my way for how it follows the POD generator's output. :) 00:22
Also, my way uses high-number PUA Unicode chars, so there :P
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Mouq lue: :) your way definitely wins on coolness (and probably actually-working-ness) 00:24
lue Perhaps I can stick the HTML I want in one giant V<> at some point :) [Unless Pod::To::HTML tries to escape the angle brackets and such...] 00:25
Mouq realizes the problem is probably something as simple as spaces around the <p> 00:27
lue (fwiw, I originally wanted to use the C0 and/or C1 control chars (because they look so disused, at least in the stuff I find myself doing), but none of them have the precisely right meanings ☺ (closest is SOH/STX/ETX) )
Mouq notes that his diff did solve the problem though :) 00:28
lue Have yet to try latest everything on syngen, by the way.
masak skids: ooh 00:29
Mouq (And you don't have to wait for all the HTML to be output to see if the issue was fixed w/ the removal of the Post-gen stage
:) ) 00:30
lue Mouq: yeah, though I've been considering turning the pipeline into a concurrent sort of thing to take care of that "waiting on" issue :)
masak r: class Actions { method TOP { say "OH HAI" } }; grammar G { regex TOP { x }; method parse($input) { nextsame($input, :actions(Actions.new)) } }; G.parse("x") 00:31
camelia rakudo-jvm c8ef8d: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
..rakudo-parrot c8ef8d: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 0␤ in block at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:653␤ in method parse at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
..rakudo-moar c8ef8d: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 0␤ in block at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:652␤ in method parse at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
masak r: class Actions { method TOP { say "OH HAI" } }; grammar G { regex TOP { x }; method parse($input) { nextwith($input, :actions(Actions.new)) } }; G.parse("x")
camelia rakudo-parrot c8ef8d: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 2 but expected 1␤ in method TOP at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in any !reduce at gen/parrot/stage2/QRegex.nqp:752␤ in any !cursor_pass at gen/parrot/stage2/QRegex.nqp:714␤ in regex TOP at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in m…»
..rakudo-moar c8ef8d: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 2 but expected 1␤ in method TOP at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in any !reduce at gen/moar/stage2/QRegex.nqp:752␤ in any !cursor_pass at gen/moar/stage2/QRegex.nqp:714␤ in regex TOP at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in method …»
..rakudo-jvm c8ef8d: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 2 but expected 1␤ in method TOP at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in any !reduce at gen/jvm/stage2/QRegex.nqp:752␤ in any !cursor_pass at gen/jvm/stage2/QRegex.nqp:714␤ in regex TOP at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in method par…»
masak oh, right.
r: class Actions { method TOP($/) { say "OH HAI" } }; grammar G { regex TOP { x }; method parse($input) { nextwith($input, :actions(Actions.new)) } }; G.parse("x")
camelia rakudo-parrot c8ef8d, rakudo-jvm c8ef8d, rakudo-moar c8ef8d: OUTPUT«OH HAI␤»
masak \o/
and with that...
...'night, #perl6 00:32
lue ♞ masak o/
skids masak: I do agree that that will be common enough that grammar might best be a parameterized role that takes an actions to use as a default.
Oh goodnight.
Mouq o/ masak 00:33
Mouq ought to bed soon as well, getting close to the 36 hour mark of being awake
lue Heh, if only it wasn't complex enough to require ncurses, I'd have conc-syngen display a "leaderboard" (or whatever it's best called) of all the synopses with progress indicators for each one :P
Mouq: yeesh, you should probably go to bed real soon. 00:35
Aw, I get a segfault trying to run ./bootstrap.pl on perl6-m :( 00:41
Mouq lue: Are you sure you don't want rebootstrap.pl? 00:44
lue positive. "No need to rebootstrap, running normal bootstrap"
Mouq :( 00:45
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lue Looks like the bootstrap script itself is what segfaults. 00:59
That explains it. the script is trying to `mkdir` /usr/local/languages/perl6/site , which it is not allowed to do (nor do I want it to do that, I want ~/.perl6/) 01:05
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lue .tell tadzik to see irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2014-03-04#i_8379034 (I get a segfault when perl6-m tries mkdir'ing a path it hasn't the permissions for. Should be creating ~/.perl6 instead anyway) 01:07
yoleaux lue: I'll pass your message to tadzik.
lue &
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Mouq generates a Perl 6 hash of all lowercase HTML5 entities and the codepoint(s) they represent. Now. Where to put this. 01:37
I can't imagine this is useful anywhere but in Pod parsing 01:38
BenGoldberg Not necessarily -- I can imagine it being used to convert html to text 01:39
Mouq BenGoldberg: But that would use a full list.
BenGoldberg Oh, well nevermind then ;)
Mouq :)
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Mouq m: say "\c[8842,65024]" 02:05
camelia rakudo-moar c8ef8d: OUTPUT«⊊︀␤»
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[Coke] should I have dalek report on mojo6 here? (slow going at the moment) 03:04
japhb__ [Coke]: Definitely 03:06
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japhb__ Did jnthn++ mention when he would be 6ing again? 03:14
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moritz [Coke]: for Mojo6, do you want to implement Mojolicious-style setter methods? 04:15
lue .tell tadzik looks like it's moar's fault, not panda's. Try mkdir /test on all three backends. 04:21
yoleaux lue: I'll pass your message to tadzik.
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dalek p: fb32da5 | larry++ | / (2 files):
hook up new uniprop opcodes
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TimToady so, I'm wondering if there's a magical way to bump revisions, or if one just does that by hand 04:55
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lue TimToady: I've not heard of some bumping tool, I believe it's all manual. 04:59
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TimToady and in a number like 05:06
2014.02-8-geb722b4, what is the significance of the 8? 05:07
lue I have no clue, unfortunately :(
TimToady the previous rev had a 5 there 05:08
but it's not the day of month
maybe it just has to increase
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lue TimToady: perl tools/build/gen-version.pl in the top dir of rakudo might be helpful. 05:11
TimToady looking and NQP::Configure.pm it's just a sequence number 05:12
s/and/at/
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dalek p: a1e5033 | larry++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
bump moar revision
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kudo/nom: 62996cb | larry++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
bump nqp revision
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TimToady hopes he done it rihgt
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TimToady hopefully we can now start playing with uniprops in nom, and do things like return the Rat corresponding to the vulgar fractions 05:23
lue TimToady: currently S15 has a uniprops function that returns a hash of all the properties a given character. I'm wondering if replacing that with a uniprop($char, $prop) type thing would be better. 05:31
(would have the advantage that the name &uniprops can be for the function that gives you a property for every character, akin to ord/ords and chr/chrs. If the hash is still needed, perhaps &unihash or something) 05:32
dalek kudo/nom: b4336af | larry++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
oops, need to bump the nqp that bumps moar
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TimToady there is no point in returning all the properties; any given program would only be interested in a few properties 05:43
the tendency is to look at the same set of props for a lot of character rather than a lot of props for a single char 05:44
I think uniprop(Int $codepoint, Str $propname) should probably be the basic function, and it should cache whatever it needs to access that particular property for other chars too 05:45
I'm thinking that it should return an Int, a Str, or a Rat depending on the nature of the property 05:46
alternately, we can split into functions that return each type
japhb__ TimToady: re: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2014-03-04#i_8379668 , the format of these is (most recent tag in commit path)-(revs since the tag)-g(7 leading digits of SHA-1 for this commit)
(Optionally with -dirty on the end, if you've asked for it, and your working directory is not fully committed)
TimToady hmm
lue TimToady: yeah, I'm realizing now "return all the properties" provides no benefits, and only detriments. I'm wondering if uniprop($chr, *@props) would be better or part of a multi. 05:47
TimToady we can have a multi uniprop that takes a string instead of a codepoint, but the basic interface is integer based
lue I can go for that. 05:48
TimToady so we should provide access to the integer API for when that's the natural input
lue TimToady: the hash-based function as specced has this to say about its values: "Values for properties may be C<Bool> for binary ("Yes"/"No") values, a C<Rat>
for numeric values, and C<Str> objects for all other types of values."
.oO(The *one* place where polymorphic (return) types would be cool to have, though not necessary.)
 05:49
TimToady well, a lot of them are Int rather than Rat
lue Yeah, I just went with Rat to reduce the number of possible types :)
TimToady but adding in Bool is...possible..
but we don't know which ones are bools in the current API
well, I think it should .narrow :) 05:50
lue TimToady: this is what I used to discern possible return types: www.unicode.org/reports/tr44/tr44-1...erty_Table 05:51
C,E,S,M --> Str, N --> Rat (etc.), B --> Bool
(The Enumeration values could theoretically be enums, but that would be pushing it I feel.) 05:53
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TimToady except to calculate N, you need to be numerator and denominator, which are coming out as string enums right now, because of how moar compresses enumerations and things like them 05:54
lue could the returns be subjected to val() processing perhaps? 05:55
the N values that is
TimToady well, we'll construct the right type somehow
$num / $denom will work even if those are strings :) 05:56
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TimToady r: say ("5" / "1").WHAT 05:57
camelia rakudo-parrot c8ef8d, rakudo-jvm c8ef8d, rakudo-moar c8ef8d: OUTPUT«(Rat)␤»
TimToady r: say ("5" / "1").narrow.WHAT
camelia rakudo-parrot c8ef8d, rakudo-jvm c8ef8d, rakudo-moar c8ef8d: OUTPUT«(Int)␤»
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dalek p: d6a2776 | larry++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
oops, didn't understand format
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kudo/nom: 82ea648 | larry++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
fix nqp revision, hopefull
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TimToady okay, that's configuring better now 06:25
well, up to a point 06:35
dalek ecs: 33dad1e | lue++ | S15-unicode.pod:
[S15] Make uniprop/uniprops be more useful.

Instead of a hash of ALL THE PROPERTIES, it's a much more useful single-property lookup.
kudo/nom: 2582919 | larry++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
If at first you don't succeed...

  ...suck until you do succeed.		 06:38
hoverboard xkcd hit 1337 today! a momentous occasion!
lue
.oO(Next order of business for S15: figure out what Unicodey and Stringy precisely do. But not tonight, at least not from me.)
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TimToady japhb++ for explaining the version numbers...now if I only understood how to count revs, or where it came up with that '9' 06:42
lue ♘ #perl6 o/
TimToady o/
japhb__ TimToady: It's the output of `git describe` 06:50
TimToady japhb__++ 06:51
cool, that makes it a lot easier :)
japhb__ :-)
TimToady someone should write a bump script...
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dalek p: e79a521 | larry++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
bump moar rev to get mkdir_p fix for lue++
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kudo/nom: fc2a6e6 | larry++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
bump nqp to get mkdir_p fix
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TimToady one of these years I might be semi-competent 07:09
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TimToady obviously mkdir is not sufficiently tested--the problem with letting Camelia chase all the mean people away is that the meanest poeple write the meanest tests... 07:12
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TimToady of course, #?rakudo skip "mkdir NYI" doesn't help a whole lot here 07:14
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TimToady m: say nqp::getuniname(0x1f4a9) 08:04
camelia rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«PILE OF POO␤»
TimToady \o/
tadzik TimToady++ # |o| 08:07
yoleaux 01:07Z <lue> tadzik: to see irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2014-03-04#i_8379034 (I get a segfault when perl6-m tries mkdir'ing a path it hasn't the permissions for. Should be creating ~/.perl6 instead anyway)
04:21Z <lue> tadzik: looks like it's moar's fault, not panda's. Try mkdir /test on all three backends.
tadzik oh oh
FROGGS TimToady++ # \o/
tadzik indeed, mkdir segfaults :) 08:08
FROGGS tadzik: please bugreport is (if there is no ticket yet), and I'll care about it if nobody beats me to it
.u PILE OF POO 08:09
yoleaux U+1F4A9 PILE OF POO [So] (💩)
tadzik lue: ah, it seems like the way bootstrap.pl figures out if a directory path is feasible is "try mkdir $that" 08:10
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tadzik so, if it didn't segfault it would go to ~/.perl6 anyway :) 08:10
FROGGS TimToady: I'd like to see a CharProperty class (or so) that gistifies to yoleaux output here
tadzik I seem to recall writing it as a check for writability (is that a word?), not sure why it's a "try" these days
FROGGS m: say "pups".w
camelia rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«No such method 'w' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in block at /tmp/nsIyaZHjI1:1␤␤»
FROGGS m: say "pups".IO.w 08:11
camelia rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«False␤»
tadzik m: say "/bbbaaa".IO.w
camelia rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«False␤»
FROGGS this is supposed to segfault too, no?
tadzik not to my knowledge
FROGGS ahh, it is not mkdir
tadzik but why is it always false?
maybe that's why panda uses "try mkdir" :)
FROGGS m: say "/tmp".IO.w
camelia rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«True␤»
tadzik >:(
FROGGS tadzik: an unknown dir is never writeable :o) 08:12
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TimToady I already fixed the mkdir thing 08:12
tadzik oh, awesome
TimToady++
FROGGS heeh
TimToady++
tadzik m: mkdir "/aaaa" 08:13
FROGGS glad to have you on our side now :o)
TimToady it was just trying to format errno using %s
camelia rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«mkdir is disallowed in restricted setting␤ in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting:2␤ in sub mkdir at src/RESTRICTED.setting:10␤ in block at /tmp/Zu95yW9RJP:1␤␤»
tadzik bleh
hah
FROGGS >.<
tadzik I can see why that'd fail :)
FROGGS yeah
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dalek kudo/nom: 5f45799 | larry++ | src/core/Str.pm:
implement rudimentary uniname, uniprop, and unival
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TimToady > ./perl6 -e 'say unival "⅖"' 08:21
0.4
timotimo didn't realize that was a thing 08:22
moritz $de eq '1' ?? $nu.Int !! $nu / $de; 08:24
missed the opportunity to write ($nu/$de).narrow # :-)
m: say (5/1).narrow.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«(Int)␤»
moritz though TimToady++'s code is probably more efficient
TimToady > ./perl6 -e 'say unival "\c[CUNEIFORM NUMERIC SIGN SHAR2 TIMES GAL PLUS MIN]"' 08:25
432000
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TimToady this will make it really easy to write a roman numeral translator :) 08:29
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TimToady except, of course, for getting the user to actually input roman numerals as unicode thinks of them... :) 08:31
sergot hi o/ 08:32
mathw Let me guess, Unicode has special characters for roman numerals that nobody knows about 08:35
TimToady nope, I think someone knows about 'em 08:36
moritz $ uni ROMAN|grep NUMERAL|wc -l
40
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TimToady some of them are certainly unfamiliar though 08:39
> ./perl6 -e 'say unival("ↈ")'
100000
.u ↈ
yoleaux U+2188 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND [Nl] (ↈ)
masak morning, #perl6 08:41
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TimToady o/ 08:42
it's morning here too :)
moritz \o masak, * 08:45
masak japhb__: I think you'll see jnthn++ back here sometime tomorrow.
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masak r: say unival "5" 09:33
camelia rakudo-parrot fc2a6e, rakudo-jvm fc2a6e, rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/tmpfile␤Undeclared routine:␤ unival used at line 1␤␤»
masak meh.
moritz one commit behind. 09:36
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moritz a small task for improving camelia: summarize 'rakudo-parrot fc2a6e, rakudo-jvm fc2a6e, rakudo-moar fc2a6e:' as 'rakudo-{parrot,jvm,moar} fc2a6e:' 09:38
masak +1 09:46
moritz timotimo: ^^ you could add that to your next "how to help" section 09:52
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masak (OT) what's the name of the CPAN module that does correct matching of nested brackets/parentheses? 10:19
FROGGS Regexp::Common::balanced? 10:20
masak thanks.
FROGGS that is at least google's #1 for your question :o)
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masak that's the one I was thinking of. 10:21
moritz there's also Text::ParseWords 10:22
which exports quotewords
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masak ooh 10:27
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colomon TimToady++ 11:22
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colomon Error while compiling op getuniname: No registered operation handler for 'getuniname' 11:30
erm… possibly TimToady==
TimToady--
masak could it be an nqp version skew? 11:40
FROGGS colomon: your moarvm is outdated 11:46
and you'd see a hint about that if you'd reconfigure nqp
colomon FROGGS: that was a parrot build
FROGGS ahh, interesting fact :o) 11:47
colomon: these ops were not added for nqp-p... 11:48
so, we'd need to fudge this for !moar: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/5f...d048c5c077
and perhaps other commits as well 11:49
I do that now
dalek rakudo/eleven: 7c12aaf | Mouq++ | src/core/ (2 files): 11:50
rakudo/eleven: Fix regression caused by correct list flattening
rakudo/eleven:
rakudo/eleven: $/.pairs couldn't handle Matches with multiple matches under a single
rakudo/eleven: index, e.g., where it should output 0 => (Match1,Match2) it would output
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FROGGS that is not it yet 11:50
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dalek kudo/nom: f2471ab | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/core/Str.pm:
fudge uniname/-prop/val which is implemented on moar only
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FROGGS colomon: ^^
I am rebuilding everything atm so this will take a while 11:55
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Sawaf Hello 12:10
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colomon FROGGS++ 12:11
FROGGS hi Sawaf
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Sawaf Please I need to ask how can I start learning perl 12:14
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tadzik hello 12:15
you can start with perl6.org/documentation/ 12:16
FROGGS Sawaf: If you are interested in Perl 6, then perhaps perl6.org/getting-started/
Sawaf: if it is more about Perl 5, then www.perl.org/learn.html
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Sawaf Thanks FROGGS but can't I find a video tutorials ? 12:22
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FROGGS there are a lot of videos on youtube 12:23
Sawaf: but still, are you looking for Perl 5 or Perl 6?
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Sawaf I'm looking for Perl 6 12:25
FROGGS then you should search for "Perl 6", "Jonathan Worthington", "Carl Masak", "Rakudo" to mention a few 12:26
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Sawaf Thanks FROGGS I'll serch for it :) 12:29
FROGGS you're welcome 12:30
do not hesitate to ask or play around here :o)
r: say "hallo" # :o)
camelia rakudo-parrot fc2a6e, rakudo-jvm fc2a6e, rakudo-moar fc2a6e: OUTPUT«hallo␤»
FROGGS you can also do that in a private chat with the camelia bot 12:31
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Sawaf thanks alot 12:32
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masak hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.se/2010/...thing.html # thanks alot! 12:44
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FROGGS *g* 12:49
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timotimo moritz: i have a bit of code that goes into the right direction to do that already, but i never finished it :o 13:15
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[Coke] moritz: if there's a natural sixian way to do it, I'll prefer that way. 13:55
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moritz [Coke]: well, there are rw attributes in Perl 6, but they tend to be a hassle 14:00
[Coke] moritz: at this point, I'm just getting 15m here and there to pull in basic stuff. (rather than thinking big picture). happy to give out commit bits if anyone wants to poke at things they like. 14:03
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FROGGS www.stephendiehl.com/llvm/ - Implementing a JIT Compiled Language with Haskell and LLVM 15:24
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TimToady -- for thinking "What about jvm and parrot?" and then promptly getting distracted 16:14
er, TimToady--
colomon TimToady++ # for being human 16:16
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TimToady well, for trying anyway :) 16:17
m: say unival('⅓').nude 16:18
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«1 3␤»
TimToady m: say unival('3').nude; # curious 16:19
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«No such method 'nude' for invocant of type 'Int'␤ in block at /tmp/hVbqhLpZGw:1␤␤»
TimToady I guess Rats aren't cool enough :)
m: say unival('⅓') 16:20
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.333333␤»
TimToady m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue')
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.33333333␤»
TimToady which gives the *appearance* of being more precise, but isn't
m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').round(15) 16:21
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0␤»
TimToady m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').Num.round(15)
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0␤»
TimToady hmm
pragma- too much gibberish in here
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.oO( too much pragma- in here )
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TimToady m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').WHAT 16:22
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
moritz m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').perl
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«"0.33333333"␤»
TimToady Str I expected, not .Num-ing I didn't 16:23
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moritz m: say "0.33333333".Num 16:23
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.33333333␤»
TimToady maybe it's really a moar string 16:24
m: say +uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue')
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.33333333␤»
TimToady that works
m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').Numeric.WHAT 16:25
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TimToady m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').Num.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«(Num)␤»
TimToady m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').Numeric
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.33333333␤»
TimToady m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').Num
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.33333333␤»
TimToady say what?
oh, duh 16:26
.round was wrong
m: say uniprop('⅓', 'NumericValue').Num.round(0.1 ** 15)
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.33333333␤»
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TimToady m: say unival('⅓').Num.round(0.1 ** 15) 16:26
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.333333333333333␤»
TimToady m: say unival('⅓').Num.round(0.1 ** 20)
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«-0.0922337203685478␤»
TimToady ^^^ there's a bug
m: say unival('⅓').round(0.1 ** 20) 16:27
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«-0.0922337203685478␤»
TimToady same bug for Rat, apparently
masak m: say (1/3).round(0.1 ** 20) 16:29
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«-0.0922337203685478␤»
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colomon :\ 16:36
r: say (1/3).round(0.1 ** 20)
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a: OUTPUT«0.333333333333333␤»
..rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«-0.0922337203685478␤»
..rakudo-jvm f2471a: OUTPUT«0.3333333333333333␤»
TimToady I note the others are capped at 15 16:37
r: say (0.1 ** 20).WAHT
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«No such method 'WAHT' for invocant of type 'Num'␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
TimToady r: say (0.1 ** 20).WHAT
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«(Num)␤»
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TimToady hmm 16:37
that I didn't expect
r: say (10 ** -20).WHAT 16:38
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«(Num)␤»
TimToady n: say (0.1 ** 20).WHAT
camelia niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Num()␤»
TimToady n: say (1 / 10 ** 20).WHAT
camelia niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Num()␤»
TimToady oh, wait 16:39
colomon r: say (3333333333333333333/100000000000000000000).perl
camelia rakudo-jvm f2471a: OUTPUT«0.03333333333333333e0␤»
..rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.0333333333333333e0␤»
colomon r: say (3333333333333333333/100000000000000000000).WHAT
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«(Num)␤»
TimToady say 2 ** 64
r: say 2 ** 64
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«18446744073709551616␤»
TimToady r: say (2 ** 64).chars
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TimToady r: say (0.1 ** 19).WHAT 16:40
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«(Rat)␤»
TimToady that's the issue
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TimToady well, one of 'em 16:41
m: (^0x110000).pick.&uniname 16:42
camelia ( no output )
TimToady m: (^0x110000).pick.&uniname.say
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«<unassigned>␤»
TimToady well, duh
m: (^0x30000).pick.&uniname.say 16:43
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«<unassigned>␤»
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TimToady m: (^0x30000).pick.&uniname(10)».say 16:43
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«*␤»
TimToady bleh
m: (^0x30000).pick(10).&uniname».say
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camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«*␤» 16:43
TimToady m: (^0x30000).pick(10)».&uniname».say
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«<Private Use>␤<CJK Ideograph Extension B>␤<CJK Ideograph Extension B>␤HEAVY RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET ORNAMENT␤<unassigned>␤<CJK Ideograph Extension A>␤<unassigned>␤<unassigned>␤<CJK Ideograph Extension B>␤GREEK DASIA AND PERISPOMENI␤»
TimToady there we go, and I'll quit spamming for at least 30 seconds, lest people take me out and shoot me for designing Camelia :) 16:44
TimToady apologizes (slightly) for the manic phase into which his pneumonia drugs have (apparently) propelled him... :) 16:46
skids
.oO(uninames would make good anime power callouts)
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skids
.oO(I guess those are called "kiai")
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TimToady 気合 scream; yell; fighting spirit 16:51
skids All I know is I wouldn't want to be hit in the head by a HEAVY RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET ORNAMENT. 16:52
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rindolf TimToady: I'm sorry to hear you had pneumonia. 17:01
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[Coke] news.perlfoundation.org/2014/03/out...n-201.html - anyone have some intern ideas for six? 17:26
masak TimToady: I look at that and see "steam proper". 17:28
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TimToady well, yeah, in japanese the first has been metaphoricalized from "vapor" to "spirit"; see "spirits of ammonia" and such in English, and relationship of breath to spirit or soul in hebrew or greek 17:31
and the second one is more generally "fits", which in chinese tends to mean "is considered fitting" :)
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TimToady but you can think of it as "proper spirit yell" or some such 17:32
something fitting for the occasion
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[Coke] spirit yell sounds like what we used to do before a show - every cast/crew hold hands, start with a low note, raising pitch and volume, ending in a scream. 17:35
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FROGGS is eager to see an update to perl6_pass_rates.csv 18:35
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timotimo is that because of parrot snapping back to the values it should have or did moar get something cool while i wasn't looking? 18:40
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[Coke] FROGGS: thanks for the reminder; the one shot run went ok, now trying it via cron. 18:42
FROGGS I dunno about moar, that is kinda the point
\o/
[Coke]++
timotimo: and yeah, I hope that parrot is clean atm
timotimo heh.
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timotimo i'm kind of annoyed that the spectest pass rate is so excellent, but there are bugs that are not showing up there that cause it to be kind of unusable for module installation 18:43
FROGGS t/spec/S10-packages/basic.rakudo.moar (Wstat: 256 Tests: 0 Failed: 0) 18:44
Non-zero exit status: 1
Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output
perhaps it is a related issue?
I was about to look at it
ohh dear, it does work when I invoke it directly :/ 18:45
timotimo sounds like a good candidate >_>
[Coke] ok, it's running.
FROGGS cool! 18:46
[Coke] LHF: find a test that says "nom regression", open a rakudobug for it, then update the test to refer to the RT #.
LHF: /home/coke/sandbox/perl6-roast-data/Pugs.hs/t/spec/fudge: No such test file 't/spec/S05-metasyntax/prior.t' 18:47
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FROGGS 66 hits for "nom regression" if I did it right 18:50
(in roast)
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FROGGS btw, I bet that quite a high percentage of the failing tests in moar are fudged for jvm 18:57
like test eight of t/spec/S06-macros/quasi-blocks.t
fails on moar, fudged for jvm
timotimo so moar would have an even higher percentage? ;) 18:58
FROGGS yes
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FROGGS /home/froggs/dev/rakudo/t/spec/S04-phasers/enter-leave.t:193:#?rakudo.jvm skip 'unwind' 18:58
/home/froggs/dev/rakudo/t/spec/S04-phasers/pre-post.t:161:#?rakudo.jvm skip "POST and exceptions"
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FROGGS the same here, this fails on moar 18:59
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pmichaud good afternoon, #perl6 18:59
FROGGS so it is not really backend specific
hi pmichaud
timotimo pmichaud o/
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FROGGS p: my $c = 0; macro donner { quasi { ++$c } }; say donner; say donner; say $c 19:03
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a: OUTPUT«1␤2␤0␤»
FROGGS is that expected?
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TimToady all of the backends have been failing those 19:08
FROGGS r: my $c = 0; macro donner { quasi { ++$c } }; say donner; say donner; say $c
[Coke] percentage is based on passing tests, so failing vs. skipped doesn't matter.
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a: OUTPUT«1␤2␤0␤»
..rakudo-jvm f2471a: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in sub prefix:<++> at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:1782␤ in sub prefix:<++> at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:1780␤ in any at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
..rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«No such method 'STORE' for invocant of type 'Mu'␤ in sub prefix:<++> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:1782␤ in sub prefix:<++> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:1780␤ in any at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
FROGGS [Coke]: but it matters when we abort a test file on moar, where jvm skips a single test and continues 19:09
[Coke] ah, yes, abort is worse than simple failure.
FROGGS but I'd like to see these tests fixed instead of skipped of course :o)
[Coke] this new testing box seems much slower.
FROGGS :/
[Coke] Still on niecza.
pugs is completely hosed now (though I can probably get it back to the 20% rate it enjoyed on host06) 19:10
TimToady we'd probably have better luck writing a Haskell backend for rakudo these days :) 19:11
FROGGS but I hope we don't have to do that ó.ò
three and one in the queue is enough I'd say
[Coke] I wouldn't call JS in the queue. 19:12
FROGGS why not?
[Coke] it has no champion at the moment, yes?
if no one is committed to working on it, it's dead.
FROGGS ohh, he is going to work on it I think 19:13
otherwise he should hand it over to us
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masak pmichaud! \o/ 19:16
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masak FROGGS: no, that macro/quasi/1,2,0 thing is a bug, as far as I'm concerned. 19:24
FROGGS: it's related to strangelyconsistent.org/blog/lexpad...eed-fixups
[Coke] anyone looking into the java eval server failures that force the daily run to be done without?
FROGGS k
masak: I guess it is not an easy fix? 19:25
[Coke]: I'm not
masak FROGGS: I might be wrong, but it *used* to work.
FROGGS: don't know what broke it, or when.
FROGGS masak: years ago I suppose? 19:26
star: my $c = 0; macro donner { quasi { ++$c } }; say donner; say donner; say $c
camelia star 2013-09: OUTPUT«1␤2␤0␤»
masak FROGGS: a year ago, I'd say. 19:28
FROGGS k
masak but I may be wrong on this.
FROGGS that is a starting point :o)
timotimo so, if i had a gui system, or something that uses callbacks a lot 19:30
python would allow you to write things like "callback=self.the_shiny_callback"
segomos masak: that method foo { method bar { } } thing is throwing me off 19:31
timotimo in perl6 we'd have to write something more like callback => { self.the_shiny_callback; }, don't we?
FROGGS timotimo: can't you pass it around using an & sigil?
masak FROGGS: yes, I'm wrong. there's an open ticket for this: rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=120928 -- linked from that post.
segomos: why? 19:32
FROGGS masak: thanks!
masak segomos: (genuinely curious)
timotimo FROGGS: not methods 19:33
the trick with python is that when you write self.the_shiny_callback, you get a "bound method" back
which is kind of like a closure in disguise
segomos masak: it just looks like doing C.bar should be a syntax error, i know that it isn't, i'm just drawn to it 19:34
timotimo to be exact, it's a closure that closes over exactly "self" and delegates any arguments you give to it to the method on that method invoked on that closed-over self
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timotimo i was about to complain, that p6's way is more wordy, but it's actually much clearer what's going on 19:34
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masak segomos: you can declare a method inside a class. that is all. :) 19:36
timotimo: Python's way of doing it is definitely a local minimum. it has "user simplicity" going for it. Perl 6's way is more "honest". 19:38
timotimo i think the increased amount of "honesty" makes perl 6 a kind of nicer language to be taught to complete beginners 19:40
but i'd have to try that to verify it.
FROGGS masak: that is an awesome post! 19:41
but I think "outselves" is a typo :o) 19:42
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timotimo maybe masak has just outselved himself once again? :) 19:44
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FROGGS masak: I think "this kind of fixup" as you say in the post already is in place for macros 19:47
at least I see something like that in the actions and world
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masak yeah. 19:53
FROGGS: thanks for typo spotting -- fixing.
moritz upgrades feather{1,2,3} and host07 to get rid of the gnutls bug 19:56
vendethiel wat wat wat 20:01
wait
r: class C { method a { say "a"; method b { say "b"; } } }; C.new.b 20:02
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«b␤»
vendethiel wtf
masak vendethiel: :)
vendethiel That's *really, really, really* surprising IMHO
I actually discovered that from (I think) masak's post ? (lexpads and why roles need fixups)
masak we were surprised too, first time we discovered it.
FROGGS a method declaration just looks up the out class, and installs itself in there
masak but really, it falls out of how classes and method declarations work. 20:03
FROGGS outer*
vendethiel well, I really don't think it should even allow that. What sense does it make ?
moritz r: class A { if True { method a { 'a' } } else { method b { 'b' } } }; say A.a; say A.b
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«a␤b␤»
FROGGS moritz: nice try :o) 20:04
masak vendethiel: that's generally not the question Perl people ask... :)
moritz: BEGIN time vs runtime.
jnthn Turns out it's a lot more effort to forbid it than allow it :)
moritz masak: I know :-)
vendethiel masak: I ask it though ;). can't you just refuse to parse `method`s inside a non-{class,role}?
FROGGS yay! I will have a rakudo 2013.01 in a few minutes :o)
masak vendethiel: you can't really TIMTOWTDI if you run around shouting "but what's the *use*!?"
vendethiel masak: no, far from that. But really, at first, I thought the code exampled messed up its { and } 20:05
masak vendethiel: you write a module that refuses to parse it. everyone wins.
moritz vendethiel: there was a time when we wouldn't allow product of two Duration objects
vendethiel masak: would people be okay about that ?
moritz vendethiel: because we couldn't think of a use case
vendethiel moritz: (not sure what Duration objects are) 20:06
moritz vendethiel: time spans
masak typos fixed -- strangelyconsistent.org/blog/lexpad...eed-fixups brought to you by Rakudo-on-Moar!
moritz vendethiel: until masak++ wanted to calculate standard deviations of Durations
FROGGS yay! :o)
masak vendethiel: we would. all is fair if you predeclare.
vendethiel: my point is, we don't go around forbidding things just because we can't see the use. we're not Python devs. 20:07
vendethiel masak: if you predeclare that methods can't be nested ?
masak vendethiel: as in 'use Modules::Strict;'
FROGGS masak: haha, I tell that one my PHP peeps :o)
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vendethiel has to do PHP for school and is really sad 20:07
(I need a JS-to-PHP to that I can compile anything to JS then back to PHP !)
masak: "strict mode" before 6.0.0 seems like a bad idea though ? 20:08
masak vendethiel: not at all. we're experimenting *now*. 20:09
vendethiel: though I'm sorry to report that language-modifying modules are Not Quite There yet :/ 20:10
vendethiel masak: that's cool, i'm Not Quite Perler either.
not yet, though.
moritz vendethiel++
FROGGS masak: 2013.01 is also borken, I am going further back in time now 20:11
vendethiel well, `method { method }` doesn't seem like a bug you should stumble upon unless you want to experiment
(or unless you messed up your }, I guess)
dalek p: f30b65f | larry++ | / (2 files):
add bool and match uniprop opcodes
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masak FROGGS++ 20:14
dalek p: d3849dc | larry++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
bump moar rev
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dalek kudo/nom: 02329b9 | larry++ | / (2 files):
update to use new opcodes and bump NQP rev
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TimToady hopes he did it all right this time 20:17
there should be an emoticon with crossed fingers
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TimToady I don't think the japanese have that gesture, so we don't have the emoji. :) 20:18
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FROGGS TimToady: it looks good I'd say :o) 20:18
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[Coke] daily run up to S03 in parrot 20:19
TimToady .n 😅
well now
m: say '😅'.&uniname 20:20
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND COLD SWEAT␤»
TimToady almost don't need a unicode bot anymore :)
FROGGS yeah :o)
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masak \o/ 20:21
[Coke] m: say '�'.uniname
camelia rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«No such method 'uniname' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in block at /tmp/UCktbOVktq:1␤␤»
moritz off-topic question: is there a way to configure less to act like cat if the input is small enough to fit into one screen?
FROGGS [Coke]: it is a sub
timotimo i like that.
[Coke] I see that now ,yes. :)
moritz there's less -F, but that just exits, it doesn't cat the file
masak moritz: Git behaves like that, but I don't know how it does it. 20:22
moritz: ...maybe ask on #git ? :)
geekosaur for less there's an option
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geekosaur (of course, there's only a billion of them) 20:22
[Coke] -F looks like it's supposed to work... 20:23
timotimo isn't -E right?
hm. well, almost.
jercos -E will die when the bottom is hit, -F looks more appropriate
moritz oh, I meant -E, not -F
timotimo oh? 20:24
ah!
it exits and clears the screen
that's annoying
moritz neither -E nor -F produce any output for me if the input is short
geekosaur odd
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[Coke] mmm. I've seen this working, I think there's another option to go along with -F... 20:25
jercos $ echo foo | less -F
foo
jercos shrugs
moritz oh
less -XF
geekosaur might see if -L makes it work for you 20:26
oh, yes, the deinit clears screen thing
moritz ok, thanks everybody, timotimo++ jercos++ geekosaur++ [Coke]++ masak++
timotimo yeah, -X
i just stumbled upon that
geekosaur which is more likely not clears screen but switches to/from alternate screen, which is something I often disable in the terminal
because it's obnoxious 20:27
timotimo aye, the alternate screen is an interesting concept
it has the whole DWIM + WAT thing going on 20:28
FROGGS DO WAT I MEAN 20:29
moritz FROGGS++
timotimo :D
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moritz oh, now I understand why nothing remains in the terminal after less has terminated 20:29
lue Ah, is the alternate screen the thing where I exit out of vi or whatever and I get to see all the previous terminal output there? 20:30
geekosaur yep
it has its place, sadly there is no way to specify which programs use it 20:31
lue It's weird how so many things I found searching for "alternate screen" tell you how to get rid of it. I get annoyed when I have to use the bare linux console and it doesn't do that.
geekosaur depending on the terminal description (termcap/terminfo stuff) in use, it may activate on all programs that use cursor addressing or programs that use insert/delete commands 20:32
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[Coke] bottom of today's moar run: 20:36
gist.github.com/coke/9355089
only 20 aborted tests in rakudo.moar 20:37
FROGGS so we are down to 57 fails (from 71), nice!! 20:39
timotimo aborted?
as in return value != 0?
FROGGS like in S06-macros/unquoting.t aborted 10 test(s
[Coke] TimToady: S32-str/tclc.t 3 - tclc and German sharp s 20:40
that test is suspect and I think we should fix it or kill it.
timotimo: aborted = teh test file crashed and we didn't try to run the remaining tests you declared.
timotimo ah
[Coke] usually a syntax that isn't supported or an unhandled exception.
timotimo why didn't you try to run the tests i declared? :(
FROGGS :o( 20:41
FROGGS cries too
lue r: say "ßß".tclc
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«ßß␤»
lue Doesn't even do anything; it's supposed to come out as ẞß of course. 20:42
timotimo at least the insanity of "ss" is gone
... or is it?
[Coke] the test is expecting 'Ssß'
which might work if it was mid-word 20:43
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lue wishes Unicode would make everything easier by setting the uc mapping of ß to ẞ 20:43
timotimo aye
FROGGS +1
lue Can't recall if that's against the stability policy though; worst case, they have to make new codepoints for ß and ẞ 20:44
moritz and then have two ß characters that have different case mappings? NOOOOO
n: say 'ß'.uc, 'ß'.tc, 'ß'.tclc 20:45
camelia niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«ßSsSs␤»
moritz p6: say 'ß'.uc, 'ß'.tc, 'ß'.tclc
camelia rakudo-jvm f2471a: OUTPUT«SSSSß␤»
..rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«ßßß␤»
..niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«ßSsSs␤»
timotimo SSsssssssssssss
NO LOL
FROGGS all are rong
lue timotimo: for the record, the tc mapping of ß *is* Ss 20:46
moritz 4 implementations, 3 answers, all wrong
lue: but 'ß'.uc is supposed to be 'SS'
FROGGS either SS or ẞ
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lue www.unicode.org/policies/stability_...l#Identity <-- I wouldn't say changing ß.uc to ẞ counts as changing the identity, does it? 20:47
FROGGS lue: corret
lue: if you would change the meaning of ß, but that is not the plan
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lue feels ß->ss and ẞ->SS should be left to the NFK* forms. 20:49
ooc, just how many Germans are here right now? There's me, FROGGS, timotimo, and moritz, right? :) 20:50
TimToady is part German...
timotimo oh, i didn't know you were german
geekosaur is also part German... bery part
TimToady well, depends on how you count, of course
geekosaur *very part, bad typun
[Coke] I have a german born contractor here who is supposedly fluent, I could drag him in.
FROGGS I bet quite a few from U.S. and A are part german :o) 20:51
lue timotimo: Well, half-German, but still :)
timotimo fair enough :)
lue (don't expect me to start speaking fluent German here though; need a lot of practice (and vocabulary) first)
timotimo hoelzro has an umlaut in his name, you may count that as german, too :P
moritz submits ß case-folding rakudobug
skids isn't even germane most of the time, forget German.
TimToady Ich bin nicht ein Berliner.
FROGGS lue: Sqirrel is also german :o) 20:52
timotimo but germans can't say squirrel!
FROGGS hehe
moritz eichhörnchen! 20:53
lue TimToady: Ich bin nicht ein Berliner; ich bin ein Sachse!
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FROGGS [Sno] is german too 20:54
timotimo ah yes, [Sno] :)
timotimo waves
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FROGGS and the british people are from saxonia anyway :P 20:55
so BinGOs++ is also german, period.
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[Sno] waves back and goes to sleep 20:57
FROGGS that reminds me of the ancestry research I did years ago... that was nice
sleep well [Sno]
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grondilu noticed the 99.83% 20:58
(on github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/b..._rates.csv that is)
BinGOs FROGGS: eh?
lue Hrm. The "Case Pair Stability" section at the bottom took away plenty of my hope. www.unicode.org/policies/stability_...#Case_Pair
FROGGS yes, TimToady++ fixed a lot of unicode issues
TimToady quick, add a bunch of tests for unicode props :D
FROGGS BinGOs: not that important :o)
vendethiel rakudo jvm 100% oO ?
BinGOs FROGGS: I am celt, not anglo-saxon.
FROGGS ohh 20:59
my bad
BinGOs from Welshland
grondilu vendethiel: the percentage are relative to the maximum. Since this maximum is obtained for jvm, jvm gets 100%
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vendethiel grondilu: 5 failures, 610 todo, 1k5 skips 21:00
alright :p
FROGGS ummm, now I want to be on that said Island :/
grondilu the number that count is the "pass" I guess
itz2 "Taffy Was A Welshman, Taffy Was a Thief "
lue Seems like we ain't getting ß.uc -> ẞ unless we add at least one new, otherwise-redundant character :/ . 21:01
FROGGS hehe
grondilu r: printf "%.2f%%", 28931/ 28979
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.00%»
pippo o/ #perl6
moritz \o pippo
FROGGS when BinGOs was a thief he would probably steal electric power to have even more smokers :o)
geekosaur did you want a *100 in there?
timotimo probably 21:02
FROGGS o\ pippo
geekosaur r: printf "%.2f%", 28931 * 100 / 28979
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«'.2f%' is not valid in sprintf format sequence '%.2f%'␤␤»
pippo anybody could help me? Moar from latest git does no more compile. :-(
geekosaur oh futz
r: printf "%.2f%%", 28931 * 100 / 28979
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«99.83%»
geekosaur no cookies for you, xchat...
pippo Here is the error log: nopaste.info/96f407d25c.html
[Coke] pippo: what error are you getting?
danke
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vendethiel and 21:03
[Coke] pippo: did you update and reconfigure, or update and just make?
moritz looks like moar compiled just fine
that's NQP failling
vendethiel r: printf "%.2f%%", 28979 * 100 / 28979+5+610+1505
moritz tries
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«2220.00%»
moritz vendethiel: precedence
vendethiel r: printf "%.2f%%", 28979 * 100 / (28979+5+610+1505)
yeah
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«93.18%» 21:04
pippo I have update and recompiled. Then erased everything then recompiled. No way!
vendethiel so rakudo.jvm passes 93.18% of perl6 specs
moritz also tries
nobody knows the actual number of tests in roast.
pippo: did you also clean up the install directory? 21:05
timotimo vendethiel: that's more than i was expecting
vendethiel: but a lot of spec tests are not yet written ;)
pippo moritz: yes. It was a subdir of rakudo. So it went erased when I nuked everything. 21:06
grondilu r: printf "%.2f", .09
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.09»
[Coke] my german guy says: "I always thought that ẞ was case insensitive"
grondilu r: printf "%.2f", 9 / 10
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.90»
timotimo vendethiel: and pieces of the specs are not yet final anyway; things like S11 and lue's shiny new unicode specs for example
masak [Coke]: it definitely should have been!
timotimo and the list and iterators overhaul
[Coke] daily run now building r-j
FROGGS [Coke]: no, but for a long time there was no uppercase version of ß 21:07
lue I wonder if the Identity Stability policy or the Case Pair policy would win in an argument for ß.uc -> ẞ
grondilu r: printf "%.2f", 28931/ 28979
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.00»
grondilu r: printf "%.2f", 2891/ 2897 21:08
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.00»
grondilu wth
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lue (also, there's the issue of losing linguistic info by converting to "SS") 21:08
grondilu r: printf "%.2f", 289/ 289
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«1.00»
grondilu r: printf "%.2f", 288/ 289
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.00»
FROGGS masak: about the macros... bisecting did not help, I went back 2011.12 and either it still printed 1,2,0 or did not build
grondilu r: printf "%.2f", 27/ 29
FROGGS masak: so I am going to debug HEAD
camelia rakudo-parrot f2471a, rakudo-jvm f2471a, rakudo-moar f2471a: OUTPUT«0.93»
masak FROGGS: ok. 21:10
FROGGS: then it probably never worked.
FROGGS: thanks for the detective work. FROGGS++
FROGGS I hope I can gain some knowledge about that though 21:11
[Coke] gist.github.com/coke/9355722 - parrot log today
segomos masak: it's the method { method { } } thing that looks funny to me :-) 21:12
nested methods
timotimo oh, parrot is almost clean!
very good 21:13
S26 is documentation, no?
interesting
lue timotimo: it is for docs, yes
timotimo probably just a little difference between current implementation and current tests 21:14
masak segomos: sure, I understand that. 21:16
segomos: my point is that *distaste* is not a strong enough reason to forbid something.
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timotimo hm, i think i'm not getting the reference 21:16
is that about the "macros need fixups" blog post? 21:17
segomos masak: of course
it's not even a distaste, just a fixation
masak segomos: it happens ;) 21:18
lue wonders where/how he files a property change to the Unicode consortium.
[Coke] masak: twitter.com/DannyTanner/status/331...7338493953 # pretty sure that's not the original, but I'm lazy 21:19
FROGGS lue: www.unicode.org/pending/proposals.html
lue FROGGS: that's for new characters, AFAIK, not for proposing changes to characters (could've mis-skimmed though) 21:21
masak [Coke]: weakly autopunnish, yes.
[Coke]: though I can't verify the actual claim. it seems to be related to the verb "to sling". 21:22
FROGGS lue: this? www.unicode.org/pending/properties.html 21:24
lue Hey, this looks like the avenue I need to go down: www.unicode.org/review/pri251/ 21:27
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lue Can't install URI (and thus Pod::To::HTML) through Moar: t/01.t ................... 2/47 Cannot invoke null object 21:46
FROGGS lue: known
RT #121298 21:47
synopsebot Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=121298
lue good article for fellow ẞ lovers :) opentype.info/blog/2011/01/24/capital-sharp-s/ 21:53
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masak .oO( I don't write capital S often, but when I do, I write it sharp ) 21:59
lue: interesting article. I skimmed it. will read it careful...lier later. 22:01
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lue masak: most interesting thing I learned is that the ß.uc → SS thing was only ever meant to be an interim solution, because typsetters apparently couldn't agree on what the capital would look like :) 22:02
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masak lue: :) 22:06
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FROGGS lue: nice article! 22:07
masak well, it's been good talking to y'all.
'night, #perl6
FROGGS gnight masak
lue ♞ mäsak o/ 22:08
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TimToady for a second there, I thought someone had snuck a Prolog engine into Perl 6: 22:14
m: say '⅓'.&uniprop 22:15
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«No␤»
TimToady m: say '⅓'.&unimatch('No')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady m: say '⅓'.&unimatch('Nd')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«False␤»
FROGGS No is numeric other? 22:16
but anyway, getting "No" as a response of a compiler to &say something is kinda funny :o) 22:17
from a*
[Coke] m: say unipoo('a'); 22:20
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/eRJLLrgr02␤Undeclared routine:␤ unipoo used at line 1. Did you mean '&uniprop', '&unibool'?␤␤»
lue I'd suggest that 'uni' can be shortened to 'u' in these sub names, but ambiguity issues come up with uname ... :) 22:21
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rurban_ lue: well most typesetters use the lowercase 􏿽xDF for the uppercase version. 22:25
lue m: say '⅓'.&uniprop('Numeric_Value')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«0.33333333␤»
lue rurban_: and that's incredibly sick and wrong :) 22:26
[article from same guy as the last one: opentype.info/blog/2013/11/18/capit...n-review/]
lue afk
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TimToady r: say .chr, :16(.&uniprop("BidiMirroringGlyph")//next).chr when .&unimatch("BidiMirrored") for 0..0xffff; 22:43
camelia rakudo-jvm 02329b: OUTPUT«(timeout)» 22:44
..rakudo-parrot 02329b: OUTPUT«unimatch NYI on parrot backend␤ in sub unimatch at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:6760␤ in sub unimatch at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:6760␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
..rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(timeout)()␤)(␤<>␤><␤[]␤][␤{}␤}{␤«»␤»«␤༺༻␤༻༺␤༼༽␤༽༼␤᚛᚜␤᚜᚛␤‹›␤›‹␤⁅⁆␤⁆⁅␤⁽⁾␤⁾⁽␤₍₎␤₎₍␤⅀)␤∁)␤∂)␤∃)␤∄)␤∈∋␤∉∌␤∊∍␤∋…»
TimToady hmm, some of them seem to think ) is the correct answer 22:45
timotimo oooh, i like the spelling .&foo for foo($_, ...) 22:46
TimToady m: say '∃'.uniprop("BidiMirroringGlyph")
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«No such method 'uniprop' for invocant of type 'Str'␤ in block at /tmp/HUVW977xlW:1␤␤»
TimToady m: say '∃'.&uniprop("BidiMirroringGlyph") 22:47
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«0029␤»
TimToady sucks if you leave out the & though
hmm, I wonder why it things right paren is the mirror there...
anyway, soon we oughta be able to generate the pairs for our parser automatically 22:48
timotimo hehe.
TimToady m: say "\c[COMET]".&uniprop("BidiMirroringGlyph")
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«0029␤»
TimToady aww
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timotimo ... wha? it's not snowman? 22:51
timotimo files a bug to the unicode consortium
lue timotimo: file your request here, so far as I can tell :) unicode.org/reporting.html 22:53
TimToady m: say "༼".&uniname
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«TIBETAN MARK ANG KHANG GYON␤»
timotimo TimToady: do you want to write the support to match against the name of unicode chars inside a regex with an embedded regex now? :) 22:54
lue TimToady: I assume unimatch only works on boolean properties?
timotimo seems likely
TimToady not sure
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TimToady currently it looks up the table using the same property value, you'd have to separate them 22:56
btyler well, doing my part to spread the culture...used "golf it down" in the context of a mozilla project bug report conversation and ended up sharing that phrase with a few confused devs :)
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timotimo ... that is not a common thing?! 22:57
btyler maybe it is generally, and just this batch of folks hadn't encountered it
TimToady m: my $table = nqp::unipropcode("BidiMirroringGlyph"), my $val = nqp::unipvalcode("0029"); say nqp:matchuniprop("(".ord, $table, $val) 22:58
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/fd79dMI2l8␤Undeclared routine:␤ nqp:matchuniprop("(".ord, $table, $val) used at line 1␤␤»
TimToady m: my $table = nqp::unipropcode("BidiMirroringGlyph"), my $val = nqp::unipvalcode("0029"); say nqp::matchuniprop("(".ord, $table, $val)
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«WARNINGS:␤Useless use of "," in expression "my $table = nqp::unipropcode(\"BidiMirroringGlyph\"), my $val = nqp::unipvalcode(\"0029\")" in sink context (line 1)␤===SORRY!===␤Error while compiling op unipvalcode: Arg count 1 doesn't equal required ope…»
TimToady m: my $table = nqp::unipropcode("BidiMirroringGlyph"); my $val = nqp::unipvalcode("0029"); say nqp::matchuniprop("(".ord, $table, $val) 22:59
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Error while compiling op unipvalcode: Arg count 1 doesn't equal required operand count 3 for op 'unipvalcode'␤»
TimToady m: my $table = nqp::unipropcode("BidiMirroringGlyph"); my $val = nqp::unipvalcode($table,"0029"); say nqp::matchuniprop("(".ord, $table, $val)
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«1␤»
TimToady it seems to say you can
m: my $table = nqp::unipropcode("BidiMirroringGlyph"); my $val = nqp::unipvalcode($table,"0029"); say nqp::matchuniprop("[".ord, $table, $val)
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«0␤»
lue r: say '('.&uniprop('BidiMirroring') 23:00
camelia rakudo-jvm 02329b: OUTPUT«uniprop NYI on jvm backend␤ in sub uniprop at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:6753␤ in sub uniprop at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:6753␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
..rakudo-parrot 02329b: OUTPUT«uniprop NYI on parrot backend␤ in sub uniprop at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:6757␤ in sub uniprop at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:6757␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
..rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«0␤»
TimToady yes, I just used it to match in the mirroring glyph table, but we don't expose that with unimatch() currently
lue m: say '('.&unibool('BidiMirroring')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
timotimo heh, oops.
lue doesn't look like unibool works atm 23:01
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timotimo well, that's not a property that'd have a boolean value, eh? 23:01
lue isn't too sure about a separate function for boolean values anyway
timotimo: oh, I thought it was.
FROGGS m: say "༼".&uniname # I am a bit surprised that this works 23:02
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«TIBETAN MARK ANG KHANG GYON␤»
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timotimo FROGGS: what's surprising about that? 23:02
FROGGS ahh wait
༼ makes the & look differently
(and the second quote) 23:03
༼&
TimToady you can only use unibool on 1-bit wide props
m: say '('.&unibool('BidiMirrored')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
TimToady hmm
lue TimToady: so it's a case of LTA error then :)
TimToady yeah...
m: say 'A'.&unibool('BidiMirrored') 23:04
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
TimToady m: say 'A'.&unibool('Common')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
lue m: say '('.&unibool('Bidi_Mirrored')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
lue TimToady: any particular reason you made a separate unibool apart from uniprop? 23:05
TimToady m: say 'A'.&unibool('Any')
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
TimToady well, uniprop is going to prefer the str output, which may be an enum 23:06
just seemed like a good thing to let it know exactly what you want on a low level
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lue TimToady: just asking because string and integer are combined in uniprop. (Instead of every form being separated) 23:08
TimToady we can expose those however we like 23:09
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TimToady m: my $table = nqp::unipropcode("Any"); say nqp::getuniprop_bool("[".ord, $table) 23:11
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
TimToady well, looks like a low-level bug, but it's not obvious offhand
oh, yes it is :) 23:12
Mouq o/ 23:13
TimToady++
Should the following work: 23:14
p6: say 112344 ~~ /(.)$0/
p6: say 112344 ~~ /(.)($0)/ #this one
timotimo o/ Mouq
camelia rakudo-parrot 02329b, rakudo-jvm 02329b, rakudo-moar 02329b, niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«｢11｣␤ 0 => ｢1｣␤␤» 23:15
niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1389 (warn @ 5) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 269 (Mu.Str @ 15) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /tmp/tmpfile line 0 (A…»
..rakudo-parrot 02329b, rakudo-jvm 02329b, rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
Mouq m: say 112344 ~~ /(.){}($0)/
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
lue m: say 'z'.&unival 23:24
camelia rakudo-moar 02329b: OUTPUT«NaN␤»
rjbs Postmodernism is dead. Perl is postmodern. Ergo...? -- www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine...thenticism 23:27
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Probably_Tadzik hey hey 23:32
my feather account seems to be... inactive? Or the password has been changed?
I can verify myself on github/email/whatever-necessary 23:33
timotimo i just found ⌀⊙⊖⊕ on my keyboard \o/ 23:36
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Mouq timotimo: It was a happy day indeed when I downloaded a keyboard mapper :) 23:40
timotimo well, i've got little stickers glued to my keys 23:41
i just never looked at all of the symbols on them
(for they are many)
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Mouq timotimo: Ahh :) 23:43
timotimo neo-layout.org ← truly a beauty
lue timotimo: too bad US keyboards don't have the extra keys for German layouts :( 23:44
timotimo huh?
lue en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:German-...y-2012.jpg vs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ANSI_Ke...Factor.svg 23:47
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pippo my perl6-m broke after git commit fc2a6e632efa06c8c6dc1fd1c5564d2e4ac17c03 23:48
timotimo oh, the terrible one-line-return-key
oh? the left key is extra wide, though?
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lue timotimo: on my specific keyboard, the |\ key is next to a shorter backspace, and I have a larger return as a result. But otherwise, that ANSI is my keyboard. 23:49
Yes, extra-wide shift key on the left, only 10 normal keys on the bottom row.
timotimo keyboards are weird, yo.
anyway, i'm off to bed
gnite!
lue Also one less key on the middle row (next to caps lock)
♞ timotimo o/
timotimo .o( i have not yet found that key on my keyboard ) 23:50
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lue s/next to/the row with/ 23:50
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Mouq night timotimo! 23:51
lue So I couldn't use a German keyboard layout if I wanted to; I'm missing two keys! :) 23:52
Mouq wants to get a www.typematrix.com/
pippo Sigh. Good night #perl6 23:53
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lue Mouq: I wish these keyboard were still made: www.quadibloc.com/comp/images/scadet.gif 23:56
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Mouq night pippo! I'm sorry, i missed that your perl6-m broke 23:59

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